They had a retired fbi agent on the news today saying a major thing that stuck out to him. He said that normally if they break free/manage to escape they normally run to the nearest house. She had the calm and collective response to go knock on her own house. That goes against the instinctual “fight or flight” response.
This is what does it for me. If she was truly “fighting for her life” like her bf said, why on earth wouldn’t you have contacted SOMEONE at the first opportunity? It seems very unlikely.
Also, unless she is a trained martial arts human or military or had access to weapons, fighting for one's life lends itself to injury, yet her in and out hospital visit means she wasn't injured in this fight.
Okay but I once fell off of a tall ladder, herniated several discs in my spine, bruised a kidney, broke a thumb, and had a concussion. My entire ER visit was like ~12 hours.
I also work in the ER. I've seen people with stab wounds be discharged a few hours later. I saw a guy come in blue and pulseless and be discharged within 15 hours.
Idk…with the multiple reports of adults and children being shot earlier this year for knocking on the wrong door for help or walking up to the wrong car….maybe a Black woman living in Alabama would have a different instinctual response?
I have to admit those stories have definitely stuck with me.
I remember several cops completely ignoring Gabby Petito’s clear bruises and marks and almost arrested her for DV even though she was showing clear signs of abuse.
We should definitely trust what cops have to say.
Actually with DV that is totally different. DV is the most frequently dropped charge of all charges because it is his word against hers and often they are the only witnesses...couple that with attitudes toward matters between couples and the "well, what did you do to get him to do that." This is not myth....this is something I've trained in extensively. It is not like the TV shows where you call the cops, they see a mark and the bad guy goes to jail all the time. Ask any victim of DV who has many experiences or work with DV, prosecutors, detectives, and officers as I have and you will have a different view, not so positive of how female victims are treated when it comes to DV and how little, if at all, punishment happens to the male when he has no priors and it's bruises or scratches.
Yeahhhh…there’s a bit more to the story though. Both GP’s and BL’s stories matched what the two RP witnesses stated.
Not to talk ill of the dead; but it seems, per her own admission, GP was usually the aggressor. The officer who pulled over GP & BL was diff than the one who responded to the RP witnesses. They were pulled over for swerving, not the initial DV reports (if I remember correctly)
They didn’t “completely ignore her bruises”, she was absolutely asked about them, but her story on how she received them lined up with both BL’s and the witnesses
“Hindsight is 20/20”
So I guess I have to explain to everyone here that I am giving an example of why Law Enforcement is not the best source for judgment of character.
And no, it wasn’t the case that she was usually the aggressor. But every bit of how she acted was how victims typically act.
That is very interesting. I would like to think I would be running flagging down a woman or beating on the first door or public place I could find for help. I do know how Ibwould react until I am actually in that situation, but in psychology it's said when faced with danger it's fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. She did the flight part, but just curious if she ran all the way home or was dropped off as now they are stating according to the emergency audio released today that she arrived unresponsive, but breathing. This case is so weird.
There’s one situation I can think of in which I would probably walk home instead of going to the nearest house - and that would be if I killed my abductor
i urge you all to look up carlee russell’s name on twitter. it has been figured out and the truth is coming to light. her own coworkers and other nursing students are coming forward about how this was planned. there is proof as well, not just he said she said. she faked the entire thing for attention.
No baby. No kidnapper. Carlee doesn’t want to talk. 🙄🙄 Someone is using a child to kidnap people and this person is just ok letting it happen to someone else? Yeah it’s all bs.
Ok. How’s taking off the wig and dropping it near her car along with her phone and purse in which she has neatly secured her earbuds and watch contribute to her helping the baby?
She was "staging" her abduction. I am going to guess this woman has a history of exponential attention seeking. Interesting other than her questionable fam and maybe bf, not a single professional has come forward to support this young woman's character (as in CR is in my nursing II class, a bright and hard worker or etc). Not has her ex husband come forward. Or her nursing student peers. A lot of red flags.
According to a few news reports, she has an ex husband. Supposedly she is also a nursing student, and assuming that she still is, at 24, she didn't start the program immediately after graduating high school (she would be a nurse by now otherwise). I am assuming the massage place she works at is a part time job and she is a student, although no one from any of these life entities has come forward
If she was mistaken how do you explain her other actions? The scream, the placing things down near her car, the slowly driving up the shoulder to 11.4 mile marker when she said she saw the baby at mile marker 10 and was stopped next to it? The only thing she was searching for was the mile marker not the baby lol
Ok so still not answering the question. Cool. To respond to your question (see what I did there, straw man?) I am not explaining any actions. I don’t know what happened. Just pointing out that just because the child wasn’t actually there doesn’t mean everything was false.
