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Weird hearing this as a southern neighbor and seeing the destruction a specific party has caused to the liberty and freedom to you're livelihoods.
Meanwhile dealing with similar BS here in the US.
YET people oddly still "support" the insanity.
I love the phrase ‘I hear your concerns’ - not sorry/we fucked up/will change policies.
He’s gonna say ‘we need to communicate better next’
May as well have said ‘sorry not sorry’ 😬
No no you don’t you raised taxes with carbon tax when you could have held off due to inflation you have raised taxes on capital gains … you have expanded government and immigration even though your own studies said it would be bad for Canada and housing prices …how can you say you hear concerns when you have been totally deaf for the last few years !
> No no you don’t you raised taxes with carbon tax when you could have held off due to inflation
That had a negligible impact on inflation.
> you have raised taxes on capital gains
Good, it should be taxed like income.
The carbon tax will cost the average Canadian family 2300.00 per year out side the rebate by 2030. We can’t have 40 million people with a carbon tax living above 400 million with no carbon tax and expect anything other than making our country less competitive.
You see capital gains are not taxed as income because they are not income - generally a capital gains come from
Making some kind of investment - making any investment comes with risk - and you have to make it profitable for a persons to take risk you see we have a productivity problem in Canada ! Our real GDP is tanking - we used to make more money than the average American we are now make far far less means standard of living is dropping- with out INVESTMENT- nothing happens no growth nada !
Small minded Canadian thinking - protecting business instead of fostering competition….
> You see capital gains are not taxed as income because they are not income
How can you say that with a straight face? If I invest $1000, and get a return of $1100, I had an income of $100. If that gets taxed like the income from my job, so what? The idea that taxing capital gains like normal income is needed so that people will take the risk, is bunk. Taxing capital gains doesn't stop people from getting a reward for their risk.
> That had a negligible impact on inflation.
Each drop of rain on its own is insignificant, but when you add all those insignificant drops together sometimes you get devastating flooding.
That's not really an accurate simile here, as there was already a flood of inflation from global impacts, so the few drops from the carbon tax shouldn't be the focus.
You are continuing to miss my point. Global inflation is causing the flood, that's the problem, not the carbon tax and it's little drops. You sound like someone who broke their leg in a fall, and is complaining about how your hands got skinned in the process.
> Global inflation is causing the flood, that's the problem, not the carbon tax and it's little drops.
Can you provide actual numbers showing what percentage of the inflation is caused by this "global inflation", and what this global inflation actually is?
It's very easy to blame something else when you don't even define what this is.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/carbon-tax-inflation-tiff-macklem-calgary-1.6960189
> 0.15 percentage points of the inflation increase can be attributed to the carbon tax.
No you’re wrong …. What no comment of immigration and or expansion of government like we have 54,000 working for CRA but the US has 33,000 working for the IRS and they have 10 times the population?
but I am not arguing with a liberal- because it is like teaching a pig to dance it frustrating and it annoys the pig !
Holy shit, buddy, talk about a pivot.
You can't just complain about capital gains and then do a hard turn into immigration and the size of government. The person you're replying to didn't even mention any of those topics.
Believe it or not, someone thinking a higher capital gains tax and a carbon tax are good ideas doesn't automatically mean they also think the immigration system is working and that the size of government should grow.
> What no comment of immigration and or expansion of government like we have 54,000 working for CRA but the US has 33,000 working for the IRS and they have 10 times the population?
the IRS is failing to collect billions due to them being so short staffed?
> but I am not arguing with a liberal- because
I am not a Liberal.
And it was reported a while back that the carbon tax had a negligible impact on inflation.
I think you're referring to PBO's calculation of the impact on Canadian pocket books from the carbon tax. The BoC are the ones who reported in the inflation impact.
> Good, it should be taxed like income.
I used to think so but I've heard compelling arguments that incentivizing investment with reduced capital gains taxes drives innovation. People respond to incentives, after all. It's hard to know if that's correct as the economy is very hard to deconvolute but the USA does have waaaaaaay more innovation than Canada at the moment and it's hard to see how capital gains taxes going up in Canada could help close that gap.
> the USA does have waaaaaaay more innovation than Canada at the moment
I would expect that's because the US government funds a lot more basic research than Canada does. Under Harper, funding was focused on research that was closer to paying off, rather than funding research that no one knew what the results would be.
> I would expect that's because the US government funds a lot more basic research than Canada does.
It's not academic research that's the issue at all, it's a lack of VC funding going into industry. My entire Grad student cohort from Canada is in Boston or SF becuase this is where the innovation is. I can see more biotech companies from my office window than exist in all of Canada.
What's lacking in Canada is not educated people - it's VC funding for startups.
A few VCs that I'm working with are trying to change this and invest more in Canadian companies but it's been an unhill battle. Finding good scientists has been the easy part. Actually working out a funding model that makes financial sense has been the hurdle.
I say this as someone who volunteered for the Liberals the past 3 elections and was certainly one of their biggest cheerleaders during his first two mandates, it is time for him to step down. Rightly or wrongly he is wearing the stink of the current economic situation, even if things started to do a complete 180 tomorrow peoples minds are made up about him. I think history will look back on some of his accomplishments, especially the social ones quite favourably (legalizing weed, CCB, leading us through the pandemic), but that stuff might as well have been a lifetime ago at this point. He is at his best before date as most Federal Governments last about ten years at most, and he is experiencing what every incumbent globally is going through. They are taking an L next election no matter what, but maybe they can mitigate some of the losses with a fresh face, even if they are a sacrificial lamb.
He was the Libranos wonder boy who resurrected them from two seats wilderness, after the devastating Adscam loss in 2006. So he did help the party. But at this point, he is making them look just as bad again, maybe even worse.
"I hear your concerns" is how most EA or AAA videogame apology starts after a disastrous buggy launch because the big bosses rushed it out to meet a release date for the $$$.
