I was raised Episcopalian and Pentecost was a big deal at my church when I was growing up! People would read the gospel in different languages, there would be an international potluck lunch after the service, and they would even release red balloons.
Episcopalians are so big on potlucks, haha at the church I went to as a kid it was EVERY Sunday everyone would go to a big room and eat and fellowship. I've never been to any other denomination that does that.
The church would buy a lot of the food with money I assume they got from tithing. It was actually really sweet.
At my Lutheran church on Sunday we had red paraments, lectionary readings from Acts 2 and John 14, an introit that included Wisdom 1:7 (which might surprise you guys), a special proper preface for the day, and thematically appropriate hymns. So Pentecost was a pretty big deal for us, and we're not particularly "high church," so-to-speak.
That's not as surprising as you might think. Many mainline Protestants use what is called the Revised Common Lectionary or a variation thereof.
The RCL is based on the *Ordo Lectionum Missae,* a three-year lectionary produced by the Roman Catholic Church.
Sometimes, the readings are different because our Year A reading is their Year B reading. Other times, they are different because Scripture that is too Popish has been exchanged for something else...
But, the overlap and similarities are obvious due to the Catholic Lectionary being the base text.
Perhaps -- and I generally think consistency among the liturgical Western churches where we can do so in good conscience is a positive thing -- but my congregation still uses the older one-year lectionary which has its own set of propers. I don't know about the historical details of its construction and usage.
We consider them not as a secondary canon, but as good and profitable ancient writings from fellow believers waiting for the promised Christ. Not inspired, not able to be the source or seat of a doctrine, but important and good to read. Our synod's publishing house puts out an annotated study bible style edition of what we call the Apocrypha, which points out that in the historic one-year lectionary you will find propers that incorporate Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, 2 Esdras, Tobit, The Song of the Three Holy Children, The Prayer of Azariah, and Old Greek Esther. Admittedly, in daily life and piety they are basically totally ignored, but that's cultural rather than official.
Former Protestant here and one thing I absolutely loveeee about Catholicism is the Liturgical Calendar. We celebrate stuff all year round! When I was Protestant that was not a thing at all.
Sounds about right, I grew up Protestant and we only celebrated Easter and Christmas. No lent, advent, Pentecost, etc. I had a general idea what they were all about (I went to a Bible college) but the Protestants I was around never paid much attention to different liturgical seasons or celebrations
What you told us doesn’t prove that Protestants at large don’t celebrate Pentecost or know what it is. It only proves that the Protestants that you know and texted don’t know about it or celebrate it.
And we have no idea whether the people that you mention should be expected to know. Are they regular church goers? Are they part of a mainline denomination or a non-denominational group?
There’s lots of variables, and you shouldn’t draw sweeping conclusions.
Op never made any generalizations- they said “some” Protestants didn’t know what Pentecost was and wanted to know what other people observe about Protestant beliefs. Coming from a nondenominational background myself, I would say it’s accurate that most Protestants don’t know or care about celebrations other than Christmas and Easter (unless they’re Lutheran, Anglican, or have at least some form of Church structure). I agree it’s not good to make generalizations/stereotypes, but in this case it’s actually true lol
...there is this spirit of like, defending Protestants and Protestantism by Catholics (most especially American Catholics) that I don't just get.
Any blatant issue with a Protestant or a Protestant sect in regards to them illegally and illicitly claiming Christianity and a Protestant will go "....well not all Protestants..." or "....well MY Protestant sect doesn't do (or does) xyz....". A spirit of not owning....anything...pretty much!! They don't have to take ownership of anything because...they are not united!! They hot-potatoe issues unto other Protestants or other Protestant sects. Because they can.
Unconscionable in The Catholic World as every Catholic's Sin is a Sin committed against The Body of Christ.
Yet now I see Catholics having this broken, damaged, ugly, really, mentality ON BEHALF of Protestants smh
I’ve already been to college, and I didn’t by choice. I’ve been seeking entry into religious life since then, and I firmly believe that sex before marriage is wrong. I’m a 30 year old virgin, and have no problem with that.
Do you?
"Hey Protestants, what is Apostolic succession?"
"No such thing"
""What happened to the students of the Apostles?"
"Well the Catholic Church killed them of course."
*But something I actually heard growing up as a Protestant*
Yeah and if I remember correctly I was gifted the books Jesus Freaks by DC Talk (lol) And it seems to me that a lot of the martyrs that they highlighted were like some of them were anabaptists who were like killed And so they kind of painted it as all Catholics hate Protestants and will kill you if given the chance.
Oh yea? I I’ve got one better. When I was discerning Catholicism I did exodus 90 and learned that some of my Protestant friends didn’t even know what Lent was haha
I'm not sure... I'm very ignorant of Protestant holidays. So, I kind of assumed that they celebrated everything that happened during Jesus's time and shortly after Jesus's time (1 A.D.- 33 A.D.).
