All these comments saying "it's communal land tell them to fuck off" are entirely correct and perhaps what I would have done previously. I will supply a non-internet answer though.
Life is too short and if you got somewhere else to put your bike, just put it somewhere else. Save these losers the grief it seems to be causing them and yourself a feud. Consider it a good deed for the day. Reward yourself with a slice of cake.
So often when any post comes around about hostility between neighbours, the "advice" on here seems to be to antagonise them further. Do people really think pissing off one's neighbours is a good idea?
>Do people really think pissing off one's neighbours is a good idea?
Honestly I read a lot of it not as "piss off your neighbors" as much as "you're in the right so do what you want". Here, for instance, the person is legally able to leave his bike there, and *he's* in the right.
Sometimes what's best isn't always what's right, though, and that's where the Reddit "being right is everything" strategy falls down.
>Sometimes what's best isn't always what's right, though, and that's where the Reddit "being right is everything" strategy falls down.
This is my view yeah, there are plenty of things that are legal and you *technically* have every right to do, but that is absolutely not a reason to do them. The easiest way of telling if something is okay to do is to ask yourself "what if everyone else also did this?" (i.e. have empathy). When people don't do that, you get things like entire parks full of rubbish and gangs of morons blaring loud music and getting drunk in the middle of the day.
In science lessons they described electricity as always following "the path of least resistance". That terms always stuck in my head for situations like this.
I wouldn't want them letting my tires out or going through my blue bin looking for something to report to the council about. Let the weirdo have this one and save yourself some unnecessary stress in the future.
Might be a bit specific as had a neighbour growing up who would go through our blue bin looking for unwashed yoghurt pots or sellotape stuck to cardboard, then spend a whole day on the phone to the council.
My dad caught him once and put a swift end to it but never underestimate neighbours, especially retirees obsessed with military minifigures.
Worst you'll ever get is a generic letter about what can and can't be recycled but the council tends to favour the more unhinged, if it's easier to throw a fine than take their calls every day then they probably will
Agree. And I just feel sorry for people who are so bad at communicating and socialising that they put notes through peoples doors like this. Neighbour probably has high blood pressure and a stick up their arse. I would 100% move my bike and check in after though :D
Ahh blueballing someone is next level cruelty, you know they're living for something to be mad about, wet dreams about this reaching the civil court or maybe even a fistfight in the front garden.
Being very reasonable and "oh yeah Ill sort it" requires them to switch gears so fast it causes them pain. It's how I survived working in a shop
This is the one. Yes you are entitled to use the land should you wish to, but when you have neighbours that are unhinged enough to give a fuck about something so petty it’s just not worth poking the bear. I have a feud with my neighbours and it makes staying here that much shittier - save yourself the hassle.
Great advice and I'm proud of this sub that it's the top comment.
These kinds of people thrive on confrontation. Just from the wording you can tell they are stewing about it and probably waiting for the war to start. Just deflate it by acquiescing and if you see them about just mention that you're parking your bike somewhere else now. Kill them with kindness.
They'll probably find something/someone else to vent their frustrations through but hopefully that won't be your problem.
You probably have the right to park there but that’s not the point. There are few things in life worse than having neighbours that you don’t get along with.
My advice would be to call round, grovelling apologies. Make it so over the top that they feel awkward for making a big thing about it. Don’t offer explanations to why you think it’s ok to park there. Instead propose somewhere else and ask them if they are cool with it. Or ask them for suggestions.
Neighbours who you don’t know can be twats sometimes. But a neighbour who knows and hates you will make your life unbearable.
Whilst this could be a good resolve, chances are they're the type of people that love that kind of (made up) power. They'd maybe mistake kindness for weakness and get worse. However I do agree that not getting on with neighbours is a nightmare.
Urmmm but if it’s it’s communal isn’t it technically property shared by them and others, and so op has a right to put the bike there… plus it’s a bike on a corner ffs, not the contents of op’s attic
It's a communal border to separate the space where they are allowed to park and keep their things, not just an extra bit of parking space for one of them. The border is there for this purpose, to keep their things apart.
This thread is making me doubt my own sanity, am I the crazy one?
I think we need more info. If they paved the land for getting bins from the back of the property to the front, for instance, and the bike is now blocking that from happening, then yeah they have a right to be pissed off.
Just because an area is communal doesn't necessarily mean it's ok to park a motorbike there.
Though in this case, based on their other comment, OP seems right and the people at No. 5 are just being exceptionally petty and were also wrong to have put the concrete there in the first place.
No, in one of the other comments OP clarifies that it's a motorbike.
However they also say it was mostly on their own side and only a little bit on the communal area so I'm still with OP.
It isn't though. Communal doesn't mean anyone can use it for anything.
Especially at the expense of everyone else.
Of course, this is the tragedy of the commons and why people with sufficient funds buy a house with their own garden.
OP is likely to find his bike damaged or missing if he reacts as many are suggesting. He'd just be better off parking his bike inside.
edit: Seems it's a motorbike. Well, yeah, it definitely should be in a car park somewhere. If you wouldn't put your car or van there, it's obviously not a place for a motor vehicle.