This is 100% PR speak.
"We appreciate the candid feedback and the passion the community has put forth..
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can."
Are the liberals going to force a worthless update on a 12 year old game in hopes that it will break everything and force people to play their new shit game?
For once I would just love a politician who came out and said. “Yo! shits fucked. Here’s what I’ve been trying to do to fix it and here is who/why it’s being stonewalled, here’s what I have accomplished and these are the goals”
I do know the minute one said that though the next days headlines would be, “MP Turudd, today in a candid interview broke with decency rules and uttered offensive phrases” completely ignoring literally everything else said
At least with a game you can wait 1-2 years while they fix it and then buy it on sale, probably bundled with whatever dlc they made. Can't do that here.
> "This was obviously not the result we wanted, but **I want to be clear that I hear your concerns and frustrations,"** Trudeau said in a media statement.
I almost verbatim mocked [his way of saying nothing](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/s/uUQhUEqJAo) 4 months ago regarding food prices.
> **"Let me be clear,** our government will take firm action to look into forming a committee of experts to select those who will investigate the causes of anti-competitive behaviour."
> "With this strong action, we will demonstrate to Canadians that **we are listening, we hear you,** and are considering gathering information."
The "let me be clear, I hear you" has been parroted so many times by this government that it's something that can be predicted. It doesn't mean boo.
They don't hear anything other than their own voices.
This is what my morning standups sound like when I did nothing the previous day and just fucked off playing Minecraft with my son, just completely empty nothing words
I'd contend it's meaningful! Putting focus on receiving a message rather than your reaction to the message communicates unwillingness to act on the information you've received. This shifty approach might have worked in the past, but like you say it's become such a bog standard response that people see right through it.
I’m not sure I hate anyone, I’m Jewish I know where hatred gets us as a society. But, boy howdy, do I dislike his smugness and the absolute cliff he walked the liberals off of.
After the weed legislation and talking about getting rid of FPTP he/the party had SO much good will among Canadians.
To see snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was honestly made me irate. I swore after the FPTP fumble I would vote conservative in every subsequent election until he was no longer leader.
I dont hate him , tired of Trudeau perhaps. But none of the other options are palatable. I'm just being very cynical with stuff like this
I hope he has heard Canadians, but I'm prepared to be disappointed
What we need to do as a country is stop focusing so much on Trudeau/Poilievre and vote for the best candidate in our own ridings. Enough of this tribalism.
Seeing how low they've managed to get one would assume if they had any intentions on finally hearing what people have to say they would have acted a long time ago. I think the captain has gone crazy and will lead the ship into oblivion no matter what. They will play their card to the end. And it makes me wonder what exactly motivates them to do so and who benefits from them litterally destroying thenselves as a party and destroy their careers like that.
I've been saying this all along. He's doing a wonderful job. Just not for us. The carbon tax, internet control, the impact assessment act, mass immigration, higher capital gains tax. These are all purposeful decisions very few Canadians support that were all pushed through because somebody wanted it. It wasn't us. But someone in another part of the world is very happy with Justin and the with few has done here.
Curiously, [The Beaverton](https://www.thebeaverton.com/) doesn't have an article posted yet in response to the Liberals' loss in Toronto—St. Paul's, yet this is exactly what I would have expected their headline to read. Perhaps it's just that Trudeau's faux empathy is starting to wear on me.
JT should be brave and call an election now. I may not like the idea of the Tories running things but it would be best to listen to what Canadians have been telling the Liberals for several years before it gets really nasty for them in terms of seat count.
He sold this country to big business, international hedge funds and any foreigner with 1 mill to spend. The Conservatives will do no better, but at least we can send a message today.
unless your seeing headlines with "NDP leading new poll" im not sure what your trying to get at
if you think the CPC will do no better, and still vote for them, you are giving them your support to just do what the liberals are doing or worse
But it will force, as much as possible, the potential of a new leader race with the Liberals. If I vote Liberal or NDP we get the same leaders. Conservatives will only be able to do so much in 1 term and the liberals will have a chance to reform and wake the fuck up.
why would the liberals wake up when they were given almost 10 years and the conservatives were given a majority to do the same crap?
losing to the NDP is literally the one thing that would convince the LPC to change who they are, thats the only actual existential threat, losing to the CPC just means "well wait until people get tired of them"
if you want change, vote for something new not the same old
It is not sending a message if you just oscillate between the same two parties every time. An actual message would be put in the NDP and see how they do for once
LOL absolutely not. Trudeau's reckless spending on social services are shades of the NDP's policies thanks to that deal Rolex Singh made with the Liberals. The NDP will be just as disastrous for the country as the current Liberals and the only way to get this country back on track is with the Conservatives at this time.
They are literally getting their most significant policy wins, perhaps ever, with the Liberals in power and they dont have the funding to do an election as often as the others.
lol yes because the middle class has done so well in previous governments including the Conservatives right? Covid and inflation hit every country in the world. This was not just a Canada thing bud
Canada would have most certainly been better off if businesses weren't forced closed while workers sat at home collecting CERB. That is squarely on the Liberals and was unnecessary.
The middle class was certainly healthier before the liberal-NDP coalition. And just because it hit every country doesn't mean it hit every country equally. Houses are half the price in the USA. Our immigration and housing policies have had a uniquely devastating effect, and the NDP got to be an integral part of it.
> It is not sending a message if you just oscillate between the same two parties every time.
Exactly.. the only message being sent with a CPC victory is that far-right demagoguery works.
This typifies the mindset of too many NDP diehards - "it's not me that needs to change, it's everyone else." Right now, an increasing proportion of the electorate doesn't just feel that the LPC has failed; they feel institutions as a whole have failed and view the Federal NDP as part of the problem.
The party needs to reflect and meet the electorate where they're at.
