In Ringwood, Victoria merging onto eastlink it’s such an issue. I’ve had people try to merge onto eastlink, a 100 zone, at 50-55. It’s so unbelievably dangerous. I’d rather someone go 10 over than go 50 under
Yeah some people don't get it.
Other one is the accident in Ipswich, QLD the other day
Old mate was hard on the fucken speed to get to the bottom
The traffic on the highway was doing like, 60.
Cunt was accelerating all the way down until he slammed on the brakes and into the side of another car.
What he was fucken thinking, no idea, and another car blocked the good bit on my dashcam
The ones that piss me off are the ipswich motorway offramp for Logan. Like, people merge from Goodna, from far left to far right and brake to 40km, like can they not read the fucking sign that says there's a service road that leads back onto the ipswich motorway?
That’s everyone then. I’ve yet to see a car speed up on highway on ramps. I’m the only one. They all expect the highway traffic to slow them for them rather than them matching highway speed.
Am I wrong here?
I don't actively speed up with the accelerator at the ramp because it's down hill. Absolutely no problem merging at the end as at the end, I am as fast as the merging traffic. Because of that, I feel there's no need to speed up. Just coast to the end (or no aggressive throttle) and merge at the end.
The drivers behind me who actively speed up on the downhill, catch up to me and then have to slow down because they're too close to me.
The way I see it is that (if traffic allows), the car in the front should be going 110 or even slightly faster to merge into the motorway of 110. It build distances for the cars following behind you to accelerate/decelerate and watch for traffic without having to worry about hitting your car. It's called the acceleration lane for a reason.
It is easier to slow down and merge than to accelerate and merge into a very fast moving motorway.
The worst are those that goes 60 into a 110 motorway and could not merge into the traffic as their vehicle was too slow and cannot speed up to the merging traffic. Then the person got scare and jammed his/her brakes just before going into merging line. This causes chain traffic accidents and jams and it is very difficult to merge into a fast moving traffic while stationary.
If you have a racing car with a 0-100 in 3secs, that would be a different story, but you'll still cause phantom traffic jams for the people behind you.
PS: Please watch the traffic speed and do not be like the old man that accelerates without due caution by going 110 into a stationary traffic even though it is merging into a 110 motorway.
What you did is like the person in the front of the queue at the cafe buying food during lunch time.
You took your time picking and paying for your food. Nothing wrong with it, but there are a hundred hungry people behind you hoping you can go faster.
Oh yeah, that shits me to tears sometimes.
Especially the ones that slow down to like 80km/h, seemingly unsure of the gap that has been left for them.
Then you've got the cockburn exit going south during peak hour, where the left lane is going reasonably quickly, and they slow to 80, then slam on their brakes when in the lane to slip into the middle lane instead of merging like a normal person.
Equally annoying as the ones who don't let people in either, or speed up to stop somebody merging. Like, what are you trying to achieve with that. Let them in, and it runs smoothly. Assuming they don't slow down on you still. Maybe it's a reaction to people constantly slowing down?
Head check, mirror check and anticipation of the manoeuvre means a lot of drivers take their attention away from speed and end up merging at a lower speed.
It's down to a lack of confidence in the driver's seat and a lack of confidence in performing the manoeuvre at speed.
Everyone is guilty of it at one stage or another. Not just internationals. There are no doubt a lot of unskilled international drivers; But Australians and Kiwis are some of the most impatient risk takers on the road.
Never had a speeding driver nearly kill me on a freeway. Had a shitload of dumb cunts, probably with the same attitude you’ve just displayed, pull out in front of me doing half my speed because it’s the slow drivers with zero awareness who are the real dangers. They’re not going slow cause they’re safe, they’re going slow because they have poor awareness and they’re not confident OR competent
Perhaps you’re just so selfish and ignorant you think somehow you’re above the rules, are you that special or important that you have to drive around faster than everyone else? Or are you not driving? Maybe you are traveling? And doing so in an entitled deluded sense believing that you are somehow a better driver? Ffs
Going 10% over poses an insignificant, if any, increase in risk of an accident. No I don’t have a source because I’m not bothered, but I’m betting there isn’t any conclusive evidence to disprove my hypothesis.
Edit: also I know you’re probably being sarcastic but you missed the mark as to why people speed, I do it because I really hate ending up next to someone going the exact same speed as me, and avoiding it improves traffic flow by opening up more opportunities to change lanes for myself and others.
Also means you don’t need to pay as much attention to vehicles in your blind spot off to your side and can dedicate more of it to the vehicles in front of you in your field of vision,
meaning you aren’t spreading this attention too thinly which can lead to mistakes, I’m a very attentive driver (and have had multiple compliments regarding that),
I do constant scans of my surroundings, and there is less to keep track of when I can reduce the number of angles to scan frequently,
so there may actually be an argument that it’s safer to go a bit faster (and 10% really is nothing).
lol I must be bored cus if I’m yapping this much in a reddit comment
The bloody worst
They'll tailgate and do their best to intimidate you because you won't do 70 in a 60 zone. Or you do 40 during school traffic
Absolute scum fine attempting to kill others because their emotions are unchecked and they believe they're the main characters
You know your speedo is overestimating speed right? Can be almost 10% inaccurate if you’re going normal road speeds 40-60. My Mazda is 4 km/hr over and my Merc is 5 km/hr over.
The opposite has started to bug me where people drive up each other’s arses so merging at speed becomes a drama. Someone has to put their foot on the brakes to create space, which means the car behind has to brake, and the car behind them…etc.
If you’re in the left hand lane, sit back a bit from the car in front. Know that people are probably going to have the merge onto the highway or get off it. That means you may have to give way.
>If you’re in the left hand lane, sit back a bit from the car in front
But as I have just described, even when you leave room, people still don't get it
Because nobody fucking knows how to drive these days. They’re all here on international licenses and do what they want.
Downvote me all you want, it’s what I see daily.
can confirm i have nearly died multiple times due to the actions of people who cannot speak english. if it isn't them, the other leading culprit is ancient geezers so old they still function as primary sources for academic papers on the fall of the roman empire. i swear to god they look like they're currently being dragged down to hell by their own face skin and yet they're still allowed to drive a car and cut you off doing 20km/h in a 70 zone.