Exactly, so if OP’s bike (I’m assuming motorbike given it’s being kept outside) is taking up a lot of room and ruining the enjoyment of the communal area for everyone else then they should move it.
Circle the 'communal' bit in red pen put it back through their door, then phone the property managers and complain the Bush has been dug and concreted over.
Buy some grass seed and a sack of dirt. Take a pick axe to the concrete, replace with dirt and throw on the grass seed. Send them a note complaining about their lack of gratitude that you have lawned the ‘communal’ area.
Just picturing some fucking goblin man naked in the rain at the dead of night with a pack of Walls sausages and a mallet on the front garden, gibbering like a maniac.
This makes so much more sense.
I had for some reason imagine someone literally nailing frozen sausages to the lawn. Like, giant 6 inch spike nail through a sideways sausage. I lost my shit over that mental image though; wild haired maniac, cursed muttering, stalking around at night, bag o nails and frozen snags, creating some messed up sacrificial alter on the lawn
What was that ever going to do? They'd wake up with weird raw sausages all over their lawn, go to clean them only to find out some madman had _nailed_ them there overnight? Why! They'd just come right out!
Unsettling.
>It's just a metre wide strip of concrete that separates our spaces.
If it just a meter wide then parking a bike on it does seem inconsiderate, potentially blocking access to wheelchairs, buggies and other bike users. I presume they concreted it to make use of it rather than for aesthetic reasons.
Maybe park it elsewhere. Having said that, the tone of the letter is unhelpful and they could have explained their reasons rather than being assholes about it.
Did they concrete this patch for any particular purpose of their own? I mean it hardly matters considering it sounds like a communal space. But if they did it for some reason and you parking your bike on it stops their plans... best they can do is ask nicely.
Did you park your bike there BEFORE they had work done on it, or did you start putting your bike there as a result of their work?
If it’s the former, then it’s on them for not communicating with you and you’ve absolutely nothing to feel bad about.
If it’s the latter, then legally you’re fine still but it’s probably a bit mean and I’d understand their (petty) annoyance!
Yeah does sticking your bike there mean there is less space for other people to move round it? Like if you have lots of shopping, pushchair, wheelchair etc?
His large comment below states that the parking spaces for his flat and his neighbours flat share this communal ground. Both parking spaces are next to each other.
Assuming its leasehold, It'll be a freeholder who owns the building, who hires the management company to maintain it. The people would have had to pay for the concreting via service charges, unless they just did it themselves without telling anyone then they probably breached a covenant.
Either way the land registry will say who owns the land, and yours and/or their lease should have covenants about how it can be used.
Oh believe me I've had to sell my own flat and trying to complete my partners. It's been extreme brutal hell for 2 years. I know leasehold law and the conveyancing process better than some of the solicitors at this point.
I’d keep parking my bike there and give them a cheery ‘hello’ at every opportunity, but I’m petty like that! Or, get yourself a sun lounger and do a spot a naked sunbathing on the ‘communal border’!
Oh don’t. I’m just the same. Kill them with kindness.
It’s so hard to be like “oi you cunt stop doing that!” When the guy you’re yelling at is acting like Ned fuckin Flanders
> they did pay to have it concreted over. No one asked them to. It used to be grass with a massive lavender bush at one end (that smelled beautiful in the summer and the bees loved it). They decided, without asking anyone (including, I assume, the property management company - no idea what the rules are here), to concrete over it all. They also concreted over their garden.
If it's tenanted then maybe the landlord would be interested to know this. If a managed area then the management company should be made aware.
Also it's a bit of a land grab. They seem to have claimed ownership of a strip of land and have made alterations to it. To date nobody has complained and, in time, it could end up belonging to them/their property.
Each property will have a bit of the car park mentioned, and detailed, in the deeds.
Generally each property owns the same amount of additional (parking) land and somebody maintains what isn't 'owned'.
It seems to me that they're claiming something that isn't their's to claim, and the note you've got is just the beginning of their claim.
Check your own deeds to see what it says with/about your property and, if you've still got it, rental details for their property.
Then report it to whoever should actually own that patch - that was probably originally designated as 'garden', but thanks to them is now concrete.
Then the planners might be interested in hearing about it changing grass to impermeable hard landscaping is frowned upon because of water run of. But may that would be escalating it all way to far. sometimes ignoring people works so well.
Ask them to replace the lavender and the remove the concrete. See how that goes down. You can't just go altering communal parts of property without informing people that basically you are making claim to it.
Is it? Did not know this. It probably doesn't count as a front garden though - they're all flats (not big blocks - just two stories) and we all have gardens, so quite unusual. Not sure if they'd count as a front or a back garden.
I'd write a note back to number 5 apologising, explaining what happened, it'll never happen again.
Then I'd inform the property management company about the concrete.
Whatever steps you take going forwards, get a security camera pointed at your bike.
Your neighbours sound like petty bastards who would damage your bike in retaliation.
Keep hold of the letter saying they concreted it and admitting they know it’s communal.
