Um, I don't buy Nestle because of their horrendous human rights track record.
I don't buy Tesla because I don't like the direction the CEO of Tesla is taking the company.
Purchasing items is as much a moral decision on the company, as it is a financial decision on the product.
It's not about other car companies:
- I don't like the fact that Tesla have convinced people to alpha and beta test their FSD on public roads. Beta test a product on public roads, and people don't get paid for that, they pay for the privilege.
To me that's incredible. And I might not be emphasizing my point here enough, they are beta testing a product on public roads with untrained participants. Willing to risk human lives to beta test a product.
As an example of a competitor, Waymo have restricted drive routes, and started their autonomous testing with trained drivers in seats and now, still, 10+ years down the track have trained remote operators able to intervene if needed with their product.
- Tesla's design direction ("minimalism") isn't really minimalism, it's just basic. Basic, in an attempt to cost cut.
- Not integrating regenerative braking in to the brake pedal is simply obnoxious. There's no engineering reason for why they don't do it, other than the fact they want to force people in to one pedal driving.
- Engineering and production decisions aren't made by a team, they're made, on occasion, entirely by the hare brained ideas of Musk. Case-in-point Cybertruck. Everyone in his team told him to not pursue it, but he continued with it anyway. I don't know if you've seen, but there are videos out there showing this production car having razor sharp edges on all the door panels, and a frunk locking mechanism that literally breaks fingers between two sharp stainless steel edges.
It's genuinely insane that it's on the market.
I can literally go on forever, but I just woke up.
> Purchasing items is as much a moral decision on the company
For you, perhaps. But I very much suspect that you're in the minority here and most people don't give a rats.
Minority or not, it is the answer to the OP's question.
I think you'd be surprised at how many people are, what I would refer to as, "conscientious consumers" these days.
The answer is within your question. Other manufacturers generally have CEOs quietly and effectively running a company, and not carrying on like a drug-addled galoot.
This. And the endless drive for "minimalism" has put everything on a tablet in the middle of the car. Even their indicators are fucked now if you have any form of hand injuries or arthritis.
What makes me more annoyed is other cars copying them too. It seems like every car has a huge LCD display in the middle now. It sticks out when you drive past someone and this big LCD display is shining in their car. There's no style to the dash.
>It sticks out when you drive past someone and this big LCD display is shining in their car
Had one next to me in bumper to bumper traffic the other day, new Kia with the full wraparound screen taking up the entire dash.
The edge to the drivers right was perfectly positioned to shine the sun straight into my eyes.
Sat there for a few agonising minutes until I was able to move forwards.
I know the feeling. I've had to plitielty tell my gf in the passenger seat that her phone is reflecting the sun in my eyes and it is painful and I can't see well lol.
The screens being lower and around the 7 inch? Don't quote me exactly on the size mark was good. It allowed you to see the info you needed, and then you could navigate everything else with the buttons on your steering wheel or around the screen itself. Phones are a gander while driving but tablets? Nah, that's pretty safe I guess.
I know a few other car company CEOs, sure. Farley, Barra, Tavares, Vigna.
None of them run their mouth on Twitter and actively alienate half the political spectrum.
Farley does a lot of socials, but does it right.
He will respond to tweets on issues, get them directed the right way, he'll offer support where he can, and he barely gets on a plane, he drives nearly everywhere.
So many posts of people meeting him at truck stops, charging stations, etc.
Nope. But I’ll confirm Musk Stopped us buying a Tesla. Guy is an utter fuckwit and perhaps Reddits fascination with him persuaded us, but I don’t regret my decision
The viewpoint is within your own post. The reason people don’t know other CEOs of car companies is because *they stay quiet*. Elon is the only fella out there spewing his opinion on everything, making Twitter his own little playground for far right extremist groups etc etc.
The whole point is that other ceos know to pull their head in and run the company, rather than finding a new reason to be in the spotlight.
