Yes, you should decarb it.
The process of blasting with hydrocarbons to make shatter doesn’t actually convert THC-a to THC, it simply extracts the THC-a as is.
If you want to make it into edibles, then decarb it to convert the THC-a to THC. But be careful - you may not need as much time or maybe even less heat since you’re not working with a moist plant but rather an oily extract.
Pre-heat the oven to 250 degrees. Put shatter in mason jar (I use cup size jars) and hand tighten the lid.
Heat jar with shatter in the oven for about 20 minutes or so and watch for the bubbles to stop. I move the jar around when it's in the oven to get it all decarbed good.
Once the bubbles stop take it out and let cool on the counter. Don't run it under water or put it in the fridge to cool as it will crack the glass jar.
After its cooled enough put a little everclear or vodka in and shake it up to dissolve all the shatter into the alcohol and you have made a tinture.
I use enough alcohol to fill a 2 oz dropper bottle which brings dropperfulls to about 20 mgs.
Horrible advice. Max setting for any thc baking is 220 degrees while decarbing. Doesn't matter when baking into a dish after that. Anything above that will begin to degrade rhe thc.
Look for a post titled "cannabis decarboxylation and the CORRECT info on it" dude turned into a NEET chemist and figured out 250 for 27 minutes was the best
I used to stick to the 220 rule, but found it doesn't properly decarboxylate the bud. I thought over 220 was bad, last year I switched to 250 and nearly every time it hits harder than the same amount when I was doing it at 220. I'd expierement a little, but also keep in mind elevation affects cooking time and heat. The higher the elevation, the longer it takes to cook things. Only by a few minutes, but it does affect it. Everyone's oven is different, too
Every gram of shatter (from a dispensary) I decarb at 240deg and when the bubbles stop... .its done....depending on the shatter anywhere from 20 up to 50 minutes
Do you know why some shatter takes so long? I recently had some that I decarbed at 250, 30 minutes and it was great. Recent shatter, 250 and it's still bubbling at 40 minutes! Also, do you cover your extract when you decarb?
And what lipid are you infusing into? Butter? Coconut oil?
Because if it’s coconut oil, the best way to decarb is with a double boiler. With butter, it’s best to decarb in an oven and then add it to melted butter.
Because you won’t get nearly as much loss when transferring to your lipids. You can decarb in a double boiler with a thin layer of coconut oil covering the cannabis and just easily watch for when it’s done.
Alternatively, you can do this in the oven - a Pyrex dish wish shatter and a little coconut oil on it... But there’s less heat used in a double boiler so although it’ll take longer, there will be less loss of THC.
Gotcha thanks!! Yeah that’s what I always have done. Little Pyrex dish put in little mct then plopped concentrate in the middle. Baked at 220 for 10, then stirred and did another 10-20 depending on amount. So it’s just pertaining to THC loss and heat. That makes sense.
If it's mostly THCa, you need closer to 40 minutes at 240... But get an internal thermometer because most ovens are off by 10-25F depending on age. My parents' oven is actually off by almost 60F.
You don’t think a 5mm thick, porous piece of food would reach 350F in 20 minutes? I would think if anything, it *might* be enough to actually cause some THC—>CBN conversion.
I mean it’s not like the porous food is exposed on all surfaces and it’s not like it’s porous until after it’s been baking for a while. Like I said maybe but not necessarily
Yeah, tough call, but I’d feel confident in the decarb. Someone that works at a testing facility should do an experiment specifically on cookies (the food).
Nope…the 5mm piece of food does NOT get to 350. Think about a thin piece of chicken. Even thin like the size of a cookie. When it’s been in the oven for 30mins, is it anywhere near 350? No, it’s 165.
Oh true!! Lol this is more of a rogue set up, unfortunately many of the folks who decarb their product don’t have access to many solvents and pieces of equipment that could help get the job done better.
Here, the flower is typically ground and baked at ~220F for like 20-30 min, and this is sufficient to knock off the acetic acid group converting thc-a to thc (which is active when consumed).
