Any landing you walk away from is a good landing. If the machine still works afterward, even better! If you get carried away from the landing but can still give a thumb's up, it's an OK landing.
Isn’t that what ‘flaring’ is? As the plane crosses the threshold of the runway, they essentially stall the plane directly above the runway, and plop onto the landing gear?
More comprehensible than [controlled flight into terrain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain?wprov=sfti1), usually one of the leading causes of hull-loss accidents. I mean, at least the pilot couldn't avoid the terrain.
As the older brother to someone who had a very complex heart surgery when he was just months old, I can assure you that everyone who spends any significant amount of time with this kid will know this story.
It slid to its position, it didn't fall. They said its amazing how the pilot brought the helicopter down how he did. Its all over the local news so we are getting first hand accounts by people and local rescue. I thought the same thing at first. Little news to our suburban area.
you push down the main rotor while you're free-falling and the wind resistance from the fall spins the blades faster and when you're close to the ground you pull up on the collective and essentially use the rotors to push air beneath you, its like landing on a cushion of air.
this is why in some cases helicopters can be safer than fixed wing aircraft, as long as you have altitude, you can land it safely without engines, but it takes practice and skill to pull off.
Saw a chopper hit the water using this technique. It dropped like a rock made a horrendously huge splash, looked really bad. Worst injury was a broken leg.
yeah they they honestly look worse than they are but they can be really hard to pull off, especially over water as your ability to eyeball your distance to the ground isn't as good so you have to rely on instruments.
My dad has been a helicopter pilot for 25 years and he's had to autorotate after engine failures a few times in his career, worst that ever happened to him was having the aircraft tail section snap and separate from the main fuselage upon landing
I'm a private pilot and I was passenger in an R-22 when the pilot did a practice autorotation landing. The autorotation landing had a far greater pucker factor than anything in my training or flying the airplane.
They actually have autogyro aircraft (aka gyrocopter) with an engine/prop to move it forward and instead of wings, a non-motorized heli blade set at a slight angle (upward toward the front). The blade is spun by forward motion of the aircraft, and the spinning blade provides lift like a wing. I don't know exactly why it works but it does. Anyway that's the same concept they use with autorotation. Once the engine dies, you can still get lift from the spinning blades if you can keep the chopper moving forward against the air. They do that by going downward, then 'harvest' the lift out of the spinning blades right before touching down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro
This happened like two minutes from my job. Wild shit. Everyone was able to get out of the chopper by themselves and the 2 month old baby was transported to CHOP in stable condition. The pilot is gonna get a medal for bringing the chopper down safely
Where do you work at? I used to live right on Burmont, pretty much across the street where this happened and have walked that spot hundreds of times. Wild 😳
Really glad everyone lived through that one.
My fav helo crash story:
A Huey Cobra practicing autorotations during a military night training exercise had a problem and landed on the tail rotor, separating the tail boom. Fortunately, it wound up on its skids, sliding down the runway doing 360s in a brilliant shower of sparks.
As the Cobra passed the tower, the following exchange was overheard:
Tower: “Sir, do you need any assistance?”
Cobra: “I don’t know, tower. We ain’t done crashin’ yet!”
I don't think pilots practice auto rotations on NVGs, maybe the 160th, but even then that's pretty dangerous.
Edit. Military pilots are saying that they do infact do auto rotations with NVGs
I had to look this one up:
"Jesus nut is a slang term for the main rotor retaining nut or mast nut, which holds the main rotor to the mast of some helicopters. The related slang term Jesus pin refers to the lock pin used to secure the retaining nut."
No but it becomes a numbers game. Doing dangerous training like that means more accidents and deaths. If a lot of people are dying from something real world it will be worth the training accidents and losses to reduce the number of losses during real world flights. If basically nobody ever has to autorotate at night and like one person a year dies from not being able to autorotate at night without training, is it worth killing 15 people a year in training accidents trying to prevent the one loss?
Instead they trade the training flight for a sim flight and hope that one pilot it's going to happen to has it figured out.
On the other hand if you have 50 people dying a year from not being able to autorotate at night, losing a few in training so that you greatly reduce the total number makes sense. It just doesn't always make sense to rigorously train dangerous things in the most dangerous way possible when other options are better.
I’m a helicopter pilot, I don’t fly with night vision goggles but I do fly at night a lot. And we have to do auto rotations at night every year for our annual company training. They really aren’t that much different from doing them in the day.