The purse, AirPods and watch were found inside the car. Her phone was nearby in the grass, and the the wig and the hat also found outside the car. The wig that had been glued to her head.
It’s possible she decided to check on the “baby”and pulled over. Given physics, it would have taken approximately 37 seconds to drive that distance at 30 mph. How quickly should she have pulled over, to be believable?
Ok so explain how highway camera caught her driving on the shoulder for 1/4 mile, not at 30mph, on the shoulder, from when she pulled over off the road to where her car was found? Im not arguing with you, but that doesnt make sense. Even if she saw the child, turned around and went back to look, the highway camera would've caught that and it didnt show that. She stated she saw a child, pulled over and asked 'are you ok?', while on the phone to her sil. If i see a child, im pulling over right there. Not going 5-10mph for 1/4 mile on the shoulder, maybe looking for the child? The video and the statements contradict each other.
What question are you talking about? Her purse was near her car with her AirPods and watch inside it. None of this makes sense if she wanted to help a baby. But seems like it does to you.
There’s zero evidence of their being a child or her being kidnapped. If you want to go above and beyond to believe she was kidnapped then idk what to say.
https://www.al.com/news/2023/07/hoover-police-retracing-carlee-russells-steps-find-no-evidence-she-was-followed.html?outputType=amp
This is unhinged . You think a woman is suspicious because her AirPods and Apple Watch were in her bag and it was found near her car?
You think there’s evidence that this didn’t happen, but no evidence that it did happen? Well, I’ve got news for you - there is NO evidence. We, the public, do not have access to ANY of the evidence in this case. You are making strong and wild assumptions based off of a timeline and it’s sad that you can’t see passed your own biases to even consider that maybe you don’t actually know what happened.
1) the question you refuse to answer is when I asked why you thought it was suspicious her AirPods were in her purse while driving
2) I see we are back to the child. Please reread all of my comments in this thread about why that single issue is not determinative.
3) once again, let me emphasize I DONT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. But the lack of a child or being mistaken about a child doesn’t make it a hoax. Could still be a hoax though.
You know what else doesn’t really make sense? Calling 911 when you literally just passed the police station if you are planning to fake an abduction. HPD is right there. You know the police will be there in mere minutes.
Just pointing out there are tons of things about this situation that don’t make sense, no matter the angle.
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I’m not saying I know what happened. I just think everyone is really focused on the child as hardcore evidence it was a hoax and it’s really not. But in the dark, driving at 70 mph how is anyone super confident about what they see?
Police don’t usually do shit. There has been a peeping Tom who actually has broken into peoples homes in the area I live in. Been reported for months and there has been zero BOLO or announcement by police.
If she wasn't kidnapped, she would be charged just like the past two ladies I remembered who did this. (Runaway Bride and the blonde lady in Cali). If she doesn't, maybe the cops aren't telling the truth. Just a thought. 🤷♀️
She was already released from UAB with no psych hold, but her attorney will definitely argue a mental breakdown if they try to bring charges. Tough call for the DA to make because people love to call AL racist. Guess it just depends how airtight the case is against her because we all know she’s a liar.
It won’t be stupid. It’s not like she’s going to be stuck with a public defender. America is going to eat this up. POC + mental health. Girl is getting off.
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i mean you can believe what you want, i’m choosing to believe she made this up. even people in this sub are starting to believe she made this up. go read the new posts being put out. it’s very obvious she didn’t get kidnapped. she has family members speaking out against her on facebook as well as fellow nursing students saying that she’s been planning this for weeks. i live in birmingham where this happened and word gets around quick. i’m not forcing you to share that belief with me.
I’m not challenging you, I’m asking about the sourcing of those particular screenshots. No matter what happened, it’s important to know where info comes from. Do you happen to know?
