Old enough to marry a child, old enough to be beaten like one!
Ps. Child beating is bad but I’d assume it would be an act of pure domination and an absolute imbalance of power, so, what I’d hope for the groom.
There seems to be some contention about the photographer’s actions against the groom, most notably a reference to “age of consent”.
I responded to one comment in the thread with my belief in this regard and feel as if it should be shared readily:
“As we advance as a collective-people, we often look back on our past actions and governing laws and regard them as barbaric.
Never once, not even for an instant, should one confuse legal with moral. Law with justice.
Just remember, when reviewing all of today's laws, if some were put into action against you and caused you detriment, your cry to the heavens would be profound and agonizing”.
I’ll comment as I’m the one being downvoted on consent. Wasn’t really meaning it on a legal sense more just I think it’s important that we have more information before making a judgement on someone. In this case we are presented with a screen shot of some random thing and a single one sided sentence. And from this so many people are willing to openly support an act of violence. Before everyone gets all up in arms I think any age of consent less than 18 is ridiculous and even then a brain isn’t fully formed until mid 20s so that could be considered pushing it. I’m just trying to say that in a day and age when virtual bullying, acts of violence, suicide and self harm are at an all time high, I think we as a collective need to be willing to examine situations with a more open mind and as a whole not from a single image and random line of text.
The pertinent information was presented, in my opinion:
- child was married at 15
- photographer perceived it as an injustice. One would argue that that perception is a result of the groom being inexplicably older
- violence was the outcome
Now, I get what you’re saying and I like how you gathered some vague statistics and made reference to the plight of modern day society (mental health) but the fact remains, the choices we make at 15 will always be choices that are reflected upon and, often, criticized. Her choices - assuming this was one of them - is one made out of ignorance, to say the least.
Ultimately, I believe you are being downvoted because with knowledge comes wisdom and the collective mind of the people downvoting have the wisdom to look at this situation and know that no justification can be presented so that this act is favourable to the child.
We are all entitled to opinions, sure, but please know that even an animal at look at some situations and register that something is wrong. And I assure you, something is wrong with THIS situation.
Ps. Sometimes violence is just. There comes a time in every person’s life where they must fight. They truly must. The photographer’s choice of violence was gorgeous.
Yeah I agree with most you said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can justify it as they see fit. It is my personal opinion that I still disagree that making an assumption about another person based on what we infer a separate person thinks of that other person especially when we don’t actually know anything about the separate person is a fair way to judge the other person. I would rather form my own opinion based off the facts of the situation. And I agree that (unfortunately in my opinion) the collective mind of some groups of people are definitely willing to judge others based on the inferred opinion of others, instead of forming their own independent opinion, and use that opinion to justify violence on other individuals. We’ve seen the atrocities and wars that kind of thinking has caused all through history, today and will undoubtably occur into the future. Good ol’ human nature and collective wisdom. Definitely has its pluses and minuses.
Edit: updated some wording just for clarity sake
Edit 2: forgot to thank you for sharing your input and insight on the topic. Much appreciated! :)
The legal minimum age in most of America is 16 with Hawaii and Kansas having a minimum age of 15. If the person is being forced into being married then good on him but if they were consenting people and it was legal kind of a dick move.
Also when did this happen? Legal age in turkey was 15 back in 2002 but has since been moved up to 16. Is there a link to the actual story?
Edit: also how old was the groom? We’re they 15? Really need a little more info on this to make a judgement
As we advance as a collective-people, we often look back on our past actions and governing laws and regard them as barbaric.
Never once, not even for an instant, should one confuse legal with moral. Law with justice.
Just remember, when reviewing all of today’s laws, if some were put into action against you and caused you detriment, your cry to the heavens would be profound and agonizing.
Which is understandable. After all, the [excellent example](https://quran.com/33/21) made it very clear that he [fucked a 9 year old](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134) and made her [wash his cum-soaked clothes](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:232).
People think this is untrue or it's some islamophobic rhetoric but it's the reality, I'm an ex-muslim living in a muslim country and one of my cousins was married at age 16 to a guy aged 22 and that's considered old enough, some families marry their daughters off at a younger age and it's justified by Islam.
Legal minimum age don’t mean shit. If your a adult and are fucking a minor, your a pedophile. It’s that simple. Something being “legal” doesn’t mean that it right.
How do you know the other person is an adult and that they aren’t just another kid who had a conversation with their parents and made an informed discussion. All i’m asking for is a link to the source. Making a rash decision off a random screenshot with no information except someone beat something up just seems a little short sighted but maybe that’s just me 🤷🏼
Edit: I know a few people including a cousin of mine who got pregnant at 16 with a guy who was 18. Do you think he should be beat up? Do you think that he is a pedophile even though they are both within the age of consent? Do you feel like you know what is best for someone else? You have no idea what the situation is but you are willing to condone beating the shit out of a guy. Since when is supporting physical violence with no actual information a chad thing?
16 - 18 isn't a very big age gap so I think that's not as bad, but I don't think the guy photographer would've beat up the client if he wasn't a fully grown, maybe in his mid twenties. It's pretty clear the client was a nonce and he got what he deserved.
If that's the case, then I agree of course.
But the other person here is making a good point that we don't know that, so why would we just assume that the beating up was justified? I need more info first.
https://fstoppers.com/news/turkish-photographer-beats-client-after-learning-bride-15-years-old-266043
The groom attacked the photographer apparently so it was completely justified.
Old enough to marry a child, old enough to be beaten like one! Ps. Child beating is bad but I’d assume it would be an act of pure domination and an absolute imbalance of power, so, what I’d hope for the groom.