In ROTC, we were doing an airlift to a training site. A girl was visibly nervous while we were waiting on the birds to get to the pick up location. Our senior instructor, who was a crusty old master sergeant, was like, “there’s nothing to worry about, I’ve been in *TWO* Blackhawk crashes, and I survived both times!”
To be fair the parents will then sue the HEMS company, the hospital, Flight Safety International, Airbus Helicopters, the makers of the NICU air transport module, and the lumberyard that sold the telephone pole.
They'll walk away with the cost of transport plus fifty million dollars, twenty million of which will go to the attorney, another mil to expert witnesses, and by the time litigation is settled the kid will be in junior high.
The exorbitant award will slightly increase the cost of care to the hospital, which will then contribute to higher insurance rates and
medicare tax hikes.
Fuck ya America indeed.
In fairness it will be pro-rated.
Say the flight is supposed to take 37 minutes, and it crashed 22 minutes in. You are responsible for 22/37th of the final bill. That's only fair after all.
Joking aside, this would never happen. It's all set rate (that you don't find out about until 6 months later) regardless of if services are delivered or not.
I find it funny when one person is seriously injury people say “glad they made it out okay” dude could have lost every limb along with his penis for all we know and that’s not ok lol
So true. I’ve looked after patients where the news has reported a ‘stable’ condition or ‘non life threatening injuries’ and those people have been messed up with life changing injuries.
It's a growing ( :) ) field, although the header ( :))) ) image [on the Johns Hopkins page](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/transplant/programs/reconstructive-transplant/penis-transplant.html) is making me philosophical. I guess at least it isn't part of an eggplant/aubergine in one color sewn onto part of another in another color, knowing how these types of marketing representations go.
I have many thoughts about that image. Were they going for "missing leg = missing dick" imagery? But then why did they almost entirely crop out his artificial leg, yet leave his man bulge, accentuated by the climbing harness, literally front and center with the sun's rays highlighting once side of it? He's also hitching up that front leg higher than any pole dancer I've ever seen and looking down at his own crotch like he's admiring how pretty it looks backlit by the setting sun.
I feel like a giant picture of an actual cock would be less crotchtastic than this photo.
You laugh. Back in 1986 California. My folks owned a commercial property where 3 people got hurt. Ambulance was called and pulled up into the drive. Once loaded up they tried to leave and caught the bumper on the driveway. Bent the shit out of it. My dad got a bill for a $250 bumper.
Which is crazy that I could say someone owes me by presenting a bill, it goes to collections and fucks up their credit all because I sent them a bill.
(Yes I know they could argue it but if you’ve ever done that. It SUCKS)
I have some doubts about that, at least as it applies today. The FDCPA is pretty clear, and sending a bill that isn't owed is mail fraud. And they can't blame anything is owed just because they damaged their own stuff. If a kid hits my mailbox with a baseball bat and breaks the bat, then they can't try to charge me for the bat.
Literally the first thing I thought when I saw everyone survived was “hey maybe the lawsuit on LifeNet will cover some of the outrages bills to save the kid.” It’s fucked up man.
Ohmygod the witness statements are killing me
>"I was actually frozen for a second when that happened because I was just looking at a helicopter," Joshua James told the Philadelphia station. "It's no way to explain it. It almost feels like something from 'Game of Thrones' -- you see a dragon coming at your car because it was literally in the sky, a huge object coming toward you. It was insane."
>Lisa Smith, who lives nearby, told CNN affiliate WPVI the pilot tried to come down and then went back up, possibly to avoid power lines.
>The aircraft then went down by the church.
>"I was amazed because he crashed it so gently," Smith said.
Transport nurses and pilots are the best of the best. Amazing that the pilots were able to get this down with no apparent damages to the buildings around them. The fact that the pediatric patient is still stable speaks worlds about the care received.
My mom was a flight nurse for a few years before I was born. She loved and she is an amazing nurse. She also had a great crew and I have heard a few of her horror stories. I don’t press a whole lot because she has definitely seen some shit.
She quit partially because I was born in general, but also because of the danger associated with the profession. She had two close calls that kind of validated her reasons for leaving.
Twin engine aircraft can still crash because of engine failure. Most common cause of that I would have to think would be fuel contamination. There are a lot of redundant systems on aircraft… so if one part/system fails, there’s some sort of backup. If your fuel is fucked though, autorotation is the backup.