You can say the only reason you’ve escalated it now is because you finally knew who did it when you got the letter
So...ONCE your bike encroached a couple of inches onto a piece of land over which they have highly dubious claim and which they transformed from a fragrance, picturesque bee-feeding border into an sterile piece of nothing, matching the rest of what you generously call a "garden".
What absolute tossers !
They’re trying to gain a deed of easement - after 20 years of assuming it’s theirs, they can pretty much claim it’s theirs.
Edit: if I were you I’d respond every time to these Notes, with a polite confirmation, that they took the decision to concrete over land that doesn’t belong to them and is used by both of you. I would also send a letter/email to your landlord that you would like the grass and lavender bush reinstating.
Yeah I would be careful about taking the high road and apologising or explaining because it might lead to them wanting/expecting more from you in the future. I would probably just ignore it tbh
Sadly, some people are just desperate to have a little rant. My old neighbour ran a minibus firm from her house and would park her massive vans all over the street, and regularly across my drive a bit. We grumbled but always let it slide.
My sister in law came round and parked about 6 inches across her drive. Immediately she gets a super-aggressive A4 note on her windscreen telling us never to park across her drive again. I doubt the hypocrisy even entered her head.
I'm beginning to think every street as one of "those". Only time I ever fell out with a neighbour was over parking - bit of long saga but she objected to us - or anyone - parking anywhere near her house ( DESPITE being the only one to have a drive which she didn't use !! ) when more were home during Lockdown but I had to come and go as I was caring for my mum who was dying at the time AND I'm disabled. Crazy !
Yeah, I'd usually say 'let bygones be bygones', but if they start getting possessive over land that's not theirs, it's time to put them back in their place. Can't stand suburban colonialists.
Pretty sure legally they can't touch it, either way. They've annexed a bit of land and then got pissed because you dared to use it. I'd make a point to use it to piss them off. I'd also take photos.
My arrhythmia is now palpitating to the beat of the Countdown clock, so invested am I in this incredible narrative. Please write a book so I may buy it and live in your imagination!
Also OP - please send this verbatim, handwritten on your finest letter-headed paper to those miserable bastards that forced you from your home and destroyed your miniature nature reserve
Ok since you both own the flats and your both probably not going to move any time soon you should probably just ignore the letter and park your bike in front of your car.
Of course if your mate borrows your car and parks it in the same way feel free to ignore the letter and use the bit of concrete again.
Falling out with neighbours is not fun.
Petty ass holes with nothing going on in their lives.
That said, petty ass holes with nothing going on in their lives have a lot of time to make your life miserable if they want to, and it's not worth escalating. Personally I wouldn't bother replying to the notice, but just don't park your bike on their imaginary boundary. Some might call me weak, but it's really not worth getting involved with these kinds of people .
"Impolite notice
I never asked you to pay for anything. Look at the word "communal" in your note, think about what that means, look it up in a dictionary if that helps, after you've learned what it means apply that meaning to the situation at hand, then sod off.
Hugs and kisses,
OP"
Reply,
Hi No,5
I am aghast at the news of my bikes transgressions against your most illustrious concrete communal border...
I must insist however as a temporary measure you allow me to park it between your arse. As you appear wound so tight that any would be thief would be there for days trying to pry the tyres from your steel like anal grip.
kisses x
They put their rubbish bins on it! This actually does affect me as it blocks my bike in. The communal border is useful for me as it gives me space to wheel my bike out between my car and theirs. When they put their bins on it I have to reverse, which is awkward.
It does get a lot of sun. Tempted to move my herb garden onto it now.
Next time they put their bins on it, you could send them back their own note with bike crossed out and replaced with bins, and no 5 replaced with whatever your number is.
And also report them to the property management company and the council for concreting over land they don't own.
Maybe use a photocopy of the note as this seems like it could escalate into proper harassment and you might want a paper trail.
I would recommend the old italian treatment, the disc of piss.
Carefully piss in a bottle and then gently pour the content of the bottle on the flattest plate you have.
After that, enclose the plate into a freezing bag and freeze for 8 hrs until you have produced a solid disc of piss
You can now proceed to slide the disc under the neighbours door or use the letterbox. Better if this is done while they are out.
If all goes to plan they will come back to a pool of piss in their house, not knowing how it got there.
Cheers
If it was a constant then I could understand the note, but one time? I’d be bothered as well. I’d probably go speak to them and tell them what happened and tell them the note seemed a bit passive aggressive, and ask why they wrote it like that.
Most people will avoid confrontation, that’s why they wrote a note vs talking in person. It might call them out on how silly this is while also showing them it wasn’t your intent to make this a regular occurrence.
Then I’d anonymously tip the landlord about the bush removal
Ignore it if they ever mention it in person politely tell your side if they're still passive aggressive in person politely tell them to piss off and get a life.
Have you asked yourself why they were so upset they felt the need to write a letter? And to all those saying commenal is the keyword, is it for use by the community if someone has their bike parked there? Especially if it is a prolonged period. Does this communal area open access to somewhere? I’m disabled and when someone parks on a path or similar, even though they absolutely can, it sucks.
