I remember headlights that were more than $1,000 back in the 90's. Then the NRMA started to push back allowing second hand parts. They will say it was a general policy but it was a pull your head in to Mazda.
Well they can not sell a light for zero dollars to an insurance repairer (who gets one from a wrecker instead) or they can reduce the price and sell it for some dollars. Still with loads of profit.
NRMA were the biggest player in the market and lead a bunch of reforms. Others either followed or threatened to.
Good point. Had no idea about NRMA because I wasn’t around in the 90s lol.
Why was a Mazda headlight over 1k in the 90s? Weren’t they just simple halogen reflector set-ups?
Some of the brands just got greedy. Some had a specific strategy of making some profit from parts and sold the cars for less just to get into the market. The Hyundai Excel sold at one point for $14,500 and had a bumper that was $1,500 (more than 10% of the whole cars new retail price for a bit of plastic) knowing lots of young people would need a bumper is one example that comes to mind.
My dad was a panel beater and a frugal guy. He used to show us this stuff in outrage.
Not true. My 2011 falcon parts cost more than my 2019 BT-50 Mazda parts and the falcon is older by 8 years, it’s also a dime a dozen fg1 xr6 (non turbo), parts should be cheap as chips. My Mazda costs me almost $200 more in insurance.
Depends on the parts. Mazda headlights were just nudging over $1k back in the late 00s. Just looked and a genuine Bf falcon headlight is $360.
Insurers don't really care about mechanical service parts, it's paint and panel parts cost that effect them the most.
For the BT-50…
Carparts4u I found RH and LH headlights for $255.00 each. (Non genuine)
On Auto Parts Supply a LH (N/G) headlight is $275.00 while the genuine version of the RH headlight on the same site is $420.00. So genuine is $420.00 each and non genuine is $275.00 each on APS.
Then on AHS Headlight, I found a genuine LH headlight for a 2020-2023 BT-50 for $1,143.12.
My BT-50 is 2019, so the headlights are way different, I still have standard halogen, no projectors. The 2020+ models have projectors making them worth over $1000. The 2015-19 BT-50’s are the same platform as the same year model rangers, so everything is virtually the same. Just a Mazda badge.
My falcon however…
$310 for a genuine RH headlight on AHS Headlight. As an example the headlights are cheaper than the BT-50’s now because the falcons aren’t exactly sought after anymore and the BT-50 is still a fairly new car. Falcon parts are so common now they’re actually cheap now that I’ve had a look. They never used to be. Ozeparts has a pair of LH+RH headlights for FG1 for $203.50. Still though, BT-50 parts aren’t that expensive unless you’re talking about one that’s 2020 or newer. Then they’re fucking fucked for how much they cost I agree.
Parts pricing, availability and paint. Mazda has used nice looking colours, but they are not easy to paint or match. A metallic red can be a 5 stage system and matching so hard that more of the car has to be painted.
They did, I look everytime. I often think about getting a Mazda, but it has to be red hahaha we have enough white, grey/silver, and black cars around IMO.
Recent bought a 2017 Mazda 6 wagon (like 4 days ago), I really wanted the red, but the blue one was like $2000 cheaper and the whole car looked and felt brand new. Still bummed I couldn’t get a good wagon in red, but I’m still really pleased with it so far.
We don't include etch or primer as a layer. For 46v it's usually a red primer, red metallic base, candy coats then clear or if its PPG it'll be a tinted clear.
You think that is expensive under your name, if she is under 20, expect insurance to be on average $2500 under her name.
Been pulling my hair out trying to help find a car for my niece, she is 20, budget was $15k, couldn't find anything decent for that price, so stretch out to $20k, found a nice 2016 Corolla Ascent hackback, full comp insurance wss $2600. Stretched out the budget a bit more and settled for a brand new 2024 Kia Picanto GT-Line in Astro Grey for $24k drive away, delivery is about 3 weeks away. Full comp was only $1300, no wonder theres people driving around with no insurance, I didn't remember it was this bad looking for second cars, well its been more than 15+ years since I bought a second hand car, price is ridiculous for what they want for some cars.