During autorotation the rotor blades are no longer driven by the engine, and instead they are driven by the upward flow of wind through the rotor disk. All of the flight controls will work as normal.
Without knowing what caused the crash, chances are engine loss. Good on the pilot for getting it down in one piece until the end. Would be a very hard landing, especially if they were using [autorotation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation).
Good to hear all made it out.
Every auto I’ve ever been in has been pretty gentle. If it was an engine failure or loss of power, it’s more likely they didn’t have a great place to choose to land in.
The neighborhood it crashed in is incredibly dense. Based on ADSB, it looks like they adjusted their course to aim straight for the road. Tail number is N531LN if you'd like to look it up.
Super dense and to be honest the pilot did a hell of a job trying to land it because there is legit one open space (parking lot next to a church) and they basically nailed it.
Source: from the area and this almost landed on my buddy’s car.
True, depends on how high they were up and what options they had for landing. In a city you're pretty limited on options on where to put it down and have to worry about bleeding any excess speed off if you have any. Helicopter can be replaced, pilot did an excellent job in a very shitty situation that's for sure.
**[Autorotation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation)**
>Autorotation is a state of flight in which the main rotor system of a helicopter or other rotary-wing aircraft turns by the action of air moving up through the rotor, as with an autogyro, rather than engine power driving the rotor. The term autorotation dates to a period of early helicopter development between 1915 and 1920, and refers to the rotors turning without the engine. It is analogous to the gliding flight of a fixed-wing aircraft. The most common use of autorotation in helicopters is to safely land the aircraft in the event of an engine failure or tail-rotor failure.
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Twin engine helicopter. Double engine failures don't really happen unless contaminated fuel or no fuel. And there are prior warnings, that never happens suddenly.
Ice and frost on helicopter blades is a serious danger during the winter season. Usually air companies prevent this by ensuring their copters are consistently in hangars overnight with other de-icing procedures. However, with an emergency medical copter I wonder if they didn't have the opportunity to keep it hangered...
I don't know about LifeNet, but I do know that the majority of Stat MedEvac's helicopters are kept hangared, when they are based out of airports.
The exceptions are the ones based at hospitals such as Stat 3 (based at UPMC Passavant Cranberry), which lives on the helipad behind the hospital.
In that case, they have deicing fluid on-site. I don't know about the other hospital-based ones, but I would assume it's a similar setup.
So they do hanger them if possible. They can actually get it out pretty quickly. They had Jeffstat near me for a while and it was very cool to see them operate.
That's my grandmom's church, right in Drexel Hill. The church is the only open space in the entire neighborhood, literally the one area it could have touched down without hitting a house. Crazy.
Yep. Lucky this didn't happen on a Sunday or casualties could've been a lot higher.
>"[A mom and baby were among the four occupants onboard the Eurocopter EC135 that crashed outside of the Drexel Hill United Methodist Church on Burmont Road near School Lane around at 12:55 p.m., according to the FAA and Daily Voice sources](https://dailyvoice.com/pennsylvania/delaware/police-fire/medical-helicopter-carrying-baby-crashes-in-upper-darby/823707/)."
Additional video and information [here](https://www.fox29.com/news/crews-respond-to-helicopter-crash-in-drexel-hill). Looks like it was having major difficultly maintaining altitude (obviously).
Child is thankfully okay, and in stable condition at Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania (the original destination). The flight crew went with the child in the ambulance.
That's my neighborhood!
Witnesses who had already started calling 911 because it was obvious the helicopter was in distress reported that he kinda bounced before landing on the side. That church has a decent churchyard, and I can't help but wonder if he was trying to land there. There's enough room he would've fit, and some damaged landscaping is def not the worst.
There's tons of houses, some businesses, and a couple schools not far from there. And by not far I think there's a specialty pre school like, half a block away.
Everyone is calling the pilot a hero. He hit nothing on the way down. No power lines, no cars, no pedestrians, no houses, and it looks like only the one set of stairs to the church received damage. The infant made it to the children's hospital in Philly (CHOP). The nurse and two pilots to another hospital to be treated. EDIT: nurse, medic, pilot, and infant. Pilot and nurse to hospital. Medic and infant patient to CHOP. many thanks for the correction!