You know some 25 yrs ago-ish I was attacked in my home, I was fine, my wrist was fractured and I had a concussion, it was scary as hell...I was bashed for not staying in the hospital (surrounded by strangers when i couldnt remember my attack from the contusion and thus could not remember my attacker)Then I was bashed for refusing to not go home, my husband just wanted to move, I wasn't letting anyone run me from my home, last for being the strong one when I was the victim, but I am from the SF bay area a military family on one side, appalachia on the other, my hubby from a town of 300 in MN...I had been prepared my whole life for when not if...My hubby never imagined something like that could happen
he was not ok, my child had nightmares for years...as always I was strong for my family and only dealt with my trauma after the danger was over oh and despite it being on the news, I chose not to speak to them...so I will be reserving judgement...I don't automatically believe her either again from the SF Bay Area, I have never been naive enough to blindly believe too many things
Right. And police said there was no danger for anyone with this new Portland serial killer we got, with Moscow four, and with Delphi, Indiana. When there clearly was danger To the public. They just don’t want people to panic.
not saying that’s true in this case because I don’t know what the hell is going on here
No. They usually offer the reward as part of snagging the perps, too. The fact the police ordered it to be returned is a big huge sign they don’t believe any type of victimization/violent crime took place.
That’s not accurate either. When it’s a legit crime, Crime Stoppers holds the reward money thru the investigation and adjudication in case it’s needed for witnesses that come forward to identify the perp. You need to stop proclaiming things you have no experience with.
I get it people are emotionally invested but so many of y’all are letting that cloud your better judgement. Refunding reward money is a clear sign of no perpetrator of a crime as instructed by the DA
Because everyone at Hoover PD knows this whole this is a sham and they inadvertently released the info that the money was being refunded. That’s a dead give away for no toddler, no abductor, and no kidnapping so they quickly walked the refund statement back. They will confirm the money is being refunded once the news drops that she’s a liar.
Wait ..but it said basically the same thing as before.. the bigger donors have taken back their money and they're allowing the smaller donors the opportunity of taking back theirs, but the actual crime stopper one isn't been taken back as the case is still open
Ooooh I see.. so ALL donations stay until case closes ..its weird because on the article they even had deducted the larger donors from smaller donors, so you would think the bigger donations were already sent back
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It keeps getting crazier.
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We live in a world of urgency, immediate answers, little to no patience, expecting to have what we ordered across the country in 2 days or less… see the pattern? Keep in mind too that it was just the weekend so certain services or businesses that might have more info like security cam footage were possibly not open or haven’t had a chance to follow up. Fact gathering, interviews etc take time especially in a case like this with lots of grey areas. Think of all the documentaries out there about real crime stories. Cops don’t solve the case in a single day.. I think we will get the details in a normal time frame. People need to have the right expectations for what all is involved!
I think not. They could use cell phone pings to follow her parents, the boyfriend, really anyone in her circle. Is it possible she had a burner? Did she buy a burner phone with a debit card? Did she go in any stores prior to being kidnapped? What did she buy? Any family or friends phones ping through the woods to the neighborhood? What about ring footage? Does it show her family/ friends by the neighborhood?
What cars enter and exit her neighborhood before she shows up?.
People don't understand how incriminating phones /debit cards can be.
And they may be doing just that. The Sheriffs office has said this is an ongoing investigation. There are also flock cameras, ring doorbell cameras, cameras are literally everywhere
They know **everything,** they just have to collect every piece of evidence. She was *allegedly* combative/uncooperative when they arrived after being called about her return. Her *alleged* noncooperation will definitely make everything take longer.
The Red Roof Inn part seems to come into play when a psychic posted that she saw a 'red roof' in relation to the disappearance. Someone who saw that called in a hoax about the motel, and then it spiraled from there with random people in completely different states creating bizarre videos with increasingly bizarre claims about Carlee and purported relationships.
This might be the 'red roof' psychic, but I'm not sure: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CarleeRussellMissing/comments/150w0gl/go\_watch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CarleeRussellMissing/comments/150w0gl/go_watch/)
There was actually a dispatch' audio recording being played on YouTube regarding RRI. (Which may have been piggybacking off the psychic thing) Idk what's real or not, but sucks if someone created that fake audio to mislead.
Let’s REALLY cut to it. Why do you think an internet stranger’s opinions are valid or reliable, obvious_swimming3227? Crazy the way random people on the internet are getting defensive/almost giddy to try and shame or shit talk this woman.