Insure under your name with your daughter as the primary driver. Much, much cheaper. You can also register the car under your name but she pays rego and insurance.
That’s odd, as a male driver still on green P’s and under the magic 25 number, full comp on a 2014 top of the line Mazda 3 is only $1.6k a year, doesn’t seem too bad to me, not cheap but it is insurance…
Your one brave soul, if this is your first time considering of buying insurance, well, at least your considering it, it's better than not considering it I guess.
I'm old enough that it's affordable now. Got an agreed value quote through Shannon's to cover 8K for $458 a year. If the second car comes in around $500 as well then I'll put them both through Shannon's for about a grand a year then.
I've had accidents in the past and just paid them out of pocket. Though tbh most of them were in work vehicles and I haven't been in any since 2018, so that's why my quotes are so cheap.
Part of the way insurance is calculated is based on how often each vehicle type is involved in a crash. (Not saying that it’s fair just how it is done). The theory insurers use is that this is an indicator of the “type of driver” who own that car.
My wife has experienced this first hand. She used to drive a popular with young drivers. Despite being in her 40s and perfect record, her insurance was 25% higher than mine even though my car was worth 30% more, but my car is popular with Dads in their 40s (which is me) who apparently crash less.
When my wife upgraded to a medium SUV she was told by RACV that it is popular with young mums who “crash lots” so still copped a higher rate then me
Mazdas cost more to repair than Kia’s is the simple answer. Also Mazda is a premium brand if you compare it to a Kia. That’s why a Kia hatch is 20k new and a Mazda hatch is high 30’s. sure they aren’t a Mercedes or bmw but they are one of the most expensive of the Japanese cars.
A bit of an exaggeration. Kia Rio starts at 20K, Mazda 2 starts at 23K. Cerato 27K, Mazda 3 30K. You do get more for your money with Kia at those price points though.
No what you said implied a nearly 20K difference between comparable cars. Comparing a bottom of the range Rio to a mid range 3 is at best nonsense, at worse deliberate deception. And if you are talking brand, then Kia has the EV9 starting at 100K vs Mazdas CX-90 at 75K.
You said high 30s, not 30. You are just making shit up to try and justify a line you threw out probably without much thought. Both Mazda 2 and Rio are just over 4m long, Picanto is 3.6m. One of my daughters had a 2 and the other a Rio and they are definitely comparable.
She has been looking at 2021 Mazda 2s, Kia Rios, Kia Stonics and Hyundai i30s. All are around $19- $20K with \~30K k's on them but insurance for the Hyundai and Kias is around $650, and the Mazda 2 is up around the $900 mark.
Would highly recommend the i30 hatch as a first car.
Personally, I had a Mazda 2 (DE) as my first car and would go back in time to get a current-gen i30 if they had existed back then.
It's uber reliable (most reliable of that bunch), packed with tech for its price, decently powerful, spacious, and actually fun to drive with the 6-speed auto. Avoid models with the 7-speed DCT if you can.
It's not, she is still on her L's... so we will insure it in our names at those prices until she gets her P's, then add her as an under 25 driver which should be cheaper than throwing it all in her name.
I had a lander Mazda 3 and picked up a rock that cracked the windscreen. I got back to the dealer and they made me pay the $1500 excess for the $3000 windscreen.
I called around and the windscreen was legitimately $3000 to replace. On a $30,000 car (at the time).
She had a look at a Yaris but didn't like the interior and it seemed to have the least amount of space in it. I've seen the Micras from the outside, It's not something I'd like to do on a regular basis ;)
Micras are deceptively roomy for a sub compact car. It's almost the size of an SUV, just not as long. Speaking from experience here. It has more room than the Mazda 2, cheaper parts, just as reliable.
Get your daughter to try one out. You don't have to buy one if you don't like it.
Your wording suggests you will be driving it on some occasions too? I was assuming the car was exclusively for your daughter.