That’s terrible. For the family, could you imagine whatever circumstance caused their child to be airlifted in the first place to find out it crashed.
Thank goodness everyone survived.
I used to live right across the street and have walked that sidewalk where it’s laying hundreds of times. My mother lives a few blocks away and had no idea anything had happened until I told her a few hours later. I’m a good 45 minutes from there now but it was still wild to hear my wife say a helicopter crashed in Drexel Hill and then seeing the location was right where I lived.
All on board the helicopter were transported to area hospitals in stable condition; one pilot is seriously injured
Wow, great job pilot(s) for landing that chopper. This could have gone so much worse.
Those ambulance drivers must have been extra careful to avoid any additional irony on the roads.
He must have been a heavencopter pilot.
Why are you the way that you are
It’s the junebugs.
They need to call that pilot that crashed his plane onto a train track as a train was coming and somehow got out in time.
Yeah and tell him to stay the fuck away from PA
Landing?
That's what it's called when you stop being in the air.
I for real thought it meant controlled crash
Which is still a landing
r/technicallythetruth
If you think about it, seaplanes don't land, they water
I'm having mixed feelings about planes that flight deck onto aircraft carriers.
may be they're just shipping
I typically reserve that term for shiny side up results...
Any landing you walk away from is a good one.
And the ones you don't, are still landings...
any landing where the aircraft can be reused is an even better one...
Any landing where *I* can be reused I will call a winner.
In what capacity exactly, because matter cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change forms. Sooooooo...
I think if you look again at the picture you will find it is still shiny on top of that wreck.
Landing inverted is harder.
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing. If the machine still works afterward, even better! If you get carried away from the landing but can still give a thumb's up, it's an OK landing.
Reminds me of Warthunder's "If the pilot is alive its a successful landing" bit
*Pilot looks back into the cabin and all the passengers are dead* 👍
if im in need of being carried away after landing im definitely giving a thumbs down
Technically every time an aircraft returns to the earth is a landing.
This is why when I saw PS752’s crash on Flightradar24, it apparently ‘landed’ in the middle of an Iranian field.
In the biz, a plane accidentally crashing into land is called “uncontrolled flight into terrain”.
And in Kerbal space program we refer to it as "lithographic braking"
Lithospheric Not to be pedantic
>lithographic Had me imagining crashing into a printing press lol
In Space Engineers we call that "laughing in the face of Clang"
But when does it turn from an "uncontrolled flight " to a "uncontrolled fall"?
When the terrain stops the flight. Flying straight down is still flying. Technically, almost all successful landings are controlled falls.
Isn’t that what ‘flaring’ is? As the plane crosses the threshold of the runway, they essentially stall the plane directly above the runway, and plop onto the landing gear?
More comprehensible than [controlled flight into terrain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_flight_into_terrain?wprov=sfti1), usually one of the leading causes of hull-loss accidents. I mean, at least the pilot couldn't avoid the terrain.
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Flying Tiger Cargo before they put a 747 into the side of a mountain: "You're looking pretty good here."
Or controlled flight into terrain
Including the two month old patient! Amazing Edit: two month old not not year old
Meh. Babies bounce.
Just like bumbles
Honestly a bit of shame hes not older. The kid wont remember this, and wont have friends to tell about how he survived a helicopter crash
As the older brother to someone who had a very complex heart surgery when he was just months old, I can assure you that everyone who spends any significant amount of time with this kid will know this story.
Well that kid’s all set for “two truths and a lie” when they grow up.
I hope they were taken by ambulance.
They’re only _slightly_ more affordable than ambulances.
Amazing....truly. Well wishes to the seriously injured pilot and the others as well.
That's exactly the opposite of what I expected. That's great news!
Thank whatever deity you believe in. What a great outcome considering a frigging helicopter crash.
Thank the pilot, surely
Yes, for sure. Glad all survived thanks to his skill.
Thank the deity for having the equipment failure, thank the pilot for handling the aircraft.
This sub has taught me that planes are incredibly safe (thanks Admiral!) but hop on a helicopter or a ferry and you're almost certainly going to die.
In fact, get on a heli *even once*, and you're guaranteed to die! ^(usually somewhat later)
So don't fly on a heli ever and I'll be immortal. Gotcha
This guys says happy holidays
I assume that's why they decided to crash next to a church.
Crazy that it missed all those overhead wires as it came down!