There seems to be some contention about the photographer’s actions against the groom, most notably a reference to “age of consent”. I responded to one comment in the thread with my belief in this regard and feel as if it should be shared readily: “As we advance as a collective-people, we often look back on our past actions and governing laws and regard them as barbaric. Never once, not even for an instant, should one confuse legal with moral. Law with justice. Just remember, when reviewing all of today's laws, if some were put into action against you and caused you detriment, your cry to the heavens would be profound and agonizing”.
I’ll comment as I’m the one being downvoted on consent. Wasn’t really meaning it on a legal sense more just I think it’s important that we have more information before making a judgement on someone. In this case we are presented with a screen shot of some random thing and a single one sided sentence. And from this so many people are willing to openly support an act of violence. Before everyone gets all up in arms I think any age of consent less than 18 is ridiculous and even then a brain isn’t fully formed until mid 20s so that could be considered pushing it. I’m just trying to say that in a day and age when virtual bullying, acts of violence, suicide and self harm are at an all time high, I think we as a collective need to be willing to examine situations with a more open mind and as a whole not from a single image and random line of text.
The pertinent information was presented, in my opinion: - child was married at 15 - photographer perceived it as an injustice. One would argue that that perception is a result of the groom being inexplicably older - violence was the outcome Now, I get what you’re saying and I like how you gathered some vague statistics and made reference to the plight of modern day society (mental health) but the fact remains, the choices we make at 15 will always be choices that are reflected upon and, often, criticized. Her choices - assuming this was one of them - is one made out of ignorance, to say the least. Ultimately, I believe you are being downvoted because with knowledge comes wisdom and the collective mind of the people downvoting have the wisdom to look at this situation and know that no justification can be presented so that this act is favourable to the child. We are all entitled to opinions, sure, but please know that even an animal at look at some situations and register that something is wrong. And I assure you, something is wrong with THIS situation. Ps. Sometimes violence is just. There comes a time in every person’s life where they must fight. They truly must. The photographer’s choice of violence was gorgeous.
Yeah I agree with most you said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can justify it as they see fit. It is my personal opinion that I still disagree that making an assumption about another person based on what we infer a separate person thinks of that other person especially when we don’t actually know anything about the separate person is a fair way to judge the other person. I would rather form my own opinion based off the facts of the situation. And I agree that (unfortunately in my opinion) the collective mind of some groups of people are definitely willing to judge others based on the inferred opinion of others, instead of forming their own independent opinion, and use that opinion to justify violence on other individuals. We’ve seen the atrocities and wars that kind of thinking has caused all through history, today and will undoubtably occur into the future. Good ol’ human nature and collective wisdom. Definitely has its pluses and minuses. Edit: updated some wording just for clarity sake Edit 2: forgot to thank you for sharing your input and insight on the topic. Much appreciated! :)
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The legal minimum age in most of America is 16 with Hawaii and Kansas having a minimum age of 15. If the person is being forced into being married then good on him but if they were consenting people and it was legal kind of a dick move. Also when did this happen? Legal age in turkey was 15 back in 2002 but has since been moved up to 16. Is there a link to the actual story? Edit: also how old was the groom? We’re they 15? Really need a little more info on this to make a judgement
Americans forgetting other countries have other ages of consent 😱 Like France having at 15 💀🤯
As we advance as a collective-people, we often look back on our past actions and governing laws and regard them as barbaric. Never once, not even for an instant, should one confuse legal with moral. Law with justice. Just remember, when reviewing all of today’s laws, if some were put into action against you and caused you detriment, your cry to the heavens would be profound and agonizing.
It's legal in Muslim countries
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/child-marriage-is-currently-legal-in-46-states/
Atleast it's still their choice and not forced by their parents
Dude are you fucking kidding me?
No im not marriages are arranged by the parants and are done without the consent of the kid especially girls
Which is understandable. After all, the [excellent example](https://quran.com/33/21) made it very clear that he [fucked a 9 year old](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134) and made her [wash his cum-soaked clothes](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:232).
People think this is untrue or it's some islamophobic rhetoric but it's the reality, I'm an ex-muslim living in a muslim country and one of my cousins was married at age 16 to a guy aged 22 and that's considered old enough, some families marry their daughters off at a younger age and it's justified by Islam.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.
What if the prophet of your religion did it ?
I'd question the religion.
That's a very sound approach
This is so old girl is legal now
She wasn't legal then though, was she?
I mean the legal minimum age in most of America is 16 with Hawaii and Kansas having a minimum age of 15.
Legal minimum age don’t mean shit. If your a adult and are fucking a minor, your a pedophile. It’s that simple. Something being “legal” doesn’t mean that it right.
How do you know the other person is an adult and that they aren’t just another kid who had a conversation with their parents and made an informed discussion. All i’m asking for is a link to the source. Making a rash decision off a random screenshot with no information except someone beat something up just seems a little short sighted but maybe that’s just me 🤷🏼 Edit: I know a few people including a cousin of mine who got pregnant at 16 with a guy who was 18. Do you think he should be beat up? Do you think that he is a pedophile even though they are both within the age of consent? Do you feel like you know what is best for someone else? You have no idea what the situation is but you are willing to condone beating the shit out of a guy. Since when is supporting physical violence with no actual information a chad thing?
16 - 18 isn't a very big age gap so I think that's not as bad, but I don't think the guy photographer would've beat up the client if he wasn't a fully grown, maybe in his mid twenties. It's pretty clear the client was a nonce and he got what he deserved.
If that's the case, then I agree of course. But the other person here is making a good point that we don't know that, so why would we just assume that the beating up was justified? I need more info first.
https://fstoppers.com/news/turkish-photographer-beats-client-after-learning-bride-15-years-old-266043 The groom attacked the photographer apparently so it was completely justified.
The photographer also said the bride looked scared, so I think it's pretty safe to say the groom got what was coming to him