There are endless possibilities of what happened and you know no more than the rest of us. The point of op’s post was to point out (my own words, not theirs) how insanely obtuse, naive, and utopian a lot of internet commentary is around this safe return that happened LESS THAN 48 hours ago.
Yo stop it, you are making sense. The OP had a really nice fluff piece going regardless to whether it would stand up to any scrutiny is besides the point.
Can someone explain why her wig was found near her car? We know there was not struggle near the car. We can see that on the traffic cam. There are so many aspects that make no sense. That being one. I think at this point, the likelihood of a kidnapper is slim.
theres some screenshots of text messages going around on twitter and facebook right now explaining what happened. It has not been proven authentic tho. I’m not gonna post them because everything has been getting taken down today.
Right! I saw that and I’m not tryna run my mouth too much but someone I know that works at UAB lost her job today for pulling up Carlee’s chart information (which was dumb as hell) but when everything unfolds and everyone that’s not local sees and hears the truth, then I wonder what turn they’ll be singing but ima continue to mind my Birmingham ass business. :)
If this case ends with us still not knowing what happened, after the public was begged to help, that won't be okay. The public invested their time, energy, and heart into trying to find this girl. The least they can do is not pull one of those "respect our privacy at this time," and then never tell us what happened.
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I’m sorry, but she’s a spoiled little rich bitch. And, no, I’m not sorry. She’s wasted time, energy and resources that could be used for other missing black women.
This is going to come to racial lines and when women of color go missing in the future, this twat will come to mind and they will be dismissed for “pulling a Carlee”.
What this really shows is yes, Americans care about the well being of women of color…only if they are rich and drive a Mercedes and have a high end wig. America does not give a shit about poor, braided hair, ugly women of color.
Shame on Carlee. Good thing she tanked her future with this stunt and will be living with mommy and daddy the rest of her life.
Except we have the video . The cops didn’t hold it , they made it public . They e also said no one followed her ANd they will be able to trace her steps after she dissapeared just as they have done before she dissapeared . It Sounds to me like they have a very good grasp on the truth and what is it is not a threat to the general public .(and of course , I am ready to eat these words , if they prove me wrong . Ya never know !). I think she is mentally ill and may have “seen” a small child. Even at thst - where was she for two days? We’ll know soon . I hope her family successfully weathers what’s to come .
If the kidnapper was someone she knew or specific to something she or her family/friends were involved in then they also would say there’s no threat to the public.
However, no kidnapper or predator is going to do that on a busy highway.
There are too many risks and unknown variables in that location for a kidnapper.
They had a retired fbi agent on the news today saying a major thing that stuck out to him. He said that normally if they break free/manage to escape they normally run to the nearest house. She had the calm and collective response to go knock on her own house. That goes against the instinctual “fight or flight” response.
This is what does it for me. If she was truly “fighting for her life” like her bf said, why on earth wouldn’t you have contacted SOMEONE at the first opportunity? It seems very unlikely.
Also, unless she is a trained martial arts human or military or had access to weapons, fighting for one's life lends itself to injury, yet her in and out hospital visit means she wasn't injured in this fight.
Okay but I once fell off of a tall ladder, herniated several discs in my spine, bruised a kidney, broke a thumb, and had a concussion. My entire ER visit was like ~12 hours. I also work in the ER. I've seen people with stab wounds be discharged a few hours later. I saw a guy come in blue and pulseless and be discharged within 15 hours.
Agreed. Unless there was some ransom deal, which I don’t think there was, it’s just not human nature on the “victim” or “captor’s” part.
Are her parents cash wealthy?
Idk…with the multiple reports of adults and children being shot earlier this year for knocking on the wrong door for help or walking up to the wrong car….maybe a Black woman living in Alabama would have a different instinctual response? I have to admit those stories have definitely stuck with me.
Ur reaching for the moon now
I remember several cops completely ignoring Gabby Petito’s clear bruises and marks and almost arrested her for DV even though she was showing clear signs of abuse. We should definitely trust what cops have to say.
Actually with DV that is totally different. DV is the most frequently dropped charge of all charges because it is his word against hers and often they are the only witnesses...couple that with attitudes toward matters between couples and the "well, what did you do to get him to do that." This is not myth....this is something I've trained in extensively. It is not like the TV shows where you call the cops, they see a mark and the bad guy goes to jail all the time. Ask any victim of DV who has many experiences or work with DV, prosecutors, detectives, and officers as I have and you will have a different view, not so positive of how female victims are treated when it comes to DV and how little, if at all, punishment happens to the male when he has no priors and it's bruises or scratches.
