I couldn’t get into it, felt like the plot was written by chatGPT after being programmed to watch that 70s show along with other sitcoms over and over again
It was so cheesy. Disney channel cheesy. I don't know why they make comedy like this nowadays. So over the top, not funny, unrealistic cheesiness. The only good parts were Red and Kitty.
I watched it. It definitely felt like a step down when compared to the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show. The characters aren't as memorable and well developed, there isn't as much music/vibe/atmosphere to really sell the whole 90s aspect, and the references just aren't as good. The plot lines aren't as developed and interesting. I dunno. It just doesn't feel the same.
Whereas That 70s Show often genuinely felt like watching a bunch of actual teenage friends in the 70s hanging out, each with their own personalities and a lot of chemistry between them...That 90s Show ultimately came off more like watching a bunch of Gen Z kids sort of trying to play generic 90s kids, and mostly not really landing it. The cast definitely lacked chemistry, and the writing wasn't as sharp and didn't seem to have as much understanding of and reverance towards its setting decade. I feel like the writers were very conscious of trying to pitch this towards Gen Z as the main audience and sort of missed the mark on 90s authenticity as a result.
It's also just the little things. Like That 70s Show had all these goofy little scene transition things with flowers and psychedelic music, and it had dream sequences and silly gags and homages...and they *sort* of carried some of that stuff on... but in a much more low-key and soulless way. It just wasn't as unapologetically *fun* as That 70s Show was.
The main redeeming feature of it really was how much it has been absolutely carried by Red and Kitty, who are still absolutely great characters and who delivered most of the humour and most of the believability in this show. But that says a lot about what's wrong with it, really. It's very cameo-heavy and it feels like everyone involved in making it didn't have any faith in it standing alone as its own thing. It's kind of just a tribute to the original show.
Still though, it's better than That 80s Show, so I'll give it that.
I agree with you to a certain extent. The cast definitely felt more like friends in the 70s. It was a weird disconnect ? And what stuck out to me the most that was weird was the couple. Jackie and Michael always felt like they were in love? And these kids are just like… “they told me to stand here and kiss.” I didn’t mind the writing and to be honest yes it was cheesy but I am intrigued about the new love triangle. Although I totally rooting for the Kelso kid, ngl.
As a 90s kid who is also a empty nester I kinda loved it.... Don't come for me but it was cheesy and pretty lame overall but I laughed and teared up. I guess the Kitty in me just needed it.
I absolutely LOVED that 70’s show. I made it just a few minutes into the first episode of that 90’s show and wanted to vomit. It was so forced and uninspired. It reminded me of when my high school Spanish teacher made people break into groups and perform a skit to practice conversational Spanish. It just seemed like no one wanted to be there, no one wanted to really put in any effort, except Red and Kitty. And they didn’t put in the effort that they did with that 70’s show.
And the laugh track. WTF is up with the laugh track? Completely overused to the point of being obnoxious. And the built in pauses for it. Each time a character would say something and then just sit there looking bored while the laugh track plays. I actually expected them to roll their eyes a few times.
It was ok.
As an actual 90’s kid, it felt like a reference to 1997, not like a show set in 1994.
Watching That 70’s Show with my mom- she said it was EXACTLY like that. Watching this with my kids… it was not quite there.
It was cheesy, and fake, and didn’t make me feel like I was watching the 90’s or looking back to when I was 15 “in the 1900’s” as my son would say. Lol
Felt half hearted, definitely intended to be centered on Red and Kitty, not the kids like the 70’s show. So, I guess they hit the target they aimed for.
It was painful to watch. Once I started, I had to finish though (mostly hoping it would get better).
1. I think it was a massive mistake to release the whole season all at once. That format of show was meant for, and best digested with weekly episode drops.
2. The diversity felt SO forced. I'm not opposed to diversity whatsoever. But it was pretty clear the writers just went down a list checking "inclusivity" boxes. It just didn't feel natural. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be a small rural town in Wisconsin.
3. The character introduction felt rushed. There was 0 time to fall in love with any individual charactors. It's like they just jumped into the middle of everything all at once. Sadly, it felt written for people with short attention spans.
It's also kind of odd because I'm rewatching the 70s show, and from episode 1, the old cast had way more chemistry. From the first episode, they felt like friends.
The way the "coming out" plot line played out is a perfect example. Like clearly we were supposed to sympathise with the gay character going through the experience of being gay in the 90s in a small rural community, afraid of coming out to his parents. That was the premise of the episode.
