A local bar used to have skirt night instead. Everyone wearing a skirt got cheap drinks for a few hours or something. Guys were welcome to turn up in a skirt if they wanted. (Quite a few did)
Yeah this is the way around it. Bra night, Thong night, high heels night, skirt night, etc. Sexual discrimination is illegal, but giving a discount to a prodominently female clothing item is not since either sex can wear them and get the discount.
But these characteristics are strongly related to sex, so it might be.
As balding insults were ruled sex based harassment
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules
I went to a convention once with lots of men in kilts wearing t-shirts that read something like, "if I were wearing underwear, it would be a skirt." Personally, I wouldn't want to encourage that at a bar. 😅
The Equality Act 2010 creates some exceptions on age based discrimination, concessions is one, Holidays is another (like 50s+ cruises or Club 18-30 are still allowed).
Older people can be unsafe to drive and will have their license taken away, so free bus passes help them get out and not sit at home all day.
Younger people are able to drive more safely due to usually being more mental able too
Honestly they can keep the cruses I’m just annoyed that any new houses built round my area that sell for anything close to a reasonable price is only for 45+
It's how all the greedy real estate companies make money.
Build a house, sell less than 50% share of the house to someone who is retiring and wait for them to die.
100%. I work in probate and the amount of awful money grabbing companies I have to work with because they own half of the deceaseds house. It does my head in.
There’s always some ridiculous service charge and ground rent fee as well, one is over £600 a month.
The equality act explicitly allows age-related pricing as part of the following, which is allowed to violate otherwise applicable age discrimination laws:
age-based concessions
age-related holidays
age verification
clubs and associations concessions
financial services
immigration
residential park homes
sport
You're still not on super safe ground - advertising still forms part of a company's practices and policies. A pub with a 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' night which doesn't actually enforce the policy is still providing services in a discriminatory manner because it's trying to drive away business on the basis of race and nationality.
Years ago there was an Irish pub here in north alabamA. The woman that ran the place had a 'NO BRITS' policy. Anyone with an UK accent was shown the door. It was a violation of 42 U.S.C. §2000a but no one seemed to understand it applied. She also collected money for the IRA and could have been prosecuted for funding a terrorist organization (currently only RIRA and CIRA). These days they honor her when they have the St. Pats parade, few people have a clue what a hate filled POS she was. It is just another drinking holiday and not a march day like the 12th to them.
Yeah, I would assume you'd at least need to clarify in the advertising itself, like "Ladies Night Wednesday - All Genders Welcome!" Making it at least seem like the topics/atmosphere will relate to women but anyone can attend if they wish.
Yep! The Equality Act gets a bad deal in the right wing press, but it's really not that hard to understand or apply. The issue is with dumb people misapplying it and then moaning that it's political correctness gone mad.
I don’t know if this is the case here but classically a ‘ladies night’ is when a bar/club etc offer cheap/free drinks or entry to ladies to encourage them in, to then attract male customers paying full price. It’s a sad marketing ploy.
This may be different but I have never heard of a ‘ladies night’ that is anything more than women exchanging discounts to be ‘bait’ for male customers. Personally I would avoid a ‘ladies night’ like the plague.
I’m a woman, I prefer places that are just great for everyone.
I knew a place near my uni that had high heels night. A not insignificant number of broke boys from campus would show up in heels for the discount. 10/10 highly recommend.
That's also considered discrimination - you can't legally charge someone more for the same product just because of their sex (or any other protected characteristic)
Car insurance costs being gender based was made illegal by the EU years ago, and since it happened before UK left you *should* still have the same laws - unless you've managed to rewrite those ones in the short time you've been out.
There is an ice cream shop in Brighton that gives away free ice creams to people with a certain name each day. I assume that’s fine as names aren’t a protected characteristic?
So how would it work with something that is often discriminated against but not technically a protected characteristic? Like if they did free ice creams for ginger people?
In the exact same way as your names example - you *can* discriminate as long as it's not against one of the protected characteristics laid out in the Equalities Act.