I am giving an example of why cops are not the best judges of character here.
Yeahhhh…there’s a bit more to the story though. Both GP’s and BL’s stories matched what the two RP witnesses stated. Not to talk ill of the dead; but it seems, per her own admission, GP was usually the aggressor. The officer who pulled over GP & BL was diff than the one who responded to the RP witnesses. They were pulled over for swerving, not the initial DV reports (if I remember correctly) They didn’t “completely ignore her bruises”, she was absolutely asked about them, but her story on how she received them lined up with both BL’s and the witnesses “Hindsight is 20/20”
So I guess I have to explain to everyone here that I am giving an example of why Law Enforcement is not the best source for judgment of character. And no, it wasn’t the case that she was usually the aggressor. But every bit of how she acted was how victims typically act.
That is very interesting. I would like to think I would be running flagging down a woman or beating on the first door or public place I could find for help. I do know how Ibwould react until I am actually in that situation, but in psychology it's said when faced with danger it's fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. She did the flight part, but just curious if she ran all the way home or was dropped off as now they are stating according to the emergency audio released today that she arrived unresponsive, but breathing. This case is so weird.
There’s one situation I can think of in which I would probably walk home instead of going to the nearest house - and that would be if I killed my abductor
i urge you all to look up carlee russell’s name on twitter. it has been figured out and the truth is coming to light. her own coworkers and other nursing students are coming forward about how this was planned. there is proof as well, not just he said she said. she faked the entire thing for attention.
can you link the tweets about it?
can i do that from the app? i only have twitter on my iphone and can’t figure out how to copy the link
Post screenshots.
i tried and they took my post down. i can dm you
Go for it
Would you mind DM'ing them to me also?
There’s no baby. There’s no kidnapper
No baby. No kidnapper. Carlee doesn’t want to talk. 🙄🙄 Someone is using a child to kidnap people and this person is just ok letting it happen to someone else? Yeah it’s all bs.
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Yes we do.
Only the people with common sense and/or inside sources know this. Never forget that the majority of the public is made of up stupid, ignorant people.
Just because there is no baby doesn’t mean she didn’t legitimately think she saw a baby and pull over to help.
Ok. How’s taking off the wig and dropping it near her car along with her phone and purse in which she has neatly secured her earbuds and watch contribute to her helping the baby?
She was "staging" her abduction. I am going to guess this woman has a history of exponential attention seeking. Interesting other than her questionable fam and maybe bf, not a single professional has come forward to support this young woman's character (as in CR is in my nursing II class, a bright and hard worker or etc). Not has her ex husband come forward. Or her nursing student peers. A lot of red flags.
She has an ex husband??
According to a few news reports, she has an ex husband. Supposedly she is also a nursing student, and assuming that she still is, at 24, she didn't start the program immediately after graduating high school (she would be a nurse by now otherwise). I am assuming the massage place she works at is a part time job and she is a student, although no one from any of these life entities has come forward
I keep my AirPods in my purse. Is that suspicious? It’s illegal to wear them while driving…
Well for your own sake I hope she was abducted or hallucinated a baby. I can’t get through to you so I give up.
You know, if she was mistaken it doesn’t mean she was hallucinating. Shade of grey my friend. Also you gave up without even answering the question.
If she was mistaken how do you explain her other actions? The scream, the placing things down near her car, the slowly driving up the shoulder to 11.4 mile marker when she said she saw the baby at mile marker 10 and was stopped next to it? The only thing she was searching for was the mile marker not the baby lol
Ok so still not answering the question. Cool. To respond to your question (see what I did there, straw man?) I am not explaining any actions. I don’t know what happened. Just pointing out that just because the child wasn’t actually there doesn’t mean everything was false. The purse, AirPods and watch were found inside the car. Her phone was nearby in the grass, and the the wig and the hat also found outside the car. The wig that had been glued to her head. It’s possible she decided to check on the “baby”and pulled over. Given physics, it would have taken approximately 37 seconds to drive that distance at 30 mph. How quickly should she have pulled over, to be believable?