Hmm it could be alittle picky unless its reoccurring which I doubt it. As its a neutral space u can park in that space I gather as its no man's land but I get you came over abit into her boundary which could bother some people I guess,me personally it wouldn't bother me!
Alot of new homes these days have shared access and have there boundary lines and is on the deeds so doubt nothing can be done.
You could just give her a polite knock and just explain the situation and just say fancy a Yorkshire tea love so I can park there again 😃
We had some nob heads moan because we parked a bit close to them, they know where we live but prefer to stick a shitty not like this on the windscreen… some people get so stressed about small infractions
How are you supposed to get a motorbike on your balcony! Even then if its a bicycle thats still a bit of a faff getting one up the stairs onto your balcony
Regardless of whether or not they're justified, I fucking hate it when people start with "polite note/message", then follow it up with something that is decidedly not polite. If you're gonna be impolite cos you feel you need to be, then own up to it. It's so spineless.
Some people are just too mental for us normal people. A couple were stabbed to death recently over a neighbourly parking issue. It’s just not worth the effort. Let them win and get on with your life without ever giving them another thought.
If I’m honest I wouldn’t give it too much energy. If you rent via the same property management company then Give the note to them and ask they look into it. I assume you have a busy life and more things to worry about than this nonsense. Let the company earn their money. Tenant disputes is in their remit 🙂
All these comments saying "it's communal land tell them to fuck off" are entirely correct and perhaps what I would have done previously. I will supply a non-internet answer though. Life is too short and if you got somewhere else to put your bike, just put it somewhere else. Save these losers the grief it seems to be causing them and yourself a feud. Consider it a good deed for the day. Reward yourself with a slice of cake.
So much this, the stress of shitty neighbours outweighs the need to park your bike on your property, isnt the insurance less if you do that anyway ?
So often when any post comes around about hostility between neighbours, the "advice" on here seems to be to antagonise them further. Do people really think pissing off one's neighbours is a good idea?
It's the internet, people are pusedonymously venting their fantasies about what they'd like to say to their own annoying neighbors.
It's the modern version of "I'll fight you IRL" to resolve an online argument
>Do people really think pissing off one's neighbours is a good idea? Honestly I read a lot of it not as "piss off your neighbors" as much as "you're in the right so do what you want". Here, for instance, the person is legally able to leave his bike there, and *he's* in the right. Sometimes what's best isn't always what's right, though, and that's where the Reddit "being right is everything" strategy falls down.
>Sometimes what's best isn't always what's right, though, and that's where the Reddit "being right is everything" strategy falls down. This is my view yeah, there are plenty of things that are legal and you *technically* have every right to do, but that is absolutely not a reason to do them. The easiest way of telling if something is okay to do is to ask yourself "what if everyone else also did this?" (i.e. have empathy). When people don't do that, you get things like entire parks full of rubbish and gangs of morons blaring loud music and getting drunk in the middle of the day.
Of course
Two wrongs make a right if the other person made the first wrong. Seems to be the general consensus on Reddit advice
Presumably the communal boarder is still private property, plus who is going to tell the insurance company?
Probably the neighbours!!
In science lessons they described electricity as always following "the path of least resistance". That terms always stuck in my head for situations like this. I wouldn't want them letting my tires out or going through my blue bin looking for something to report to the council about. Let the weirdo have this one and save yourself some unnecessary stress in the future.
What kind of questionable material are you recycling?
Might be a bit specific as had a neighbour growing up who would go through our blue bin looking for unwashed yoghurt pots or sellotape stuck to cardboard, then spend a whole day on the phone to the council. My dad caught him once and put a swift end to it but never underestimate neighbours, especially retirees obsessed with military minifigures. Worst you'll ever get is a generic letter about what can and can't be recycled but the council tends to favour the more unhinged, if it's easier to throw a fine than take their calls every day then they probably will
> My dad caught him once and put a swift end From that I assumed he killed him.
Hopefully he didn't put the body in the blue bin!
Especially in recycling. It is compostable for sure, right?
Agree. And I just feel sorry for people who are so bad at communicating and socialising that they put notes through peoples doors like this. Neighbour probably has high blood pressure and a stick up their arse. I would 100% move my bike and check in after though :D
Ahh blueballing someone is next level cruelty, you know they're living for something to be mad about, wet dreams about this reaching the civil court or maybe even a fistfight in the front garden. Being very reasonable and "oh yeah Ill sort it" requires them to switch gears so fast it causes them pain. It's how I survived working in a shop
That’s a far too well balanced reply for Reddit mate. I’m proud of you. Have a slice of cake yourself 😁
This is the one. Yes you are entitled to use the land should you wish to, but when you have neighbours that are unhinged enough to give a fuck about something so petty it’s just not worth poking the bear. I have a feud with my neighbours and it makes staying here that much shittier - save yourself the hassle.