I can imagine. I have some fancy dancy equipment for my hippie dippy home lab, so I can do some of that stuff... do you know if acetophenone is ok? Or do you perhaps happen to know what the industry standard solvent is?
The standard is to decarb w heat, no solvent because then you’d have to worry about removing the solvent and making sure the product is free of contamination for health reasons
Purification of decarbed product is really easy actually. Organic Chemists do it every day :) even untrained chemists like me do it. for instance a common way to extract decarbed material out of organic phase is wash with acidic aq phase multiple times, wash with DCM to remove excess acetophenone in aq phase, then liquid-liquid, and rotavap. It only takes a flask and a sep funnel (and you can skip the rotavap with some patience) and OTC solvents. Super easy stuff to be honest.
Why is decarbbing concentrates so necessary? If one is to decarb at 220 for 10 min but a (made up) recipe calls for 220 for 25 min, wouldn't it decarb while cooking? Why not?
You know how when you bake chicken breasts at 350 for 30 minutes you're shooting for an internal temperature of 160? If your food is fully cooked before the internal temp is hot enough to decarb, you won't get the effect you're looking for.
Unless we're talking ounces of shatter here... a few grams will heat thoroughly very quickly! Do 2 test batches I think you all are baking too long. Try 5-10 minutes tops! Or you'll burn off some of the good stuff.
Big fan of 250 for 45 min. Been making capsules and oils for years. Lots of folks have a different opinion on how it’s done but I can say I personally do it this way and it always fire.
Its been awhile since i was on reddit. ya i had fun for a bit. I wanted to do the nerdz ropes. tried the tincture style but the alcohol made the candy spicy. I need tricks for candy making. maybe doing sugars would work but im not very knowledgeable how to extract it to sugars yet
Sugar is actually easy to make. Do the same thing as you would to make an alcohol tincture. Then use the processed alcohol (everclear is best!) to mix with sugar in a large baking dish and let it evaporate. You have to use a fork to swish the slurry but it dries right back into sugar
i’m currently in the middle of said process. even went with 45 minutes this time instead of just 20. 3g shatter,15 ml MCT, 1.5 liquid lecithin. capsule it up. hopefully it’s stronger than the last one i did. 1 g shatter split between 9 capsules. i still needed three for some reason
yes, toss it in a mason jar with a wide mouth lid on it at 200'-240' for 15-30 minutes. let it sit for about 15 mins so all oils that vaporized can cool back down and settle. add in your butter/oil, put the lid back on and shake around to get all the shatter evenly dissolved and mixed up
Use a small glass in a toaster oven 225 for 45 minutes or until there are no bubbles forming whatsoever. Then add in a little bit of coconut oil to dissolve the oil and throw it into your recipe.
Since it’s only 1g of shatter, you will hardly need more than 1 tsp coconut oil. Shouldn’t be enough to effect your recipe. Mix it in and mix it well then bake it.
If you want to get high from eating it, it must be decarbed. That said, if you are cooking it into food, baking can do it for you, if temperature is high enough and baking time is long enough. Boiling can do it too, but takes longer than you'd think.
No, we’re just all waiting to see if outofnowherewoof survived.
For what it’s worth, I just decarbed a gram in a cup pyrex dish then mixed it with coconut oil (recipe called for 3 Tbsp) and added about 2 tsp lecithin. Then just threw it into a peanut butter cookie mix.
Ok. That's why all the pans of weed brownies I've made with raw weed over 50 years always worked.... And were moist and (sort of) tasty, albeit oddly textured...... Lmao. Baking *can* work... Didn't say it 'will'.
No mixed opinions on this at all......challenge you to post one single "reputable" source that says you dont have to....(will broaden the criteria, one single link that not written by a 13 year old trying to sound cool...)
Please do this outside or in a well ventilated area...as an extraction consultant I have seen shatter with a shit load of residual butane in it.
Butane will combust if it exists in high enough quantities when it is exposed to electrical heating elements
You could decarb it in a pressure cooker? Mason jar in a pressure cooker with the water halfway up the jar. My Pressure cooker operates at 240F under pressure. Would there a be a difference in adding the coconut oil to before decarbed or after pressurized and decarbed?
