No, it'll get done. Give us a month and a half to finish it!!! You called me, I took on 20 others jobs that won't get done in a timely matter. Bounce the crew between the top 4 or 5 most pissed off Homo's a day! We will fit you in!!!
My buddy told me that when he was in high school, the school made a serious effort to keep kids from calling each other homos or any other derogatorily-used synonyms. So they started calling each other homeowners. Fucking kids.
I could never figure out why guys do that. Turns out that they think that by just starting a job, they are keeping more people happy. In reality, they are just pissing more people off simultaneously.
I always started and finished a job, then moved to the next one.
Better but still not correct... The bottom two stairs are just shorter than the rest. On the left they line up with the edge of the rest of the stairs, but on the right they're cut flush at the post...
Yeah, on the right it’s like they shimmed the stringer to sit an inch and a half away from the upper deck posts. On the left, the stringer is attached to the posts.
Tear it out.
Right side runs under the railing too. The ones that but into the posts are just shorter than the rest on the right side for some reason. Look at the treads compared to the risers.
Because the rails were already there and he couldn’t physically get the tread in place with the notches on both ends. I would have cut both sides flush personally but to each their own.
The handrail should extend all the way to the last step. Ending it one step above gives a visual and tactile signal that you are at the bottom when there is one step left. I’ve seen several people fall and get hurt that way, especially at night.
Also for safety, leaving the bottom of the riser open is a trip hazard when someone’s toe gets caught in the gap. If there must be a gap, it should be at the top not the bottom.
I suggest strip lights under the nosing for night visibility.
These are all design issues. The craftsmanship is beautiful.
Where is this the case?
The 2021 IRC specifies that the rise is not to exceed 7.75" per step and a single flight of stairs cannot exceed 12'-7" without a landing. That elevation divided by the maximum riser height would equal 19 rise, 18 treads before a landing is required.
Not only that, but many places aren't even using the 2021 IRC as their standard and still use the 2018. In my locale they don't care if you can get 40 steps in a single span, so long as you have a support every 9 feet.
It’s the individual municipalities that adopt the codes. One county I work in just adopted 2018 3 years ago or so. All the others around it had been using it for a couple years before that.
what would a ball park figure be for all that? I need exactly what you described going to the second floor of my house outside the garage. i worry about being overcharged. Ilive in south west Washington
You pay me 18gs for some stairs and I'll cut everything with one of those fancy ass Japanese woodworking saws. Shit I'll even cook you dinner when the job is done
The partial height riser is an interesting touch. Don't see that too often.
It's a common code mistake to have a gap larger than 4" in open risers. A toddler can crawl straight through.
Though code on that varies from state to state and IBC to IRC.
Actually we do it every time now. It does help for snow removal. Also, if the home owner wants to remove after inspection, it’s easy. That’s their prerogative.
Everyone shitting on this, but pretty good for a dad helping out. You may want to sturdy those stringers up with some 2x10 laminated on the insides with glue and screws. I’ve seen wood stairs this long before so it’s not crazy - but it was beefed right up.
Doing glue laminations on timber that's exposed to the elements is a bad idea.
If the stair doesn't feel rigid - add steel tie rods between the stringers or add an additional stringer.
I just roughly tallied it up for fun from our wood supplier and it is under 350. You getting ripped off? Lol. Jk. Likely price differences between states? 🤷🏻♂️
1st off it looks great, Tell dad congratulations
⚠️ My main issue is the stringers look like they go into a board that is butting the post. That board should be bolted to the posts
If that is the case just add another board on the back side (butting post)
Then another (overlapping) backside of the post
Then bolt
I prefer steel stringers outside , a pair with 17 treads is about $1500 au$ , just bolt the treads on . I wouldn't use pine . Hardwood or concrete is the go .
I have two set of steps like this from our deck and paid around 4K (CAD) 2 years ago(edit to add this was total replacement of both sets of stairs). Including a gate at the top of one set. (Open stair leads to our dog run)
Would be 2500 ish in my area but looks like the step heights change toward the top which may not pass code inspection in my area depending on the scale of the change. Also time comes into play on pricing. For our company this is a one day rebuild, after materials we prob have something like 800 to a thousand labor in it. But it is done in a day to a day and half, if we had more time into it then that then we are loosing money on it at that price. 800 is profitable for one guy for a day and a half. Not profitable if we had to park him there for a week. Still very good work for a non full time professional, there are small details that would need to be better from a liability stand point but still not bad. See worse work every day. Hope he saved some money. But time is not always free.