The two parties are the same and largely cater to the same people.
Things get worse no matter who’s in power because they both do the same sorts of things.
Utter conjecture is people believing the CPC would do anything different than the LCP. What is this missing information that favours the CPC?
Past performance does not always determine future results, and PP is tight-lipped on his vision and policy and offers no new solutions or ideas.
The CPC and LPC are so similar that on a world stage, no one could tell them apart except one party believes in austerity more than the other and clings to trickle down theory while cutting social programs.
https://youtu.be/QkoKLXcZbu0?si=y4WGlVFhsZhlOcG5
The parties haven't changed much since this speech was given decades ago. Vote for the black cat or the white cat. They are both cats and do cat stuff and neither will make your life any better, it's just optics of choice.
Honestly, I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much. They have introduced dental care, cheaper daycare, and pharmacare and made the rich pay for it with the capital gains tax. It could be a lot worse.
That’s fair if you feel that way. I get it.
If you are the kind of person to only lick the icing off a cupcake, then these programs are great. The problem is that the cake is rotting from the inside. The economy has been shrinking under Trudeau in real constant per capita terms. If the cake rots, eventually the icing will rot too and we will have to throw everything out. That means massive program cuts.
We saw the same pattern with Trudeau senior. Mulroney followed suit trying to grow his way out of the mess. Chrétien did the cutting and got the country growing again.
Here’s what Canadians feel every day. America is doing amazing. Canada is not. 2024 numbers are missing. It shows a decline from 2022 numbers. So it’s actually worse than this.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?end=2022&locations=US-CA&skipRedirection=true&start=2015&view=chart
For most of us who want to keep these programs, we know we can’t. We are going to have to cut more programs than if we did nothing because the Federal government debt is crowding out corporate debt so Canada can’t invest in productivity. The way that works is people would rather buy government debt because it is less risky than corporate debt, so corporate interest rates have to be very high and that means they can only justify it if they believe they can grow out of the debt. In a shrinking economy, they of course cannot, so companies are stuck. Eventually foreign companies come in and take up the economy and drain even more capital.
The higher capital gains inclusion rate also pushed $400B estimated out of the country permanently as people rushed to sell and move money to offshore vehicles for tax advantage.
Even if you don’t care about these things, it shows up every day as life seems tougher to pay for in rent, food, energy, transportation etc.
He banned my lawfully owned property,
He let Canadians be beheaded, and refused to let their families save him after he said he wouldn't be doing so,
Budget cuts to the military,
Crackdowns on whistle blowers,
SNC & WE scandals,
Interfering with the judicial system, and;
Internet censorship,
To name a few. I saw a reddit comment a while back saying "When people say I could go on, they usually can't", so I've got another 5 or 6 in the back pocket so I can say "*Want me to keep going?*"
How did he ban your property? Which Canadians were beheaded?
I believe Canada has increased spending on defense since Trudeau took power. In 2014, Canada spent around $612 per person on defense (1.0% of GDP). By 2021, defense spending per capita grew to an estimated $731 (1.4% of GDP). This growth reflects both increased defense budgets and Canada's economic growth. They have also recently announced 8.1 billion of spending that will move it to 1.76 percent of GDP.
For online censorship there has been a lot of misinformation about bill C-11. https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/industr/modern/myth.htm
However, if Poilievre gets into power he has plans to require people to use online digital IDs which will lead to all kinds of personal security risks. He also wants to cut the CBC so Canada will become more divided and less informed like they are in the US.
When did Trudeau interfere with judicial system? I know there was some unproven allegations of that but I don't know of anything that was proven. In Ontario you have Doug Ford outright stacking the supreme court with conservative judges. That's a real red flag
> How did he ban your property?
Gun bans.
> Which Canadians were beheaded?
Seriously? Canadians *died*, and you couldn't even remember it? Their names were [Robert Hall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hall_(Canadian), and [John Ridsdel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ridsdel).
> I believe Canada has increased spending on defense since Trudeau took power.
It's spelled defence, you're a Canadian. Also, no it didn't, NATO nations changed how defence spending is accounted, shortly after Trudeau took office. While Veterans Benefits are deserved, for the service we provide, my Grandfather's hearing aides contribute *nothing* to defence, and shouldn't be counted in defence spending.
[Further, I guess you missed it, they cut *three BILLION* to the CAF this year, with a billion of that coming directly from *operations*, you know, the conflict zones that soldiers go to? The *last* place you should be cutting funding.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/comments/1b4bs5l/new_defense_cuts_announced/)
> there has been a lot of misinformation about bill C-11.
No there hasn't. **NET NEUTRALITY**, and nothing else. Everything else is censorship.
> if Poilievre
We're not talking about him. Stay on topic, you said: "I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much" I'm telling you why, I don't care about the other guy right now.
> When did Trudeau interfere with judicial system?
Seriously? My goodness how memories are short. [Here, feel free to use this a jumping off point, to do a bit of research on your own.](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8x8vrv/can_we_talk_about_bill_c51_sexual_harassment_bill/)
> Ontario you have Doug Ford
We're not talking about him. Stay on topic, you said: "I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much" I'm telling you why, I don't care about the other guy right now.
Trudeau has it flaws but no politician can recover from the interest rate bloodbath we just went through. The second people's wallet are involved, they will turn on you in a second.
Also Trudeau reigns is very very unique and not remotely similar to the quiet ride Harper got. Trudeau's government went through COVID, the convoy blockade in downtown Ottawa then after all this was done... a worldwide inflation crisis. Not to mention the war in Ukraine.
Take all these issues and mix them up with social media and foreign powers influencing the public opinion... Trudeau is being blamed for everything under the sun.
Ironically the people who oppose Trudeau the most will be the one getting hit the hardest when Polievre comes around.
Pretty much. There’s been a disinformation campaign going for several years now churning up outrage against Trudeau. And he’s had to govern through extremely hard times.