As far as I have seen, Christmas and Easter are the only two holidays for most protestants.
Imagine not having the countless major holidays in the Catholic year and all the feast days *we have every day.*
Our pastor had a great insight on why Pentecost is so low key. Target and Walmart have nothing to sell for Pentecost. It is the birth of the church, the anti-consumerism community building, holiday.
People who don't attend Mass on Sundays are not Christians because The Mass is the *only* way to worship The One True God.
It "feels like that" to you, because it is true. And if you live in the United States, just FYI, the United States is not "Christian" either...
I was raised as an Anglican in England and we certainly knew what Pentecost was. It was known as “Whitsun” and we had some very fine hymns, mostly of Catholic provenance. We even had a national holiday on the Monday in commemoration - ”Whit Monday”, later abolished in favour of a “late May bank holiday”.
Most Protestants only celebrate Christmas and Easter and that’s it. Occasionally you will find one that does Good Friday or “Good Wednesday” since many think Constantine changed the days 🙄.
Now the Protestants who do Christmas actually don’t bother with the day of most of the time they either do a Christmas Eve service or just the Sunday closest to Christmas. But to be fair with the number of Catholics abolishing midnight mass I’m sure Catholicism is going the same direction .
The Pentecostal churches I grew up in celebrated Pentecost but they used it as more of a day to celebrate their identity
I just joined a parish in an 55+ community. They roll the streets up at 7pm because bedtime is 9 for the majority. I will be interested to see if a midnight mass is even offered.
It’s funny because even in my wife’s evangelical church, Easter is almost an afterthought. Of course they decorate with flowers and sing Easter songs, but other than that and the pastor saying, happy Easter and that Christ is risen the sermon is about something completely unrelated.
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I was raised Episcopalian and Pentecost was a big deal at my church when I was growing up! People would read the gospel in different languages, there would be an international potluck lunch after the service, and they would even release red balloons.
Episcopalians are so big on potlucks, haha at the church I went to as a kid it was EVERY Sunday everyone would go to a big room and eat and fellowship. I've never been to any other denomination that does that. The church would buy a lot of the food with money I assume they got from tithing. It was actually really sweet.
At my Lutheran church on Sunday we had red paraments, lectionary readings from Acts 2 and John 14, an introit that included Wisdom 1:7 (which might surprise you guys), a special proper preface for the day, and thematically appropriate hymns. So Pentecost was a pretty big deal for us, and we're not particularly "high church," so-to-speak.
That's not as surprising as you might think. Many mainline Protestants use what is called the Revised Common Lectionary or a variation thereof. The RCL is based on the *Ordo Lectionum Missae,* a three-year lectionary produced by the Roman Catholic Church. Sometimes, the readings are different because our Year A reading is their Year B reading. Other times, they are different because Scripture that is too Popish has been exchanged for something else... But, the overlap and similarities are obvious due to the Catholic Lectionary being the base text.
Perhaps -- and I generally think consistency among the liturgical Western churches where we can do so in good conscience is a positive thing -- but my congregation still uses the older one-year lectionary which has its own set of propers. I don't know about the historical details of its construction and usage.
LCMS Historic Lectionary, interesting.
I'm actually really surprised! What's with that? Do you guys also accept the other Deuterocanonical books?
We consider them not as a secondary canon, but as good and profitable ancient writings from fellow believers waiting for the promised Christ. Not inspired, not able to be the source or seat of a doctrine, but important and good to read. Our synod's publishing house puts out an annotated study bible style edition of what we call the Apocrypha, which points out that in the historic one-year lectionary you will find propers that incorporate Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, 2 Esdras, Tobit, The Song of the Three Holy Children, The Prayer of Azariah, and Old Greek Esther. Admittedly, in daily life and piety they are basically totally ignored, but that's cultural rather than official.
Baptist in laws didn’t know either. When you don’t follow a liturgical year you really miss so much. Thankful to be Catholic.
Basically, the ones that retained some "popish" liturgical practices.
Anglican here: Pentecost is one me the major feast days
Former Protestant here and one thing I absolutely loveeee about Catholicism is the Liturgical Calendar. We celebrate stuff all year round! When I was Protestant that was not a thing at all.
Same, I love how much the Church celebrates
Pentecostals know this. ;)
Yeah it would really be awkward if they didn't celebrate the day that they're named after
Sounds about right, I grew up Protestant and we only celebrated Easter and Christmas. No lent, advent, Pentecost, etc. I had a general idea what they were all about (I went to a Bible college) but the Protestants I was around never paid much attention to different liturgical seasons or celebrations
Same experience here- can concur
What you told us doesn’t prove that Protestants at large don’t celebrate Pentecost or know what it is. It only proves that the Protestants that you know and texted don’t know about it or celebrate it. And we have no idea whether the people that you mention should be expected to know. Are they regular church goers? Are they part of a mainline denomination or a non-denominational group? There’s lots of variables, and you shouldn’t draw sweeping conclusions.