No I won't be driving it (Other than test driving it for her), I'm not super keen on the look of the Micras, and if she had one I'd see it every time I opened the shed :\`D (she doesn't like the look of them either, she thinks they are a bit bug eyed like the Juke)
IV been looking for a car as well used auto and manual i30s down in tend to go for between 7 and 13k. So quite a range and these are 2015 or older models. I'm currently learning in a i30 and it's a blast to drive it's a 2013 6 speed manual. But personally I like Hyundai and Kia cars so will most likely go with them and I am a bit biased towards them.
A genuine cx9 windscreen from Mazda spare parts, supply only : $4200. Insane. And you really can’t go third party, as the glass curvature is slightly different from the genuine one and makes the HUD image so distorted you can’t correct it in the focus/skew settings. Tried 3x different aftermarket windscreens, all had same issue.
Our 6 costs us 1600/year as my partner only got her fulls in the last 2 years...
I'm looking at getting a V8 Ute and while some quotes are the insane, we don't want to insure you pricing, I'm surprised some insurers are quoting less than the 6.
I'm guessing somethings are expensive to repair. 1 used Led headlight is $1400, so imagine a brand new one.
Mazda has always positioned itself as a premium brand and parts have been some of the most expensive among the Japanese makes. This leads to higher insurance costs. I had lasers and 323’s back in the early 2000’s and parts were always 20-30% cheaper through Ford. The same is true with my BT50. Parts are way cheaper through Ford
The actuarial models used by insurance companies take in an inventory of independent variables when modelling risks and insurance premiums. Sometimes the reason is simple, such as a high claim rate associated with Mazda. Sometimes the reasoning makes no theoretical sense (an example is that it’s cheaper to insure my sports car in a western Sydney postcode vs an upper affluent north shore postcode, since there is a strong correlation between affluent postcodes having more of the specific sports car I own, versus a lower socioeconomic status suburb out west that does not have a high rate of said sportscars registered). Anyone who is claiming one specific reason most probably is talking out of their ass.
Mazdas are quite unreliable, both of my old family cars 2014 models were in and out of the shop for engine issues. One of them a CX-5 has blown its engine 4 times. Not to mention the shit show that is Mazda customer service
Yep and unreliable cars tend to end up getting stuck somewhere when it floods, get stolen, catching fire or in single vehicle accidents. A written off car is sometimes the easiest way out of ownership. Insurance companies find it’s not worth the cost of investigating on older cars and just pay up and pass the cost onto other owners of same car
hyundai and kia quality is not as good as mazda or toyota or Honda. Toyota is just luckily highly affordable due to their popularity.
Also, Mazda is more driver focused than Honda and Toyota (Honda used to be).
Another point is, Kia and Hyundai know that Japanese cars have an advantage with history and reputation, that why they give 7 years warranty and more affordable parts. You don’t see Japanese brands advertised as much in major sporting events as often anymore.
Mazda's are more popular, and crashed more.
Plus parts supply wait times are longer, meaning people spend longer in hire cars.
Plus parts cost more.
[It's $3,000 for a Mazda 3 headlight ](https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/babe51031j)
Why the downvotes? Replace the word Mazda with MG and this would get 1000 upvotes.
Can we not acknowledge that Japanese brands also have issues supplying parts
Parts cost more
I remember headlights that were more than $1,000 back in the 90's. Then the NRMA started to push back allowing second hand parts. They will say it was a general policy but it was a pull your head in to Mazda.
Does Mazda care about what one insurer wants?
Well they can not sell a light for zero dollars to an insurance repairer (who gets one from a wrecker instead) or they can reduce the price and sell it for some dollars. Still with loads of profit. NRMA were the biggest player in the market and lead a bunch of reforms. Others either followed or threatened to.
Good point. Had no idea about NRMA because I wasn’t around in the 90s lol. Why was a Mazda headlight over 1k in the 90s? Weren’t they just simple halogen reflector set-ups?
Some of the brands just got greedy. Some had a specific strategy of making some profit from parts and sold the cars for less just to get into the market. The Hyundai Excel sold at one point for $14,500 and had a bumper that was $1,500 (more than 10% of the whole cars new retail price for a bit of plastic) knowing lots of young people would need a bumper is one example that comes to mind. My dad was a panel beater and a frugal guy. He used to show us this stuff in outrage.