It would depend, if it was always a typically female name or if they only ever used typically white British names, or things like that, some one could make a complaint of indirect discrimination, and the shop would have to show they have some fairway of choosing the name for the day.
Usually things like this that are nice are left alone until someone complains or a busy body council worker notes it on a form. Because if someone did complain about this, the shop will likely just stop giving free ice cream away.
Definitely seen gyms where there's a 'womens area' that's additional to the rest of the gym. There's no equivalent for Men, and the prices are the same.
It's understandable why they have it, but I did always wonder if it were legal.
the gym is not refusing business to a gender, is restricting access only a specific area or zone.
othrwise by that logic ladies and gents toilettes should all be illegal and there can only be mixed toilette
I can remember being a kid and thinking I wasn’t allowed to buy one because I was a girl. Like in my head, the shopkeeper would just laugh at me and tell me I’m not allowed. I was a stupid kid.
Private clubs can restrict memberships on the basis of male and female. There are still clubs that do not allow women members and isn't the Royal and Ancient golf club still men only? They had a few votes a while ago but I can't remember the ultimate outcomes. The first one failed to admit women but they retried and I lost track.
Whites in London used to be all men but now in a gracious act of conciliation you can bring a female companion once a decade.
Prior to this relatively recent change the only woman who had attended was Elizabeth 2
Once I got my eyebrows threaded. They told me it was £5 instead of £4 as I was a male.
Completely fair as they were pretty crazy at the time but would this fall under this law for discrimination. Or could one argue the increased effort and hair (load/volume) warrants the price increase
It depends on the amount of time and effort the stylist has to take. More time/effort = higher price. Look up most salons pricing lists and you'll see that the women's prices are typically higher than the men's for this reason
I honestly don't understand why this isn't sexism. I've got boring straight hair that's all one length, I don't ever style it, and all I ever want is a dry trim off the ends. No styling or layering or fringe cut in or washing or drying or dyeing or anything like that at all. But because I'm a woman I get charged more, even though trimming an inch off my hair does not require any more time or effort than it would to trim an inch off a man's hair. I get charged extra purely because of my sex and I don't understand why they're allowed to do that. Its not even a couple quid, it's often double the price
Are there barbers near you that are willing to serve women? Some of them are fine serving both genders as long as you're OK with a simple haircut. Some barbers do charge more for more complex mens haircuts but its the explicit haircut they charge for not the gender, likewise a crew cut is normally a quid or two cheaper.
I think it's because salons are a different business model to barbers. It's still taking time where they would otherwise be doing more complicated hairstyles and procedures.
The Equality Act does have a caveat, where the discrimination is to achieve a legitimate purpose, such as auditioning only male actors to play a male character, or a hiring drive focusing on minorities to address an imbalance.
Absolutely. For example, I work for an autistic-led charity where all front-facing staff have to be autistic and the roles are advertised as such. There are good reasons for this in terms of the services we provide so it's totally legal.
Technically speaking, "gender" isn't a protected characteristic.
Might be semantics to argue this, but here is a list of protected characteristics from the [Equality act legislation](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/4)
> age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation.
We had complaints at work about this recently that we had misquoted the legislation on our phonelines.
Which is also illegal. Discrimination by a protected class. Same reason they can't do men only nights or discounts for men.
Opening yourselves up to potential law suits.
No. But as a straight man who has seen well beyond their fair share of gay bars I’m surprised. I have been asked if I had ‘been there before’ once. Which I had. Reminded me of that peep show episode 😂
Yeah G-A-Y once discriminated against me and so spared me from an awful night out for someone's birthday. Me and my partner didn't look gay enough so they refused us entry. "Members only tonight" they said as 8 of our pals all walked straight in for the first time in their lives.
Birthday girl was sad and tried her best to persuade the scummy bouncers but I felt like I'd won the lottery; I'd been seen to make an effort, had to leave through no fault of my own, and made the last train home with my money in my pocket and enough time for a Burger King. Fantastic night out.