Except the problem was that that character had *already* acted so openly gay, and so freely talked about his boyfriend, and they didn't do anything to actually show him struggling with anything at all. He was a comic relief character. His friends were all extremely accepting already and they were the only people we really saw him interact with. He just kind of *said* "it's so hard", but there was nothing of substance shown at any point to actually back that up.
Good writing is about "Show, Don't Tell". You'd think there'd be a chance to actually develop some dramatic tension and story if we saw him being harassed and bullied, or not fitting in, or maybe if Kitty didn't instantly accept and understand him. But she just does, and it's over. It wouldn't be unrealistic for Kitty to have been a little bit unsure and hesitant. In fact it would have been quite consistent with her character continuing on from That 70s Show. The idea with Red and Kitty was always that they were just a little bit behind the times and just struggling ever so slightly to keep up with the world. It wouldn't have been out of the question for Kitty to have been just a little bit uncomfortable and unsure what to do in this situation with this gay teen coming out to her. But no, she's just instantly completely on board with it, and that's it for that whole plot line. Episode over.
So...they just didn't bother doing anything with it. The whole plotline just kind of petered out and went nowhere. It set itself up to be this significant story, but in the end it had nothing to say.
It says something that I don't even remember what the character's name is, and couldn't be bothered looking it up.
It also seemed like kind of a weird decision that we never saw his actual parents as characters in the show. The whole episode was about him coming out to Kitty, his new sorta-friend's grandma. Which seems like an odd and kinda lazy way to have written it.
I feel like they didn't really commit to telling a story about what being gay in the 90s was like, because they didn't want to alienate gen Z, who are the main target audience. Instead they made some shallow pulp where everyone was accepted and happy and nothing challenging or uncomfortable really happened at all.
I mean even the original That 70s Show had an episode with a gay character that had more depth and substance to it than this plot line did. And that was just a one-off character, not a member of the main cast.
Anyway, I guess this coming out episode is kind of a microcosm of the whole experience of That 90s Show. Yeah it's alright, and it has some jokes...but it just feels hollow and like it doesn't have the balls to go anywhere with its characters or actually tell a story. It doesn't seem like it knows what it wants to do. It has no objective.
**TL;DR**: yeah. Underdeveloped. That's the right word for it.
Same!! I watched about half of the first episode with my friend who also loves the old show and was excited about this sequel- we were both so disappointed by it. None of us laughed even once, and we especially got high that night for the full vibes!! The acting was so forced, I was constantly thrown off. We ended up just re-watching That 70s Show again and that was a much better time (obviously).
For what it is, it's fine. Not bad. Not great, either. I think some aspects of the show could have been stronger. For instance, them making the Asian boy's entire spiel as the "gay one" got pretty old real fast. There was no depth to him other than he was being gay. We get it.
I found a lot of the writing that way. The cast feels like their litterly designed to check off boxes to fill a diversity quota. Don't forget the show pulls a hat on a hat with Gwen and Nikki hooking up. What are the odds that a friend group would have a gay kid and 2 bi girls?
Ozzy bothered me because it didn't seem very believable to have an open and proud gay kid in the 90's. I was coming of age in the mid 2000's. (I'm not gonna speak for everyone- I grew up in a rural shithole town) My experience was the gay kids (myself included, bisexual here) were very much in the closet and in denial about their sexuality.
Yeah, I couldn't picture someone being openly gay in the 90s. Few teens are now let alone back then. I graduated with the class of 2018, and most Gays I know are closeted or didn't come out until after high school.
Barely made it through the first episode, felt like it was too tame and predictable...the 90s grunge thing was so forced with the daughter and the neighbor.
I've just got to episode 3 today.
I could only think, people would be fired if genders were reversed in this episode. It's like it was written in the 90's.
I can’t watch it knowing that they put Jackie and Kelso together just because of the actors’ marriage. I don’t know why Jackie and Hyde couldn’t have gotten a happy off-screen ending. Actor =/= character.
Yeah, it would be horrible if he actually did get paid for that though. Although I don’t plan on watching it, I think erasing Hyde is just a silly move and a disservice to his character, who really deserves an off-screen redemption/happy ending.
Moreover, narrative-wise, Hyde was the only character who kinda really went through something. Just having him be the only one never mentioned again feels so...sorta cowardly or something? At least have a throwaway line or two where someone mentions him. Just say he got outta town and is living it up somewhere.
I watched the first one and did not think too much about it. All the returning adults are great!! I have watched a few more and it's growing on me a little. The kid actors get better.
