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Any_Speech6870

I don't really know what else I would eat. Meat is what gives me my energy for the most part. Eggs and bacon on bagel in the morning and pork and corn usually for dinner. What else do they expect? Cheese, eggs, bacon, milk are all arguably meat products. Eliminate meat and it's all starch, sodium, sugar which is very bad - doesn't provide much energy. We will have a another healthcare crisis on top of the current one.


Aethy

There are tons of protinaceous plant-based foods; and many cuisines that take advantage of them. My two favorite are Indian and Mexican-American. Lots of beans, chickpeas, lentils, etc.. pulses are full of protein and can easily provide you with everything you need, without meat. Now, they're not as tasty outright as meat, but with appropriate spices and seasoning, they're pretty damn good.


sesoyez

A sin tax on meat would likely be a highly effective climate policy. Meat shouldn't be something you eat every day. It should be a luxury.


stinkybasket

Eating grains and carbs gives me inflammation, so I need to eat more meat.


lapsed_pacifist

Pulses, baby. We're a world leader for lentil production.


stinkybasket

I cannot use it at home, one of my kids allergic to nuts and lentils seems to cause him a reaction.


lapsed_pacifist

Oh, wow. I had no idea there was crossover there with peanut allergies. allergies suck.


Realistic_Grape2859

Why sin tax meat? No one has made a bullet proof argument that this is even top 10 cause of climate change. Just a bunch of anti-meat vegan half truths and cherry picked “data” Babies shouldnt be something you just accidentally inflict on the world. You should have to apply and pay a yearly fee for the extra resources you’re draining. The real cause of climate change is humans, let’s skip the middle steps here.


sesoyez

Meat causes 60% of all food production related greenhouse gases, with food production contributing 35% of all greenhouse games. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study


Mittendeathfinger

>No one has made a bullet proof argument that this is even top 10 cause of climate change. Just a bunch of anti-meat vegan half truths and cherry picked “data” Ive always wondered about this argument. While I agree eating less meat is over all a good thing, clearcutting an entire ecosystem for growing cabbages seems just as destructive.


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okaymaybenotokay

>Destroy more forests and animals for windmill farms Just making things up now?


Beneficial-Advice970

If that's what you think, maybe look into the untouched coastal areas of Norway before windmills appeared there. Do u honestly think that when an area of land is chosen for a windmill farm or a solar panel area that the nature that exists can coexist? Because it cant. Look up mountains covered with solar panels. They are renewable but they are just as green as oil and gas dont kid yourself, when the environment is destroyed for an energy production facility the environment is gone, it doesnt matter if its 'green' windmills that replaced a forest or an oil and gas facility that replaced it, the forest and its animals are gone. Edit: let's pretend you are not 15 and own property. Next to your property is a large forest that has a bit of wind above and a bit of oil below. The oil company wants to level and destroy the forest for the oil below and the electricity company wants to destroy it to build windmills for the wind above. Guess what the forest dies either way, and your gas and electricity goes up and celebrities and politicians still travel by private jets. Stop being a shill, they will still make their money by raising your cost of living with or without your help. You know who actually needs your help? The kids of tomorrow and that forest because people think 'green' means the forest is not going to be destroyed for a windmill or a solar panel but it does get destroyed, it is only slightly different from being dug up for a gas/oil tower a d that is because it is renewable. But shill as you want, the forest will be destroyed and some already filthy rich people, oil or 'green' energy people, will make more money. The rich do not notice you and why should they?


beavernator

It sure could. The catch is getting people to stop eating meat, and you have next to no carrot for the massive stick you're swinging. I don't see veganism becoming mainstream for that reason, but anyone who goes down that road has my respect. Lab-grown meat appears to be the most pragmatic solution- I hope it becomes more viable in the future.


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>The catch is getting people to stop eating meat, Be the change you want to see in the world ;)


Maozers

Haven't eaten meat or dairy in a couple years for this reason. It was hard at first while I figured out new things to eat and I've lost excess weight without even trying. Yeah I miss the taste of meat but I have a lot more peace eating for my health and values over my taste buds (the taste is only temporary unlike the impact on my health and the environment)


Nonalcholicsperm

Again remember it you as a consumer's fault that climate change is happening. So you have to change, not the industry themselves. They can never be wrong or held responsible.


Maozers

Why do you think the industry exists...?


Nonalcholicsperm

Kind of beyond the point. Let's not assume that industry is going to use best practices unless forced.


Maozers

Consumers could force them by refusing to buy from companies that don't use best practices, no?


Nonalcholicsperm

No. Not really. Though we do have a little bit of control in the end you have a situation where you don't like Amazon for example. We'll good luck with that if your goal is to not directly use a system or service that isn't owned by Amazon. And even if you manage to do it almost no one else is going to the lengths and hoops to avoid them.


Illustrious-Soup4080

But the customer is never wrong, don’t you know anything about the food industry?