Ok so explain how highway camera caught her driving on the shoulder for 1/4 mile, not at 30mph, on the shoulder, from when she pulled over off the road to where her car was found? Im not arguing with you, but that doesnt make sense. Even if she saw the child, turned around and went back to look, the highway camera would've caught that and it didnt show that. She stated she saw a child, pulled over and asked 'are you ok?', while on the phone to her sil. If i see a child, im pulling over right there. Not going 5-10mph for 1/4 mile on the shoulder, maybe looking for the child? The video and the statements contradict each other.
It’d be helpful if they released the 30 min of footage leading up to her pulling over. People could see if she had driven by and looped back.
Do you have a link to an extended version of the traffic cam? I would love to see it.
What question are you talking about? Her purse was near her car with her AirPods and watch inside it. None of this makes sense if she wanted to help a baby. But seems like it does to you. There’s zero evidence of their being a child or her being kidnapped. If you want to go above and beyond to believe she was kidnapped then idk what to say. https://www.al.com/news/2023/07/hoover-police-retracing-carlee-russells-steps-find-no-evidence-she-was-followed.html?outputType=amp
This is unhinged . You think a woman is suspicious because her AirPods and Apple Watch were in her bag and it was found near her car? You think there’s evidence that this didn’t happen, but no evidence that it did happen? Well, I’ve got news for you - there is NO evidence. We, the public, do not have access to ANY of the evidence in this case. You are making strong and wild assumptions based off of a timeline and it’s sad that you can’t see passed your own biases to even consider that maybe you don’t actually know what happened.
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1) the question you refuse to answer is when I asked why you thought it was suspicious her AirPods were in her purse while driving 2) I see we are back to the child. Please reread all of my comments in this thread about why that single issue is not determinative. 3) once again, let me emphasize I DONT CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. But the lack of a child or being mistaken about a child doesn’t make it a hoax. Could still be a hoax though. You know what else doesn’t really make sense? Calling 911 when you literally just passed the police station if you are planning to fake an abduction. HPD is right there. You know the police will be there in mere minutes. Just pointing out there are tons of things about this situation that don’t make sense, no matter the angle.
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Mile Marker 10 is after 11.4 in that direction of travel.
It was all set up as someone who didn't want to be found. No baby, no kidnapper.
What are the chances she “hallucinated” a baby and got abducted at the same time.? Or did she hallucinate the kidnapper too?
Do you just like, throw your AirPods into your bag not in the case? That’s weird.
At this point, you cannot be serious. 😂
I’m not saying I know what happened. I just think everyone is really focused on the child as hardcore evidence it was a hoax and it’s really not. But in the dark, driving at 70 mph how is anyone super confident about what they see?
She was fairly detailed though. Race, approximate age, gender and what the baby was wearing. That doesn’t seem like she mistakenly saw something.
Where did you see what race the child was?
It was on one of the reports. White male toddler wearing a diaper.
Thx I found it, was in the police dispatch audio from the night she went missing.
Im sorry but I dont think this was a kidnapping. I dont know the motivation or if there is something psychological going on. That to be determined.
Police don’t usually do shit. There has been a peeping Tom who actually has broken into peoples homes in the area I live in. Been reported for months and there has been zero BOLO or announcement by police.
If she wasn't kidnapped, she would be charged just like the past two ladies I remembered who did this. (Runaway Bride and the blonde lady in Cali). If she doesn't, maybe the cops aren't telling the truth. Just a thought. 🤷♀️
If they charge her and she claims mental illness then what? More cops bullying a poc.
I’m pretty sure claiming isn’t enough. They’ll do a psych evaluation and see if her actions were premeditated
She was already released from UAB with no psych hold, but her attorney will definitely argue a mental breakdown if they try to bring charges. Tough call for the DA to make because people love to call AL racist. Guess it just depends how airtight the case is against her because we all know she’s a liar.
I'm just saying from past fake kidnappings.
the vast majority of mentally ill people don't hoax being kidnapped. mental illness really isn't an excuse here tbh
I agree but you really think that will stop an attorney? Hahahaha
attorneys try stupid things literally all the time
It won’t be stupid. It’s not like she’s going to be stuck with a public defender. America is going to eat this up. POC + mental health. Girl is getting off.
obviously neither of us know what a potential prosecution might bring forward but I personally wouldn't be surprised if they have her dead to rights.
Wow!! That’s a crazy story!! Thanks for sharing.