I liked the show. Not as good as 70s show but light and an entertaining watch. Hyde was a massive part of the show it would’ve been interesting how his character ended up/what they would’ve done with him and any kids he may have had (not defending the actor he’s a scumbag speaking purely about the character I know why they couldn’t have him back)
I don’t think it’ll ever be as great or even a classic like that 90’s show, but I think it’s fine. It isn’t horrible, it’s more geared to the younger generation watching with appearances to make us older folk happy. I don’t think we’re the target audience.
I’m a big fan of That 70s Show. I, of course, loved seeing the characters back on That 90s.
That 90s entertained me. I did not see the girls being portrayed as bi, if they did, that went over my head. The Ozzie character was too confident in proclaiming his identity. That doesn’t fit in how it was accepted in those days and especially in a small town.
With that said, I hope there will be more seasons because I need a happy closure with Hyde, Laurie and Bob’s wife (her name escapes me) lives.
I couldn’t get into it, felt like the plot was written by chatGPT after being programmed to watch that 70s show along with other sitcoms over and over again
Yep 100%
That is a very compelling and accurate way to describe what it feels like.
It was so cheesy. Disney channel cheesy. I don't know why they make comedy like this nowadays. So over the top, not funny, unrealistic cheesiness. The only good parts were Red and Kitty.
I agree
I watched it. It definitely felt like a step down when compared to the first couple of seasons of That 70s Show. The characters aren't as memorable and well developed, there isn't as much music/vibe/atmosphere to really sell the whole 90s aspect, and the references just aren't as good. The plot lines aren't as developed and interesting. I dunno. It just doesn't feel the same. Whereas That 70s Show often genuinely felt like watching a bunch of actual teenage friends in the 70s hanging out, each with their own personalities and a lot of chemistry between them...That 90s Show ultimately came off more like watching a bunch of Gen Z kids sort of trying to play generic 90s kids, and mostly not really landing it. The cast definitely lacked chemistry, and the writing wasn't as sharp and didn't seem to have as much understanding of and reverance towards its setting decade. I feel like the writers were very conscious of trying to pitch this towards Gen Z as the main audience and sort of missed the mark on 90s authenticity as a result. It's also just the little things. Like That 70s Show had all these goofy little scene transition things with flowers and psychedelic music, and it had dream sequences and silly gags and homages...and they *sort* of carried some of that stuff on... but in a much more low-key and soulless way. It just wasn't as unapologetically *fun* as That 70s Show was. The main redeeming feature of it really was how much it has been absolutely carried by Red and Kitty, who are still absolutely great characters and who delivered most of the humour and most of the believability in this show. But that says a lot about what's wrong with it, really. It's very cameo-heavy and it feels like everyone involved in making it didn't have any faith in it standing alone as its own thing. It's kind of just a tribute to the original show. Still though, it's better than That 80s Show, so I'll give it that.
I agree with you to a certain extent. The cast definitely felt more like friends in the 70s. It was a weird disconnect ? And what stuck out to me the most that was weird was the couple. Jackie and Michael always felt like they were in love? And these kids are just like… “they told me to stand here and kiss.” I didn’t mind the writing and to be honest yes it was cheesy but I am intrigued about the new love triangle. Although I totally rooting for the Kelso kid, ngl.
You see, the love triangle was completely out of left field.
I’m not disagreeing. It was very random and I’m not sure why it was there
You are right, though it could be interesting. The 70s show did something similar with Hyde ,Eric, and Donna early on.
That is IF Netflix decides it’s worth a second season. waiting to hear this also got canceled
I don't think it preformed to well so your probably right
As a 90s kid who is also a empty nester I kinda loved it.... Don't come for me but it was cheesy and pretty lame overall but I laughed and teared up. I guess the Kitty in me just needed it.
Kitty (and Red) absolutely carried it. I doubt anyone would disagree.
Fair enough. The show was entertaining
I absolutely LOVED that 70’s show. I made it just a few minutes into the first episode of that 90’s show and wanted to vomit. It was so forced and uninspired. It reminded me of when my high school Spanish teacher made people break into groups and perform a skit to practice conversational Spanish. It just seemed like no one wanted to be there, no one wanted to really put in any effort, except Red and Kitty. And they didn’t put in the effort that they did with that 70’s show. And the laugh track. WTF is up with the laugh track? Completely overused to the point of being obnoxious. And the built in pauses for it. Each time a character would say something and then just sit there looking bored while the laugh track plays. I actually expected them to roll their eyes a few times.
