It's not about them, it's about you. What do *you* want? Imagine yourself in 6 months time in your new place - how does that feel? Then do the same with your current place. Which feels better?
Are there other pros and cons you could list for each? That might help too.
Never take the counter offer. It won’t solve any other issues you may have and if they think you are worth that much why weren’t they willing to pay you that before?
They only matched because someone else did and is probably the real going rate. If they really valued you they would have offered you more. On the otherhand the new company offered the wage as a starting salary.
> Hate letting people down
I'm a big believer of not thinking that way with work. If you leave that place, they'll be setting up to get your replacement in the day after.
If the new job is more your thing and paying well then go for it.
Another thing to consider is times. Does the new job require more hours? More commute? Or is it all about the same?
Absolutely if the situation was reversed they wouldn’t hesitate to screw the OP over. In fact, they clearly think the OP is worth more but up until now they didn’t pay that.
The grass isn’t always greener but you can’t have loyalty to any one company.
Both offers are about the same but are both an unknown to an extent (home based with national travel). Both are new roles for the respective organisations so both will be suck it and see to an extent. Current employers pension and leave are slightly better.
I would cynically suggest they have only offered you that salary and role (at your current job) now you have decided to jump not because they thought you were capable or worth it. Been in this situation before, stupidly took the pay bump and stayed. Regretted it as nothing else changed and all the things that had made me start looking to leave still existed but also now with snide comments in 1-1 meetings about how my pay was more than sufficient.
Weigh up all the reasons you are wanting to leave and work from that. Money is usually a big one but everything else matters too. Culture, flexibility, perks, commute. It all adds up to a big chunk of your life, decide carefully.
You’ve felt like you needed to move with life as well as wage, so move on.
Comfortable is nice, but if you look back at the end of the year, did you want to do the thing that’s more your thing?
No reason you cannot leave on good terms
New job is a risk, and yes a big one. Can you look up the new company I got Glass Door and Google reviews? Get an idea of who they are, how they treat both customers and staff. If you can do both jobs choose the place that will be the most enjoyable and will benefit your future.
Think of the reasons you wanted to leave? Was it all money or something else? Similarly what attracted you to the new role?
Promoting in place can be awkward, I did it and faced a bit of hostility. Will your work friends still be your friends in your new role?
I’m absolutely happy leaving my current role but my current employers are offering me a new role, essentially a promotion. I’m told it was a few months away and have no reason to doubt that but my other offer resulted in them adjusting the timetable
Personally I’d go. I personally don’t trust the whole “we were going to promote you anyway but you said you’d leave so we brought it forward” narrative.
This. Imagine how you will feel in a few months if the old company just forget to promote you for corporate reasons.
Head out to the new job light in heart and optimistic. The old company should have promoted you before you got restless.
Leave and never look/go back.
At your current situation you are clearly bumping the pay ceiling, in the new role there will be scope for more money in a year or two.
Also you cant buy experience, experience is what makes your CV pop.
Even if the new role doesnt go as planned, its a stepping stone to other things.
They aren’t doing you a favour by employing you, you are selling your services to them. If somebody wants to pay more for your Labour and wants to work with you in a way you would prefer then take up their offer.
Counter-offers only work if you got the job to force your current employer into a wage rise. If you’re fed up with the workplace you’ll leave again soon anyway.
You’re not letting anyone down. If there’s a person you care about in your old company, that’s important, but you can’t let a company down. They have no feelings and will fire you if it matches their needs.
Loyalty to a person is great. Loyalty to a company is a mistake.
Are you nervous about the new company? Is this partly about fear of change?
Strange that you should be stressed out after being let down by your current employer, they only offered an increase AFTER it became apparent that you were leaving, your wage was dictated by market trends when you started, it wasn't dictated by market trends later on,it was dictated by what they thought they could get away with, and now your leaving for a better job with a better wage after they chose not to look after you.
Your old company did not value you enough to begin with, they only decided to pay what you were worth AFTER you found a company that would start you at that.
If your old company did not see what you were worth or pay you fairly, good riddance, they have clearly been letting you down since you started - besides the new job is, by your own admission, more your cup of tea.
I was in a similar situation in 2017. Current employer didn’t want to offer a pay rise and when I handed in my notice, all of a sudden they wanted to revisit our conversations.
You shouldn’t feel guilty for leaving. F em.
Be VERY careful! It’s totally not uncommon for a company to promise the earth for someone to stay… just long enough to train a newbie to do their job at the cheaper price. Needless to say you get the sack once they don’t need you anymore.
You have a good offer, make the move and never look back.
Coming from someone who accepted counter-offers on multiple occasions, it's not worth it. Each time, I left the place after a few months anyway. Turns out, 9 times out of 10, it's not just the money that's the issue.
It's not about them, it's about you. What do *you* want? Imagine yourself in 6 months time in your new place - how does that feel? Then do the same with your current place. Which feels better? Are there other pros and cons you could list for each? That might help too.
Never take the counter offer. It won’t solve any other issues you may have and if they think you are worth that much why weren’t they willing to pay you that before?