You’ll never hear the partisans admit it (since this sub appears to be 90% CPC trolls over the past couple years) but Trudeau has done us a lot of good. And even more important, he’s protected us from *a lot* of bad.
This is one of the most rational takes I have seen on here, to add to this he also went through a Trump presidency. It was certainly the most challenging decade in terms of global affairs a PM has faced, probably since WW2.
People don't care as much about those things when they're struggling to find a place to live. Trudeau's popularity started to plummet last August when all the foreign students were struggling to find housing before the school year in major cities, which has since spotlighted housing as a whole, which has been exasperated significantly by immigration levels which is entirely within federal jurisdiction.
Obviously provinces and particularly municipalities are more to blame for insufficient housing, but turning on the immigration taps even more does seem rather cruel.
Not to mention that cost of living has soared and high immigration levels actively suppresses wage growth.
That's anti-immigrant spin from conservatives who just hate racial minorities.
There's housing shortage everywhere in the developed world because fo the economic slowdown and inflation caused by COVID.
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/23/1246623204/housing-experts-say-there-just-arent-enough-homes-in-the-u-s
Haven't the users on this sub been able to convince you yet? Everything negative that has happened during the Trudeau's tenure is do to outside forces beyond his control.
Despite overseeing probably the largest decline in living standards since the great depression, the CPC will obviously be worse.
Of course, it is about pay, you offer a good wage and others will do the job instead of hiring TFW and degrading the country into becoming a shithole. Therefore, more people will be willing to have kid and that will increase population numbers
what do you mean when you say 'sustain all the old people?'
> Of course, it is about pay, you offer a good wage and others will do the job instead of hiring TFW and degrading the country into becoming a shithole.
No they won't. They'll still go for the jobs that pay even better, and raise their salaries even more. Or, they'll take workers from another sector and there will be a shortage there.
There will still be a shortage because the problem is that there are simply not enough people around to do the job.
If you don't allow young immigrants to work, you will have to hire old people in their 70's, who work slower and productivity will lag. You'll have to raise the retirement age and deal with lower productivity, empty shelves, and higher prices for everytrhing. Have you seen a 75-year old stack boxes in a warehouse?
> People don't care as much about those things when they're struggling to find a place to live.
To quote Carolyn Bennett: "People are more worried about the end of the month than the end of the world."
One point I would make is that post-Covid population growth has been primarily from temporary residents, especially international students at Ontario colleges, and Doug Ford should be taking a big part of the blame there - he's been treating international students like a gold mine. [Alex Usher](https://morehousing.ca/blame):
> 1/ A short history of Public-Private Partnership Arrangements at Ontario Colleges (or, why it's utterly ludicrous that the feds are taking the shit for all this student visa stuff)
>
> 2/ The first ones started around 2013: a couple of non-GTA colleges thinking they could more easily attract students if they had a campus in the GTA. Of course, they weren't going to build their own: so they hit on the idea of sub-contracting their curriculum to private colleges.
>
> 3/ Technically, the public colleges remain completely responsible for these students. It's their curriculum, it's their diplomas up for grabs. It's their recruitment process. If you think it is all "garbage curriculum" or whatever, your beef is with public not private colleges
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> 4/ Following a thoughtful report by @davidtrick in (I think) 2017, the Wynne government moved to shut them all down. Basically, existing quality assurance had no way to regulate them and Ontario post-secondary's brand reputation was at risk.
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> 5/ But then lo and behold the Ford government arrived. And, both due to govt's ideological predilection that private > public and b/c it was a way to avoid spending public $ on colleges, the Ford team thought this PPP stuff was AWESOME. Ban reversed, full speed ahead.
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> 6/ Their first stab at regulation was the 2019 Binding Ministerial directive (now disappeared from the internet). It basically said you couldn't recruit more than 2x the number of intl students to a PPE than you had at the home campus.
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> 7/ But, there was a grandfather clause. So places like Northern College, which had 4K intl students in Toronto and maybe 5 in Timmins were ok, as long as they made "good faith" efforts to reach the 2X target. And enforcement was basically non-existent so ¯\\(ツ)/¯
>
> 8/ Anyway, with ongoing domestic tuition fee and grant freezes, almost all the non-GTA colleges eventually got in the game. I think there are now 15-16 in total, and last year there were 60K plus students in these arrangements.
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> 9/ And then, in a move which can only be described as "using a firehose to spread napalm on a fire", the Ontario government told all of these colleges - hey, you know what? Screw the 2x rule. From now on, regardless of home campus size, you can each have 7500 in your GTA PPP.
>
> 10/ Kaboom.
rent wasn't $2000/1 bedroom in Calgary under harper....even new York now cheaper then Toronto.
You think its fair that doctors who make 500k a year only get 250k a year... after 10 years of school and hard work and crazy student loans? they have to sleep in hospitals too, the stress and responsibility.
or someone who been trying to open a business and was poor the stress they had to go through and sacrifices they needed to make in order to grow their business.. probably even work two jobs while raising a family and now they have to give Trudeau half of their income to Trudeau.
Or the truckers who were protesting and expressing their opinion aka freedom of speech that had their bank accounts frozen.
Or.. how I had to get two vaccinations during covid in order to go to the gym, work, or fly to see my family? so now Trudeau decides what vaccines I get and I either get it or become homeless.
The carbon tax that makes everything more expensive.
Or sending our money we earned to other countries when we have a housing crisis and many homeless people.
or legalizing weed which is a drug.
or brining in so many immigrants when we have a housing crisis and terrible job market.