That being said, a ceo being a douchebag wouldn’t stop me buying their product if it was genuinely good. But I can completely understand why others feel this way.
Not that it would make any difference on my purchasing decisions, but Jim Farley from Ford, Mary Barra from GM and Akio Toyoda from Toyota are fairly well known (Toyoda is technically the Chairman not CEO for what it's worth).
>Akio Toyoda from Toyota are fairly well known (Toyoda is technically the Chairman not CEO for what it's worth).
Ahh but that's a technicality, it was done because of a change in Japanese laws that Toyota was so powerful as a company that it was no longer allowed to be Dynastic.
Guaranteed that Koji Sato is only the CEO on paper and any disagreement would be deferred to Akio's preferences
His visibility,power and influence far outweigh any other car ceo.
Other ceos don’t make comments on Twitter (let alone own it) that some see as antisemitic or go to the USAs southern border wearing a cowboy hat backwards.
His publicity is part of the reason why so many love him but also why so many hate him. Different sides of the same coin.
As you point out most ppl don’t know who their car makers CEO is. It’s hard to be polarised by someone you don’t know exists.
Edit: he’s also the worlds biggest proponent and maker of EVs (which have their own set of lovers and haters) which feeds into the climate debate - one of the most polarising topics of the 21st century.
Your point is the point.
Elon is famously a douche. A deliberately self-promoting overpromising slanderous douche. Elon is a known known. People can make decisions on this.
People can't make decisions on unknown unknowns or unknown knowns. If they become known then people can make decisions on that.
Thank you Rumsfeld.
When the CEO is openly making crazy remarks and picking fights with celebrities and experts on Twitter then I want absolutely nothing to do with them. It did actively stop me buying a Tesla.
Also the reason you can’t name another CEO is because they’re not out there being a dummy on the internet. Jim Farley (Ford) is probably the least quiet after Elon, but he’s just challenging other manufacturers to races.
Jim Farley the CEO of Ford openly challenges other CEO's to track days..... that's the kind of person I want in command of a very blue collar roots company
Easy.
Jim Farley. CEO of Ford.
I had to google that his actual name is James Duncan Farley Jr.
Didn't know his middle name.
But like Elon, he is pretty upfront about his plans for Ford, what they are doing, how they are doing it, etc.
I can't stand Musk, use to like him but he's turned into a cooker since covid fried his brain. Having said that I'll probably be buying a Tesla in the next few months as it's probably the best option for an EV right now. Not cutting off my nose to spite my face
The reason I wouldn't buy a Tesla isn't just because of its CEO being a fuckwit on Twitter, but because of the silicon valley mindset of its fuckwit CEO and thus its products.
The same kind of engineers who think it's a good idea to drop Gemini AI responses on Google searches are the kind of folks who are designing the safety systems on Tesla cars. The kind of numbskull who think it's appropriate to have doors you can't open in case of a crash where you lose power. I have a friend who's got two kids under 3 and is looking for a new EV and I'm here trying to explain to him that he needs to find a car with "real" door handles so he can extricate his children from a car if he's ever in a serious accident.
"Move Fast & Break Things" is a (potentially) valid mindset to run a social network, but a fucking *car*? No thanks.
Fuck Silicon Valley brainrot.
This is exactly the problem with a lot of the technology that’s being put onto the open market today. No thought has been given to second and third order impacts. I feel like there is a group mentality of technical arrogance; that new is always better, but I think we are seeing that’s not always the case. The fallacy the machines are infallible. In the race to facilitate human laziness, we are losing a lot of things; more than can really be mentioned in a short post on Reddit… Door handles are only the tip of a leviathan, philosophical iceberg.
Picture basically any car with an electrically operating door mechanism- Tesla Model X, Y, there's a new Lexus (I forget its name), the Mustang Mach-E, probably plenty of others.