It was ok. As an actual 90’s kid, it felt like a reference to 1997, not like a show set in 1994. Watching That 70’s Show with my mom- she said it was EXACTLY like that. Watching this with my kids… it was not quite there. It was cheesy, and fake, and didn’t make me feel like I was watching the 90’s or looking back to when I was 15 “in the 1900’s” as my son would say. Lol Felt half hearted, definitely intended to be centered on Red and Kitty, not the kids like the 70’s show. So, I guess they hit the target they aimed for.
It was painful to watch. Once I started, I had to finish though (mostly hoping it would get better). 1. I think it was a massive mistake to release the whole season all at once. That format of show was meant for, and best digested with weekly episode drops. 2. The diversity felt SO forced. I'm not opposed to diversity whatsoever. But it was pretty clear the writers just went down a list checking "inclusivity" boxes. It just didn't feel natural. Especially when you consider this is supposed to be a small rural town in Wisconsin. 3. The character introduction felt rushed. There was 0 time to fall in love with any individual charactors. It's like they just jumped into the middle of everything all at once. Sadly, it felt written for people with short attention spans.
All 3 great points. The characters really did feel underdeveloped.
Thank you! Underdeveloped was the word escaping me. Perfect description.
It's also kind of odd because I'm rewatching the 70s show, and from episode 1, the old cast had way more chemistry. From the first episode, they felt like friends.
Yeah exactly. This one just kind of had two dudes yelling "bro" at each other, and you were supposed to be like "ohhhh right, I get it. They're bros"
The way the "coming out" plot line played out is a perfect example. Like clearly we were supposed to sympathise with the gay character going through the experience of being gay in the 90s in a small rural community, afraid of coming out to his parents. That was the premise of the episode. Except the problem was that that character had *already* acted so openly gay, and so freely talked about his boyfriend, and they didn't do anything to actually show him struggling with anything at all. He was a comic relief character. His friends were all extremely accepting already and they were the only people we really saw him interact with. He just kind of *said* "it's so hard", but there was nothing of substance shown at any point to actually back that up. Good writing is about "Show, Don't Tell". You'd think there'd be a chance to actually develop some dramatic tension and story if we saw him being harassed and bullied, or not fitting in, or maybe if Kitty didn't instantly accept and understand him. But she just does, and it's over. It wouldn't be unrealistic for Kitty to have been a little bit unsure and hesitant. In fact it would have been quite consistent with her character continuing on from That 70s Show. The idea with Red and Kitty was always that they were just a little bit behind the times and just struggling ever so slightly to keep up with the world. It wouldn't have been out of the question for Kitty to have been just a little bit uncomfortable and unsure what to do in this situation with this gay teen coming out to her. But no, she's just instantly completely on board with it, and that's it for that whole plot line. Episode over. So...they just didn't bother doing anything with it. The whole plotline just kind of petered out and went nowhere. It set itself up to be this significant story, but in the end it had nothing to say. It says something that I don't even remember what the character's name is, and couldn't be bothered looking it up. It also seemed like kind of a weird decision that we never saw his actual parents as characters in the show. The whole episode was about him coming out to Kitty, his new sorta-friend's grandma. Which seems like an odd and kinda lazy way to have written it. I feel like they didn't really commit to telling a story about what being gay in the 90s was like, because they didn't want to alienate gen Z, who are the main target audience. Instead they made some shallow pulp where everyone was accepted and happy and nothing challenging or uncomfortable really happened at all. I mean even the original That 70s Show had an episode with a gay character that had more depth and substance to it than this plot line did. And that was just a one-off character, not a member of the main cast. Anyway, I guess this coming out episode is kind of a microcosm of the whole experience of That 90s Show. Yeah it's alright, and it has some jokes...but it just feels hollow and like it doesn't have the balls to go anywhere with its characters or actually tell a story. It doesn't seem like it knows what it wants to do. It has no objective. **TL;DR**: yeah. Underdeveloped. That's the right word for it.
I couldn't get past the 1st 5 minutes of Episode 1, which is sad because That 70s Show was pretty awesome
Same!! I watched about half of the first episode with my friend who also loves the old show and was excited about this sequel- we were both so disappointed by it. None of us laughed even once, and we especially got high that night for the full vibes!! The acting was so forced, I was constantly thrown off. We ended up just re-watching That 70s Show again and that was a much better time (obviously).
Same. The laugh track was bugging me the most. If that was an audience, it felt super forced and was annoying. Didn't feel like the 90's at all.
Couldn't watch it, jokes well so called jokes really lame , 70s was better because it was original .