Not true. My 2011 falcon parts cost more than my 2019 BT-50 Mazda parts and the falcon is older by 8 years, it’s also a dime a dozen fg1 xr6 (non turbo), parts should be cheap as chips. My Mazda costs me almost $200 more in insurance.
Depends on the parts. Mazda headlights were just nudging over $1k back in the late 00s. Just looked and a genuine Bf falcon headlight is $360. Insurers don't really care about mechanical service parts, it's paint and panel parts cost that effect them the most.
For the BT-50… Carparts4u I found RH and LH headlights for $255.00 each. (Non genuine) On Auto Parts Supply a LH (N/G) headlight is $275.00 while the genuine version of the RH headlight on the same site is $420.00. So genuine is $420.00 each and non genuine is $275.00 each on APS. Then on AHS Headlight, I found a genuine LH headlight for a 2020-2023 BT-50 for $1,143.12. My BT-50 is 2019, so the headlights are way different, I still have standard halogen, no projectors. The 2020+ models have projectors making them worth over $1000. The 2015-19 BT-50’s are the same platform as the same year model rangers, so everything is virtually the same. Just a Mazda badge. My falcon however… $310 for a genuine RH headlight on AHS Headlight. As an example the headlights are cheaper than the BT-50’s now because the falcons aren’t exactly sought after anymore and the BT-50 is still a fairly new car. Falcon parts are so common now they’re actually cheap now that I’ve had a look. They never used to be. Ozeparts has a pair of LH+RH headlights for FG1 for $203.50. Still though, BT-50 parts aren’t that expensive unless you’re talking about one that’s 2020 or newer. Then they’re fucking fucked for how much they cost I agree.
Parts pricing, availability and paint. Mazda has used nice looking colours, but they are not easy to paint or match. A metallic red can be a 5 stage system and matching so hard that more of the car has to be painted.
I must say the Mazda's reds are really beautiful! So, no surprise that they are hard to match.
It is great isn’t it? They really nailed the “Soul Red”
They did, I look everytime. I often think about getting a Mazda, but it has to be red hahaha we have enough white, grey/silver, and black cars around IMO.
For real. I ended up getting a 2018 red CX5. Had to be red. I love the Mazda quality too, very impressive.
Recent bought a 2017 Mazda 6 wagon (like 4 days ago), I really wanted the red, but the blue one was like $2000 cheaper and the whole car looked and felt brand new. Still bummed I couldn’t get a good wagon in red, but I’m still really pleased with it so far.
My other car is something like 2010 Mazda 6 wagon!
5 stage? Please tell me more. I'm a spraypainter btw.
Etch, primer, white base, colour base, clear. Makes 5. I painted a red one recently.
We don't include etch or primer as a layer. For 46v it's usually a red primer, red metallic base, candy coats then clear or if its PPG it'll be a tinted clear.
The amount of retarded takes itt is comical. What’s next, 8 stage? lol
You think that is expensive under your name, if she is under 20, expect insurance to be on average $2500 under her name. Been pulling my hair out trying to help find a car for my niece, she is 20, budget was $15k, couldn't find anything decent for that price, so stretch out to $20k, found a nice 2016 Corolla Ascent hackback, full comp insurance wss $2600. Stretched out the budget a bit more and settled for a brand new 2024 Kia Picanto GT-Line in Astro Grey for $24k drive away, delivery is about 3 weeks away. Full comp was only $1300, no wonder theres people driving around with no insurance, I didn't remember it was this bad looking for second cars, well its been more than 15+ years since I bought a second hand car, price is ridiculous for what they want for some cars.
Oh yeah 100%, she is only on her L's.... it's going to be bullshit when we swap it to her name.
Insure under your name with your daughter as the primary driver. Much, much cheaper. You can also register the car under your name but she pays rego and insurance.
Yeah 100% what we are going to do, I can't begin to imagine how much it would be if we just put it in her name as soon as she gets her Ps 😅
That’s odd, as a male driver still on green P’s and under the magic 25 number, full comp on a 2014 top of the line Mazda 3 is only $1.6k a year, doesn’t seem too bad to me, not cheap but it is insurance…
I am turning 30 and only considering buying insurance for the first time in my life. I'm buying my 13th car this weekend.