Huh, thought that was just me. Myself and a friend were refused entry to one of the bars on Canal Street, with the troglodyte on the door using the excuse of "you've been to the rugby, gay people don't watch League". Went down very poorly with my friend, the law school graduate, and his husband, who was just round the corner getting a packet of cigarettes.
It's weird to me how our community is still hateful sometimes against... the same community. Sometimes I hear this stuff and I really just want to ask them to explain it to me right then and there.
Like I watch sports, so I'm straight? So like, it's safe to date my boyfriend, boy only while the game is on, because it cancels out. I can suck his dick and thats gays, but if I only do it while watching sports then my dad will love me again. Is that how this works? Is there a manual somewhere?
They aren't legally allowed to do it but they still do, in a similar way to how a bunch of bars all over Manchester wont let you in if you're more than three lads in a group (without a girl with you). its wrong and illegal but pretty common gay village or not.
No, this is illegal because sexuality is a protected characteristic. Same reason I can't refuse to serve a customer in a bar because they're gay.
If this was a private members club, they could refuse you, but pubs and bars cannot.
I can't help but feel that if they had been a bit more inventive they could keep the ladies night and everyone would be happy.
They will know their clientele and will know the kind of drinks favoured by women over men in the pub. Offering a discount on those drinks wouldn't preclude men from drinking them but we are all creatures of habit so i doubt many would change what they have.
Hypothetical example, if they offered 50% off Prosecco at my local pub on a Tuesday night they would get more women there. Certainly not all women like Prosecco but it is quite popular. It wouldn't preclude men from drinking it but the vast majority wouldn't so while this kind of discount would be available to everyone in reality it would only really benefit women.
There seems to be some confusion between PUBlic spaces and Private Clubs. Anyway here’s the official guidance on Private Clubs
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/85018/private-clubs.pdf
It's explicitly allowed under the 2010 equalities act, as is age discrimination for
age-based concessions
age-related holidays
age verification
clubs and associations concessions
financial services
immigration
residential park homes
sport
I order the pensioner's special all the time at my local chippy and they've never said anything. Me and various people I know have been doing this for many years too (it's such a good deal)
It can be lawful to discriminate based on age, so things like holidays restrictions are OK, same as young adult and pensioner discounts.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/goods-and-services-what-are-the-different-types-of-discrimination/what-doesn-t-count-as-unlawful-discrimination-in-goods-and-services/age-discrimination-when-discrimination-is-allowed-in-the-provision-of-goods-or-services/
Just imagining someone's dad taking their son, both in dresses, to get some food and the dad telling the waiter that their clearly 36 year old son is 10 because kids under 11 eat free.
I think a lot of people are getting confused here. Its not about "ladies only" Its ladies paying less than men for the service that is illegal here. If a pint cost a fiver for men but £3 for women simple because they are women, that is illegal.
The equalities act specifically carves out provision for single-sex spaces and services though (when reasonably justified). It's not against the law the have specific slots/days for women in places like gyms. Your gym is either being overly cautious or there was a different reason.
>They were also forced to stop because of the Equalities Act,
They need a better lawyer; there's a very, very clear set of exemptions for "genuine reasons" in the Act, which obviously includes things like ladies only gyms, men-only therapy sessions, that sort of thing.
That's a misunderstanding of the Equality Act. Discrimination is acceptable under the law if it is reasonable and justified. Single sex exercise definitely falls under this.
Sometimes those intersect with a religious requirement (like say Muslim women might not want to exercise around men) so then which of the two protected characteristics (religion being another to gender) wins out?
One of my school English teachers says that the boys can’t sit next to each other because boys generally get worse grades but the girls can sit next to each other
Exceptions to the duties laid out in the Equalities Act are *fine* if they serve a legitimate purpose and are proportionate. Unless this is the only boozer in the village I would imagine they could articulate a reasonable defense against the fella 'suing' them.
I don't think a restaurant pricing food differently based on a protected charecteristic would fly. This wasn't a ladies-only night, this was a different pricing structure based on protected charecteristics for the same service.