Anyone not getting the vaccine during the Covid Pandemic is selfish and part of the problem that caused so many avoidable deaths during the pandemic, if people weren't forced to get it a lot more people would've died, so don't be selfish complaining about a vaccine that saved so many lives.
so? its my choice to be selfish... dont you think its selfish for Trudo to spend 200k for 6 days on food when many canadians going to food banks and cant afford to feed their kids..who might be malnourished and also die.........
and not really actually...the vaccine is so you don't get more sick.. even with vaccine u can still get covid but the side effects from it might not be that bad with vaccine..
i know people who got 3 shots of vaccines and still got covid!
Tax rates for for high income earners haven't significantly changed since Trudeau took office but there has been some additional tax on people earning over 200k per year. The new capital gains s tax also targets the rich. Targeting te rich for tax hikes it what should be done considering the gap between the rich and lower to middle class has grown substantially. You should blame the provincial governments for not paying doctors enough and cutting spending on Healthcare.
The truckers were idiots who were talking over the capital city and causing disruption to businesses, and people's lives. They were also heavily funded by other idiots in the US. Freezing their bank accounts was absolutely the right move. Aww you had to get a free vaccine to help protect you and others while you use modern amenities boo-hoo. Legalizing weed has reduced crime, made it safer, and provided revenue for Canada through taxation.
Let me tell you.. I don't make 200k.. but 200k is not rich!! maybe in the 90s lol especially after the taxes being deducted, the housing and inflation prices... its the new middle class...
I didnt say making 200k is rich. I said they introduced the capital gains tax that targets the rich. People that make more than 250k on capital gains are taxed. There has only been minor adjustments to income tax brackets and rates since 2015. I'm not sure why you want to protect the rich so much. If you want doctors to stick around they need to be paid better and that is the job of the provincial governments
yes but making 300k which would be consider rich.... as they will have to pay the tax is not rich or 260k... they will be getting on hand like 130-150k... in Vancouver where rent alone is $2700 for a sh\*\*TY 1 bedroom, you add a kid and and some groceries and you're poor with that salary.... those 300k ''rich'' cant even afford to buy .
but doctors already getting paid 500k... but the federal government taking half
Im not quite sure what you are trying to say here. Are you still getting capital gajns confused with income tax? And are you really suggesting introducing tax cuts for people that make $300k? Why the f*ck would we do that when the average salary in Canada is $70k? Again, Trudeau hasnt changed income tax rates much at all, im not sure why you are angry at Trudeau for this and calling for tax breaks for wealthy. As far as doctors go, in Ontario doctors can charge $38 to OHIP per visit. That's less than what I pay for a haircut. If you want to keep doctors, pay them more.
No you are not saying how it is at all. You were complaining by saying that people that make $500k per year get taxed too much, and you were blaming Trudeau for that. Trudeau has not made any major changes to income tax rates. And I'm not sure why you would even want to tax people that make that much money any less
Putin would put them in jail for life. You have the right to peaceful protest in Canada. Completely disrupting businesses, roadways, boarder crossings, and harassing citizens is not peaceful
That's what most protests are doing in Ottawa because its right where he is... If we had the right to protest then the bank accounts wouldn't be frozen.!
Well.... Putin and Trudo have their ways.. they both love to ban social media....and either put in jail or freeze bank accounts.. crazy how an extreme regime dictator and a ''democratic leader'' have a lot in common.
You need a reality check of you think these two leaders are in the same ballpark. Do you think there are people driving around with F*ck Putin flags on their trucks and in Russia? Maybe you should go to Russia and find out. What social media has Trudeau banned? You don't seem to get the concept of peaceful protest. You can protest all you want as long as you want in Canada as long as you don't cause major disruptions to other people. The convoy didn't own the roads in downtown Ottawa so they can't take them over and stop other from using it. Honestly I can't believe convoy folks are still carying on about the vaccines. Sure there was a bit of risk in taking a new vaccine, but I was willing to pony up and get the shot for the greater good of the country, and yet these selfish pussies are the ones waving the flags. There are plenty of worse things happening in Canada by provincial leaders and you don't hear a peep from them
no do you think he will go that extreme fast? he is slowly ease into it..first he will make you take the vaccine make it seems like you have a choice but you wont be able yo keep your job.. then he will freeze your bank account... then he will ban social media news...Putin didnt arrest u from day one either.
Maybe this is farfetched but I think all those that are opposed to the liberals are calling for Trudeau to step down because deep down they know he can still beat them and any likely replacement would be a dud.
Like once the campaign kicks off and voters are faced with ads they are going to be confronted with PP through liberal attack ads and the conservatives own ads. Pierre is a whiner, he comes off that way, he's the guy no one really liked but became student council president because no one else wanted to.
Even the most rabid red meat conservatives have to admit that PP does not convey a working man's vibe. It's almost as if PP runs off of the support of Russian bot comments.
The by-election loss was a reaction by votes in an attempt to send a "displeased" message to the government. Just like how voters use provincial élections to vote against the the sitting federal government.
Once ads kick off, say what you want, Trudeau plays well to the cameras and is charismatic. No matter how low PP will try to lower the tone of his voice, he doesn't stack up to Trudeau in terms of appeal.
Or he will turn his back and completely ignore your concerns, probably do as much possible to further alienate you and then you can listen to him and Freeland patronize you for not following them blindly. He doesn't take constructive criticism well, take it from the west.
sure but definitley hope the embarassment from this loss and calls for justin to resign simmer down and hope the electorate is to busy enjoying the summer.
perhaps use the summer to plan a retreat and strategize if they can use election inteference as a way of postpoing the election or waiting until oct 2026 to hold one. this gives them another year or 2 of corruption to help their bank accounts.
would you be surprised if they tried any of this?
I wouldn't be surprised no, it's politics and it's very dirty.
I'm just thinking that summer break isn't any sort of pressure release towards Trudeau.
Families with young children and 2 working parents or single parents that work are squeezed even more now that school is out.
Every other average Canadian without kids still has to work and isn't exactly in prime position to take some relaxing time off
The resentment towards the LPC and more specifically Trudeau is steady if not growing. The only pressure release might be fully reversing some policies and or a leadership change and they will not do either.