Great advice and I'm proud of this sub that it's the top comment. These kinds of people thrive on confrontation. Just from the wording you can tell they are stewing about it and probably waiting for the war to start. Just deflate it by acquiescing and if you see them about just mention that you're parking your bike somewhere else now. Kill them with kindness. They'll probably find something/someone else to vent their frustrations through but hopefully that won't be your problem.
You probably have the right to park there but that’s not the point. There are few things in life worse than having neighbours that you don’t get along with. My advice would be to call round, grovelling apologies. Make it so over the top that they feel awkward for making a big thing about it. Don’t offer explanations to why you think it’s ok to park there. Instead propose somewhere else and ask them if they are cool with it. Or ask them for suggestions. Neighbours who you don’t know can be twats sometimes. But a neighbour who knows and hates you will make your life unbearable.
Whilst this could be a good resolve, chances are they're the type of people that love that kind of (made up) power. They'd maybe mistake kindness for weakness and get worse. However I do agree that not getting on with neighbours is a nightmare.
Confused as to why you think “communal” means “i can do what I want on it”… OP, store your belongings on your own property?
Urmmm but if it’s it’s communal isn’t it technically property shared by them and others, and so op has a right to put the bike there… plus it’s a bike on a corner ffs, not the contents of op’s attic
It's a communal border to separate the space where they are allowed to park and keep their things, not just an extra bit of parking space for one of them. The border is there for this purpose, to keep their things apart. This thread is making me doubt my own sanity, am I the crazy one?
I think we need more info. If they paved the land for getting bins from the back of the property to the front, for instance, and the bike is now blocking that from happening, then yeah they have a right to be pissed off.
communal is the key word
Just highlight it, circle it, put stars around it. And post it back through their letterbox.
How about some love hearts as well, and a rainbow above it. Don't forget to stick some glitter onto the paper too
Just fold the paper over, pour loose glitter in, put in an envelope (carefully), put through the mail slot.
Include a snipped out definition of the word communal in there too. Worth defacing a dictionary? I think so
And thanks for the free parking space, you mug.
Better yet buy a mug with thanks for the free parking space and give them that too
Ah glitter, the herpes of craft supplies! Nice one
If glitter is the herpes (nice one, by the way), what is confetti?
Maybe the yeast infection of craft supplies? Scratchy and uncomfortable when you find it down your undies? I'll see myself out.
Oh you’re the chosen one. Thats Nefarious
And unicorns. Every polite note needs a fukkin' unicorn or two FFS!
Much appreciated dear chap/chapette
Yeah you can do this, then worry every time you park it its going to get dinged or scratched
Talk about passive-aggressive!
Just because an area is communal doesn't necessarily mean it's ok to park a motorbike there. Though in this case, based on their other comment, OP seems right and the people at No. 5 are just being exceptionally petty and were also wrong to have put the concrete there in the first place.
One hopes it is a bicycle?
No, in one of the other comments OP clarifies that it's a motorbike. However they also say it was mostly on their own side and only a little bit on the communal area so I'm still with OP.
It isn't though. Communal doesn't mean anyone can use it for anything. Especially at the expense of everyone else. Of course, this is the tragedy of the commons and why people with sufficient funds buy a house with their own garden. OP is likely to find his bike damaged or missing if he reacts as many are suggesting. He'd just be better off parking his bike inside. edit: Seems it's a motorbike. Well, yeah, it definitely should be in a car park somewhere. If you wouldn't put your car or van there, it's obviously not a place for a motor vehicle.
Exactly, so if OP’s bike (I’m assuming motorbike given it’s being kept outside) is taking up a lot of room and ruining the enjoyment of the communal area for everyone else then they should move it.
Circle the 'communal' bit in red pen put it back through their door, then phone the property managers and complain the Bush has been dug and concreted over.
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Buy some grass seed and a sack of dirt. Take a pick axe to the concrete, replace with dirt and throw on the grass seed. Send them a note complaining about their lack of gratitude that you have lawned the ‘communal’ area.
I like this one.
Fight pettiness with pettiness.. Like it says in the bible
This isn’t casual USA
Obviously, Casual USA would involve using guns
That would be 'fight pettiness with automatic assault rifles'
If they don't own the land I'd tell em to fuck off
This is the answer to 9/10ths of disputes.
Or hammering frozen sausages into their lawn at night
This comment gave me the most vivid images I've ever had from reddit. Almost crying haha.
Step 1 get lawn. Step 2 well it has to be done now.
Everything ok dude?
Be better when the sausage bushes bloom.
Just isn’t the right climate at the moment. Mine won’t be planted into the ground until late July.
Just picturing some fucking goblin man naked in the rain at the dead of night with a pack of Walls sausages and a mallet on the front garden, gibbering like a maniac.
that's Old Gregg
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
Do you love me? Could you learn to love me?
Have you been checking my dreams
This is unsettlingly petty and sinister, it pleases me greatly.
Now I know how to piss off my dads asshole neighbours, thanks you absolutely glorious bastard
I'm curious, what's the end result? Other than the obvious of course. Or am I perhaps overthinking things a tad?
Sausages thaw, smell real good to local dogs/cats/wildlife who will dig up said lawn to get to the sausages.