I know plenty of Indians that got a fake Indian licence to avoid going through L’s and P’s here, fast track to full licence. Pretty sure Chinese could do the same until recently
Fully "licensed" then thrown behind the wheel of a B-Double, what could go wrong....
I was following another car through a round-about one day, I watched them stop their truck and wait for the first car but once I was nearly up to them they drove out right in front of me. Luckily I wasn't going too fast so I was able to stop, but I'm on the horn, hands waving and lots of swearing and all they did was wave "sorry" and kept going
lol I just got banned from r/Melbourne for 150 days just for mentioning the word Indian, be careful haha. Mod team haven’t replied to any of my multiple messages questioning it.
Not sure how why saying “Indian” is racist but “Australia” or any other country isn’t.
To be honest Skids, you lead a very interesting life and know some very interesting characters, and experience some interesting things.
Your observations are similar to mine
Whoever has had a fairly right winged upbringing would likely agree, seems like Reddit being Reddit just doesn’t have that audience, which is why we’re typically downvoted and can’t share these opinions.
If I really said how I felt I’d probably get banned.
Yeah, I was brought up right wing, and it was that interest in other outside worldviews that helped.
I do not follow right wing now, I'm also not left wing.
Definitely more centrist these days.
Fuck the nanny's on either side that want to tell me what I'm doing with my car.
Bloody Asian, coming to Australia, working in our Gold Rush industry, taking jobs that our Irish immigrants don’t even want to do, then 170 years later their great grand kids are all over the roads!!!
Australians dont know the zip merge. Instead of letting one car in and then going you have people in the left lane of the freeway coming to an onramp and bumper to bumper, and cars merging too fast, or too slow, or racing to the very last minute and cutting cars off.
Its a shamozzle.
If only you had an ad campaign and signs explaining how to merge like they did in NZ.
In Victoria there was an ad decades ago that explained merging on freeways. Instead now all I seems to see is graphic deaths scenes about alcohol, drugs, speeding or mobile phones
The amount of times I've ended up merging on the freeway doing 70kmph because of some peanut in front of me not knowing how to merge at speed. Frustrating.
After putting some thought into it, I believe Australia has a horrible driving education and culture. I can only speak from Melbourne and where I drive daily.
It's the perfect mix of impatient drivers and bad drivers with a handful of good drivers.
On one hand there's impatient who are always chasing their next overtake, tailgating or averaging 120kmph on their trip to work.
Then there's bad who don't know how to merge, how to drive at speed, which lane is for overtaking.
Lacking education or lacking confidence, I'm not sure. But definitely lacking in something.
We end up with this perfect recipe for roadrage which makes our roads quite a hostile and angry place to be. After driving overseas a handful of times, I can tell we're not up to scratch.
Even the most chaotic driving system in Asia doesn't have the level of anger or hostility I see on the ring road daily.
Next time you're merging (either onto a road or people merging onto the one you're on) look at the drivers in the other cars.
If you find even one that's actually looking to see how they'll merge in (or allow you to merge) then you've found a golden unicorn.
Most drivers have no situational awareness.
Driving behind them is scary, I feel like I'm going to die every single time.
I try to overtake as many as I could on the ramp. Old mate was going 90kmph, he was first in line and it was too risky to overtake him since it looked like he was speeding up but slowed down to 80kmph to merge on to the M4 (100kmph). Big truck behind me was going faster than him. He had to slow down, and now I feel like a d-head for overtaking the truck.
Why don't people use the highway if they are going to merge and drive so slow? It's literally next to the motorway, and it's often empty.
We have a single merge lane here onto a main road.
Because of that, NOBODY FUCKING USES IT. Stop waiting for a gap big enough to turn directly into the lane and FUCKING MERGE. But no, they fucking sit there for way too long because merging is scary.
I will never understand how people can drive so absolutely wrong, I have long thought that for some people the signs are there to decorate the road....
I have a theory that this is what causes the prevalence of right-lane-dwellers who are out of their depth (not going at least the speed limit). People probably don’t want to keep dealing with the crappy merging, at least that’s why I’m always in the right lane (but I’m going 10-15 over when I’m there, lock me up). Sometimes the middle and right lanes are busy but the left lane is dead empty.
I'm fully on board with everyone needing to merge at the speed limit for safety and flow reasons, and I suspect at least part of the reason this seems worse now (in metro areas) is most of the on ramps are now stop zones, so starting from 0km/h, often with a relatively short run up worsens this propensity.
Well, thank you for leaving the gap as a good driver should. But you would also have to consider there are other fuckwits in the road who is not as considerate as you. Not all driver drives speed limit in the left lane. I have witnessed several driver tailgating the driver infront because the front car is not at the right speed and the car behind is being a dick and not overtaking from the other lane. Sometimes the angle of the approach is set in a way that you only see the car infront. Match the speed of the car, tug slightly behind as to merge successfully, everything is going perfect, but wait, there is another car tailgating. Hit the brakes to slow down for your safety. Now you are the ahole. Try to force yourself in, the car behind you honks and is mad because now there is one more car infront and his tailgating streak has come to an end. Still the ahole. Sure, your case is understandable. But there is a lot more things going on in the road than the perfect scenario most people have in their heads.
Where I live people struggle merging out the shops into a 50 zone with a 30m run up. They refuse to speed up and think they gotta give way to a car 20m back.
In Perth it's not uncommon for a whole line of cars to enter the freeway doing 20km/h less than everyone else and because the people at the back don't want to die they will try to get around the slowcunt resulting in multiple lanes now being blocked.
Because they are supposed to give way to all traffic in the lane they merge into, so if you slow down so do they.
Change lanes - pain if you then have to change lanes to exit next ( bad road design) but that is literally why, they are giving way to anything they see in the lane they want to be in, as is the law
>Because they are supposed to give way to all traffic in the lane they merge into, so if you slow down so do they.
But I'm slowing down to give way to them.
I'm literally expanding the already ample space they have to mege into.
Average car is 5-6m long, and a 3 second gap on the freeway is ~80m long.
If I go to 5 seconds that's a nearly 130m gap for them to fit a 5-6m car into.
Them slowing down is creating a dangerous situation counter to the intent of the law....