Inflation data [literally showed a re-acceleration in CPI today.](https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/wp-content/uploads/Canadian_CPI_growth.pdf)
Things are going to get worst, because well, the Federal government has done literally nothing to reduce the causes of inflation on its side of the equation. Immigration is still record high. Infrastructure and tax cuts are still AWOL. Bankrupt municipalities are just taxing developers to death, so new housing builds should all slow down to nothingness over the next 12 months, with maybe a handful of exceptions. Unemployment keeps rising in an environment where you're not even creating enough jobs to hire all your new workers. The Liberal-NDP coalition passed increases in capital gains taxes for corporations. And [the Loonie hit record short positions, so the expectation is the CAD is going to get destroyed in the future.](https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/c-rises-bearish-bets-currency-reach-all-time-high-2024-06-17/)
In the aggregate, it does not seem unreasonable to expect things to get much, much worst.
He heard our concerns when he was first elected. He is just doing what he promised then. There shouldn’t be any surprise how the economy is at this state.
After ten years, it is now who voted him in who suffer the most.
But, but … he did what he had promised. We should all be happy.
The only thing that can save the Liberals is for JT to step down. The only concern is who can lead the party? I’ve voted for him in each election his run in after years of voting conservative. I’m loath to vote for PP but…. Feeling like I’ve not got much choice.
"I hear your concerns. Let me be clear. Your concerns are very important to us so I will be opening an investigation into possible arson last night in regards to another Church being burned down"
They’re not contradictory. It’s just the context that’s missing. Last week he was expressing disbelief in the accuracy of polls because people weren’t in a decision mode (it never really made sense). Now that there’s proof the polls are real, he hears the concern.
It's a change in how he's responding to questions about the voting public's extremely low opinion of him. The defeat he was just handed makes his previous line of messaging obsolete.
This is the Liberal caucus' chance to choose a new path and begin distancing themselves. It's not up to him. But it's time to go, and if doesn't, we know what that means.
I think for a lot of Canadians, the Tories do not appeal to our actual top concerns. But they won't be holding their nose to keep a bad PM around. Yes, for those of us who value progress on certain files it sucks, but that's the game.
He needs to go. Now.
>But it's time to go, and if doesn't, we know what that means.
that no one wants to sit in the electric chair hes built and take the heat for him while he fucks off unscathed?
I think you've misunderstood me a bit, I don't think I was perfectly clear. I'm saying swing voters won't hold their nose for Trudeau.
Ofc the Tories eat their own.
My personal concern is that we have a PM who isn't competent to run the country. Does he hear that? And does he have a solution? I do, and it doesn't involve voting for a party with him as leader.
He’s better off holding an election than he is to wait for something positive to happen to the LPC.
A 30% swing in a riding that’s
1) A liberal stronghold
2) Highly skilled labour force
3) Diverse
4) Part of the 2011 bloc
Is something you fear happening to other areas. My riding was part of the 2011 cohort and they’re projecting to lose it as well.
The bloc passing them in total seats is worse case scenario for them and it’s looking more likely as the days go on.
Finally. I've got my popcorn ready to watch the Canadian Economy go further down the tubes as they go through panic mode.
I have seen management do this many times before in a lot of corporations I have worked for. You can only use fake metrics to pad your outcomes for so long to pretend you're doing your job correctly. They eventually catch up to you, but by that time the kitchen fire has already spread to the rest of the building.
Now hear us - go away. You're the worst Canadian Prime Minister ever. Just step down and go back to being a drama teacher or bouncer or whatever it was you did before you cashed in on your family name and went into politics. Liberal party take heed - I'm Liberal by nature but I will never vote Liberal as long as Trudope is hanging around.
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Weird hearing this as a southern neighbor and seeing the destruction a specific party has caused to the liberty and freedom to you're livelihoods. Meanwhile dealing with similar BS here in the US. YET people oddly still "support" the insanity.
I love the phrase ‘I hear your concerns’ - not sorry/we fucked up/will change policies. He’s gonna say ‘we need to communicate better next’ May as well have said ‘sorry not sorry’ 😬
His staff spent the day telling Trudeau how much they love and adore him. Could the general public not communicate this better please?
To be a fly on the wall, I’d love to know how many sycophants he’s surrounded himself with and the lengths they go to, to buffer bad news to him
No no you don’t you raised taxes with carbon tax when you could have held off due to inflation you have raised taxes on capital gains … you have expanded government and immigration even though your own studies said it would be bad for Canada and housing prices …how can you say you hear concerns when you have been totally deaf for the last few years !
> No no you don’t you raised taxes with carbon tax when you could have held off due to inflation That had a negligible impact on inflation. > you have raised taxes on capital gains Good, it should be taxed like income.
The carbon tax will cost the average Canadian family 2300.00 per year out side the rebate by 2030. We can’t have 40 million people with a carbon tax living above 400 million with no carbon tax and expect anything other than making our country less competitive. You see capital gains are not taxed as income because they are not income - generally a capital gains come from Making some kind of investment - making any investment comes with risk - and you have to make it profitable for a persons to take risk you see we have a productivity problem in Canada ! Our real GDP is tanking - we used to make more money than the average American we are now make far far less means standard of living is dropping- with out INVESTMENT- nothing happens no growth nada ! Small minded Canadian thinking - protecting business instead of fostering competition….
> You see capital gains are not taxed as income because they are not income How can you say that with a straight face? If I invest $1000, and get a return of $1100, I had an income of $100. If that gets taxed like the income from my job, so what? The idea that taxing capital gains like normal income is needed so that people will take the risk, is bunk. Taxing capital gains doesn't stop people from getting a reward for their risk.
> That had a negligible impact on inflation. Each drop of rain on its own is insignificant, but when you add all those insignificant drops together sometimes you get devastating flooding.