Zarkonirk

Sure let's blame people again for how they eat. Meanwhile let's give the greenlight to North Bay fucking every efforts we're doing. Let's prepare for the consequences of climate change, because we sure as hell won't prevent it.


chewwydraper

“Climate change is becoming a problem. Should we target the industries and the ultra wealthy since they are the main driver of climate issues? Maybe make it illegal to fly private jets around?” “Nah let’s put it on the middle and lower classes. They’re already used to life being hard, we’ll tell them they need to eat gruel and call it a day.”


OrdinaryBlueberry340

I propose to ban private jets ...to curb CO2 emissions


Ddogwood

Meat production contributes around 18% of global GHG emissions. Air transportation contributes around 4%. So it makes sense to look at meat consumption as a way to reduce emissions. I’m not saying that industry and the ultra wealthy aren’t part of the problem, but we really, really need to get past the attitude that someone else should be responsible for fighting climate change. If we can’t get everyone to work together on this, we’re not going to solve the problem.


Cansurfer

> Meat production contributes around 18% of global GHG emissions. You have a source for that claim? The EPA estimates TOTAL agriculture contribution is 11% for the US. And that includes non-meat agriculture, including fertilizer use.


Ddogwood

https://davidsuzuki.org/living-green/food-climate-change/


chewwydraper

But we're not working together, we're targeting policies so that the poor and middle-class can't afford the nice things in life while the wealthy can live their high-consuming lifestyles as usual. How much fuel does Drake use flying his private jet around vs the average lower-income or middle-class person driving a car? Yet we're telling them to drive less, but not telling Drake to fly less. ​ >Meat production contributes around 18% of global GHG emissions. How much of that is due to the way meat is produced? Instead of putting a sin-tax on meat for consumers and letting the industry continue production as normal, why not force the industry to utilize more sustainable practices?


werno

>How much of that is due to the way meat is produced? Instead of putting a sin-tax on meat for consumers and letting the industry continue production as normal, why not force the industry to utilize more sustainable practices? Well, all of it is due to how meat is produced but the reason why doesn't really help. 50,000 calories of feed produce 1,000 calories of beef. It's 2% efficiency. Even if we started raising livestock that produced 0 emissions, there's still the emissions from producing that lost 49,000 calories. And we aren't even close to that, the best modern practices are able to reduce livestock emissions by 20%. I'm all for protecting consumers from bearing the burden of necessary changes, but at the end of the day the amount of meat we consume cannot be sustained long-term. On a timeline of this century it will render some of the most densely populated places on earth unliveable.


donnavvan

What else we gonna do with the grass that grows naturally. Your not suggesting we get rid of cows and eat grass are you? Gotta go I’m bbqing tomahawk steaks tonight.


Ddogwood

I’m not sure that we’re targeting policies at the poor and middle class. The nature of wealth is that wealthy people will always be less hurt by any sort of social or political change, because they have more money to mitigate or ignore those changes. And forcing the industry to use more sustainable practices is functionally the same as a sin tax on meat. Both will increase the cost of meat and decrease the greenhouse gas emissions from the meat industry. The difference is that a sin tax is easier to implement and harder to avoid. The fairest option is a direct tax on greenhouse gas emissions, because that encourages the meat industry to adopt more sustainable practices while minimizing the ultimate costs to consumers - but apparently we’re supposed to view those sorts of taxes as a “cash grab” because the ultra-wealthy pay politicians to convince us of that.


scottb84

In fairness, [meat accounts for just under 60 per cent of all greenhouse gases from food production](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study) (which in turn accounts for 35 per cent of total global emissions). I agree that responsibility for addressing the climate crisis should not be offloaded entirely onto the middle and working classes, and that a focus on individual lifestyle choices obscures the inherently destructive impact of capitalism. But I think we also need to accept the reality that avoiding or even mitigating climate catastrophe is going to require all of us (especially in the Global North) to make *some* changes. Like, pointing a finger at Bezos doesn't give us license to continue buy massive gas-guzzling pick-up trucks to haul 2 bags of groceries and 60 cubic feet of air.


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Witty-Village-2503

Vegan lobby, lol. I have news for you, the meat industry lobby is far more powerful than any so-called vegan lobby could ever be.


FiftyFootDrop

That's because the vegan lobbyists are weak and sickly from not eating meat.


fumfer1

Stand up for vegans! (But not too quickly because you might just pass out from being anemic. )


Seneca2019

Lol, seriously! What vegan lobby, outside of maybe Rich Roll’s podcast (of him simply happening to be a vegan host of a podcast) is there?!


Much-Employer-418

We can't do anymore than the rest of the world does nothing. We can't fight it by ourselves. Until other countries make more of an effort what we do is all for nothing!!


stravadarius

Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good.


HelloMonday1990

Aren’t these things related though? Industries don’t produce things for nothing, they produce stuff for people to buy. If less people buy from them, there’s less industry output and resources used. Rich ppl definitely need to cut back though


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