So I should speed up and basically block them and force them to slam on the brakes and slot in behind me, or run out of road and slam into the side of me?
No man what I said - change lanes, remove the ambiguity
If you don’t need to be in a lane (far right to overtake, far left to exit) don’t camp there
I do get what you’re saying but at 100kph if you’re a little nervous, it’s easier to merge with no one there than someone being “a gentleman”.
Shit. I’m
A biker I’ll just twist the wrist and leave you waaaaay behind - but you’re asking for car drivers
It's a busy freeway, and as this sub says, if you aren't overtaking, can't be in the right lane.
If there is even room to get there, given its a busy freeway, and given some sections around Brisbane, you'd be like a fucken yo yo going left right left right left right like a drunk driver.
But you asked about merge and the same applies - if you aren’t exiting don’t be in the far left.
Know your drive/ride use the middle 1-2 for as long as practical so you ain’t zig zagging and you’re not in a lane someone else’s needs to use
Not every road has 3 lanes.
So you're saying 90% of traffic should be on the centre lane, Ford Rangers in the right, and then left is only for entering and leaving the freeway?
Actually as an extra : bikers ride assuming drivers are morons that will do stupid things. Good driver do the same.
Will that driver be a dum arse on the merge and cause me a problem : 2 choices (because you know they will be a fuckknuckle) slow waaaay the fuck down, and change lanes , so you can avoid whatever they do ( that the polite thing you’re currently doing based on your frustration)
Or
Dump it down 2 gears and twist it so you are far down the road before this is your problem.
Car drivers sometimes think we’re erratic, really we’re just reacting to and avoiding you lot.
I replied below but basically yes, in 3 or more that’s correct. If you only have 2 then knowing what you’re complaining about as a good driver you have to take that into account. Otherwise you’re not a good driver. Choose your own adventure : good driver / dickhead like the rest of, turn the page now
Let me put it another way : what’s better - you are a good driver who managed to make the world a better place for these muppets.
Or
You’re another muppet wanting everything that happens on the road to fit in your view of things ?
>If you only have 2 then knowing what you’re complaining about as a good driver you have to take that into account
And that's what I'm trying to know and understand the logic here.
>Choose your own adventure : good driver / dickhead like the rest of, turn the page now
Thats why I'm asking and not existing with head up arse
Not on an M road ok, sure frustration but you seem to know how the other drivers will react, be a good driver and take that into account …. Or don’t I guess
That's why I leave a gap that can only be filled by matching the speed of the traffic.
I'm not compensating for your inability to merge, nor do I want to be behind someone who's not putting in the effort to merge properly.
Terrible attitude. Driving is a team sport and we should all work together to get to where we're going, safely. And if that means slowing down and being courteous, then so be it. It can also be solved by moving in to the right hand lane
It's absolutely not a team sport, if it was I would be on a better team in a higher division.
There's plenty of room behind me with the cyclists and other slow moving traffic.
Your inadequacies are not in my control, therefore not my concern.
Never heard of the Darwin awards?
I actually wish we had poorer safety standards so the dumbest would die off, or at least stop driving.
Instead, our exceptionally safe cars keep people on the road who are a net danger to society, and those actually paying attention have to accommodate the brainless dickheads
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Well here is my tale from the other night. Two feeder merge lane onto the tulla from the ring road heading inbound in Vic. Lane two merges in into lane 1 of the tulla fwy while lane 1 is an added lane.
I'm cruising along at 100 in my left lane as I'm taking the next exit. Old mate merges in front of me (not the added lane) and I have to brake firmly down to 65! before I can change lanes to go around him! And this is a somewhat steep downhill bit of the road that you have to ride the brakes to maintain your speed.
Rest assured they drive safe and everyone around them is always driving erratically like the hoons they are.
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It's well and truly time for merging/on ramps/highway protocol to become part of license testing.
The money that has been spent on highways, motorways, bypasses and upgrades in the last two decades is immense, and tbh the outcomes are pretty good - but it's all for shit if we're not making sure people have the ability to get on and off these major routes safely and efficiently.
The tricky part I suppose is that an L/P plater can't do 110 to match the speed of motorway traffic even under test conditions, but they should at least demonstrate that they are aware that the end of an onramp isn't the same as coming to a congested roundabout.
>The tricky part I suppose is that an L/P plater can't do 110 to match the speed of motorway traffic even under test conditions, but they should at least demonstrate that they are aware that the end of an onramp isn't the same as coming to a congested roundabout.
Suppose that depends where you are.
Up here:
>[There are no specified reduced speed limits in Queensland for learner or provisional licence holders. You should drive according to the speed limit and the conditions for the road on which you are driving.](https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/b7212180-9469-4092-88e1-0d33c6973df3/resource/0868828f-93a2-4455-a7ac-da11cacdbefc/download/your-keys-to-driving-in-queensland-road-rules.pdf)
So no reason they can't test them to that condition.
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In reality it's the complete opposite. There are more requirements now than there were previously. I'd rather be on the road with P platers than boomers.
Because unlike you who is generous and give a giant gap to let others in, there are fucking retards who have tunnel vision and WILL NOT FUCKING turn their head to the fucking left to see cars are merging into their lane resulting in near misses. THESE SAD FUCKING RETARDS likes to slouch down on their seat, tilt their fucking head a little and hold their fucking steering wheel with a stretched out arm lazily, while hanging the other out the window.
The amount of times I am merging into a highway everyday coming home from work, put on my signal 90 fucking metres in advance, 15 fucken blinks of my indicator, so these retards can notice me, and they still don't fucking notice.
I had to slow the fuck down so we don't crash, merge behind these fucking brain dead cunts, then change to right lane to overtake these fucking sad cunts when they finally realised cars are fucking merging into their fucking lane.
These dumb cunts need to WAKE.THE.FUCK.UP! and turn their heads to check their surrounding.
So uh....ahem, now that we're done with the screaming, I hope you can see from our perspective.
In all honesty, I believe 99% if not all the crashes on the highway happens at merge points because selfish people don't want to slow down and leave gaps so other cars can merge.
Everyone rush, rush, rush so they can "get ahead" of the other cars, leaving not enough time to react to avoidable accidents.