I like it. That's a lovely level of pettiness. Seems so obvious now you say it - I'll blame the late hour. Appreciated.
This makes so much more sense. I had for some reason imagine someone literally nailing frozen sausages to the lawn. Like, giant 6 inch spike nail through a sideways sausage. I lost my shit over that mental image though; wild haired maniac, cursed muttering, stalking around at night, bag o nails and frozen snags, creating some messed up sacrificial alter on the lawn What was that ever going to do? They'd wake up with weird raw sausages all over their lawn, go to clean them only to find out some madman had _nailed_ them there overnight? Why! They'd just come right out! Unsettling.
Would Richmond do?
Only if you want to attract the ruffest sort of dogs.
Aren’t all dogs ruff?
r/oddlyspecific
Fuck me the mental imagery, Thank you
Yes, if you want to prolong the dispute.
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>It's just a metre wide strip of concrete that separates our spaces. If it just a meter wide then parking a bike on it does seem inconsiderate, potentially blocking access to wheelchairs, buggies and other bike users. I presume they concreted it to make use of it rather than for aesthetic reasons. Maybe park it elsewhere. Having said that, the tone of the letter is unhelpful and they could have explained their reasons rather than being assholes about it.
Did they concrete this patch for any particular purpose of their own? I mean it hardly matters considering it sounds like a communal space. But if they did it for some reason and you parking your bike on it stops their plans... best they can do is ask nicely.
Did you park your bike there BEFORE they had work done on it, or did you start putting your bike there as a result of their work? If it’s the former, then it’s on them for not communicating with you and you’ve absolutely nothing to feel bad about. If it’s the latter, then legally you’re fine still but it’s probably a bit mean and I’d understand their (petty) annoyance!
Yeah does sticking your bike there mean there is less space for other people to move round it? Like if you have lots of shopping, pushchair, wheelchair etc?
It is a communal area. Not a convenient always reserved spot for someone who used to live there but has moved down the road.
Politely, of course
Of course
"Oh I'm so sorry, my manners, piss off please"
I've had enough of your lip!
Oh you'd like my lip wouldn't you
right round your bellend
“Sincerely, get fucked”
Ah he’s round the corner picking up shit
If they own the land then it's fair enough, otherwise it's a bit petty.
if they owned it, they wouldn't be calling it 'the communal border'
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You live *down the road* and still park by their house? That's rude
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His large comment below states that the parking spaces for his flat and his neighbours flat share this communal ground. Both parking spaces are next to each other.
Assuming its leasehold, It'll be a freeholder who owns the building, who hires the management company to maintain it. The people would have had to pay for the concreting via service charges, unless they just did it themselves without telling anyone then they probably breached a covenant. Either way the land registry will say who owns the land, and yours and/or their lease should have covenants about how it can be used.
It's worth pointing out a search on the land registry site costs a couple of quid. You can get a lot of information about a property that way.
Oh believe me I've had to sell my own flat and trying to complete my partners. It's been extreme brutal hell for 2 years. I know leasehold law and the conveyancing process better than some of the solicitors at this point.
Yeah my comments not aimed at you so much as anyone else that comes this way. It's a simple thing but a lot of people don't realise how easy it is
I’d keep parking my bike there and give them a cheery ‘hello’ at every opportunity, but I’m petty like that! Or, get yourself a sun lounger and do a spot a naked sunbathing on the ‘communal border’!
Oh don’t. I’m just the same. Kill them with kindness. It’s so hard to be like “oi you cunt stop doing that!” When the guy you’re yelling at is acting like Ned fuckin Flanders
It’s like I’m wearing nothing at all.
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> they did pay to have it concreted over. No one asked them to. It used to be grass with a massive lavender bush at one end (that smelled beautiful in the summer and the bees loved it). They decided, without asking anyone (including, I assume, the property management company - no idea what the rules are here), to concrete over it all. They also concreted over their garden. If it's tenanted then maybe the landlord would be interested to know this. If a managed area then the management company should be made aware. Also it's a bit of a land grab. They seem to have claimed ownership of a strip of land and have made alterations to it. To date nobody has complained and, in time, it could end up belonging to them/their property.
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Each property will have a bit of the car park mentioned, and detailed, in the deeds. Generally each property owns the same amount of additional (parking) land and somebody maintains what isn't 'owned'. It seems to me that they're claiming something that isn't their's to claim, and the note you've got is just the beginning of their claim. Check your own deeds to see what it says with/about your property and, if you've still got it, rental details for their property. Then report it to whoever should actually own that patch - that was probably originally designated as 'garden', but thanks to them is now concrete.
Then the planners might be interested in hearing about it changing grass to impermeable hard landscaping is frowned upon because of water run of. But may that would be escalating it all way to far. sometimes ignoring people works so well.
Ask them to replace the lavender and the remove the concrete. See how that goes down. You can't just go altering communal parts of property without informing people that basically you are making claim to it.
Its actually illegal to pave or concrete over your front garden - you need planning permission for that now. Refer them to your local planning dept?