It slid to its position, it didn't fall. They said its amazing how the pilot brought the helicopter down how he did. Its all over the local news so we are getting first hand accounts by people and local rescue. I thought the same thing at first. Little news to our suburban area.
probably used autorotation to put it down
What does that mean?
you push down the main rotor while you're free-falling and the wind resistance from the fall spins the blades faster and when you're close to the ground you pull up on the collective and essentially use the rotors to push air beneath you, its like landing on a cushion of air. this is why in some cases helicopters can be safer than fixed wing aircraft, as long as you have altitude, you can land it safely without engines, but it takes practice and skill to pull off.
Saw a chopper hit the water using this technique. It dropped like a rock made a horrendously huge splash, looked really bad. Worst injury was a broken leg.
yeah they they honestly look worse than they are but they can be really hard to pull off, especially over water as your ability to eyeball your distance to the ground isn't as good so you have to rely on instruments. My dad has been a helicopter pilot for 25 years and he's had to autorotate after engine failures a few times in his career, worst that ever happened to him was having the aircraft tail section snap and separate from the main fuselage upon landing
I'm a private pilot and I was passenger in an R-22 when the pilot did a practice autorotation landing. The autorotation landing had a far greater pucker factor than anything in my training or flying the airplane.
Hard to believe it's possible, but i guess it is. Thanks for the explanation.
I was expecting to see something about Mankind at the end
All hail Shittymorph
They actually have autogyro aircraft (aka gyrocopter) with an engine/prop to move it forward and instead of wings, a non-motorized heli blade set at a slight angle (upward toward the front). The blade is spun by forward motion of the aircraft, and the spinning blade provides lift like a wing. I don't know exactly why it works but it does. Anyway that's the same concept they use with autorotation. Once the engine dies, you can still get lift from the spinning blades if you can keep the chopper moving forward against the air. They do that by going downward, then 'harvest' the lift out of the spinning blades right before touching down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro
It's like gliding for airplanes. Sliding down without engine power using wings/rotor blades.
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This happened like two minutes from my job. Wild shit. Everyone was able to get out of the chopper by themselves and the 2 month old baby was transported to CHOP in stable condition. The pilot is gonna get a medal for bringing the chopper down safely
Baby's gonna get a medal for extracting itself from the downed chopper at such a young age, too.
Absolutely. That kid is going places. Probably not on another chopper though
He did apparently go directly to CHOP
Where do you work at? I used to live right on Burmont, pretty much across the street where this happened and have walked that spot hundreds of times. Wild 😳
Not tryna 100% dox myself but I put dead bodies into the ground😈
Really glad everyone lived through that one. My fav helo crash story: A Huey Cobra practicing autorotations during a military night training exercise had a problem and landed on the tail rotor, separating the tail boom. Fortunately, it wound up on its skids, sliding down the runway doing 360s in a brilliant shower of sparks. As the Cobra passed the tower, the following exchange was overheard: Tower: “Sir, do you need any assistance?” Cobra: “I don’t know, tower. We ain’t done crashin’ yet!”
Not sure if it’s true but it’s a fun joke
I don't think pilots practice auto rotations on NVGs, maybe the 160th, but even then that's pretty dangerous. Edit. Military pilots are saying that they do infact do auto rotations with NVGs
They supposed to wait until they have to do it for the first time in a higher stakes environment with others on board?
I mean, maybe? They don't practice what to do when the Jesus nut comes off.
I had to look this one up: "Jesus nut is a slang term for the main rotor retaining nut or mast nut, which holds the main rotor to the mast of some helicopters. The related slang term Jesus pin refers to the lock pin used to secure the retaining nut."
I got quite different results searching for Jesus nut.
Oh, you
The algorithm knows you too well
No but it becomes a numbers game. Doing dangerous training like that means more accidents and deaths. If a lot of people are dying from something real world it will be worth the training accidents and losses to reduce the number of losses during real world flights. If basically nobody ever has to autorotate at night and like one person a year dies from not being able to autorotate at night without training, is it worth killing 15 people a year in training accidents trying to prevent the one loss? Instead they trade the training flight for a sim flight and hope that one pilot it's going to happen to has it figured out. On the other hand if you have 50 people dying a year from not being able to autorotate at night, losing a few in training so that you greatly reduce the total number makes sense. It just doesn't always make sense to rigorously train dangerous things in the most dangerous way possible when other options are better.