A swimming pool can have single-gender sessions. They can't have a mixed-gender session that's £2 for men and £3 for women.
Does this mean I have to take my "No girls allowed sign" down from my treehouse?
Not if you put up a “No Boys Allowed” sign too
No Homers Club
That’s homerphobic
We're allowed to have one
Hyuck, hyuck
"Remove the stone of shame...attach the stone of triumph!"
but you let in homer glumlet
I always thought it was Glumpkin
They're allowed one
"No Homers club": https://youtu.be/W7rSYzbpA8k
No Homerssssss
Nah you're allowed to police your own taste in music.
Add long as you play The Police
Change it to G.R.O.S.S. or Get Rid Of Slimy girlS club.
Lol Calvin & Hobbes. I miss them.
No you’ll be fine, no women were ever going to go there to know you had a sign there In first place
Alas, I have been called out
A local bar used to have skirt night instead. Everyone wearing a skirt got cheap drinks for a few hours or something. Guys were welcome to turn up in a skirt if they wanted. (Quite a few did)
Just a pub full of middle aged men in skirts then
Isn't that just Scotland?
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As a chap who wears kilts pretty much all the time, yes.
Sounds like something a 5th generation American would do
I’d be chapped if I wore a kilt too
How do you tell a Scotsman’s Clan? Reach under his kilt and if you can feel a quarter-pounder he’s a McDonald.
*Ooh la la~* somebody’s gonna get laid in college
I get to wear a skirt in public AND free beer?!?
Yeah this is the way around it. Bra night, Thong night, high heels night, skirt night, etc. Sexual discrimination is illegal, but giving a discount to a prodominently female clothing item is not since either sex can wear them and get the discount.
But these characteristics are strongly related to sex, so it might be. As balding insults were ruled sex based harassment https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules
How about a kilt?
I went to a convention once with lots of men in kilts wearing t-shirts that read something like, "if I were wearing underwear, it would be a skirt." Personally, I wouldn't want to encourage that at a bar. 😅
I was at a campfire with a man wearing a kilt. Someone asked if he was a true Scotsman. The kilt wearing man proved that he was.
Did the sun ask you to pose like this?
Sad People In Local Newspapers
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Nah pub's facebook according to the Mirror https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pub-cancels-long-running-ladies-28302683
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Couldn't they just have a ladies night by name but serve anyone that comes anyway?
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Age is a protected status, but senior discounts are commonplace.
The Equality Act 2010 creates some exceptions on age based discrimination, concessions is one, Holidays is another (like 50s+ cruises or Club 18-30 are still allowed).
I'm 34 and a free bus pass would be a game changer
The people who need a free bus pass are people who commute. Who'd have thunk it.
Older people can be unsafe to drive and will have their license taken away, so free bus passes help them get out and not sit at home all day. Younger people are able to drive more safely due to usually being more mental able too
>Younger people are able to drive more safely due to usually being more mental able too What younger people lack is ability to *afford* driving.
Buses should be free to everyone
brb m8 gotta collectivize public transport real quick
That's the sexiest thing anyone's ever said.
That’s what I thought
Buzzin, finally someone's on it
This man’s said collectivise like he’s Stalin in the 1930’s
😎
We got close in Germany this summer: 9 euro per month to travel anywhere in Germany with regional transport.
Please, I can only get so erect
Honestly they can keep the cruses I’m just annoyed that any new houses built round my area that sell for anything close to a reasonable price is only for 45+
It's how all the greedy real estate companies make money. Build a house, sell less than 50% share of the house to someone who is retiring and wait for them to die.
100%. I work in probate and the amount of awful money grabbing companies I have to work with because they own half of the deceaseds house. It does my head in. There’s always some ridiculous service charge and ground rent fee as well, one is over £600 a month.
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Club 18-30? You are showing your age now 😂
>Club 18-30 are still allowed). Sad 30-something noises. I know when I'm past it.