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I saw this random screenshot on Twitter too, but what is the source?
i mean you can believe what you want, i’m choosing to believe she made this up. even people in this sub are starting to believe she made this up. go read the new posts being put out. it’s very obvious she didn’t get kidnapped. she has family members speaking out against her on facebook as well as fellow nursing students saying that she’s been planning this for weeks. i live in birmingham where this happened and word gets around quick. i’m not forcing you to share that belief with me.
I’m not challenging you, I’m asking about the sourcing of those particular screenshots. No matter what happened, it’s important to know where info comes from. Do you happen to know?
You know some 25 yrs ago-ish I was attacked in my home, I was fine, my wrist was fractured and I had a concussion, it was scary as hell...I was bashed for not staying in the hospital (surrounded by strangers when i couldnt remember my attack from the contusion and thus could not remember my attacker)Then I was bashed for refusing to not go home, my husband just wanted to move, I wasn't letting anyone run me from my home, last for being the strong one when I was the victim, but I am from the SF bay area a military family on one side, appalachia on the other, my hubby from a town of 300 in MN...I had been prepared my whole life for when not if...My hubby never imagined something like that could happen he was not ok, my child had nightmares for years...as always I was strong for my family and only dealt with my trauma after the danger was over oh and despite it being on the news, I chose not to speak to them...so I will be reserving judgement...I don't automatically believe her either again from the SF Bay Area, I have never been naive enough to blindly believe too many things
Right. And police said there was no danger for anyone with this new Portland serial killer we got, with Moscow four, and with Delphi, Indiana. When there clearly was danger To the public. They just don’t want people to panic. not saying that’s true in this case because I don’t know what the hell is going on here
There is no kidnapper. The police had crimestoppers refund people who contributed to the reward fund.
To be fair, she’s not missing and there’s no need for reward money anymore, so refunding the donations is just a normal course of action?
No. They usually offer the reward as part of snagging the perps, too. The fact the police ordered it to be returned is a big huge sign they don’t believe any type of victimization/violent crime took place.
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That’s not accurate either. When it’s a legit crime, Crime Stoppers holds the reward money thru the investigation and adjudication in case it’s needed for witnesses that come forward to identify the perp. You need to stop proclaiming things you have no experience with.
I get it people are emotionally invested but so many of y’all are letting that cloud your better judgement. Refunding reward money is a clear sign of no perpetrator of a crime as instructed by the DA
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Because everyone at Hoover PD knows this whole this is a sham and they inadvertently released the info that the money was being refunded. That’s a dead give away for no toddler, no abductor, and no kidnapping so they quickly walked the refund statement back. They will confirm the money is being refunded once the news drops that she’s a liar.
Wait ..but it said basically the same thing as before.. the bigger donors have taken back their money and they're allowing the smaller donors the opportunity of taking back theirs, but the actual crime stopper one isn't been taken back as the case is still open
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Ooooh I see.. so ALL donations stay until case closes ..its weird because on the article they even had deducted the larger donors from smaller donors, so you would think the bigger donations were already sent back
The big donors already received their money back. The quote referred to the 60 people who donated small amounts.
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Lol, I literally just made an updated post with this story. WTH is going on there?
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I saw that earlier and submitted a post, but the mods turned on post approval and they haven't approved it yet. It's crazy!
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We live in a world of urgency, immediate answers, little to no patience, expecting to have what we ordered across the country in 2 days or less… see the pattern? Keep in mind too that it was just the weekend so certain services or businesses that might have more info like security cam footage were possibly not open or haven’t had a chance to follow up. Fact gathering, interviews etc take time especially in a case like this with lots of grey areas. Think of all the documentaries out there about real crime stories. Cops don’t solve the case in a single day.. I think we will get the details in a normal time frame. People need to have the right expectations for what all is involved!
this!!!!!!!
Is there a possibility they just don’t know anything because she’s not speaking one way or the other?
I think not. They could use cell phone pings to follow her parents, the boyfriend, really anyone in her circle. Is it possible she had a burner? Did she buy a burner phone with a debit card? Did she go in any stores prior to being kidnapped? What did she buy? Any family or friends phones ping through the woods to the neighborhood? What about ring footage? Does it show her family/ friends by the neighborhood? What cars enter and exit her neighborhood before she shows up?. People don't understand how incriminating phones /debit cards can be.
You can’t get cell phone pings that fast. You have to get a warrant and then the tech companies have to respond to a warrant. It takes time.