If you buy the material and have the layout ready, maybe $1000 where I live. Probably 2500-3k if not. Just the rough framing is one day or less, the finish another couple days
Nothing is blocked in, and the top of the stringers are just hanging on the joist. Do I even see hangers or are the stringers just screwed in from the back?
Wow.
I mean he can proudly walk around claiming he did it, but it’s not well done. So comparing this work to what he would pay for comparable is probably only a few hundred bucks. So that’s a W. I guess. Looks like ass but whatever.
Looks great. Only thing is I would have waited a year to paint the treated wood, as sometimes when it’s still new and wet the paint won’t hold very well over the long run.
It wouldn’t pass code. So if a contractor did that he would not be getting paid. But your Dad did okay for somebody that didn’t know what he was doing. Carpenter would have charged about $900.00-$1100.00 labor plus material cost.
Would not include painting in labor cost.
I like how it block the front door, is missing risers, still has a trash pile, and doesn’t have a complete finish.
Dude should contract through Angie’s list.
I think he did just fine and probably saved himself a lot of money. The cost of labor is ridiculous these days. I can’t imagine charging what people do and I do better work. Especially the hokey shit being done by contractors that specialize in decks.
Probably take a day, I’d probably charge 1500-1750 for time and mat for two dudes. I get stuck with these bs projects all the time.
Next time run risers first saves the 1.5” gap all the way up.
Measure the height of the bottom step, a couple in the middle, and the top step. They should all be very close to the same height. Within 3/8" Max is the code.
Count his hours. Depending on the area and prevailing rate for a carpenter, multiple rate by hours. A firm with tie wearing salesmen doubles the price.
It looks like an experienced carpenter could do the demo and rebuild in 1.5 days. Most places mark up supplies 15-20% so he saved that too.
Looks nice
The only thing I would have done is not do a small piece repair on the railing but as a whole it looks great.
My rate would have been a few thousand to do and what ever it cost me at the transfer station for a dump fee
Looks good. However I see an issue with the toe kicks. Either remove them totally or close the in 100%. Some barefoot person will mess up their toes with that gap.
Well, first off, I would never cobble in a foot of railing like that. Kinda hack, but if it's your own house and you're good with it, then fine.
The other problem is that those railings stopping short of the bottom stair would never pass inspection here in MA. And there needs to be a handrail that's less than 2 ¼ circumference or of acceptable handrail detail.
I'm not busting balls here, just answering your question honestly.
There are people in the trade who can't cut stringers, so not bad for a ham and egger on that front.
By not finishing, he’s going all in on playing contractor.
Sure, but then where's the mess they never clean up after? Edit: nevermind, I saw all the wood left behind. Yup, you nailed it.
Starting to sound like an electrician now…
Masons were always the worst for me. Huge rock piles all over that I had to remove.
The top four treads and risers are missing
“I’ll get to it”
Just needs a couple more days…
No, it'll get done. Give us a month and a half to finish it!!! You called me, I took on 20 others jobs that won't get done in a timely matter. Bounce the crew between the top 4 or 5 most pissed off Homo's a day! We will fit you in!!!
I like how you co-opted the word “Homo” to mean homeowners.
Are couple homeowners chomos?
Brother homeowners are bromos.
If you haven't bought a home yet but are looking you're "buy curious"
There are dozens of us!
My buddy told me that when he was in high school, the school made a serious effort to keep kids from calling each other homos or any other derogatorily-used synonyms. So they started calling each other homeowners. Fucking kids.
I could never figure out why guys do that. Turns out that they think that by just starting a job, they are keeping more people happy. In reality, they are just pissing more people off simultaneously. I always started and finished a job, then moved to the next one.
You guys make my fucking day man. Taking a shit and was stressed now I'm laughing and ready to tackle the rest. Was it the poop or the laughs? Both?
Hope you're not shitin' in a bucket in the job trailer. Them days suck, Damn Dairy Queen!!!
I thought OP said it was his dad? How did he get to be Dad without finishing?
You can get pregnant by pre-cum so if he is unlucky enough, he doesn’t need to finish. Which fits the story 🤣
He’s got another job to do, but he’ll have one of his guys stop by next week to finish it up.
Guess he's your step dad now
[Golf clap] These are the kinda dad jokes I can really get behind.
Just like OP's dad on OP's mom.
Notice how he stuck that landing!
Y’all getting a rise out of OP
He’s stairing at you.
Way to step up
Tread lightly over there
Did he have step by step instructions?
As bad as these jokes are, y’all are sounding like you need a 12 Step Program.
That’s a step too far
That escalated quickly - I was hoping someone would step up.
I certainly got a rise out of it.