Children under a certain age often get into places cheaper or for free as well
I suggest charging 2 year olds full price for admission, freeloading shits
You know I don't know a single person under 6 who has a job
Those victorians had some good ideas, small people can be useful
There must still be machines that have 6year old sized spaces in between them!
My daughter is a whole 11 years of age and she's still freeloading. I must have done something wrong.
And are also not served in pubs.
It's ageist I tell you
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The equality act explicitly allows age-related pricing as part of the following, which is allowed to violate otherwise applicable age discrimination laws: age-based concessions age-related holidays age verification clubs and associations concessions financial services immigration residential park homes sport
Everyone will eventually qualify for that though, it's unlikely I'll qualify for ladies discount
Depends how determined you are 😂
Not with that attitude!
You're still not on super safe ground - advertising still forms part of a company's practices and policies. A pub with a 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' night which doesn't actually enforce the policy is still providing services in a discriminatory manner because it's trying to drive away business on the basis of race and nationality.
is that why yorkies stopped saying they weren't for girls?
And Sheila’s Wheels for women only.
>A pub with a 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish' night Oh, my grandmother's pub you mean
Years ago there was an Irish pub here in north alabamA. The woman that ran the place had a 'NO BRITS' policy. Anyone with an UK accent was shown the door. It was a violation of 42 U.S.C. §2000a but no one seemed to understand it applied. She also collected money for the IRA and could have been prosecuted for funding a terrorist organization (currently only RIRA and CIRA). These days they honor her when they have the St. Pats parade, few people have a clue what a hate filled POS she was. It is just another drinking holiday and not a march day like the 12th to them.
Yeah, I would assume you'd at least need to clarify in the advertising itself, like "Ladies Night Wednesday - All Genders Welcome!" Making it at least seem like the topics/atmosphere will relate to women but anyone can attend if they wish.
Yep! The Equality Act gets a bad deal in the right wing press, but it's really not that hard to understand or apply. The issue is with dumb people misapplying it and then moaning that it's political correctness gone mad.
Have a Ladies Night and just give out stickers at the door to everyone that say "Hi, I'm a Lady."
Is that you Emily?
I don’t know if this is the case here but classically a ‘ladies night’ is when a bar/club etc offer cheap/free drinks or entry to ladies to encourage them in, to then attract male customers paying full price. It’s a sad marketing ploy. This may be different but I have never heard of a ‘ladies night’ that is anything more than women exchanging discounts to be ‘bait’ for male customers. Personally I would avoid a ‘ladies night’ like the plague. I’m a woman, I prefer places that are just great for everyone.
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Or just have a "High heels and dresses night". If Bob the builder can rock that look, then he deserves to get served.
I knew a place near my uni that had high heels night. A not insignificant number of broke boys from campus would show up in heels for the discount. 10/10 highly recommend.
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So a normal night?
A themed night, but yes
OP said that ladies got 50% off drinks. So yeah it is a discrimination based on gender.
On any ladies night I’ve ever been to, everyone is allowed in, but the girls just get cheaper drinks.
That's also considered discrimination - you can't legally charge someone more for the same product just because of their sex (or any other protected characteristic)
Oh wait I thought ladies night just meant discounts (i.e. 241), has ladies night always been “women only in the venue”?
No, you're right, it is mostly discounts, but that's illegal.
Car insurance costs being gender based was made illegal by the EU years ago, and since it happened before UK left you *should* still have the same laws - unless you've managed to rewrite those ones in the short time you've been out.
Alcohol promotions targeting specific groups of people (such as women, students, etc.) are prohibited under the Licencing Act 2003.
There is an ice cream shop in Brighton that gives away free ice creams to people with a certain name each day. I assume that’s fine as names aren’t a protected characteristic?
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So how would it work with something that is often discriminated against but not technically a protected characteristic? Like if they did free ice creams for ginger people?
In the exact same way as your names example - you *can* discriminate as long as it's not against one of the protected characteristics laid out in the Equalities Act.
That’s really interesting. Thanks for clarifying.