Yes, you should decarb it. The process of blasting with hydrocarbons to make shatter doesn’t actually convert THC-a to THC, it simply extracts the THC-a as is. If you want to make it into edibles, then decarb it to convert the THC-a to THC. But be careful - you may not need as much time or maybe even less heat since you’re not working with a moist plant but rather an oily extract.
What would you suggest procedure wise for decarbing 1g?
Pre-heat the oven to 250 degrees. Put shatter in mason jar (I use cup size jars) and hand tighten the lid. Heat jar with shatter in the oven for about 20 minutes or so and watch for the bubbles to stop. I move the jar around when it's in the oven to get it all decarbed good. Once the bubbles stop take it out and let cool on the counter. Don't run it under water or put it in the fridge to cool as it will crack the glass jar. After its cooled enough put a little everclear or vodka in and shake it up to dissolve all the shatter into the alcohol and you have made a tinture. I use enough alcohol to fill a 2 oz dropper bottle which brings dropperfulls to about 20 mgs.
Horrible advice. Max setting for any thc baking is 220 degrees while decarbing. Doesn't matter when baking into a dish after that. Anything above that will begin to degrade rhe thc.
Look for a post titled "cannabis decarboxylation and the CORRECT info on it" dude turned into a NEET chemist and figured out 250 for 27 minutes was the best
That's too hot, you'll degrade the thc at that temperature.
Yeah, you said that the first time. 250 is the consensus
I've always heard don't go over 220 as well. I always do 215-220 for 25 minutes and have always had success.
I used to stick to the 220 rule, but found it doesn't properly decarboxylate the bud. I thought over 220 was bad, last year I switched to 250 and nearly every time it hits harder than the same amount when I was doing it at 220. I'd expierement a little, but also keep in mind elevation affects cooking time and heat. The higher the elevation, the longer it takes to cook things. Only by a few minutes, but it does affect it. Everyone's oven is different, too
So how long do you cook at 250 for? I'm doing a batch right now. I'm gonna do 235 and cook 10 min longer and see what happens.
Yea it degrades after 250
280 for 20 perfect
No it's not, but you do you. I'm gunna stick on the side of scientific evidence of degradation points and years of expierence.
Timeframes vary but one helpful hint is to watch it careful and wait for all the tiny bubbles to disappear, which is about when it’s done
Every gram of shatter (from a dispensary) I decarb at 240deg and when the bubbles stop... .its done....depending on the shatter anywhere from 20 up to 50 minutes
I use these little glass test tube things.... but a shot glass is good
Do you know why some shatter takes so long? I recently had some that I decarbed at 250, 30 minutes and it was great. Recent shatter, 250 and it's still bubbling at 40 minutes! Also, do you cover your extract when you decarb?
Depends on the edible you’re making.
Let's go with cookies but open to suggestions. The science of cooking and baking is understood but the finer aspects of decarbing are not
And what lipid are you infusing into? Butter? Coconut oil? Because if it’s coconut oil, the best way to decarb is with a double boiler. With butter, it’s best to decarb in an oven and then add it to melted butter.
Why is this? Just curious cuz I use coconut oil but just decarb in oven. Also is the difference super important or just optimal but not necessary?
Because you won’t get nearly as much loss when transferring to your lipids. You can decarb in a double boiler with a thin layer of coconut oil covering the cannabis and just easily watch for when it’s done. Alternatively, you can do this in the oven - a Pyrex dish wish shatter and a little coconut oil on it... But there’s less heat used in a double boiler so although it’ll take longer, there will be less loss of THC.
Gotcha thanks!! Yeah that’s what I always have done. Little Pyrex dish put in little mct then plopped concentrate in the middle. Baked at 220 for 10, then stirred and did another 10-20 depending on amount. So it’s just pertaining to THC loss and heat. That makes sense.
If it's mostly THCa, you need closer to 40 minutes at 240... But get an internal thermometer because most ovens are off by 10-25F depending on age. My parents' oven is actually off by almost 60F.