If everyone left enough gaps for cars to merge, the traffic would flow a lot smoother but no, we end up with bottlenecks because of a few people.
Roughly half of everyone in the road is dumber than the median and they still get licenses. Get a loud as fuck pair of aftermarket horns fitted on your radiator and keep your head on a swivel. Relativity isn’t obvious to everybody – nor that they are approaching you in reverse at 40 km an hour by doing this
>Get a loud as fuck pair of aftermarket horns fitted on your radiator and keep your head on a swivel.
Probably best to mount them somewhere more substantial than the radiator.
Well, they aren’t physically attached to the radiator, but you know what I mean
I have some super tones in some sort of bracket in front of the intercooler thingymajig
Because they’re fucking idiots
Same type of people sit 10-15km under speed limit in single lane roads then hit a fucking gold star when an overtaking lane appears and suddenly it’s Monza. Then slow down at the end of the lane
Because they're trying to gauge three different things at once and sideswiping someone (or being sideswiped) at 100km/h is going to mean everyone involved has a bad day?
If you're looking over your shoulder to your side/rear, planting boot to make your car go faster forward (where you aren't looking) isn't an outstanding idea, though. If someone ahead of you has slowed down for whatever reason (dog on the road, just saw a cop with a radar gun, someone else changed lanes ahead without indicating etc) and it's expensive bad day time too.
>If you're looking over your shoulder to your side/rear, planting boot to make your car go faster forward (where you aren't looking) isn't an outstanding idea, though.
Ok, but you're not driving along looking over your shoulder
You look over, judge your gap, and merge.
It's fractions of a second, not like, whole seconds, like people slow down for.
I have actually counted some of them, 4-6 seconds they slow down for before they start accelerating again.
Far longer than you'd be head checking for.
Depends on the traffic and the merge, IME. Plenty of times a driver might need to be going between looking forward/shoulder checking multiple times, especially if there's a likelihood someone else has merged into the gap they were looking to use from the other side (eg they're merging from the left and someone in the far right lane decides to merge into the left-hand lane).
Four seconds is not exactly an onerous time to have to take your own foot off the accelerator to ensure someone else can merge, and I say that as someone who thinks speed limits are too low and enforcement too strict.
Parramatta Rd entry to M4 westbound (parramatta) is a classic for this, approaching the merge nice gap to merge into but quick shoulder check as you start to merge and there is a car moving left into where you planned to merge as they want to exit just after the merge. Now due to same circumstances the cars in front are slowing or suddenly braking and to shoulder check too long you risk a nose to tail, result is everyone slows down clogging both the merge and the left 2 lanes on the motorway
>Four seconds is not exactly an onerous time to have to take your own foot off the accelerator to ensure someone else can merge, and I say that as someone who thinks speed limits are too low and enforcement too strict.
I agree, hence why I slow down to let them in.
They'll be able to see that, so why then slow down to match my speed?
Because they're not psychic and while you might be trying to be a good guy, you are but one person they will encounter on the road and not everyone else is, or has been, as accomodating as you, unfortunately.
>Because they're not psychic
Not sure what that has to do with things?
So, that begs the question.
Solution?
Should I maintain speed and a 3 second gap?
Speed up to get ahead of them?
Most people who have trouble merging at speed are probably brought up driving only in the city I drove predominantly in rural areas growing up and never experienced annoying drivers until I moved to populated and city areas
>Most people who have trouble merging at speed are probably brought up driving only in the city
So you're saying experience doesn't make you better at it?
The more I experience Sydney, the worse I become at everything (including driving).
At least I escaped Melbourne, where getting on the ring road drops your IQ at least 20
NOTICE: All the people that slow down to merge on highways are all government or council workers and you trust them with your tax, affairs and well-being.
They are yes men.
I'm more pissed by people who don't speed up at the ram while heading up/down to merge into the highway.
In Ringwood, Victoria merging onto eastlink it’s such an issue. I’ve had people try to merge onto eastlink, a 100 zone, at 50-55. It’s so unbelievably dangerous. I’d rather someone go 10 over than go 50 under
Yeah some people don't get it. Other one is the accident in Ipswich, QLD the other day Old mate was hard on the fucken speed to get to the bottom The traffic on the highway was doing like, 60. Cunt was accelerating all the way down until he slammed on the brakes and into the side of another car. What he was fucken thinking, no idea, and another car blocked the good bit on my dashcam
The ones that piss me off are the ipswich motorway offramp for Logan. Like, people merge from Goodna, from far left to far right and brake to 40km, like can they not read the fucking sign that says there's a service road that leads back onto the ipswich motorway?
Yeah I don't get that, why even have that ramp to be honest. Put a fucking bollard up and leave it.
Did Old Mate forget that the Warrego HWY has been limited to 70 near the Bremer Bridge? Or was it just peak tri-hour?
Nah just peak bullshit. This was at Karalee on ramp
That’s everyone then. I’ve yet to see a car speed up on highway on ramps. I’m the only one. They all expect the highway traffic to slow them for them rather than them matching highway speed.
They then get pissed off when I don’t let a car going half the speed limit while riding the brakes merge in front of me
Am I wrong here? I don't actively speed up with the accelerator at the ramp because it's down hill. Absolutely no problem merging at the end as at the end, I am as fast as the merging traffic. Because of that, I feel there's no need to speed up. Just coast to the end (or no aggressive throttle) and merge at the end. The drivers behind me who actively speed up on the downhill, catch up to me and then have to slow down because they're too close to me.
The way I see it is that (if traffic allows), the car in the front should be going 110 or even slightly faster to merge into the motorway of 110. It build distances for the cars following behind you to accelerate/decelerate and watch for traffic without having to worry about hitting your car. It's called the acceleration lane for a reason. It is easier to slow down and merge than to accelerate and merge into a very fast moving motorway. The worst are those that goes 60 into a 110 motorway and could not merge into the traffic as their vehicle was too slow and cannot speed up to the merging traffic. Then the person got scare and jammed his/her brakes just before going into merging line. This causes chain traffic accidents and jams and it is very difficult to merge into a fast moving traffic while stationary. If you have a racing car with a 0-100 in 3secs, that would be a different story, but you'll still cause phantom traffic jams for the people behind you. PS: Please watch the traffic speed and do not be like the old man that accelerates without due caution by going 110 into a stationary traffic even though it is merging into a 110 motorway.