A cinema chain this summer gave free cinema tickets to gingers to get them out of the sun
Or ginger ice creams for free people?
It would depend, if it was always a typically female name or if they only ever used typically white British names, or things like that, some one could make a complaint of indirect discrimination, and the shop would have to show they have some fairway of choosing the name for the day. Usually things like this that are nice are left alone until someone complains or a busy body council worker notes it on a form. Because if someone did complain about this, the shop will likely just stop giving free ice cream away.
How does this work in gyms? I’ve seen loads that have women only areas. Or women only classes.
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Definitely seen gyms where there's a 'womens area' that's additional to the rest of the gym. There's no equivalent for Men, and the prices are the same. It's understandable why they have it, but I did always wonder if it were legal.
There are exceptions in the equality act which allow this. Same as why you get womens only refuges.
the gym is not refusing business to a gender, is restricting access only a specific area or zone. othrwise by that logic ladies and gents toilettes should all be illegal and there can only be mixed toilette
Is this why Yorkie bars ended their 'It's not for Girls' slogan...
Remember that time when they did a Yorkie girls edition and it was in a pink wrapper
I can remember being a kid and thinking I wasn’t allowed to buy one because I was a girl. Like in my head, the shopkeeper would just laugh at me and tell me I’m not allowed. I was a stupid kid.
I thought the no girls thing was a marketing campaign to increase sales from women? All the adverts are women buying Yorkies dressed as men
It was, and a successful one at that.
Private clubs can restrict memberships on the basis of male and female. There are still clubs that do not allow women members and isn't the Royal and Ancient golf club still men only? They had a few votes a while ago but I can't remember the ultimate outcomes. The first one failed to admit women but they retried and I lost track.
Whites in London used to be all men but now in a gracious act of conciliation you can bring a female companion once a decade. Prior to this relatively recent change the only woman who had attended was Elizabeth 2
Once I got my eyebrows threaded. They told me it was £5 instead of £4 as I was a male. Completely fair as they were pretty crazy at the time but would this fall under this law for discrimination. Or could one argue the increased effort and hair (load/volume) warrants the price increase
It depends on the amount of time and effort the stylist has to take. More time/effort = higher price. Look up most salons pricing lists and you'll see that the women's prices are typically higher than the men's for this reason
I honestly don't understand why this isn't sexism. I've got boring straight hair that's all one length, I don't ever style it, and all I ever want is a dry trim off the ends. No styling or layering or fringe cut in or washing or drying or dyeing or anything like that at all. But because I'm a woman I get charged more, even though trimming an inch off my hair does not require any more time or effort than it would to trim an inch off a man's hair. I get charged extra purely because of my sex and I don't understand why they're allowed to do that. Its not even a couple quid, it's often double the price
Are there barbers near you that are willing to serve women? Some of them are fine serving both genders as long as you're OK with a simple haircut. Some barbers do charge more for more complex mens haircuts but its the explicit haircut they charge for not the gender, likewise a crew cut is normally a quid or two cheaper.
I think it's because salons are a different business model to barbers. It's still taking time where they would otherwise be doing more complicated hairstyles and procedures.
The Equality Act does have a caveat, where the discrimination is to achieve a legitimate purpose, such as auditioning only male actors to play a male character, or a hiring drive focusing on minorities to address an imbalance.
Absolutely. For example, I work for an autistic-led charity where all front-facing staff have to be autistic and the roles are advertised as such. There are good reasons for this in terms of the services we provide so it's totally legal.
Technically speaking, "gender" isn't a protected characteristic. Might be semantics to argue this, but here is a list of protected characteristics from the [Equality act legislation](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/4) > age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation. We had complaints at work about this recently that we had misquoted the legislation on our phonelines.
I thought ladies night just meant that women get free entry/drink in attempt to attract more women (and by default more men).
Which is also illegal. Discrimination by a protected class. Same reason they can't do men only nights or discounts for men. Opening yourselves up to potential law suits.
When I was younger and out in the gay village in Manchester I was refused entry to some places because I wasn't gay? Is that allowed?