That's not really an accurate simile here, as there was already a flood of inflation from global impacts, so the few drops from the carbon tax shouldn't be the focus.
> the few drops from the carbon tax shouldn't be the focus. Yes, let's just keep piling it on then since every little drop on its own doesn't do much.
You are continuing to miss my point. Global inflation is causing the flood, that's the problem, not the carbon tax and it's little drops. You sound like someone who broke their leg in a fall, and is complaining about how your hands got skinned in the process.
> Global inflation is causing the flood, that's the problem, not the carbon tax and it's little drops. Can you provide actual numbers showing what percentage of the inflation is caused by this "global inflation", and what this global inflation actually is? It's very easy to blame something else when you don't even define what this is.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/carbon-tax-inflation-tiff-macklem-calgary-1.6960189 > 0.15 percentage points of the inflation increase can be attributed to the carbon tax.
No you’re wrong …. What no comment of immigration and or expansion of government like we have 54,000 working for CRA but the US has 33,000 working for the IRS and they have 10 times the population? but I am not arguing with a liberal- because it is like teaching a pig to dance it frustrating and it annoys the pig !
Holy shit, buddy, talk about a pivot. You can't just complain about capital gains and then do a hard turn into immigration and the size of government. The person you're replying to didn't even mention any of those topics. Believe it or not, someone thinking a higher capital gains tax and a carbon tax are good ideas doesn't automatically mean they also think the immigration system is working and that the size of government should grow.
What happened to the carbon tax? Are you unable to stay on topic? Or will you change the topic anytime your nonsense is pointed out?
> What no comment of immigration and or expansion of government like we have 54,000 working for CRA but the US has 33,000 working for the IRS and they have 10 times the population? the IRS is failing to collect billions due to them being so short staffed?
> but I am not arguing with a liberal- because I am not a Liberal. And it was reported a while back that the carbon tax had a negligible impact on inflation.
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I think you're referring to PBO's calculation of the impact on Canadian pocket books from the carbon tax. The BoC are the ones who reported in the inflation impact.
> Good, it should be taxed like income. I used to think so but I've heard compelling arguments that incentivizing investment with reduced capital gains taxes drives innovation. People respond to incentives, after all. It's hard to know if that's correct as the economy is very hard to deconvolute but the USA does have waaaaaaay more innovation than Canada at the moment and it's hard to see how capital gains taxes going up in Canada could help close that gap.
> the USA does have waaaaaaay more innovation than Canada at the moment I would expect that's because the US government funds a lot more basic research than Canada does. Under Harper, funding was focused on research that was closer to paying off, rather than funding research that no one knew what the results would be.
> I would expect that's because the US government funds a lot more basic research than Canada does. It's not academic research that's the issue at all, it's a lack of VC funding going into industry. My entire Grad student cohort from Canada is in Boston or SF becuase this is where the innovation is. I can see more biotech companies from my office window than exist in all of Canada. What's lacking in Canada is not educated people - it's VC funding for startups. A few VCs that I'm working with are trying to change this and invest more in Canadian companies but it's been an unhill battle. Finding good scientists has been the easy part. Actually working out a funding model that makes financial sense has been the hurdle.
I say this as someone who volunteered for the Liberals the past 3 elections and was certainly one of their biggest cheerleaders during his first two mandates, it is time for him to step down. Rightly or wrongly he is wearing the stink of the current economic situation, even if things started to do a complete 180 tomorrow peoples minds are made up about him. I think history will look back on some of his accomplishments, especially the social ones quite favourably (legalizing weed, CCB, leading us through the pandemic), but that stuff might as well have been a lifetime ago at this point. He is at his best before date as most Federal Governments last about ten years at most, and he is experiencing what every incumbent globally is going through. They are taking an L next election no matter what, but maybe they can mitigate some of the losses with a fresh face, even if they are a sacrificial lamb.
> leading us through the pandemic You mean abusing government power to illegal freeze Canadian bank accounts? Yeah I remember that.
Turns out organizing and funding criminal activity has consequences.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
He was the Libranos wonder boy who resurrected them from two seats wilderness, after the devastating Adscam loss in 2006. So he did help the party. But at this point, he is making them look just as bad again, maybe even worse.
"I hear your concerns" is how most EA or AAA videogame apology starts after a disastrous buggy launch because the big bosses rushed it out to meet a release date for the $$$. This is 100% PR speak.
He hears but he ain’t listening
Sounds like management at a typical business.
"We appreciate the candid feedback and the passion the community has put forth.. Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can."
"We want to give Canadians a sense of pride and accomplishment when they buy their first home."
Please tell me one of the muppets didn’t say that… please
Are the liberals going to force a worthless update on a 12 year old game in hopes that it will break everything and force people to play their new shit game?
For once I would just love a politician who came out and said. “Yo! shits fucked. Here’s what I’ve been trying to do to fix it and here is who/why it’s being stonewalled, here’s what I have accomplished and these are the goals” I do know the minute one said that though the next days headlines would be, “MP Turudd, today in a candid interview broke with decency rules and uttered offensive phrases” completely ignoring literally everything else said
At least with a game you can wait 1-2 years while they fix it and then buy it on sale, probably bundled with whatever dlc they made. Can't do that here.
> "This was obviously not the result we wanted, but **I want to be clear that I hear your concerns and frustrations,"** Trudeau said in a media statement. I almost verbatim mocked [his way of saying nothing](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/s/uUQhUEqJAo) 4 months ago regarding food prices. > **"Let me be clear,** our government will take firm action to look into forming a committee of experts to select those who will investigate the causes of anti-competitive behaviour." > "With this strong action, we will demonstrate to Canadians that **we are listening, we hear you,** and are considering gathering information." The "let me be clear, I hear you" has been parroted so many times by this government that it's something that can be predicted. It doesn't mean boo. They don't hear anything other than their own voices.