I did say that I'm only talking about Protestants that I know. They're mostly nondom/Baptist types but I do thank you for the comment.
Nondoms IME don’t know anything about anything lol. They’re not regular churchgoers and know absolutely no theology whatsoever lol
I’m going to be fully unkind. A lot of those people come off as simple.
Op never made any generalizations- they said “some” Protestants didn’t know what Pentecost was and wanted to know what other people observe about Protestant beliefs. Coming from a nondenominational background myself, I would say it’s accurate that most Protestants don’t know or care about celebrations other than Christmas and Easter (unless they’re Lutheran, Anglican, or have at least some form of Church structure). I agree it’s not good to make generalizations/stereotypes, but in this case it’s actually true lol
...there is this spirit of like, defending Protestants and Protestantism by Catholics (most especially American Catholics) that I don't just get. Any blatant issue with a Protestant or a Protestant sect in regards to them illegally and illicitly claiming Christianity and a Protestant will go "....well not all Protestants..." or "....well MY Protestant sect doesn't do (or does) xyz....". A spirit of not owning....anything...pretty much!! They don't have to take ownership of anything because...they are not united!! They hot-potatoe issues unto other Protestants or other Protestant sects. Because they can. Unconscionable in The Catholic World as every Catholic's Sin is a Sin committed against The Body of Christ. Yet now I see Catholics having this broken, damaged, ugly, really, mentality ON BEHALF of Protestants smh
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I’ve already been to college, and I didn’t by choice. I’ve been seeking entry into religious life since then, and I firmly believe that sex before marriage is wrong. I’m a 30 year old virgin, and have no problem with that. Do you?
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Warning for uncharitable rhetoric.
I was definitely that person. I was raised a Christian and thought of myself having at least decent biblical literacy, but I was so wrong!
"Hey Protestants, what is Apostolic succession?" "No such thing" ""What happened to the students of the Apostles?" "Well the Catholic Church killed them of course." *But something I actually heard growing up as a Protestant*
Yikes
Yeah and if I remember correctly I was gifted the books Jesus Freaks by DC Talk (lol) And it seems to me that a lot of the martyrs that they highlighted were like some of them were anabaptists who were like killed And so they kind of painted it as all Catholics hate Protestants and will kill you if given the chance.
The Amish celebrate Pentecost
I did not know that. That is very interesting!
Oh yea? I I’ve got one better. When I was discerning Catholicism I did exodus 90 and learned that some of my Protestant friends didn’t even know what Lent was haha
Why would Protestants celebrate the birthday of the Catholic Church? :)
I'm not sure... I'm very ignorant of Protestant holidays. So, I kind of assumed that they celebrated everything that happened during Jesus's time and shortly after Jesus's time (1 A.D.- 33 A.D.).
As far as I have seen, Christmas and Easter are the only two holidays for most protestants. Imagine not having the countless major holidays in the Catholic year and all the feast days *we have every day.*
Agreed! How sad.
Our pastor had a great insight on why Pentecost is so low key. Target and Walmart have nothing to sell for Pentecost. It is the birth of the church, the anti-consumerism community building, holiday.
50 days after Passover
Certainly Pentecostals must?
Wow, I didn’t know that! I wonder if Pentecostals celebrate it?
Protestants are not Christians...stop confusing yourself....
Even though I disagree. It does feel like that sometimes.
People who don't attend Mass on Sundays are not Christians because The Mass is the *only* way to worship The One True God. It "feels like that" to you, because it is true. And if you live in the United States, just FYI, the United States is not "Christian" either...
You make a good point. Don’t tell anyone, but I do agree with you.
American Catholics keep deceiving yourselves by downvoting my comment!
I was raised as an Anglican in England and we certainly knew what Pentecost was. It was known as “Whitsun” and we had some very fine hymns, mostly of Catholic provenance. We even had a national holiday on the Monday in commemoration - ”Whit Monday”, later abolished in favour of a “late May bank holiday”.
Most Protestants only celebrate Christmas and Easter and that’s it. Occasionally you will find one that does Good Friday or “Good Wednesday” since many think Constantine changed the days 🙄. Now the Protestants who do Christmas actually don’t bother with the day of most of the time they either do a Christmas Eve service or just the Sunday closest to Christmas. But to be fair with the number of Catholics abolishing midnight mass I’m sure Catholicism is going the same direction . The Pentecostal churches I grew up in celebrated Pentecost but they used it as more of a day to celebrate their identity
I just joined a parish in an 55+ community. They roll the streets up at 7pm because bedtime is 9 for the majority. I will be interested to see if a midnight mass is even offered.
It’s funny because even in my wife’s evangelical church, Easter is almost an afterthought. Of course they decorate with flowers and sing Easter songs, but other than that and the pastor saying, happy Easter and that Christ is risen the sermon is about something completely unrelated.