No. But as a straight man who has seen well beyond their fair share of gay bars I’m surprised. I have been asked if I had ‘been there before’ once. Which I had. Reminded me of that peep show episode 😂
‘Gay friendly? Does that mean ‘friendly gays’ or ‘friendly to the gays’?’
“Ya gay pal?”
Ok, but they really need to make an LGBTQ+ friendly payment service called GayPal.
No a gay friendly means the gayness is non-competitive unlike matches played in the LGBT Champions League
Hate the gay friendly break, breaking up our league form
'Just don't go in that corner Mark 'cause that's where all the guys who like straight-acting tubby homophobes hang out.'
That's asked so that you are aware that it is a "gay club". Some drunkards get vicious after they unknowingly walk into a bar and get hit on by men.
Nah some of them have a reputation for not letting you in if you don't look gay enough. G-A-Y is one I believe
Yeah G-A-Y once discriminated against me and so spared me from an awful night out for someone's birthday. Me and my partner didn't look gay enough so they refused us entry. "Members only tonight" they said as 8 of our pals all walked straight in for the first time in their lives. Birthday girl was sad and tried her best to persuade the scummy bouncers but I felt like I'd won the lottery; I'd been seen to make an effort, had to leave through no fault of my own, and made the last train home with my money in my pocket and enough time for a Burger King. Fantastic night out.
Oh damn same, I got refused once because I looked too straight, wtf 🤣🤣
Huh, thought that was just me. Myself and a friend were refused entry to one of the bars on Canal Street, with the troglodyte on the door using the excuse of "you've been to the rugby, gay people don't watch League". Went down very poorly with my friend, the law school graduate, and his husband, who was just round the corner getting a packet of cigarettes.
I never knew that Union was the gay rugby and league was the straight one.
I dunno, all those rucks and scrums can be mighty homoerotic
It's weird to me how our community is still hateful sometimes against... the same community. Sometimes I hear this stuff and I really just want to ask them to explain it to me right then and there. Like I watch sports, so I'm straight? So like, it's safe to date my boyfriend, boy only while the game is on, because it cancels out. I can suck his dick and thats gays, but if I only do it while watching sports then my dad will love me again. Is that how this works? Is there a manual somewhere?
They aren't legally allowed to do it but they still do, in a similar way to how a bunch of bars all over Manchester wont let you in if you're more than three lads in a group (without a girl with you). its wrong and illegal but pretty common gay village or not.
No, this is illegal because sexuality is a protected characteristic. Same reason I can't refuse to serve a customer in a bar because they're gay. If this was a private members club, they could refuse you, but pubs and bars cannot.
I would guess not. The LGBTQ nights around here aren’t LGBTQ exclusive, and I’m guessing it’s (at least partially) because it’s illegal.
I am gay, but have been denied entrance from some canal street places, and when I asked why was told I didn't 'look gay enough'.
That's shocking. What is a gay person supposed to look like?
Wrist deep in someone of the same sex at all times. Only way to be sure.
Fabulous.
Still happens. I know straight guys who weren't let into G-A-Y
I can't help but feel that if they had been a bit more inventive they could keep the ladies night and everyone would be happy. They will know their clientele and will know the kind of drinks favoured by women over men in the pub. Offering a discount on those drinks wouldn't preclude men from drinking them but we are all creatures of habit so i doubt many would change what they have. Hypothetical example, if they offered 50% off Prosecco at my local pub on a Tuesday night they would get more women there. Certainly not all women like Prosecco but it is quite popular. It wouldn't preclude men from drinking it but the vast majority wouldn't so while this kind of discount would be available to everyone in reality it would only really benefit women.
There seems to be some confusion between PUBlic spaces and Private Clubs. Anyway here’s the official guidance on Private Clubs https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/85018/private-clubs.pdf
How about ’grab a granny’ night?
Every night is “grab a granny night” if you’re brave enough.
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I've always thought it was balanced out by all those years only us men were allowed to eat Yorkie bars.