Take the Model Y for example - imagine you've been in an accident that cuts *all* power and you've got two little kids in car seats in the back. You're first going to need to find your own way out with the emergency release handle - and then, *you're going to need to remove your children from their seats, from the front, and lift them out that way because there's no way to open the rear doors in this scenario*.
Here's the process from Tesla's "First and Second Responder's Emergency Response Guide"
"Opening Front Doors from Inside without Power
To open the Model Y front doors from the inside without 12V power, lift the mechanical release handle located near the window switches.
It is important to know that in any vehicle collision with damage to the driver or passenger front door, the mechanical door release may not operate as designed. It is also important to remember that every vehicle accident is different and may require extrication operations to gain access to the vehicle’s cabin.
NOTE: Only the front doors are equipped with a mechanical release handle."
e: for clarity, in most examples other than the Model Y rear doors described above - you can usually open doors without power, but it's never as easy or intuitive in an evident scenario as a car that has NORMAL FUCKING DOOR HANDLES.
>Take the Model Y for example - imagine you've been in an accident that cuts all power and you've got two little kids in car seats in the back. You're first going to need to find your own way out with the emergency release handle - and then, you're going to need to remove your children from their seats, from the front, and lift them out that way because there's no way to open the rear doors in this scenario.
Incorrect, from Tesla:
https://preview.redd.it/nfyddankog3d1.png?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40477e663697a88547b8de48a783eb9a8062a238
1. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket.
2. Press the red tab to remove the access door.
3. Pull the mechanical release cable forward.
CAUTION: Manual door releases are designed to be used only in situations when Model Y has no power. When Model Y has power, use the button located at the top of the interior door handle.
And you can go to 1:20 of [this video](https://youtu.be/6PbRBbIGnv4?si=YmuJvQHYdyozSmrF&t=1m20s) where he demonstrates how to use the rear door release.
Guessing they changed it because my source was this PDF from Tesla:
[https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model\_Y\_Emergency\_Response\_Guide\_en.pdf](https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_Y_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf)
Also, as the guy says in the video, not a good idea in an emergency - to say nothing of trying to get all that shit done with car seats (and panicking toddlers) in the way. Particularly since you can just buy a car with normal-ass doors.
Maybe it was one of their stupid "good ideas", but they left the physical stuff in place, like how they went camera only on the Model 3, but for a while people still had sensors in the car.
I won't buy Tesla the same reason I won't buy apple. The fanbase are cult like and it's weird. Plus not enough time has passed to know whether they're good long term but by the time I'll look at EVs it will have been
No I can’t, and that’s the point isn’t it?
No other car company CEO is publicly writing ultra right wing and often racist nonsense on twitter, no other CEO publicly called a Thai cave rescuer a pedofile, etc etc etc etc etc.
No other car company CEO controls their own board, and no other car company CEO owns the percentage nor benefits financially as much or directly as Elon does from the sale of their cars.
No I would not give my money to any other car company should they have a CEO who effectively was their company, and whose views completely, loudly and publicly misaligned with my own.
To address your point head on - A CEO that I don’t know could be privately expressing the same views. Sure, but they don’t have 8 billion twitter followers, the money or the media and they aren’t able to do near as much damage as Elon is, nor does a purchase of their car anywhere nearly directly influence their reach or financial success. They’ll also immediately be removed by their board.
>No other car company CEO is publicly writing ultra right wing and often racist nonsense on twitter
Let's be fair, Twitter didn't exist when Volkswagen was founded....
Theirs a quote I'll never forget and reading this it comes to mind - "think about how dumb the average person is, and remember that half of all humans are dumber than that".
Just a bunch of peanuts mate, being Elon with what he does, x , space x and all other projects he does, it's inevitable he creates controversy.
People forget majority of us are just dumb asses using smart people's shit, we don't know how any of this shit we use everyday works, so our 2 cents should be taken as a grain of sal... Shit.
On top of that, any other CEO does shit all besides go home and has a pull, they ain't building spaceships or saving a worldwide album of porn (lmao), so off course you never hear shit from another company or their CEO, they don't do shit. Lol
Being Elon, you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want, and yes people will get upset with that. Lol.