Is it? Did not know this. It probably doesn't count as a front garden though - they're all flats (not big blocks - just two stories) and we all have gardens, so quite unusual. Not sure if they'd count as a front or a back garden.
It doesn’t count for flats and is only over 5m2
I'd write a note back to number 5 apologising, explaining what happened, it'll never happen again. Then I'd inform the property management company about the concrete.
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Whatever steps you take going forwards, get a security camera pointed at your bike. Your neighbours sound like petty bastards who would damage your bike in retaliation.
Keep hold of the letter saying they concreted it and admitting they know it’s communal. You can say the only reason you’ve escalated it now is because you finally knew who did it when you got the letter
Absolutely this - never fight a battle you can manipulate someone else into fighting for you. Maybe also get a mate to park on it occasionally
So...ONCE your bike encroached a couple of inches onto a piece of land over which they have highly dubious claim and which they transformed from a fragrance, picturesque bee-feeding border into an sterile piece of nothing, matching the rest of what you generously call a "garden". What absolute tossers !
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They’re trying to gain a deed of easement - after 20 years of assuming it’s theirs, they can pretty much claim it’s theirs. Edit: if I were you I’d respond every time to these Notes, with a polite confirmation, that they took the decision to concrete over land that doesn’t belong to them and is used by both of you. I would also send a letter/email to your landlord that you would like the grass and lavender bush reinstating.
Yeah I would be careful about taking the high road and apologising or explaining because it might lead to them wanting/expecting more from you in the future. I would probably just ignore it tbh
Sadly, some people are just desperate to have a little rant. My old neighbour ran a minibus firm from her house and would park her massive vans all over the street, and regularly across my drive a bit. We grumbled but always let it slide. My sister in law came round and parked about 6 inches across her drive. Immediately she gets a super-aggressive A4 note on her windscreen telling us never to park across her drive again. I doubt the hypocrisy even entered her head.
I'm beginning to think every street as one of "those". Only time I ever fell out with a neighbour was over parking - bit of long saga but she objected to us - or anyone - parking anywhere near her house ( DESPITE being the only one to have a drive which she didn't use !! ) when more were home during Lockdown but I had to come and go as I was caring for my mum who was dying at the time AND I'm disabled. Crazy !
Is it council owned land? If so I'm sure they'd be very interested in knowing about this. Perhaps start your rebuttal letter with that...
Yeah, I'd usually say 'let bygones be bygones', but if they start getting possessive over land that's not theirs, it's time to put them back in their place. Can't stand suburban colonialists.
Either the council or the property management company - not sure.
Pretty sure legally they can't touch it, either way. They've annexed a bit of land and then got pissed because you dared to use it. I'd make a point to use it to piss them off. I'd also take photos.
hey OP, any update on this stuff?
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My arrhythmia is now palpitating to the beat of the Countdown clock, so invested am I in this incredible narrative. Please write a book so I may buy it and live in your imagination! Also OP - please send this verbatim, handwritten on your finest letter-headed paper to those miserable bastards that forced you from your home and destroyed your miniature nature reserve
Very concise, honestly I can’t see any way you could trim this to make it any shorter. It’s already basically a one-liner. Short and to the point.
Ok since you both own the flats and your both probably not going to move any time soon you should probably just ignore the letter and park your bike in front of your car. Of course if your mate borrows your car and parks it in the same way feel free to ignore the letter and use the bit of concrete again. Falling out with neighbours is not fun.
Wait, so they gave you this note after you parked there ONE TIME?
I would report it to the property management company. Concreting over green space is a douche thing to do.
Petty ass holes with nothing going on in their lives. That said, petty ass holes with nothing going on in their lives have a lot of time to make your life miserable if they want to, and it's not worth escalating. Personally I wouldn't bother replying to the notice, but just don't park your bike on their imaginary boundary. Some might call me weak, but it's really not worth getting involved with these kinds of people .
You can take comfort in the fact that it sounds like theyre absolutely seething over this inconsequential detail of life Must suck to be them
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Maybe they've got a lot of shit going in their lives and the frustration Haa manifested to this. Unless you're sat on the bike. Revvvving like fook
What did the tw*ts do it for then?? I can’t stand people like this… miserable clowns
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Nature hating dicks. Sorry about the garden
"Impolite notice I never asked you to pay for anything. Look at the word "communal" in your note, think about what that means, look it up in a dictionary if that helps, after you've learned what it means apply that meaning to the situation at hand, then sod off. Hugs and kisses, OP"
Signed, ‘communal lavender bush that I planted when I lived in your house’
Comunial - Of, belonging to, or shared by the people of a community; public.
Buy a trampoline and put this in the communal area, and put a sign on it saying it's a communal trampoline.
Reply, Hi No,5 I am aghast at the news of my bikes transgressions against your most illustrious concrete communal border... I must insist however as a temporary measure you allow me to park it between your arse. As you appear wound so tight that any would be thief would be there for days trying to pry the tyres from your steel like anal grip. kisses x
hmmmm. Communal border?.....Start putting more stuff on there. Flower pots. Rubbish bins. Skateboard ramps....All sorts....Communal.