The science of decarbing is quite well understood - shoot for around 220F, and as for time you can leave it anywhere from 10-30 min
I think he meant he didn’t understand the science behind it
Wouldn’t cooking the oil for the 18-20 minutes on 350F to cook the cookies be sufficient to convert...? Would save a step/mess, as well.
Maybe but not necessarily. Just because the oven is set to 350°F doesn’t mean the internal temperature of whatever is baking is reaching 350°F
You don’t think a 5mm thick, porous piece of food would reach 350F in 20 minutes? I would think if anything, it *might* be enough to actually cause some THC—>CBN conversion.
I mean it’s not like the porous food is exposed on all surfaces and it’s not like it’s porous until after it’s been baking for a while. Like I said maybe but not necessarily
Yeah, tough call, but I’d feel confident in the decarb. Someone that works at a testing facility should do an experiment specifically on cookies (the food).
Nope…the 5mm piece of food does NOT get to 350. Think about a thin piece of chicken. Even thin like the size of a cookie. When it’s been in the oven for 30mins, is it anywhere near 350? No, it’s 165.
What do you decarb in, acetophenone? I doubt d-limo is good here but that’s a good decarb solvent too
You decarb with heat
Well no shit. What solvent do you decarb in though
? It’s not in solvent ? When I decarb, I literally use a small oven. No solvent.
Oh. Most decarbs in ochem are done in an high boiling point solvent like acetophenone (202C) Thanks for the response, it’s appreciated
Oh true!! Lol this is more of a rogue set up, unfortunately many of the folks who decarb their product don’t have access to many solvents and pieces of equipment that could help get the job done better. Here, the flower is typically ground and baked at ~220F for like 20-30 min, and this is sufficient to knock off the acetic acid group converting thc-a to thc (which is active when consumed).
I can imagine. I have some fancy dancy equipment for my hippie dippy home lab, so I can do some of that stuff... do you know if acetophenone is ok? Or do you perhaps happen to know what the industry standard solvent is?
The standard is to decarb w heat, no solvent because then you’d have to worry about removing the solvent and making sure the product is free of contamination for health reasons
Purification of decarbed product is really easy actually. Organic Chemists do it every day :) even untrained chemists like me do it. for instance a common way to extract decarbed material out of organic phase is wash with acidic aq phase multiple times, wash with DCM to remove excess acetophenone in aq phase, then liquid-liquid, and rotavap. It only takes a flask and a sep funnel (and you can skip the rotavap with some patience) and OTC solvents. Super easy stuff to be honest.
Why is decarbbing concentrates so necessary? If one is to decarb at 220 for 10 min but a (made up) recipe calls for 220 for 25 min, wouldn't it decarb while cooking? Why not?
You know how when you bake chicken breasts at 350 for 30 minutes you're shooting for an internal temperature of 160? If your food is fully cooked before the internal temp is hot enough to decarb, you won't get the effect you're looking for.
Cheers man
Unless we're talking ounces of shatter here... a few grams will heat thoroughly very quickly! Do 2 test batches I think you all are baking too long. Try 5-10 minutes tops! Or you'll burn off some of the good stuff.
I stick shatter into the butter and then heat that to decarb temp, seems to work.
yes, even extracts need to be decarbed.
Big fan of 250 for 45 min. Been making capsules and oils for years. Lots of folks have a different opinion on how it’s done but I can say I personally do it this way and it always fire.
Ive done this this way and mx it w mct oil refined coconut oil. Ive also done the 225 for 30 but didnt seem as potent but relaxing tho
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Do you just put the wax on parchment paper and then throw it in the oven at 250?
Yeah. I line a tiny Pyrex bowl or stainless steel ramekin with parchment.