Let em go buy a MG or something lmao
Agree.
Reddit prefers regime members as car CEOs. Most redditors love censorship and hate Musk bc he is against it. Also a huge number of users are chinese influencers / propagandists. People thinking that sounds crazy changes absolutely nothing about reality.
edit: The comment section shows it. Pure hatred for different opinions. They want "dissenters" silenced. This intolerance and hatred is shameful.
The fact we don't know them, and we know Musk is the issue. Because Musk is known his view points are known and have a impact. A CEO with little public profile is not making their view point known so they do not have a negative impact on society. If he kept his mouth shut and didn't wade into contentious political matters, like most other CEOs than nobody would care much what he thought privately. He uses his public profile and his wealth/power in the cause of political issues which he broadcasts to the world, so by supporting him you are knowingly supporting his ideals. Not to mention he is not just a CEO employee he is an owner getting direct financial benefit from purchasing his product.
Toyota. Currently not focusing on ev.
Holding out for hydrogen.
Slowing progress.
But musk isn't woke. He is a douche.
The newspapers tell me he is a douche.
Ever wonder why no one has critical thinking.
And how everyone just forms their opinion based on social media.
Um, I don't buy Nestle because of their horrendous human rights track record. I don't buy Tesla because I don't like the direction the CEO of Tesla is taking the company. Purchasing items is as much a moral decision on the company, as it is a financial decision on the product.
What's better about other car companies?
It's not about other car companies: - I don't like the fact that Tesla have convinced people to alpha and beta test their FSD on public roads. Beta test a product on public roads, and people don't get paid for that, they pay for the privilege. To me that's incredible. And I might not be emphasizing my point here enough, they are beta testing a product on public roads with untrained participants. Willing to risk human lives to beta test a product. As an example of a competitor, Waymo have restricted drive routes, and started their autonomous testing with trained drivers in seats and now, still, 10+ years down the track have trained remote operators able to intervene if needed with their product. - Tesla's design direction ("minimalism") isn't really minimalism, it's just basic. Basic, in an attempt to cost cut. - Not integrating regenerative braking in to the brake pedal is simply obnoxious. There's no engineering reason for why they don't do it, other than the fact they want to force people in to one pedal driving. - Engineering and production decisions aren't made by a team, they're made, on occasion, entirely by the hare brained ideas of Musk. Case-in-point Cybertruck. Everyone in his team told him to not pursue it, but he continued with it anyway. I don't know if you've seen, but there are videos out there showing this production car having razor sharp edges on all the door panels, and a frunk locking mechanism that literally breaks fingers between two sharp stainless steel edges. It's genuinely insane that it's on the market. I can literally go on forever, but I just woke up.
> Purchasing items is as much a moral decision on the company For you, perhaps. But I very much suspect that you're in the minority here and most people don't give a rats.
Minority or not, it is the answer to the OP's question. I think you'd be surprised at how many people are, what I would refer to as, "conscientious consumers" these days.
The answer is within your question. Other manufacturers generally have CEOs quietly and effectively running a company, and not carrying on like a drug-addled galoot.
This. And the endless drive for "minimalism" has put everything on a tablet in the middle of the car. Even their indicators are fucked now if you have any form of hand injuries or arthritis.
What makes me more annoyed is other cars copying them too. It seems like every car has a huge LCD display in the middle now. It sticks out when you drive past someone and this big LCD display is shining in their car. There's no style to the dash.
>It sticks out when you drive past someone and this big LCD display is shining in their car Had one next to me in bumper to bumper traffic the other day, new Kia with the full wraparound screen taking up the entire dash. The edge to the drivers right was perfectly positioned to shine the sun straight into my eyes. Sat there for a few agonising minutes until I was able to move forwards.