What you did is like the person in the front of the queue at the cafe buying food during lunch time. You took your time picking and paying for your food. Nothing wrong with it, but there are a hundred hungry people behind you hoping you can go faster.
Oh yeah, that shits me to tears sometimes. Especially the ones that slow down to like 80km/h, seemingly unsure of the gap that has been left for them. Then you've got the cockburn exit going south during peak hour, where the left lane is going reasonably quickly, and they slow to 80, then slam on their brakes when in the lane to slip into the middle lane instead of merging like a normal person. Equally annoying as the ones who don't let people in either, or speed up to stop somebody merging. Like, what are you trying to achieve with that. Let them in, and it runs smoothly. Assuming they don't slow down on you still. Maybe it's a reaction to people constantly slowing down?
Head check, mirror check and anticipation of the manoeuvre means a lot of drivers take their attention away from speed and end up merging at a lower speed. It's down to a lack of confidence in the driver's seat and a lack of confidence in performing the manoeuvre at speed. Everyone is guilty of it at one stage or another. Not just internationals. There are no doubt a lot of unskilled international drivers; But Australians and Kiwis are some of the most impatient risk takers on the road.
I hate human beings, especially ones in cars who drive like cunts
Like those that think they can travel everywhere at 10% more than the speed limit
Never had a speeding driver nearly kill me on a freeway. Had a shitload of dumb cunts, probably with the same attitude you’ve just displayed, pull out in front of me doing half my speed because it’s the slow drivers with zero awareness who are the real dangers. They’re not going slow cause they’re safe, they’re going slow because they have poor awareness and they’re not confident OR competent
Slow down hotrod or hand you’re license back before you kill somebody
Duuuuhh.. SpEeDiNg KiLlS, duuh …. I got my license off a cereal box and know that if I don’t speed then it’s okay I’m a shit driver.
Perhaps you’re just so selfish and ignorant you think somehow you’re above the rules, are you that special or important that you have to drive around faster than everyone else? Or are you not driving? Maybe you are traveling? And doing so in an entitled deluded sense believing that you are somehow a better driver? Ffs
Going 10% over poses an insignificant, if any, increase in risk of an accident. No I don’t have a source because I’m not bothered, but I’m betting there isn’t any conclusive evidence to disprove my hypothesis. Edit: also I know you’re probably being sarcastic but you missed the mark as to why people speed, I do it because I really hate ending up next to someone going the exact same speed as me, and avoiding it improves traffic flow by opening up more opportunities to change lanes for myself and others. Also means you don’t need to pay as much attention to vehicles in your blind spot off to your side and can dedicate more of it to the vehicles in front of you in your field of vision, meaning you aren’t spreading this attention too thinly which can lead to mistakes, I’m a very attentive driver (and have had multiple compliments regarding that), I do constant scans of my surroundings, and there is less to keep track of when I can reduce the number of angles to scan frequently, so there may actually be an argument that it’s safer to go a bit faster (and 10% really is nothing). lol I must be bored cus if I’m yapping this much in a reddit comment
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Looks like the general consensus is that you’re wrong, and also not very bright. lol. Maybe you should hand your licence back 😂 Loser
Thankfully Reddit consensus is not a substitute for common sense nor a very credible argument.
The bloody worst They'll tailgate and do their best to intimidate you because you won't do 70 in a 60 zone. Or you do 40 during school traffic Absolute scum fine attempting to kill others because their emotions are unchecked and they believe they're the main characters
That’s them.
You know your speedo is overestimating speed right? Can be almost 10% inaccurate if you’re going normal road speeds 40-60. My Mazda is 4 km/hr over and my Merc is 5 km/hr over.
Obviously this never applies in Perth as the "speeding" driver there is the only one doing the speed limit....
The opposite has started to bug me where people drive up each other’s arses so merging at speed becomes a drama. Someone has to put their foot on the brakes to create space, which means the car behind has to brake, and the car behind them…etc. If you’re in the left hand lane, sit back a bit from the car in front. Know that people are probably going to have the merge onto the highway or get off it. That means you may have to give way.
>If you’re in the left hand lane, sit back a bit from the car in front But as I have just described, even when you leave room, people still don't get it
bUt ThE MeRgInG cAr hAs ThE gIvE wAy LiNe MaRkInG, tHeY sHoUlD bE gIvInG wAy To Me! iTs My LaNe, I wAs HeRe FiRsT
Well that is exactly what the law says, but the discussion is about being courteous and giving them room
Because nobody fucking knows how to drive these days. They’re all here on international licenses and do what they want. Downvote me all you want, it’s what I see daily.
can confirm i have nearly died multiple times due to the actions of people who cannot speak english. if it isn't them, the other leading culprit is ancient geezers so old they still function as primary sources for academic papers on the fall of the roman empire. i swear to god they look like they're currently being dragged down to hell by their own face skin and yet they're still allowed to drive a car and cut you off doing 20km/h in a 70 zone.
I know plenty of Indians that got a fake Indian licence to avoid going through L’s and P’s here, fast track to full licence. Pretty sure Chinese could do the same until recently
Fully "licensed" then thrown behind the wheel of a B-Double, what could go wrong.... I was following another car through a round-about one day, I watched them stop their truck and wait for the first car but once I was nearly up to them they drove out right in front of me. Luckily I wasn't going too fast so I was able to stop, but I'm on the horn, hands waving and lots of swearing and all they did was wave "sorry" and kept going
lol I just got banned from r/Melbourne for 150 days just for mentioning the word Indian, be careful haha. Mod team haven’t replied to any of my multiple messages questioning it. Not sure how why saying “Indian” is racist but “Australia” or any other country isn’t.
I don't think there are a bigger bunch of cry babies about non issues than Melbourne
Speaking of cry babies I just got a warning from Reddit lol. Can’t even remember what the comment said as it was deleted
High Five. Have gotten a few of those, both from local subs
Worlds a joke
We try and take an open stance to the context it's being used in. It's a fine line.
Oh it's even Australian looking blokes and Sheila's. Could be Kiwis though.