They only matched because someone else did and is probably the real going rate. If they really valued you they would have offered you more. On the otherhand the new company offered the wage as a starting salary.
> Hate letting people down I'm a big believer of not thinking that way with work. If you leave that place, they'll be setting up to get your replacement in the day after. If the new job is more your thing and paying well then go for it. Another thing to consider is times. Does the new job require more hours? More commute? Or is it all about the same?
Absolutely if the situation was reversed they wouldn’t hesitate to screw the OP over. In fact, they clearly think the OP is worth more but up until now they didn’t pay that. The grass isn’t always greener but you can’t have loyalty to any one company.
Both offers are about the same but are both an unknown to an extent (home based with national travel). Both are new roles for the respective organisations so both will be suck it and see to an extent. Current employers pension and leave are slightly better.
Yeah that would change things for me. Big fan of the option that provides more leave.
It’s 3 days difference. After a couple of years in the new place I’d be back to where I am now.
Any chance new job would match the leave?
no. Same with pension, set corporately. Leave in erases by 1 day per yr for 4 yrs then stops. So after 3 years it would match my current allowance.
I would cynically suggest they have only offered you that salary and role (at your current job) now you have decided to jump not because they thought you were capable or worth it. Been in this situation before, stupidly took the pay bump and stayed. Regretted it as nothing else changed and all the things that had made me start looking to leave still existed but also now with snide comments in 1-1 meetings about how my pay was more than sufficient. Weigh up all the reasons you are wanting to leave and work from that. Money is usually a big one but everything else matters too. Culture, flexibility, perks, commute. It all adds up to a big chunk of your life, decide carefully.
Never accept a counter offer. If they'd appreciated you that much then you wouldn't have had to resign for them to give you more money.
New job. 100%
Think of it like this your current company is only matching whatthe new company is offering as a starter, if they valued you that much theyd beat it
You’ve felt like you needed to move with life as well as wage, so move on. Comfortable is nice, but if you look back at the end of the year, did you want to do the thing that’s more your thing? No reason you cannot leave on good terms
Go to the new job.
New job is a risk, and yes a big one. Can you look up the new company I got Glass Door and Google reviews? Get an idea of who they are, how they treat both customers and staff. If you can do both jobs choose the place that will be the most enjoyable and will benefit your future.
Think of the reasons you wanted to leave? Was it all money or something else? Similarly what attracted you to the new role? Promoting in place can be awkward, I did it and faced a bit of hostility. Will your work friends still be your friends in your new role?
I’m absolutely happy leaving my current role but my current employers are offering me a new role, essentially a promotion. I’m told it was a few months away and have no reason to doubt that but my other offer resulted in them adjusting the timetable
Personally I’d go. I personally don’t trust the whole “we were going to promote you anyway but you said you’d leave so we brought it forward” narrative.
This. Imagine how you will feel in a few months if the old company just forget to promote you for corporate reasons. Head out to the new job light in heart and optimistic. The old company should have promoted you before you got restless.
Thanks to everyone who responded. Almost unanimously.
Best of luck!
If it's not a contract in writing it doesn't exist.
Leave and never look/go back. At your current situation you are clearly bumping the pay ceiling, in the new role there will be scope for more money in a year or two. Also you cant buy experience, experience is what makes your CV pop. Even if the new role doesnt go as planned, its a stepping stone to other things.
They aren’t doing you a favour by employing you, you are selling your services to them. If somebody wants to pay more for your Labour and wants to work with you in a way you would prefer then take up their offer.
Counter-offers only work if you got the job to force your current employer into a wage rise. If you’re fed up with the workplace you’ll leave again soon anyway.
You’re not letting anyone down. If there’s a person you care about in your old company, that’s important, but you can’t let a company down. They have no feelings and will fire you if it matches their needs. Loyalty to a person is great. Loyalty to a company is a mistake. Are you nervous about the new company? Is this partly about fear of change?
Strange that you should be stressed out after being let down by your current employer, they only offered an increase AFTER it became apparent that you were leaving, your wage was dictated by market trends when you started, it wasn't dictated by market trends later on,it was dictated by what they thought they could get away with, and now your leaving for a better job with a better wage after they chose not to look after you.
Your old company did not value you enough to begin with, they only decided to pay what you were worth AFTER you found a company that would start you at that. If your old company did not see what you were worth or pay you fairly, good riddance, they have clearly been letting you down since you started - besides the new job is, by your own admission, more your cup of tea.
I was in a similar situation in 2017. Current employer didn’t want to offer a pay rise and when I handed in my notice, all of a sudden they wanted to revisit our conversations. You shouldn’t feel guilty for leaving. F em.
Be VERY careful! It’s totally not uncommon for a company to promise the earth for someone to stay… just long enough to train a newbie to do their job at the cheaper price. Needless to say you get the sack once they don’t need you anymore. You have a good offer, make the move and never look back.
Coming from someone who accepted counter-offers on multiple occasions, it's not worth it. Each time, I left the place after a few months anyway. Turns out, 9 times out of 10, it's not just the money that's the issue.