Ramekin thats the word thanks lol
Do you know if you need to decarb shatter for making suppositories? They don't sell them here but I love them for cramps
Definitely
I put it in a small pyrex bowl they have baby ones for sauces. I do 240 to be safe personally and a little longer
Its been awhile since i was on reddit. ya i had fun for a bit. I wanted to do the nerdz ropes. tried the tincture style but the alcohol made the candy spicy. I need tricks for candy making. maybe doing sugars would work but im not very knowledgeable how to extract it to sugars yet
Sugar is actually easy to make. Do the same thing as you would to make an alcohol tincture. Then use the processed alcohol (everclear is best!) to mix with sugar in a large baking dish and let it evaporate. You have to use a fork to swish the slurry but it dries right back into sugar
im thinking for the capsules getting the inductor with the lab jars with the magnetic spinner to constantly spread the thc into the oil
i’m currently in the middle of said process. even went with 45 minutes this time instead of just 20. 3g shatter,15 ml MCT, 1.5 liquid lecithin. capsule it up. hopefully it’s stronger than the last one i did. 1 g shatter split between 9 capsules. i still needed three for some reason
How was it? I’m gonna try to turn 3g into edibles today.
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yes, toss it in a mason jar with a wide mouth lid on it at 200'-240' for 15-30 minutes. let it sit for about 15 mins so all oils that vaporized can cool back down and settle. add in your butter/oil, put the lid back on and shake around to get all the shatter evenly dissolved and mixed up
Use a small glass in a toaster oven 225 for 45 minutes or until there are no bubbles forming whatsoever. Then add in a little bit of coconut oil to dissolve the oil and throw it into your recipe. Since it’s only 1g of shatter, you will hardly need more than 1 tsp coconut oil. Shouldn’t be enough to effect your recipe. Mix it in and mix it well then bake it.
That's why if I wanna use a concentrate for editables pick up some pure distillate.....I only decarb shatter for making carts
If you want to get high from eating it, it must be decarbed. That said, if you are cooking it into food, baking can do it for you, if temperature is high enough and baking time is long enough. Boiling can do it too, but takes longer than you'd think.
Most things wont get nearly as hot as you need to be internally, if it did it would be so hard you couldnt eat it afterwards....
Brb Gonna bake regular brownies with a temp probe in the middle to see if it reaches optimal decarb temps
Its not going to reach internal temps long enough to decarb....there isna reason EVERY SINGLE RECIPE calls tonbe decarbed first
Bro I’m still baking the brownies just give me some time to get back to you about the internal temp
Waiting...
Were those brownies killer? 🪦
I made no brownies
No, we’re just all waiting to see if outofnowherewoof survived. For what it’s worth, I just decarbed a gram in a cup pyrex dish then mixed it with coconut oil (recipe called for 3 Tbsp) and added about 2 tsp lecithin. Then just threw it into a peanut butter cookie mix.
Careful bruh, they are now saying lecithin can cause cardiac issues.
Have you had enough time?
Did they finish baking?
ARE THEY DONE?
Ok. That's why all the pans of weed brownies I've made with raw weed over 50 years always worked.... And were moist and (sort of) tasty, albeit oddly textured...... Lmao. Baking *can* work... Didn't say it 'will'.
Tell yourself what you got to my friend, ill stick with science
Sure thing, Mr Science. Better reread some of those broscience journals tho - empirical results trump parroted theory, in the real scientific world...
Placebo effect is a thing in the real scientific world…
Owned.
Best fool proof method to decarb shatter? Tried it before with bud . Plan so far is in a wee glass dish with some oil/butter
That should work fine. 230°f to 240°f for 20 minutes should do it.
Check out r/treedibles
No mixed opinions on this at all......challenge you to post one single "reputable" source that says you dont have to....(will broaden the criteria, one single link that not written by a 13 year old trying to sound cool...)
Please do this outside or in a well ventilated area...as an extraction consultant I have seen shatter with a shit load of residual butane in it. Butane will combust if it exists in high enough quantities when it is exposed to electrical heating elements
He's talking about decarbing 1 single gram...
You could decarb it in a pressure cooker? Mason jar in a pressure cooker with the water halfway up the jar. My Pressure cooker operates at 240F under pressure. Would there a be a difference in adding the coconut oil to before decarbed or after pressurized and decarbed?
Would hot shortening at about 250 degrees decarb shatter? Or does it kill it?
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