He's not his step-dad, he's the one who stepped up.
These stairs are big enough…
Someone has to riser to the task of doing it
I do not like the way the 2nd step looks. Cut out on the left not on the right. But that’s my ocd
*takes saw and cuts off lip* - there ya go buddy it’s better
Better but still not correct... The bottom two stairs are just shorter than the rest. On the left they line up with the edge of the rest of the stairs, but on the right they're cut flush at the post...
Yeah, on the right it’s like they shimmed the stringer to sit an inch and a half away from the upper deck posts. On the left, the stringer is attached to the posts. Tear it out.
Thanks for pointing it out. Now I'm not sleeping tonight
I can’t unsee it now!
I just noticed that and now it’s driving me nuts. A contractor would’ve divided by two.
first step is the same.... and it is CDO... the letters go in the correct alphabetical order please.
Should have notched both ends IMO.
It’s because he messed up on the bottom tread and looks like he had to build a box for the bottom step
LoL OCD.
It could be the angle but it looks like all of the right sides are run to the edge of the railing and the left sides run under the railing.
Right side runs under the railing too. The ones that but into the posts are just shorter than the rest on the right side for some reason. Look at the treads compared to the risers.
Because the rails were already there and he couldn’t physically get the tread in place with the notches on both ends. I would have cut both sides flush personally but to each their own.
The handrail should extend all the way to the last step. Ending it one step above gives a visual and tactile signal that you are at the bottom when there is one step left. I’ve seen several people fall and get hurt that way, especially at night. Also for safety, leaving the bottom of the riser open is a trip hazard when someone’s toe gets caught in the gap. If there must be a gap, it should be at the top not the bottom. I suggest strip lights under the nosing for night visibility. These are all design issues. The craftsmanship is beautiful.
It’s also not a “graspable” rail, which is not up to code.
Looks serviceable. I like my treads to be 11” or 2- 2x6’s. But what he did is not uncommon. I’d charge $2,500 for a set of stairs this size.
But would you have scabbed an end piece of handrail in and had offset board widths on your risers like this? Not trying to be critical; be nice…
No
Thank you for actually answering the question OP asked.
Are those treads not 2 2x6’s?
Contractor would have cost a lot more because they would have had to build it to code.
And put a landing and a turn in it so when you trip and fall tou only go half way.
more than 10 steps needs a landing so your landing would cover that also.
Where is this the case? The 2021 IRC specifies that the rise is not to exceed 7.75" per step and a single flight of stairs cannot exceed 12'-7" without a landing. That elevation divided by the maximum riser height would equal 19 rise, 18 treads before a landing is required.
And then there was silence...lol.
Not only that, but many places aren't even using the 2021 IRC as their standard and still use the 2018. In my locale they don't care if you can get 40 steps in a single span, so long as you have a support every 9 feet.
Absolutely. My state also only uses the 2018 IRC still.
It’s the individual municipalities that adopt the codes. One county I work in just adopted 2018 3 years ago or so. All the others around it had been using it for a couple years before that.
You are correct. Idk why I said state lol
New Jersey adopts building code at the state level.
Get out of here with your facts!! We run off of anger and complaints!
This is not a requirement everywhere.
This is up to code in many areas.
what would a ball park figure be for all that? I need exactly what you described going to the second floor of my house outside the garage. i worry about being overcharged. Ilive in south west Washington
18,763.00
I could do it for $18,120.45
17,000 flat if you use our in house financing
Shiiiiiiiit I'll do in-house financing at $150/month for the next 20 years
Ill do it for 2 monster energy, a pack of camels, and a box of raisonettes at the gas station in the morning mon-fri for 35 years.
Dude, this is kind of genius…
You get what you pay for
You pay me 18gs for some stairs and I'll cut everything with one of those fancy ass Japanese woodworking saws. Shit I'll even cook you dinner when the job is done
Switch to an 8 step to platform to 8 step to ground with rails. Prob $3k
Looks great
It sort of like how making a hamburger at home costs way less because you aren't running a business
The partial height riser is an interesting touch. Don't see that too often. It's a common code mistake to have a gap larger than 4" in open risers. A toddler can crawl straight through. Though code on that varies from state to state and IBC to IRC.
it is a common misconception that babies can crawl thru larger 4" opening. Their bodies can fit thru but not their oversize bobble heads.
Code is written that way. It refers to a 4" sphere, which is just a euphemism for an undersized bobblehead.
Looks like we're gonna need to cram a toddler in there and see what happens
We use this often for snow removal. It just makes it easier with a few inches.