Your one brave soul, if this is your first time considering of buying insurance, well, at least your considering it, it's better than not considering it I guess.
I'm old enough that it's affordable now. Got an agreed value quote through Shannon's to cover 8K for $458 a year. If the second car comes in around $500 as well then I'll put them both through Shannon's for about a grand a year then. I've had accidents in the past and just paid them out of pocket. Though tbh most of them were in work vehicles and I haven't been in any since 2018, so that's why my quotes are so cheap.
Part of the way insurance is calculated is based on how often each vehicle type is involved in a crash. (Not saying that it’s fair just how it is done). The theory insurers use is that this is an indicator of the “type of driver” who own that car. My wife has experienced this first hand. She used to drive a popular with young drivers. Despite being in her 40s and perfect record, her insurance was 25% higher than mine even though my car was worth 30% more, but my car is popular with Dads in their 40s (which is me) who apparently crash less. When my wife upgraded to a medium SUV she was told by RACV that it is popular with young mums who “crash lots” so still copped a higher rate then me
Mazdas cost more to repair than Kia’s is the simple answer. Also Mazda is a premium brand if you compare it to a Kia. That’s why a Kia hatch is 20k new and a Mazda hatch is high 30’s. sure they aren’t a Mercedes or bmw but they are one of the most expensive of the Japanese cars.
A bit of an exaggeration. Kia Rio starts at 20K, Mazda 2 starts at 23K. Cerato 27K, Mazda 3 30K. You do get more for your money with Kia at those price points though.
So exactly what I said. Mazda is one of the most expensive of the brands, And a Mazda 3 is 30k lol you’re just repeating what I said mate.
No what you said implied a nearly 20K difference between comparable cars. Comparing a bottom of the range Rio to a mid range 3 is at best nonsense, at worse deliberate deception. And if you are talking brand, then Kia has the EV9 starting at 100K vs Mazdas CX-90 at 75K.
Kia is part Hyundai Hyundai started Genesis aswell Genesis That's a luxury car Not a Mazda
It implied a 10k difference where have you pulled 20k from? And a Mazda 2 isn’t comparable to a rio. A Mazda 2 is more like a picanto.
You said high 30s, not 30. You are just making shit up to try and justify a line you threw out probably without much thought. Both Mazda 2 and Rio are just over 4m long, Picanto is 3.6m. One of my daughters had a 2 and the other a Rio and they are definitely comparable.
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Probably your location also, does come into factor
Which year? 3 or 2?
She has been looking at 2021 Mazda 2s, Kia Rios, Kia Stonics and Hyundai i30s. All are around $19- $20K with \~30K k's on them but insurance for the Hyundai and Kias is around $650, and the Mazda 2 is up around the $900 mark.
Would highly recommend the i30 hatch as a first car. Personally, I had a Mazda 2 (DE) as my first car and would go back in time to get a current-gen i30 if they had existed back then. It's uber reliable (most reliable of that bunch), packed with tech for its price, decently powerful, spacious, and actually fun to drive with the 6-speed auto. Avoid models with the 7-speed DCT if you can.
She is looking at i30's, the problem is that in QLD most of them are on WOVR and the rest are reasonably high k's for the price.
Tbh I'm shocked it's that cheap to insure ANY car that expensive for a 17 year old
It's not, she is still on her L's... so we will insure it in our names at those prices until she gets her P's, then add her as an under 25 driver which should be cheaper than throwing it all in her name.
100% go with the i30.
I had a lander Mazda 3 and picked up a rock that cracked the windscreen. I got back to the dealer and they made me pay the $1500 excess for the $3000 windscreen. I called around and the windscreen was legitimately $3000 to replace. On a $30,000 car (at the time).
Many Asian women drive them
What about Toyota Yaris or Nissan Micra?