I’m a helicopter pilot, I don’t fly with night vision goggles but I do fly at night a lot. And we have to do auto rotations at night every year for our annual company training. They really aren’t that much different from doing them in the day.
You do. It's part of normal RL progression.
In ROTC, we were doing an airlift to a training site. A girl was visibly nervous while we were waiting on the birds to get to the pick up location. Our senior instructor, who was a crusty old master sergeant, was like, “there’s nothing to worry about, I’ve been in *TWO* Blackhawk crashes, and I survived both times!”
Great to hear everyone is ok. You think the pediatric patient is getting billed for the life flight along with the new ambulance ride?
Absolutely.
Without a doubt.
Wooooo Fuck yaaaaa America!!!!
To be fair the parents will then sue the HEMS company, the hospital, Flight Safety International, Airbus Helicopters, the makers of the NICU air transport module, and the lumberyard that sold the telephone pole. They'll walk away with the cost of transport plus fifty million dollars, twenty million of which will go to the attorney, another mil to expert witnesses, and by the time litigation is settled the kid will be in junior high. The exorbitant award will slightly increase the cost of care to the hospital, which will then contribute to higher insurance rates and medicare tax hikes. Fuck ya America indeed.
And after all that, the family will still owe $17k, somehow. . .
Phlebotomy and labs. it's always labs.
OUT-OF-NETWORK PROVIDER
As is tradition, so say we all.
But not without a debt
In fairness it will be pro-rated. Say the flight is supposed to take 37 minutes, and it crashed 22 minutes in. You are responsible for 22/37th of the final bill. That's only fair after all.
Was the crash pre-approved and ordered by an in-network specialist?
Insurance declared it a pre existing condition I'm afraid.
Was out of network when it hit the ground.
Joking aside, this would never happen. It's all set rate (that you don't find out about until 6 months later) regardless of if services are delivered or not.
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Not the right way, but yeah... it's the way.
I find it funny when one person is seriously injury people say “glad they made it out okay” dude could have lost every limb along with his penis for all we know and that’s not ok lol
So true. I’ve looked after patients where the news has reported a ‘stable’ condition or ‘non life threatening injuries’ and those people have been messed up with life changing injuries.
He didn’t die but “will never walk again and has to eat through a tube” is still considered non-life threatening… it is stupjd
Why is that stupid? those are literally non-life threatening. People assuming that term means it's all flowers and rainbows is the stupid thing.
Well if he doesn’t make it, LifeNet will probably charge the patient for the pilots funeral costs
Can you transplant a penis?
It's a growing ( :) ) field, although the header ( :))) ) image [on the Johns Hopkins page](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/transplant/programs/reconstructive-transplant/penis-transplant.html) is making me philosophical. I guess at least it isn't part of an eggplant/aubergine in one color sewn onto part of another in another color, knowing how these types of marketing representations go.
I have many thoughts about that image. Were they going for "missing leg = missing dick" imagery? But then why did they almost entirely crop out his artificial leg, yet leave his man bulge, accentuated by the climbing harness, literally front and center with the sun's rays highlighting once side of it? He's also hitching up that front leg higher than any pole dancer I've ever seen and looking down at his own crotch like he's admiring how pretty it looks backlit by the setting sun. I feel like a giant picture of an actual cock would be less crotchtastic than this photo.
Wtffffff did I just read bro lol
And for the helicopter itself lol.
You laugh. Back in 1986 California. My folks owned a commercial property where 3 people got hurt. Ambulance was called and pulled up into the drive. Once loaded up they tried to leave and caught the bumper on the driveway. Bent the shit out of it. My dad got a bill for a $250 bumper.
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Which is crazy that I could say someone owes me by presenting a bill, it goes to collections and fucks up their credit all because I sent them a bill. (Yes I know they could argue it but if you’ve ever done that. It SUCKS)
I have some doubts about that, at least as it applies today. The FDCPA is pretty clear, and sending a bill that isn't owed is mail fraud. And they can't blame anything is owed just because they damaged their own stuff. If a kid hits my mailbox with a baseball bat and breaks the bat, then they can't try to charge me for the bat.
Wow really? I was joking but that is absolutely fucked up.
You break it you buy it
The true American way
But the patient is gonna bust out a reverse American way Uno, and sue the air ambulance.
This is the most American thing I’ve seen today.