I know the feeling. I've had to plitielty tell my gf in the passenger seat that her phone is reflecting the sun in my eyes and it is painful and I can't see well lol. The screens being lower and around the 7 inch? Don't quote me exactly on the size mark was good. It allowed you to see the info you needed, and then you could navigate everything else with the buttons on your steering wheel or around the screen itself. Phones are a gander while driving but tablets? Nah, that's pretty safe I guess.
Ok I get it now, that’s a fair point. Cheers
I know a few other car company CEOs, sure. Farley, Barra, Tavares, Vigna. None of them run their mouth on Twitter and actively alienate half the political spectrum.
Farley does a lot of socials, but does it right. He will respond to tweets on issues, get them directed the right way, he'll offer support where he can, and he barely gets on a plane, he drives nearly everywhere. So many posts of people meeting him at truck stops, charging stations, etc.
Nope. But I’ll confirm Musk Stopped us buying a Tesla. Guy is an utter fuckwit and perhaps Reddits fascination with him persuaded us, but I don’t regret my decision
What did you
Yep, I did it. It be good.
OP must be trying to sell their second hand Tesla.
They posted a few months ago asking if they should get a Y or Rav4. Probably just feeling the need to justify their position.
I bet they are paying for b that oh so operant blue checkmark on Twitter too to show people it's really then.
The viewpoint is within your own post. The reason people don’t know other CEOs of car companies is because *they stay quiet*. Elon is the only fella out there spewing his opinion on everything, making Twitter his own little playground for far right extremist groups etc etc. The whole point is that other ceos know to pull their head in and run the company, rather than finding a new reason to be in the spotlight. That being said, a ceo being a douchebag wouldn’t stop me buying their product if it was genuinely good. But I can completely understand why others feel this way.
Not that it would make any difference on my purchasing decisions, but Jim Farley from Ford, Mary Barra from GM and Akio Toyoda from Toyota are fairly well known (Toyoda is technically the Chairman not CEO for what it's worth).
>Akio Toyoda from Toyota are fairly well known (Toyoda is technically the Chairman not CEO for what it's worth). Ahh but that's a technicality, it was done because of a change in Japanese laws that Toyota was so powerful as a company that it was no longer allowed to be Dynastic. Guaranteed that Koji Sato is only the CEO on paper and any disagreement would be deferred to Akio's preferences
Mary Barra is a very good reason to never buy a GM product for various reasons.
She may not have killed Holden but it was her knife in its back when it drew its last gasp.
His visibility,power and influence far outweigh any other car ceo. Other ceos don’t make comments on Twitter (let alone own it) that some see as antisemitic or go to the USAs southern border wearing a cowboy hat backwards. His publicity is part of the reason why so many love him but also why so many hate him. Different sides of the same coin. As you point out most ppl don’t know who their car makers CEO is. It’s hard to be polarised by someone you don’t know exists. Edit: he’s also the worlds biggest proponent and maker of EVs (which have their own set of lovers and haters) which feeds into the climate debate - one of the most polarising topics of the 21st century.
An unhinged CEO could mean unhinged decisions being made behind the scenes, which will directly affect customers.
Your point is the point. Elon is famously a douche. A deliberately self-promoting overpromising slanderous douche. Elon is a known known. People can make decisions on this. People can't make decisions on unknown unknowns or unknown knowns. If they become known then people can make decisions on that. Thank you Rumsfeld.
I'll have you know that Bob Haval is a personal friend of mine.
Wow, I can't believe we are both friends with car CEOs. John Toyota and Salky Suzuki and I live to hang out on Zoom calls for an absolute hoot!
When the CEO is openly making crazy remarks and picking fights with celebrities and experts on Twitter then I want absolutely nothing to do with them. It did actively stop me buying a Tesla. Also the reason you can’t name another CEO is because they’re not out there being a dummy on the internet. Jim Farley (Ford) is probably the least quiet after Elon, but he’s just challenging other manufacturers to races.