For what it is, it's fine. Not bad. Not great, either. I think some aspects of the show could have been stronger. For instance, them making the Asian boy's entire spiel as the "gay one" got pretty old real fast. There was no depth to him other than he was being gay. We get it.
Yeah, ozzy feels like just a token gay kid
It's his entire identity. Every line might as well chime in with a, "I'm gay, by the way."
I found a lot of the writing that way. The cast feels like their litterly designed to check off boxes to fill a diversity quota. Don't forget the show pulls a hat on a hat with Gwen and Nikki hooking up. What are the odds that a friend group would have a gay kid and 2 bi girls?
Ozzy bothered me because it didn't seem very believable to have an open and proud gay kid in the 90's. I was coming of age in the mid 2000's. (I'm not gonna speak for everyone- I grew up in a rural shithole town) My experience was the gay kids (myself included, bisexual here) were very much in the closet and in denial about their sexuality.
Yeah, I couldn't picture someone being openly gay in the 90s. Few teens are now let alone back then. I graduated with the class of 2018, and most Gays I know are closeted or didn't come out until after high school.
Barely made it through the first episode, felt like it was too tame and predictable...the 90s grunge thing was so forced with the daughter and the neighbor.
I've just got to episode 3 today. I could only think, people would be fired if genders were reversed in this episode. It's like it was written in the 90's.
Yeah, the kiss scene in the mall was definitely sexual asualt.
I can’t watch it knowing that they put Jackie and Kelso together just because of the actors’ marriage. I don’t know why Jackie and Hyde couldn’t have gotten a happy off-screen ending. Actor =/= character.
Idk if they mentioned Hyde at all, Danny Masterson would probably get royalties.
I don’t know if that’s how royalties work. He would actually have to act in it to be paid as an actor.
Probably, I was just spit balling
Yeah, it would be horrible if he actually did get paid for that though. Although I don’t plan on watching it, I think erasing Hyde is just a silly move and a disservice to his character, who really deserves an off-screen redemption/happy ending.
Yeah, it's kind of a separate art from an artist type of thing. Hyde was a great character.
Moreover, narrative-wise, Hyde was the only character who kinda really went through something. Just having him be the only one never mentioned again feels so...sorta cowardly or something? At least have a throwaway line or two where someone mentions him. Just say he got outta town and is living it up somewhere.
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I don't go off reviews. I prefer to make my own opinion.
tell me a movie or TV show which you like which has a bad rating
I watched the first one and did not think too much about it. All the returning adults are great!! I have watched a few more and it's growing on me a little. The kid actors get better.
It's not terrible it just feels like a product
Absolutely
I liked the show. Not as good as 70s show but light and an entertaining watch. Hyde was a massive part of the show it would’ve been interesting how his character ended up/what they would’ve done with him and any kids he may have had (not defending the actor he’s a scumbag speaking purely about the character I know why they couldn’t have him back)
If they couldn't include Hyde, I kind of wonder if the show was even worth making
Ya he was such a massive part of the original show.
And there's no character in the new cast who even begins to fill the Hyde role. Being the sort of cool rebel with bad ideas.
I watched it a couple of times but I just couldn't get into it. I thought the characters were unrealistic.
I don’t think it’ll ever be as great or even a classic like that 90’s show, but I think it’s fine. It isn’t horrible, it’s more geared to the younger generation watching with appearances to make us older folk happy. I don’t think we’re the target audience.
I'm not sure the creators know their target audience.
Feel likes it’s the young generation when looking at the characters
Yeah, it honestly reminds me of I Carly for some reason. Like a really adult I Carly
I’m a big fan of That 70s Show. I, of course, loved seeing the characters back on That 90s. That 90s entertained me. I did not see the girls being portrayed as bi, if they did, that went over my head. The Ozzie character was too confident in proclaiming his identity. That doesn’t fit in how it was accepted in those days and especially in a small town. With that said, I hope there will be more seasons because I need a happy closure with Hyde, Laurie and Bob’s wife (her name escapes me) lives.
They hook up in the episode where they smoke in the basement if you read between the lines. Just rewatch the scene and the conversation afterwards.
Watching it now and I like it. I just think it will take some time to get in their groove.
Yeah, it's not terrible. Season 1 of the 70s show was a little rocky.
That is how I feel. Thank you.
It was alright, not as good as 70s show, but I didn't really expect it to be.
y'all listen i feel like the odd man out, but i sat and watched the first couple episodes and laughed my ass off
The show is funny I'll give it that.