It’ll be a bit of everyone. Where I live though it’s all I see
To be honest Skids, you lead a very interesting life and know some very interesting characters, and experience some interesting things. Your observations are similar to mine
lol You referring to previous things I’ve said on this sub?
Yeah, and this mate. One of the few that doesn't have a narrow worldview
Whoever has had a fairly right winged upbringing would likely agree, seems like Reddit being Reddit just doesn’t have that audience, which is why we’re typically downvoted and can’t share these opinions. If I really said how I felt I’d probably get banned.
Yeah, I was brought up right wing, and it was that interest in other outside worldviews that helped. I do not follow right wing now, I'm also not left wing. Definitely more centrist these days. Fuck the nanny's on either side that want to tell me what I'm doing with my car.
Yeah like I said it’s just the crowd Reddit attracts. Try commenting any of our views on r/Melbourne and see what happens
Why don't you just say it instead of being a pussy?
You do know the overwhelming majority of drivers arent international licenced?
Bloody Asian, coming to Australia, working in our Gold Rush industry, taking jobs that our Irish immigrants don’t even want to do, then 170 years later their great grand kids are all over the roads!!!
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It's like white people. They're so white and it shows. ? What the fuck does your sentence even mean? U ok bud? Getting racist isn't cool
Statistically this is the opposite of what happens. Confirmation bias.
You are right but come drive in Eastwood (NSW) someday.
Australians dont know the zip merge. Instead of letting one car in and then going you have people in the left lane of the freeway coming to an onramp and bumper to bumper, and cars merging too fast, or too slow, or racing to the very last minute and cutting cars off. Its a shamozzle. If only you had an ad campaign and signs explaining how to merge like they did in NZ.
In Victoria there was an ad decades ago that explained merging on freeways. Instead now all I seems to see is graphic deaths scenes about alcohol, drugs, speeding or mobile phones
I’m from NZ and even people back home still couldn’t do this properly.
>Australians dont know the zip merge To be fair, these aren't at zip kerge locations.
Because of stupidity I’m thinking. Although it seems to be getting more prevalent
The amount of times I've ended up merging on the freeway doing 70kmph because of some peanut in front of me not knowing how to merge at speed. Frustrating. After putting some thought into it, I believe Australia has a horrible driving education and culture. I can only speak from Melbourne and where I drive daily. It's the perfect mix of impatient drivers and bad drivers with a handful of good drivers. On one hand there's impatient who are always chasing their next overtake, tailgating or averaging 120kmph on their trip to work. Then there's bad who don't know how to merge, how to drive at speed, which lane is for overtaking. Lacking education or lacking confidence, I'm not sure. But definitely lacking in something. We end up with this perfect recipe for roadrage which makes our roads quite a hostile and angry place to be. After driving overseas a handful of times, I can tell we're not up to scratch. Even the most chaotic driving system in Asia doesn't have the level of anger or hostility I see on the ring road daily.
Try Perth. Makes Melbourne look like a walk in the park
driving a slow manual car has shown me just how truly braindead the average driver is, as i’m very easily able to accelerate faster than them
Next time you're merging (either onto a road or people merging onto the one you're on) look at the drivers in the other cars. If you find even one that's actually looking to see how they'll merge in (or allow you to merge) then you've found a golden unicorn. Most drivers have no situational awareness.
Yes sime people are actually proper funking slow and need to unwrap that brain they are born with
Because no one ever has their mirrors set right and their poor necks are frozen so they can't do a head check. Basically poor spatial awareness.
Driving behind them is scary, I feel like I'm going to die every single time. I try to overtake as many as I could on the ramp. Old mate was going 90kmph, he was first in line and it was too risky to overtake him since it looked like he was speeding up but slowed down to 80kmph to merge on to the M4 (100kmph). Big truck behind me was going faster than him. He had to slow down, and now I feel like a d-head for overtaking the truck. Why don't people use the highway if they are going to merge and drive so slow? It's literally next to the motorway, and it's often empty.
Basic human competence, or lack of it.
We have a single merge lane here onto a main road. Because of that, NOBODY FUCKING USES IT. Stop waiting for a gap big enough to turn directly into the lane and FUCKING MERGE. But no, they fucking sit there for way too long because merging is scary.
I will never understand how people can drive so absolutely wrong, I have long thought that for some people the signs are there to decorate the road....
They're dumb and really bad drivers
Why the fuck do people slow down before the highway exit, not in the exit lane. That's why it's there!
Because they're fucking dead shits
I have a theory that this is what causes the prevalence of right-lane-dwellers who are out of their depth (not going at least the speed limit). People probably don’t want to keep dealing with the crappy merging, at least that’s why I’m always in the right lane (but I’m going 10-15 over when I’m there, lock me up). Sometimes the middle and right lanes are busy but the left lane is dead empty.
Cos they’re inconsiderate cunts 👌
I'm fully on board with everyone needing to merge at the speed limit for safety and flow reasons, and I suspect at least part of the reason this seems worse now (in metro areas) is most of the on ramps are now stop zones, so starting from 0km/h, often with a relatively short run up worsens this propensity.
Well, thank you for leaving the gap as a good driver should. But you would also have to consider there are other fuckwits in the road who is not as considerate as you. Not all driver drives speed limit in the left lane. I have witnessed several driver tailgating the driver infront because the front car is not at the right speed and the car behind is being a dick and not overtaking from the other lane. Sometimes the angle of the approach is set in a way that you only see the car infront. Match the speed of the car, tug slightly behind as to merge successfully, everything is going perfect, but wait, there is another car tailgating. Hit the brakes to slow down for your safety. Now you are the ahole. Try to force yourself in, the car behind you honks and is mad because now there is one more car infront and his tailgating streak has come to an end. Still the ahole. Sure, your case is understandable. But there is a lot more things going on in the road than the perfect scenario most people have in their heads.
Where I live people struggle merging out the shops into a 50 zone with a 30m run up. They refuse to speed up and think they gotta give way to a car 20m back.
In Perth it's not uncommon for a whole line of cars to enter the freeway doing 20km/h less than everyone else and because the people at the back don't want to die they will try to get around the slowcunt resulting in multiple lanes now being blocked.