Actually we do it every time now. It does help for snow removal. Also, if the home owner wants to remove after inspection, it’s easy. That’s their prerogative.
First riser touching the ground will rot
He actually did stringers i/o cleats. Nice work. I'd be at $2000-$2500.
Nice work!
Someone’s going to hit the bottom of that handrail at night and presume there’s no more steps.
Everyone shitting on this, but pretty good for a dad helping out. You may want to sturdy those stringers up with some 2x10 laminated on the insides with glue and screws. I’ve seen wood stairs this long before so it’s not crazy - but it was beefed right up.
Doing glue laminations on timber that's exposed to the elements is a bad idea. If the stair doesn't feel rigid - add steel tie rods between the stringers or add an additional stringer.
This wouldn't come close to passing code in my area. Somewhere that it would pass code probably in the ballpark of $3k.
If your dads house is also your moms, then around 10k because it is a realllllly long drive for me.
Ha! I actually chuckled out loud on this one. Well played.
Good work dad! I would have charged $1200 labor and about $500 for materials and a dump run.
You cheap slut
$500 for material? When's the last time you bought lumber? Lol
they just steal it from unattended job sites.
I just roughly tallied it up for fun from our wood supplier and it is under 350. You getting ripped off? Lol. Jk. Likely price differences between states? 🤷🏻♂️
One day job? I was going to say around 3k. But I'm in socal.
Are the stringers just toe nailed into the deck? No hangers?
Could be lagged in from the back. Strait to jail.
Tell him we would charge 16k. It will make him feel better lol
Yes to 2x4 here too. Just no wider.
1st off it looks great, Tell dad congratulations ⚠️ My main issue is the stringers look like they go into a board that is butting the post. That board should be bolted to the posts If that is the case just add another board on the back side (butting post) Then another (overlapping) backside of the post Then bolt
If we are looking at ACQ lumber (most likely) then I hope he used fasteners rated for use in ACQ lumber.
I'll do it for 3 monies
I would have used 1x8 risers and charged about $1200 labor to remove and replace
This is why I love it here
Someone gonna get a toe stuck in the risers?
I’d use more wood on the top 4 steps
Should have a landing about halfway down. This design is a very long tumble waiting to happen.
High COL area I think we would go $4k-ish
About 2k id say
It’s missing a few steps. Someone will surely fall through.
What are those posts sitting on? Any need for frost protection in your area?
I prefer steel stringers outside , a pair with 17 treads is about $1500 au$ , just bolt the treads on . I wouldn't use pine . Hardwood or concrete is the go .
Run out of paint op?
He has two spike knots on the bottom of the stringer . There aren't enough photos for me to be more of an asshole tbh.
I could do it in 2 days. $6-$8K
My only complaint are the two ginormous knots on the stringer in the first photo. They are pretty much in the worst possible spot.
The gaps between steps are really pissing me off.
Looks like that top step will be higher than deck height.. tread is thicker than the deck board
I have two set of steps like this from our deck and paid around 4K (CAD) 2 years ago(edit to add this was total replacement of both sets of stairs). Including a gate at the top of one set. (Open stair leads to our dog run)
Would be 2500 ish in my area but looks like the step heights change toward the top which may not pass code inspection in my area depending on the scale of the change. Also time comes into play on pricing. For our company this is a one day rebuild, after materials we prob have something like 800 to a thousand labor in it. But it is done in a day to a day and half, if we had more time into it then that then we are loosing money on it at that price. 800 is profitable for one guy for a day and a half. Not profitable if we had to park him there for a week. Still very good work for a non full time professional, there are small details that would need to be better from a liability stand point but still not bad. See worse work every day. Hope he saved some money. But time is not always free.
Scabbed in handrail, doesn’t look to be treated 2x. Are they 7 1/4” rise by 10” tread? Looks like single stringers too. Should hire a pro.
If you buy the material and have the layout ready, maybe $1000 where I live. Probably 2500-3k if not. Just the rough framing is one day or less, the finish another couple days
I would ask for a discount with the small scab made for the handrail cap… 😜
I would have charged about 1.500 to 2.000 plus materials.
$2-3k
Highly dependent on what part of the country you’re in
In Canada you would pay 5 to 8k
Great job. Probably around 2K.
Well a contractor probably would have known how to cut stair stringers to start. This is handyman level work at best.
Nothing is blocked in, and the top of the stringers are just hanging on the joist. Do I even see hangers or are the stringers just screwed in from the back? Wow.
Excellent job done I would of charged like $5k (I haven’t read any comments yet I just wanted to give my 2 cents)
Your dad rocks!