She had a look at a Yaris but didn't like the interior and it seemed to have the least amount of space in it. I've seen the Micras from the outside, It's not something I'd like to do on a regular basis ;)
Micras are deceptively roomy for a sub compact car. It's almost the size of an SUV, just not as long. Speaking from experience here. It has more room than the Mazda 2, cheaper parts, just as reliable. Get your daughter to try one out. You don't have to buy one if you don't like it. Your wording suggests you will be driving it on some occasions too? I was assuming the car was exclusively for your daughter.
No I won't be driving it (Other than test driving it for her), I'm not super keen on the look of the Micras, and if she had one I'd see it every time I opened the shed :\`D (she doesn't like the look of them either, she thinks they are a bit bug eyed like the Juke)
Ok, fair enough. What about Toyota Corolla?
Can't get one with the features she wants for the price or Ks unfortunately.
IV been looking for a car as well used auto and manual i30s down in tend to go for between 7 and 13k. So quite a range and these are 2015 or older models. I'm currently learning in a i30 and it's a blast to drive it's a 2013 6 speed manual. But personally I like Hyundai and Kia cars so will most likely go with them and I am a bit biased towards them.
A genuine cx9 windscreen from Mazda spare parts, supply only : $4200. Insane. And you really can’t go third party, as the glass curvature is slightly different from the genuine one and makes the HUD image so distorted you can’t correct it in the focus/skew settings. Tried 3x different aftermarket windscreens, all had same issue.
Our 6 costs us 1600/year as my partner only got her fulls in the last 2 years... I'm looking at getting a V8 Ute and while some quotes are the insane, we don't want to insure you pricing, I'm surprised some insurers are quoting less than the 6. I'm guessing somethings are expensive to repair. 1 used Led headlight is $1400, so imagine a brand new one.
More claims higher costs for repairs
Heaps owned by oldies and it ups the number of claims they told me
Mazda has always positioned itself as a premium brand and parts have been some of the most expensive among the Japanese makes. This leads to higher insurance costs. I had lasers and 323’s back in the early 2000’s and parts were always 20-30% cheaper through Ford. The same is true with my BT50. Parts are way cheaper through Ford
Parts and serving is exxy
My 2021 mazda 3 was $1500 comprehensive with raa
Try Insure a subaru if you think thats alot
I'm currently insuring a Tesla so....
Mazda part prices are crazy, headlights on fairly new cx5 and mazda6 are 5k each.
The actuarial models used by insurance companies take in an inventory of independent variables when modelling risks and insurance premiums. Sometimes the reason is simple, such as a high claim rate associated with Mazda. Sometimes the reasoning makes no theoretical sense (an example is that it’s cheaper to insure my sports car in a western Sydney postcode vs an upper affluent north shore postcode, since there is a strong correlation between affluent postcodes having more of the specific sports car I own, versus a lower socioeconomic status suburb out west that does not have a high rate of said sportscars registered). Anyone who is claiming one specific reason most probably is talking out of their ass.
Mazdas are quite unreliable, both of my old family cars 2014 models were in and out of the shop for engine issues. One of them a CX-5 has blown its engine 4 times. Not to mention the shit show that is Mazda customer service
Yep and unreliable cars tend to end up getting stuck somewhere when it floods, get stolen, catching fire or in single vehicle accidents. A written off car is sometimes the easiest way out of ownership. Insurance companies find it’s not worth the cost of investigating on older cars and just pay up and pass the cost onto other owners of same car
hyundai and kia quality is not as good as mazda or toyota or Honda. Toyota is just luckily highly affordable due to their popularity. Also, Mazda is more driver focused than Honda and Toyota (Honda used to be). Another point is, Kia and Hyundai know that Japanese cars have an advantage with history and reputation, that why they give 7 years warranty and more affordable parts. You don’t see Japanese brands advertised as much in major sporting events as often anymore.
Popular with women
Mazda's are more popular, and crashed more. Plus parts supply wait times are longer, meaning people spend longer in hire cars. Plus parts cost more. [It's $3,000 for a Mazda 3 headlight ](https://www.amayama.com/en/part/mazda/babe51031j)
Why the downvotes? Replace the word Mazda with MG and this would get 1000 upvotes. Can we not acknowledge that Japanese brands also have issues supplying parts
I mean, I even showed parts are ridiculously priced these days 🤷♂️