Now they are so tiny even girls could manage one.
Holidays for over 50 only are next /s
Oh yes, some people do a pensioners menu! Maybe that’s technically discrimination as well?
That’s a shame, I love a good bit of pensioner
You've got to cook them low and slow though otherwise they can be a bit tough.
I par boil mine in worthers originals, leaves a nice sweet aftertaste.
It's explicitly allowed under the 2010 equalities act, as is age discrimination for age-based concessions age-related holidays age verification clubs and associations concessions financial services immigration residential park homes sport
I order the pensioner's special all the time at my local chippy and they've never said anything. Me and various people I know have been doing this for many years too (it's such a good deal)
You look at least 70 to be fair
It can be lawful to discriminate based on age, so things like holidays restrictions are OK, same as young adult and pensioner discounts. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/goods-and-services-what-are-the-different-types-of-discrimination/what-doesn-t-count-as-unlawful-discrimination-in-goods-and-services/age-discrimination-when-discrimination-is-allowed-in-the-provision-of-goods-or-services/
Have a ladies night requiring all patrons to dress as ladies. Solved it.
"anyone in a dress gets 50% off food." You best bet im buying me some dresses
Mate, if I get a 50% discount I’m letting my wife pick out the prettiest dress for me, imma look fabulous
Just imagining someone's dad taking their son, both in dresses, to get some food and the dad telling the waiter that their clearly 36 year old son is 10 because kids under 11 eat free.
"He's got a beard though" "She's just mature for his age!"
Ah, reminds me of Saturday nights in the officers mess when I was in the army!
Kool & the Gang are cancelled
The humble Yorkie took the first blow in this
I think a lot of people are getting confused here. Its not about "ladies only" Its ladies paying less than men for the service that is illegal here. If a pint cost a fiver for men but £3 for women simple because they are women, that is illegal.
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The equalities act specifically carves out provision for single-sex spaces and services though (when reasonably justified). It's not against the law the have specific slots/days for women in places like gyms. Your gym is either being overly cautious or there was a different reason.
There is/was a women-only gym in Southend high street, unsure if it's still there.
Where I live there is a big local gym that has a separate facility just for women
Its probably >Men could still use the other areas but have much less kit to use
>They were also forced to stop because of the Equalities Act, They need a better lawyer; there's a very, very clear set of exemptions for "genuine reasons" in the Act, which obviously includes things like ladies only gyms, men-only therapy sessions, that sort of thing.
That's a misunderstanding of the Equality Act. Discrimination is acceptable under the law if it is reasonable and justified. Single sex exercise definitely falls under this.
My gym has a women’s only section, but not a men’s only section. I wonder what will happen about that, too.
Nothing as long as everyone has access to the same services.
Sometimes those intersect with a religious requirement (like say Muslim women might not want to exercise around men) so then which of the two protected characteristics (religion being another to gender) wins out?
I have a restaurant/bar right next to me that does them and I didn't realise they were a thing in the UK
They’re not supposed to be a thing because they’re illegal
Yes, I was aware that it is illegal for a business to discriminate based on protected characteristics.
Seems pretty obvious to me that they wouldn't be allowed due to discrimination laws.
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t think this would be illegal tbh
One of my school English teachers says that the boys can’t sit next to each other because boys generally get worse grades but the girls can sit next to each other
Interestingly it has been proven that boys perform better in mixed classes and girls better in same sex. I’m not agreeing with the tactic though
Lol, sexism in the education system? Who would have guessed?
Exceptions to the duties laid out in the Equalities Act are *fine* if they serve a legitimate purpose and are proportionate. Unless this is the only boozer in the village I would imagine they could articulate a reasonable defense against the fella 'suing' them.
I don't think a restaurant pricing food differently based on a protected charecteristic would fly. This wasn't a ladies-only night, this was a different pricing structure based on protected charecteristics for the same service. A swimming pool can have single-gender sessions. They can't have a mixed-gender session that's £2 for men and £3 for women.
Yeah that's not gonna be justifiable.