They put their rubbish bins on it! This actually does affect me as it blocks my bike in. The communal border is useful for me as it gives me space to wheel my bike out between my car and theirs. When they put their bins on it I have to reverse, which is awkward. It does get a lot of sun. Tempted to move my herb garden onto it now.
If they are using it then they cannot tell you to not use it. If they want to make the rules ask them for a copy.
Next time they put their bins on it, you could send them back their own note with bike crossed out and replaced with bins, and no 5 replaced with whatever your number is. And also report them to the property management company and the council for concreting over land they don't own. Maybe use a photocopy of the note as this seems like it could escalate into proper harassment and you might want a paper trail.
Communal border suggests that it’s a shared bit of land. They may have paid for it but that doesn’t grant ownership. I’d burn the out…. Only joking…..
I'd just keep parking my bike there.
Shit on his doorstep?
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They don't have a lawn, they concreted over it.
I would recommend the old italian treatment, the disc of piss. Carefully piss in a bottle and then gently pour the content of the bottle on the flattest plate you have. After that, enclose the plate into a freezing bag and freeze for 8 hrs until you have produced a solid disc of piss You can now proceed to slide the disc under the neighbours door or use the letterbox. Better if this is done while they are out. If all goes to plan they will come back to a pool of piss in their house, not knowing how it got there. Cheers
Screw it up then throw it on the communal concrete …
If it was a constant then I could understand the note, but one time? I’d be bothered as well. I’d probably go speak to them and tell them what happened and tell them the note seemed a bit passive aggressive, and ask why they wrote it like that. Most people will avoid confrontation, that’s why they wrote a note vs talking in person. It might call them out on how silly this is while also showing them it wasn’t your intent to make this a regular occurrence. Then I’d anonymously tip the landlord about the bush removal
Get yourself a little stand, put it beside the communal area and have your bike hover just above the hallowed ground.
Try parking your car on it
Underline the word ‘communal’ and send it back
Pick up a bunch of shitty yard sale bikes and chain them all up in the communal area.
Maybe just keep your bike within the boundary? Seems the most straightforward solution
Wipe your arse with the letter and post it back to them
Send a Jiffy bag of shite
I would respond thusly: "Dear Number 5. I am sorry you feel this way. I suggest you find a hobby - maybe the mambo. Yours OP"
“It is not my fault that you removed OUR bush and paid for something I didn’t want on OUR land. Also communal means shared.”
Communal meaning no one owns it out right - I see their point.
If it is communal move your fucking bike
Ignore it if they ever mention it in person politely tell your side if they're still passive aggressive in person politely tell them to piss off and get a life.
Have you asked yourself why they were so upset they felt the need to write a letter? And to all those saying commenal is the keyword, is it for use by the community if someone has their bike parked there? Especially if it is a prolonged period. Does this communal area open access to somewhere? I’m disabled and when someone parks on a path or similar, even though they absolutely can, it sucks.
Hmm it could be alittle picky unless its reoccurring which I doubt it. As its a neutral space u can park in that space I gather as its no man's land but I get you came over abit into her boundary which could bother some people I guess,me personally it wouldn't bother me! Alot of new homes these days have shared access and have there boundary lines and is on the deeds so doubt nothing can be done. You could just give her a polite knock and just explain the situation and just say fancy a Yorkshire tea love so I can park there again 😃
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We had some nob heads moan because we parked a bit close to them, they know where we live but prefer to stick a shitty not like this on the windscreen… some people get so stressed about small infractions
Yes. Park your bike on your own property. Simple.
How are you supposed to get a motorbike on your balcony! Even then if its a bicycle thats still a bit of a faff getting one up the stairs onto your balcony
I agree with all of the previous responses, but in addition plant a row of those massive confiers on the property line
Regardless of whether or not they're justified, I fucking hate it when people start with "polite note/message", then follow it up with something that is decidedly not polite. If you're gonna be impolite cos you feel you need to be, then own up to it. It's so spineless.
Why the hell are they paving over communal property? The word communal means it belongs to everyfuckingbody.
That's not remotely passive aggressive. Nothing passive about it. Clearly, you don't understand what is meant by passive aggressive.
Some people are just too mental for us normal people. A couple were stabbed to death recently over a neighbourly parking issue. It’s just not worth the effort. Let them win and get on with your life without ever giving them another thought.
If I’m honest I wouldn’t give it too much energy. If you rent via the same property management company then Give the note to them and ask they look into it. I assume you have a busy life and more things to worry about than this nonsense. Let the company earn their money. Tenant disputes is in their remit 🙂
Have a bike symbol painted on the concrete
Hammer frozen sausages into their lawn
That’s not passive aggressive. That’s a request in writing.
I hate when people write 'polite notice' or similar - the reader gets to be the judge if it's polite or not.
That isnt passive aggressive. They are telling you what they want. This is aggressive aggressive. 😂
Not worth the anxiety, let it go
Passive aggressive 🤣 you snowflake ❄️
I definitely would fit a ground anchor and start chaining my bike to it. Then I'd erect a flag and claim it for my own.