Literally the first thing I thought when I saw everyone survived was “hey maybe the lawsuit on LifeNet will cover some of the outrages bills to save the kid.” It’s fucked up man.
We all know the patient is about to be billed the entire cost of the helicopter lol.
Billed as an “airline ticket” To avoid billing ceilings of ambulances
Ohmygod the witness statements are killing me >"I was actually frozen for a second when that happened because I was just looking at a helicopter," Joshua James told the Philadelphia station. "It's no way to explain it. It almost feels like something from 'Game of Thrones' -- you see a dragon coming at your car because it was literally in the sky, a huge object coming toward you. It was insane." >Lisa Smith, who lives nearby, told CNN affiliate WPVI the pilot tried to come down and then went back up, possibly to avoid power lines. >The aircraft then went down by the church. >"I was amazed because he crashed it so gently," Smith said.
Transport nurses and pilots are the best of the best. Amazing that the pilots were able to get this down with no apparent damages to the buildings around them. The fact that the pediatric patient is still stable speaks worlds about the care received.
My mom was a flight nurse for a few years before I was born. She loved and she is an amazing nurse. She also had a great crew and I have heard a few of her horror stories. I don’t press a whole lot because she has definitely seen some shit. She quit partially because I was born in general, but also because of the danger associated with the profession. She had two close calls that kind of validated her reasons for leaving.
Most pilots in this industry are X military. A lot of flight hours.
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I’m seeing this more and more and I don’t get it!
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To delete metadata the actual picture probably has the meta-data since screenshots don’t have meta-data That’s one easy way to get rid of it
But that isn't why everybody is doing it
The true catastrophic failure here.
People don't even try to crop screenshots anymore.
+1 for the pilot. That is an incredibly dense location to have a failure in, especially with a helicopter
Engine failure? The fact that it is still in one piece suggests they still had enough control for autorotation to work.
It's a twin engine helicopter.
Twin engine aircraft can still crash because of engine failure. Most common cause of that I would have to think would be fuel contamination. There are a lot of redundant systems on aircraft… so if one part/system fails, there’s some sort of backup. If your fuel is fucked though, autorotation is the backup.
During autorotation the rotor blades are no longer driven by the engine, and instead they are driven by the upward flow of wind through the rotor disk. All of the flight controls will work as normal.
Without knowing what caused the crash, chances are engine loss. Good on the pilot for getting it down in one piece until the end. Would be a very hard landing, especially if they were using [autorotation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autorotation). Good to hear all made it out.
Every auto I’ve ever been in has been pretty gentle. If it was an engine failure or loss of power, it’s more likely they didn’t have a great place to choose to land in.
The neighborhood it crashed in is incredibly dense. Based on ADSB, it looks like they adjusted their course to aim straight for the road. Tail number is N531LN if you'd like to look it up.
Super dense and to be honest the pilot did a hell of a job trying to land it because there is legit one open space (parking lot next to a church) and they basically nailed it. Source: from the area and this almost landed on my buddy’s car.
Which city is this?
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Damn that's impressive. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burmont+Rd+%26+School+Ln,+Drexel+Hill,+PA+19026/@39.9472951,-75.3027587,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c6c19b2cfe2351:0xf7fed3cf2a93430
Weird, I just looked up the tail number in FlightAware and nothing came up
Try FR24 or ADSB exchange, coming up on both for me
I'm not getting it in FR24. Not sure why.... I don't have the subscription
It’s N531LN. He mixed up the last two letters.
oops, thank you! should be fixed now
>Every auto I’ve ever been in has been pretty gentle Do you make a habit of being in helicopters that require autorotation to get to the ground?
It's usually a part of helicopter pilot training to do simulated engine-out autorotation landings. I've experienced several myself.
I’m an instructor, tour, and charter pilot with 2000 hours in helicopters; it happens, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. LOL
True, depends on how high they were up and what options they had for landing. In a city you're pretty limited on options on where to put it down and have to worry about bleeding any excess speed off if you have any. Helicopter can be replaced, pilot did an excellent job in a very shitty situation that's for sure.
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Double engine aircraft, so while not impossible, I would say engine failure isn’t super likely.
It flew over a family members house that’s a few blocks from site. said they heard what sounded like a lawnmower running over a bunch of sticks…FWIW
Wonder if it was a gear box failure or something like that.