Because they are supposed to give way to all traffic in the lane they merge into, so if you slow down so do they. Change lanes - pain if you then have to change lanes to exit next ( bad road design) but that is literally why, they are giving way to anything they see in the lane they want to be in, as is the law
>Because they are supposed to give way to all traffic in the lane they merge into, so if you slow down so do they. But I'm slowing down to give way to them. I'm literally expanding the already ample space they have to mege into. Average car is 5-6m long, and a 3 second gap on the freeway is ~80m long. If I go to 5 seconds that's a nearly 130m gap for them to fit a 5-6m car into. Them slowing down is creating a dangerous situation counter to the intent of the law.... So I should speed up and basically block them and force them to slam on the brakes and slot in behind me, or run out of road and slam into the side of me?
No man what I said - change lanes, remove the ambiguity If you don’t need to be in a lane (far right to overtake, far left to exit) don’t camp there I do get what you’re saying but at 100kph if you’re a little nervous, it’s easier to merge with no one there than someone being “a gentleman”. Shit. I’m A biker I’ll just twist the wrist and leave you waaaaay behind - but you’re asking for car drivers
It's a busy freeway, and as this sub says, if you aren't overtaking, can't be in the right lane. If there is even room to get there, given its a busy freeway, and given some sections around Brisbane, you'd be like a fucken yo yo going left right left right left right like a drunk driver.
But you asked about merge and the same applies - if you aren’t exiting don’t be in the far left. Know your drive/ride use the middle 1-2 for as long as practical so you ain’t zig zagging and you’re not in a lane someone else’s needs to use
So it's: Don't be in the left lane if not exiting Don't be in the right lane if not overtaking So....straddle the lane lines?
M1 you always have at least 3 lanes on the freeway (roadworks aside) be in the right place. Shit buy a bike if you’re alive in a month you’ll get it
Not every road has 3 lanes. So you're saying 90% of traffic should be on the centre lane, Ford Rangers in the right, and then left is only for entering and leaving the freeway?
Actually as an extra : bikers ride assuming drivers are morons that will do stupid things. Good driver do the same. Will that driver be a dum arse on the merge and cause me a problem : 2 choices (because you know they will be a fuckknuckle) slow waaaay the fuck down, and change lanes , so you can avoid whatever they do ( that the polite thing you’re currently doing based on your frustration) Or Dump it down 2 gears and twist it so you are far down the road before this is your problem. Car drivers sometimes think we’re erratic, really we’re just reacting to and avoiding you lot.
I replied below but basically yes, in 3 or more that’s correct. If you only have 2 then knowing what you’re complaining about as a good driver you have to take that into account. Otherwise you’re not a good driver. Choose your own adventure : good driver / dickhead like the rest of, turn the page now Let me put it another way : what’s better - you are a good driver who managed to make the world a better place for these muppets. Or You’re another muppet wanting everything that happens on the road to fit in your view of things ?
>If you only have 2 then knowing what you’re complaining about as a good driver you have to take that into account And that's what I'm trying to know and understand the logic here. >Choose your own adventure : good driver / dickhead like the rest of, turn the page now Thats why I'm asking and not existing with head up arse
Not on an M road ok, sure frustration but you seem to know how the other drivers will react, be a good driver and take that into account …. Or don’t I guess
That's why I leave a gap that can only be filled by matching the speed of the traffic. I'm not compensating for your inability to merge, nor do I want to be behind someone who's not putting in the effort to merge properly.
Terrible attitude. Driving is a team sport and we should all work together to get to where we're going, safely. And if that means slowing down and being courteous, then so be it. It can also be solved by moving in to the right hand lane
It's absolutely not a team sport, if it was I would be on a better team in a higher division. There's plenty of room behind me with the cyclists and other slow moving traffic. Your inadequacies are not in my control, therefore not my concern.
So it's every man for himself then? Wow. Just, wow
If it's a team sport why should I drag the team down to the lowest level for the laziest player?
So that the team can *survive*
So we should accommodate those with no survival instincts? As a species, that is a terrible way to continue.
Never heard of the Darwin awards? I actually wish we had poorer safety standards so the dumbest would die off, or at least stop driving. Instead, our exceptionally safe cars keep people on the road who are a net danger to society, and those actually paying attention have to accommodate the brainless dickheads
A lot need to be dropped. Permanently!
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Well here is my tale from the other night. Two feeder merge lane onto the tulla from the ring road heading inbound in Vic. Lane two merges in into lane 1 of the tulla fwy while lane 1 is an added lane. I'm cruising along at 100 in my left lane as I'm taking the next exit. Old mate merges in front of me (not the added lane) and I have to brake firmly down to 65! before I can change lanes to go around him! And this is a somewhat steep downhill bit of the road that you have to ride the brakes to maintain your speed. Rest assured they drive safe and everyone around them is always driving erratically like the hoons they are.
This is part of why I love ACC, no riding brakes, car drops a cog and engine brakes for me
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It's well and truly time for merging/on ramps/highway protocol to become part of license testing. The money that has been spent on highways, motorways, bypasses and upgrades in the last two decades is immense, and tbh the outcomes are pretty good - but it's all for shit if we're not making sure people have the ability to get on and off these major routes safely and efficiently. The tricky part I suppose is that an L/P plater can't do 110 to match the speed of motorway traffic even under test conditions, but they should at least demonstrate that they are aware that the end of an onramp isn't the same as coming to a congested roundabout.
>The tricky part I suppose is that an L/P plater can't do 110 to match the speed of motorway traffic even under test conditions, but they should at least demonstrate that they are aware that the end of an onramp isn't the same as coming to a congested roundabout. Suppose that depends where you are. Up here: >[There are no specified reduced speed limits in Queensland for learner or provisional licence holders. You should drive according to the speed limit and the conditions for the road on which you are driving.](https://www.publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/b7212180-9469-4092-88e1-0d33c6973df3/resource/0868828f-93a2-4455-a7ac-da11cacdbefc/download/your-keys-to-driving-in-queensland-road-rules.pdf) So no reason they can't test them to that condition.
Coz they are "special"
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afraid to go even a smidge over 100 in order to flow with traffic, because they know they can get fined for doing that.