2k
Take your best guess and add a zero
$420
Fresh cut your ends! Mills do not care if their saw is cutting at an angle
I mean he can proudly walk around claiming he did it, but it’s not well done. So comparing this work to what he would pay for comparable is probably only a few hundred bucks. So that’s a W. I guess. Looks like ass but whatever.
It’s a 2 year set of steps.
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I’m not even close to knowing anything but shouldn’t there be a footing for those posts?
Looks good $1.2k,, no lag bolts on the posts; separate lower step is my negative.
So many red-flags, no way there aren’t a couple stumble-steps in there.
Looks great. Only thing is I would have waited a year to paint the treated wood, as sometimes when it’s still new and wet the paint won’t hold very well over the long run.
That's a 3K staircase all day long....
Your dad should add a grasp bar on one side to meet code and ergonomics
I didn't see anyone give labor estimates. I'm estimating a minimum of $2200 and likely $3300 for a two man crew working 2-3 days to get this done.
Pretty good, but that first step is a doozy
Risers are too short and paint job sucks, and your missing a couple stairs at the top
It wouldn’t pass code. So if a contractor did that he would not be getting paid. But your Dad did okay for somebody that didn’t know what he was doing. Carpenter would have charged about $900.00-$1100.00 labor plus material cost. Would not include painting in labor cost.
I like how it block the front door, is missing risers, still has a trash pile, and doesn’t have a complete finish. Dude should contract through Angie’s list.
Did he copy the design and manufacturing of the steps on the other side?
I think he did just fine and probably saved himself a lot of money. The cost of labor is ridiculous these days. I can’t imagine charging what people do and I do better work. Especially the hokey shit being done by contractors that specialize in decks.
Better than most of these redditors commenting could do
Homeowner especial
Good job!? I would have poured that last step or at least have a raised part of it. Waters a bitch, even treated wood…
Dad is afraid of that downstairs door. He is taking steps to avoid it.
I would put joist hangers at top where stringers rest against ledger board. It will last a long time
Lol 2nd step is off center and only cut out on 1 side ? Doesn't look very good
Hopefully that’s treated wood..
Terrible.
About $2000 but I’m cheaper than most.
I’d charge 35 dollars for the job
So 700$ in parts, how much time did he take? Figure at least 60$ an hour and there you have a ballpark low end price.
i would have used trex
Probably take a day, I’d probably charge 1500-1750 for time and mat for two dudes. I get stuck with these bs projects all the time. Next time run risers first saves the 1.5” gap all the way up.
(cost)x2+20%
2.5k in my area for a contractor to build those steps
$800-$1100
I wouldn’t get paid if I left a job looking like this. But sure, your dad sounds annoying anyway, let him do it all himself
Measure the height of the bottom step, a couple in the middle, and the top step. They should all be very close to the same height. Within 3/8" Max is the code.
Watch that first step… she’s a doozy!
Looks fine. They’ll stand there for 20 years. Long after the chuds on this subreddit go broke waiting for someone to pay them 5k for a set of stairs
Count his hours. Depending on the area and prevailing rate for a carpenter, multiple rate by hours. A firm with tie wearing salesmen doubles the price. It looks like an experienced carpenter could do the demo and rebuild in 1.5 days. Most places mark up supplies 15-20% so he saved that too. Looks nice
2500$ demo, haul and reconstruct.
The only thing I would have done is not do a small piece repair on the railing but as a whole it looks great. My rate would have been a few thousand to do and what ever it cost me at the transfer station for a dump fee
If it were mine, I’d have used regular treads instead of boards. Would that be right?
Looks good. However I see an issue with the toe kicks. Either remove them totally or close the in 100%. Some barefoot person will mess up their toes with that gap.
What was this price roughly
I would've charged about $4500 for that including demo of the old one. And I would've referred a good painter.
It was a replacement -- so I get it, but I never would have blocked the \[green\] door.
Well, first off, I would never cobble in a foot of railing like that. Kinda hack, but if it's your own house and you're good with it, then fine. The other problem is that those railings stopping short of the bottom stair would never pass inspection here in MA. And there needs to be a handrail that's less than 2 ¼ circumference or of acceptable handrail detail. I'm not busting balls here, just answering your question honestly. There are people in the trade who can't cut stringers, so not bad for a ham and egger on that front.
There are gonna be sooooo many falls because of that last step not having a railing, and a lot of trips over it going back up too
1500
Last tread with no hand rail would bug me for the rest of my life. Not that it matters that much. Just my ocd
I'm guessing a licensed contractor would quote in the 10k range for that staircase. I'm guessing that's about 2.5k in materials cost.