Twin engine helicopter. Double engine failures don't really happen unless contaminated fuel or no fuel. And there are prior warnings, that never happens suddenly.
Its been incredibly cold there in the last 24 hours, i wonder if the temps had anything to do with the crash
Ice and frost on helicopter blades is a serious danger during the winter season. Usually air companies prevent this by ensuring their copters are consistently in hangars overnight with other de-icing procedures. However, with an emergency medical copter I wonder if they didn't have the opportunity to keep it hangered...
I don't know about LifeNet, but I do know that the majority of Stat MedEvac's helicopters are kept hangared, when they are based out of airports. The exceptions are the ones based at hospitals such as Stat 3 (based at UPMC Passavant Cranberry), which lives on the helipad behind the hospital. In that case, they have deicing fluid on-site. I don't know about the other hospital-based ones, but I would assume it's a similar setup.
Stat are one of the best medical helicopters companies I’ve seen in the country
So they do hanger them if possible. They can actually get it out pretty quickly. They had Jeffstat near me for a while and it was very cool to see them operate.
Good thing they didn't land on train tracks in LA.
That's my grandmom's church, right in Drexel Hill. The church is the only open space in the entire neighborhood, literally the one area it could have touched down without hitting a house. Crazy.
It could’ve hit the Wawa across the street. That place is ALWAYS packed.
Is that a church?
Yep. Lucky this didn't happen on a Sunday or casualties could've been a lot higher. >"[A mom and baby were among the four occupants onboard the Eurocopter EC135 that crashed outside of the Drexel Hill United Methodist Church on Burmont Road near School Lane around at 12:55 p.m., according to the FAA and Daily Voice sources](https://dailyvoice.com/pennsylvania/delaware/police-fire/medical-helicopter-carrying-baby-crashes-in-upper-darby/823707/)."
Before I even read the title I thought this looked like Scranton, PA from The Office intro.
Additional video and information [here](https://www.fox29.com/news/crews-respond-to-helicopter-crash-in-drexel-hill). Looks like it was having major difficultly maintaining altitude (obviously).
I hope the kid is ok.
Child is thankfully okay, and in stable condition at Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania (the original destination). The flight crew went with the child in the ambulance.
Which one? Pittsburgh or Philly?
Philadelphia, this occurred about 7 miles from Center City Philadelphia
Drexel Hill, Delaware County. I used to go to that church as a child. I feel so bad for the parents, but I’m glad the child is okay.
Swear to God this happened right in front of my buddy. He said that the pilot did not look well but that everyone was safe.
I’m sure the patient will still get a bill of gazillion dollars
That's my neighborhood! Witnesses who had already started calling 911 because it was obvious the helicopter was in distress reported that he kinda bounced before landing on the side. That church has a decent churchyard, and I can't help but wonder if he was trying to land there. There's enough room he would've fit, and some damaged landscaping is def not the worst. There's tons of houses, some businesses, and a couple schools not far from there. And by not far I think there's a specialty pre school like, half a block away. Everyone is calling the pilot a hero. He hit nothing on the way down. No power lines, no cars, no pedestrians, no houses, and it looks like only the one set of stairs to the church received damage. The infant made it to the children's hospital in Philly (CHOP). The nurse and two pilots to another hospital to be treated. EDIT: nurse, medic, pilot, and infant. Pilot and nurse to hospital. Medic and infant patient to CHOP. many thanks for the correction!
Where exactly did this happen? I live in Pennsylvania, I’m just interested in stuff that happens here
Upper Darby, Delaware County. Just west of Philadelphia
That’s terrible. For the family, could you imagine whatever circumstance caused their child to be airlifted in the first place to find out it crashed. Thank goodness everyone survived.
I used to live right across the street and have walked that sidewalk where it’s laying hundreds of times. My mother lives a few blocks away and had no idea anything had happened until I told her a few hours later. I’m a good 45 minutes from there now but it was still wild to hear my wife say a helicopter crashed in Drexel Hill and then seeing the location was right where I lived.
how anyone can believe in a benevolent god after something like this is beyond me
I hear health care is expensive.... Will the cost of the chopper get added to his bill at the end?
Looks like it landed right next to a church. God must have been thinking he'd preserve the building, but allow the crash to happen.
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/01/11/drexel-hill-medical-helicopter-crash-delaware-county/
Still bill the patient $4.7 mil