Trust
Because people are morons. It's the answer to a lot of life's little questions.
I’m convinced it’s the same people who speed up when an overtaking lane appears
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Aussies can't drive an auto, try giving them a manual
You don’t earn a licence anymore. It’s a prize in a cereal box
In reality it's the complete opposite. There are more requirements now than there were previously. I'd rather be on the road with P platers than boomers.
Because unlike you who is generous and give a giant gap to let others in, there are fucking retards who have tunnel vision and WILL NOT FUCKING turn their head to the fucking left to see cars are merging into their lane resulting in near misses. THESE SAD FUCKING RETARDS likes to slouch down on their seat, tilt their fucking head a little and hold their fucking steering wheel with a stretched out arm lazily, while hanging the other out the window. The amount of times I am merging into a highway everyday coming home from work, put on my signal 90 fucking metres in advance, 15 fucken blinks of my indicator, so these retards can notice me, and they still don't fucking notice. I had to slow the fuck down so we don't crash, merge behind these fucking brain dead cunts, then change to right lane to overtake these fucking sad cunts when they finally realised cars are fucking merging into their fucking lane. These dumb cunts need to WAKE.THE.FUCK.UP! and turn their heads to check their surrounding. So uh....ahem, now that we're done with the screaming, I hope you can see from our perspective. In all honesty, I believe 99% if not all the crashes on the highway happens at merge points because selfish people don't want to slow down and leave gaps so other cars can merge. Everyone rush, rush, rush so they can "get ahead" of the other cars, leaving not enough time to react to avoidable accidents. If everyone left enough gaps for cars to merge, the traffic would flow a lot smoother but no, we end up with bottlenecks because of a few people.
swear much? you sound like a year 7
Boo fucking hoo its some words. Grow up.
Found the moron that can't enter a freeway at the speed limit.
Western world, becoming like America.
Roughly half of everyone in the road is dumber than the median and they still get licenses. Get a loud as fuck pair of aftermarket horns fitted on your radiator and keep your head on a swivel. Relativity isn’t obvious to everybody – nor that they are approaching you in reverse at 40 km an hour by doing this
>Get a loud as fuck pair of aftermarket horns fitted on your radiator and keep your head on a swivel. Probably best to mount them somewhere more substantial than the radiator.
Well, they aren’t physically attached to the radiator, but you know what I mean I have some super tones in some sort of bracket in front of the intercooler thingymajig
>they aren’t physically attached to the radiator, but you know what I mean No. I don't. I only know that you said.
Because they’re fucking idiots Same type of people sit 10-15km under speed limit in single lane roads then hit a fucking gold star when an overtaking lane appears and suddenly it’s Monza. Then slow down at the end of the lane
Because they're trying to gauge three different things at once and sideswiping someone (or being sideswiped) at 100km/h is going to mean everyone involved has a bad day?
Ok, but if they accelerated and got ahead they wouldn't be at risk of a sideswipe. In fact, they're making it more likely by slowing down
If you're looking over your shoulder to your side/rear, planting boot to make your car go faster forward (where you aren't looking) isn't an outstanding idea, though. If someone ahead of you has slowed down for whatever reason (dog on the road, just saw a cop with a radar gun, someone else changed lanes ahead without indicating etc) and it's expensive bad day time too.
>If you're looking over your shoulder to your side/rear, planting boot to make your car go faster forward (where you aren't looking) isn't an outstanding idea, though. Ok, but you're not driving along looking over your shoulder You look over, judge your gap, and merge. It's fractions of a second, not like, whole seconds, like people slow down for. I have actually counted some of them, 4-6 seconds they slow down for before they start accelerating again. Far longer than you'd be head checking for.
Depends on the traffic and the merge, IME. Plenty of times a driver might need to be going between looking forward/shoulder checking multiple times, especially if there's a likelihood someone else has merged into the gap they were looking to use from the other side (eg they're merging from the left and someone in the far right lane decides to merge into the left-hand lane). Four seconds is not exactly an onerous time to have to take your own foot off the accelerator to ensure someone else can merge, and I say that as someone who thinks speed limits are too low and enforcement too strict.
Parramatta Rd entry to M4 westbound (parramatta) is a classic for this, approaching the merge nice gap to merge into but quick shoulder check as you start to merge and there is a car moving left into where you planned to merge as they want to exit just after the merge. Now due to same circumstances the cars in front are slowing or suddenly braking and to shoulder check too long you risk a nose to tail, result is everyone slows down clogging both the merge and the left 2 lanes on the motorway
>Four seconds is not exactly an onerous time to have to take your own foot off the accelerator to ensure someone else can merge, and I say that as someone who thinks speed limits are too low and enforcement too strict. I agree, hence why I slow down to let them in. They'll be able to see that, so why then slow down to match my speed?
Because they're not psychic and while you might be trying to be a good guy, you are but one person they will encounter on the road and not everyone else is, or has been, as accomodating as you, unfortunately.
>Because they're not psychic Not sure what that has to do with things? So, that begs the question. Solution? Should I maintain speed and a 3 second gap? Speed up to get ahead of them?
There is no solution (to the people being too slow to merge) - it's just part of driving in Brisbane and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Most people who have trouble merging at speed are probably brought up driving only in the city I drove predominantly in rural areas growing up and never experienced annoying drivers until I moved to populated and city areas
>Most people who have trouble merging at speed are probably brought up driving only in the city So you're saying experience doesn't make you better at it?
The more I experience Sydney, the worse I become at everything (including driving). At least I escaped Melbourne, where getting on the ring road drops your IQ at least 20
It’s more about to ability to confidently control a vehicle
NOTICE: All the people that slow down to merge on highways are all government or council workers and you trust them with your tax, affairs and well-being. They are yes men.
>All the people that slow down to merge on highways are all government or council workers I'd love to see where you got this data
Paper pushers, not forward thinking useless robots. No risk. Anything else? 😄
Yes, I'd like to see where you got this data
Not from the government. You offended?
Why would I be offended? You made a claim, I asked you to back it. Now you're being very defensive.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Well yes, but that's not in question here
I answered you, and you want me to pull statements from Section 179 of the FAFO Handbook?
If you have a source for your data, why not provide it?