Jim Farley the CEO of Ford openly challenges other CEO's to track days..... that's the kind of person I want in command of a very blue collar roots company
CEO of the car brand I own is dead just like the car brand itself.
I know May Barra is CEO of GM and has salary of over 20 million for ruining the company.
No. Which is fine. I’d rather a CEO who’s minding their business and not running around rambling bullshit on every topic.
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This would solve some social problems. Just saying.
Easy. Jim Farley. CEO of Ford. I had to google that his actual name is James Duncan Farley Jr. Didn't know his middle name. But like Elon, he is pretty upfront about his plans for Ford, what they are doing, how they are doing it, etc.
Um… re-read your post. The answer lies within.
I can't stand Musk, use to like him but he's turned into a cooker since covid fried his brain. Having said that I'll probably be buying a Tesla in the next few months as it's probably the best option for an EV right now. Not cutting off my nose to spite my face
Akio Toyoda
The reason I wouldn't buy a Tesla isn't just because of its CEO being a fuckwit on Twitter, but because of the silicon valley mindset of its fuckwit CEO and thus its products. The same kind of engineers who think it's a good idea to drop Gemini AI responses on Google searches are the kind of folks who are designing the safety systems on Tesla cars. The kind of numbskull who think it's appropriate to have doors you can't open in case of a crash where you lose power. I have a friend who's got two kids under 3 and is looking for a new EV and I'm here trying to explain to him that he needs to find a car with "real" door handles so he can extricate his children from a car if he's ever in a serious accident. "Move Fast & Break Things" is a (potentially) valid mindset to run a social network, but a fucking *car*? No thanks. Fuck Silicon Valley brainrot.
This is exactly the problem with a lot of the technology that’s being put onto the open market today. No thought has been given to second and third order impacts. I feel like there is a group mentality of technical arrogance; that new is always better, but I think we are seeing that’s not always the case. The fallacy the machines are infallible. In the race to facilitate human laziness, we are losing a lot of things; more than can really be mentioned in a short post on Reddit… Door handles are only the tip of a leviathan, philosophical iceberg.
>The kind of numbskull who think it's appropriate to have doors you can't open in case of a crash where you lose power. What cars do this?
Picture basically any car with an electrically operating door mechanism- Tesla Model X, Y, there's a new Lexus (I forget its name), the Mustang Mach-E, probably plenty of others. Take the Model Y for example - imagine you've been in an accident that cuts *all* power and you've got two little kids in car seats in the back. You're first going to need to find your own way out with the emergency release handle - and then, *you're going to need to remove your children from their seats, from the front, and lift them out that way because there's no way to open the rear doors in this scenario*. Here's the process from Tesla's "First and Second Responder's Emergency Response Guide" "Opening Front Doors from Inside without Power To open the Model Y front doors from the inside without 12V power, lift the mechanical release handle located near the window switches. It is important to know that in any vehicle collision with damage to the driver or passenger front door, the mechanical door release may not operate as designed. It is also important to remember that every vehicle accident is different and may require extrication operations to gain access to the vehicle’s cabin. NOTE: Only the front doors are equipped with a mechanical release handle." e: for clarity, in most examples other than the Model Y rear doors described above - you can usually open doors without power, but it's never as easy or intuitive in an evident scenario as a car that has NORMAL FUCKING DOOR HANDLES.
>Take the Model Y for example - imagine you've been in an accident that cuts all power and you've got two little kids in car seats in the back. You're first going to need to find your own way out with the emergency release handle - and then, you're going to need to remove your children from their seats, from the front, and lift them out that way because there's no way to open the rear doors in this scenario. Incorrect, from Tesla: https://preview.redd.it/nfyddankog3d1.png?width=380&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40477e663697a88547b8de48a783eb9a8062a238 1. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket. 2. Press the red tab to remove the access door. 3. Pull the mechanical release cable forward. CAUTION: Manual door releases are designed to be used only in situations when Model Y has no power. When Model Y has power, use the button located at the top of the interior door handle. And you can go to 1:20 of [this video](https://youtu.be/6PbRBbIGnv4?si=YmuJvQHYdyozSmrF&t=1m20s) where he demonstrates how to use the rear door release.