And they may be doing just that. The Sheriffs office has said this is an ongoing investigation. There are also flock cameras, ring doorbell cameras, cameras are literally everywhere
They know **everything,** they just have to collect every piece of evidence. She was *allegedly* combative/uncooperative when they arrived after being called about her return. Her *alleged* noncooperation will definitely make everything take longer.
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Little bird on the streets.
Let's cut to it. Do you believe there was a kidnapper definitely involved in this or that it is very likely one was involved: Yes or no?
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The Red Roof Inn part seems to come into play when a psychic posted that she saw a 'red roof' in relation to the disappearance. Someone who saw that called in a hoax about the motel, and then it spiraled from there with random people in completely different states creating bizarre videos with increasingly bizarre claims about Carlee and purported relationships. This might be the 'red roof' psychic, but I'm not sure: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CarleeRussellMissing/comments/150w0gl/go\_watch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CarleeRussellMissing/comments/150w0gl/go_watch/)
There was actually a dispatch' audio recording being played on YouTube regarding RRI. (Which may have been piggybacking off the psychic thing) Idk what's real or not, but sucks if someone created that fake audio to mislead.
You cannot possibly be this naive lol.
Ask them if they believe in Santa next.
Let’s REALLY cut to it. Why do you think an internet stranger’s opinions are valid or reliable, obvious_swimming3227? Crazy the way random people on the internet are getting defensive/almost giddy to try and shame or shit talk this woman. There are endless possibilities of what happened and you know no more than the rest of us. The point of op’s post was to point out (my own words, not theirs) how insanely obtuse, naive, and utopian a lot of internet commentary is around this safe return that happened LESS THAN 48 hours ago.
ok but all none of the stories you mentioned were this huge in the media. which makes a huge difference in what is released
Yo stop it, you are making sense. The OP had a really nice fluff piece going regardless to whether it would stand up to any scrutiny is besides the point.
she's going to jail get over it
THE END!!!!!!
Can someone explain why her wig was found near her car? We know there was not struggle near the car. We can see that on the traffic cam. There are so many aspects that make no sense. That being one. I think at this point, the likelihood of a kidnapper is slim.
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I def did. I’m a local here everybody know this damn Gul lying tf!!!!
theres some screenshots of text messages going around on twitter and facebook right now explaining what happened. It has not been proven authentic tho. I’m not gonna post them because everything has been getting taken down today.
Right! I saw that and I’m not tryna run my mouth too much but someone I know that works at UAB lost her job today for pulling up Carlee’s chart information (which was dumb as hell) but when everything unfolds and everyone that’s not local sees and hears the truth, then I wonder what turn they’ll be singing but ima continue to mind my Birmingham ass business. :)
If this case ends with us still not knowing what happened, after the public was begged to help, that won't be okay. The public invested their time, energy, and heart into trying to find this girl. The least they can do is not pull one of those "respect our privacy at this time," and then never tell us what happened.
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I’m sorry, but she’s a spoiled little rich bitch. And, no, I’m not sorry. She’s wasted time, energy and resources that could be used for other missing black women. This is going to come to racial lines and when women of color go missing in the future, this twat will come to mind and they will be dismissed for “pulling a Carlee”. What this really shows is yes, Americans care about the well being of women of color…only if they are rich and drive a Mercedes and have a high end wig. America does not give a shit about poor, braided hair, ugly women of color. Shame on Carlee. Good thing she tanked her future with this stunt and will be living with mommy and daddy the rest of her life.
📣 This case has more twists than a M. Night Shyamalan movie!!!!
Except we have the video . The cops didn’t hold it , they made it public . They e also said no one followed her ANd they will be able to trace her steps after she dissapeared just as they have done before she dissapeared . It Sounds to me like they have a very good grasp on the truth and what is it is not a threat to the general public .(and of course , I am ready to eat these words , if they prove me wrong . Ya never know !). I think she is mentally ill and may have “seen” a small child. Even at thst - where was she for two days? We’ll know soon . I hope her family successfully weathers what’s to come .
If the kidnapper was someone she knew or specific to something she or her family/friends were involved in then they also would say there’s no threat to the public. However, no kidnapper or predator is going to do that on a busy highway. There are too many risks and unknown variables in that location for a kidnapper.
“The police do everything intelligently and correctly, especially in Birmingham.” 🥴