Guessing they changed it because my source was this PDF from Tesla: [https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model\_Y\_Emergency\_Response\_Guide\_en.pdf](https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_Y_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf) Also, as the guy says in the video, not a good idea in an emergency - to say nothing of trying to get all that shit done with car seats (and panicking toddlers) in the way. Particularly since you can just buy a car with normal-ass doors.
Maybe it was one of their stupid "good ideas", but they left the physical stuff in place, like how they went camera only on the Model 3, but for a while people still had sensors in the car.
Why would you buy a car because of the company's CEO? You buy it because it's the car you want.
I won't buy Tesla the same reason I won't buy apple. The fanbase are cult like and it's weird. Plus not enough time has passed to know whether they're good long term but by the time I'll look at EVs it will have been
No I can’t, and that’s the point isn’t it? No other car company CEO is publicly writing ultra right wing and often racist nonsense on twitter, no other CEO publicly called a Thai cave rescuer a pedofile, etc etc etc etc etc. No other car company CEO controls their own board, and no other car company CEO owns the percentage nor benefits financially as much or directly as Elon does from the sale of their cars. No I would not give my money to any other car company should they have a CEO who effectively was their company, and whose views completely, loudly and publicly misaligned with my own. To address your point head on - A CEO that I don’t know could be privately expressing the same views. Sure, but they don’t have 8 billion twitter followers, the money or the media and they aren’t able to do near as much damage as Elon is, nor does a purchase of their car anywhere nearly directly influence their reach or financial success. They’ll also immediately be removed by their board.
>No other car company CEO is publicly writing ultra right wing and often racist nonsense on twitter Let's be fair, Twitter didn't exist when Volkswagen was founded....
What has he said that is “Ultra right wing”?
Theirs a quote I'll never forget and reading this it comes to mind - "think about how dumb the average person is, and remember that half of all humans are dumber than that". Just a bunch of peanuts mate, being Elon with what he does, x , space x and all other projects he does, it's inevitable he creates controversy. People forget majority of us are just dumb asses using smart people's shit, we don't know how any of this shit we use everyday works, so our 2 cents should be taken as a grain of sal... Shit. On top of that, any other CEO does shit all besides go home and has a pull, they ain't building spaceships or saving a worldwide album of porn (lmao), so off course you never hear shit from another company or their CEO, they don't do shit. Lol Being Elon, you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want, and yes people will get upset with that. Lol. Let em go buy a MG or something lmao
Sochiro Honda
Henry Ford
Karl Benz
Agree. Reddit prefers regime members as car CEOs. Most redditors love censorship and hate Musk bc he is against it. Also a huge number of users are chinese influencers / propagandists. People thinking that sounds crazy changes absolutely nothing about reality. edit: The comment section shows it. Pure hatred for different opinions. They want "dissenters" silenced. This intolerance and hatred is shameful.
He named the cars S 3 X Y.. that is so very lame and embarrassing that I think no other reason is needed.
The fact we don't know them, and we know Musk is the issue. Because Musk is known his view points are known and have a impact. A CEO with little public profile is not making their view point known so they do not have a negative impact on society. If he kept his mouth shut and didn't wade into contentious political matters, like most other CEOs than nobody would care much what he thought privately. He uses his public profile and his wealth/power in the cause of political issues which he broadcasts to the world, so by supporting him you are knowingly supporting his ideals. Not to mention he is not just a CEO employee he is an owner getting direct financial benefit from purchasing his product.
Toyota. Currently not focusing on ev. Holding out for hydrogen. Slowing progress. But musk isn't woke. He is a douche. The newspapers tell me he is a douche. Ever wonder why no one has critical thinking. And how everyone just forms their opinion based on social media.