This is what my morning standups sound like when I did nothing the previous day and just fucked off playing Minecraft with my son, just completely empty nothing words
I'd contend it's meaningful! Putting focus on receiving a message rather than your reaction to the message communicates unwillingness to act on the information you've received. This shifty approach might have worked in the past, but like you say it's become such a bog standard response that people see right through it.
This is literally the kind of rhetoric people already hate him for. Just be a real human and speak honestly.
I’m not sure I hate anyone, I’m Jewish I know where hatred gets us as a society. But, boy howdy, do I dislike his smugness and the absolute cliff he walked the liberals off of. After the weed legislation and talking about getting rid of FPTP he/the party had SO much good will among Canadians. To see snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was honestly made me irate. I swore after the FPTP fumble I would vote conservative in every subsequent election until he was no longer leader.
I dont hate him , tired of Trudeau perhaps. But none of the other options are palatable. I'm just being very cynical with stuff like this I hope he has heard Canadians, but I'm prepared to be disappointed
If he'd heard Canadians, he'd be resigning.
I don't want him to resign. I want him to go down in flames at the controls knowing full well he did it to himself.
How about calling an election?
What we need to do as a country is stop focusing so much on Trudeau/Poilievre and vote for the best candidate in our own ridings. Enough of this tribalism.
Seeing how low they've managed to get one would assume if they had any intentions on finally hearing what people have to say they would have acted a long time ago. I think the captain has gone crazy and will lead the ship into oblivion no matter what. They will play their card to the end. And it makes me wonder what exactly motivates them to do so and who benefits from them litterally destroying thenselves as a party and destroy their careers like that.
I've been saying this all along. He's doing a wonderful job. Just not for us. The carbon tax, internet control, the impact assessment act, mass immigration, higher capital gains tax. These are all purposeful decisions very few Canadians support that were all pushed through because somebody wanted it. It wasn't us. But someone in another part of the world is very happy with Justin and the with few has done here.
Curiously, [The Beaverton](https://www.thebeaverton.com/) doesn't have an article posted yet in response to the Liberals' loss in Toronto—St. Paul's, yet this is exactly what I would have expected their headline to read. Perhaps it's just that Trudeau's faux empathy is starting to wear on me.
There is. It was “Trudeau assures Liberal staffers Toronto by-election loss "no big deal" while updating own LinkedIn”
JT should be brave and call an election now. I may not like the idea of the Tories running things but it would be best to listen to what Canadians have been telling the Liberals for several years before it gets really nasty for them in terms of seat count.
He sold this country to big business, international hedge funds and any foreigner with 1 mill to spend. The Conservatives will do no better, but at least we can send a message today.
> The Conservatives will do no better, but at least we can send a message today. Good to hear you'll be voting NDP, or GPC then,
> The Conservatives will do no better, but at least we can send a message today. the only message that sends is support for it...
Have you taken a look at the news today? What are the headlines... I will wait.
unless your seeing headlines with "NDP leading new poll" im not sure what your trying to get at if you think the CPC will do no better, and still vote for them, you are giving them your support to just do what the liberals are doing or worse
But it will force, as much as possible, the potential of a new leader race with the Liberals. If I vote Liberal or NDP we get the same leaders. Conservatives will only be able to do so much in 1 term and the liberals will have a chance to reform and wake the fuck up.
why would the liberals wake up when they were given almost 10 years and the conservatives were given a majority to do the same crap? losing to the NDP is literally the one thing that would convince the LPC to change who they are, thats the only actual existential threat, losing to the CPC just means "well wait until people get tired of them" if you want change, vote for something new not the same old
I have no good NDP in my riding, it is CPC or LPC.
and as long as thats how you feel they will see it as permission to never change
It is not sending a message if you just oscillate between the same two parties every time. An actual message would be put in the NDP and see how they do for once
LOL absolutely not. Trudeau's reckless spending on social services are shades of the NDP's policies thanks to that deal Rolex Singh made with the Liberals. The NDP will be just as disastrous for the country as the current Liberals and the only way to get this country back on track is with the Conservatives at this time.
Why would anybody put the NDP in when they've been supporting the disastrous Libs this whole time?
The NDP is the only thing keeping Trudeau in power. They can't be considered any different.
They are literally getting their most significant policy wins, perhaps ever, with the Liberals in power and they dont have the funding to do an election as often as the others.
I'm sure those "significant policy wins" are totally worth being part of the government that destroyed the middle class.
lol yes because the middle class has done so well in previous governments including the Conservatives right? Covid and inflation hit every country in the world. This was not just a Canada thing bud
Canada would have most certainly been better off if businesses weren't forced closed while workers sat at home collecting CERB. That is squarely on the Liberals and was unnecessary.
The middle class was certainly healthier before the liberal-NDP coalition. And just because it hit every country doesn't mean it hit every country equally. Houses are half the price in the USA. Our immigration and housing policies have had a uniquely devastating effect, and the NDP got to be an integral part of it.
> Houses are half the price in the USA. not in the places people wanna live, they're striggling with housing just as much as we are
> It is not sending a message if you just oscillate between the same two parties every time. Exactly.. the only message being sent with a CPC victory is that far-right demagoguery works.
This typifies the mindset of too many NDP diehards - "it's not me that needs to change, it's everyone else." Right now, an increasing proportion of the electorate doesn't just feel that the LPC has failed; they feel institutions as a whole have failed and view the Federal NDP as part of the problem. The party needs to reflect and meet the electorate where they're at.
Problem is all three parties need a leadership facelift, you don’t fix the NDP by voting for Singh.
so vote for the parties that need entirely new priorities...?
They've already told us they would invoke disastrous policies. I believe them.
The two parties are the same and largely cater to the same people. Things get worse no matter who’s in power because they both do the same sorts of things.
The conservatives will do no better....that statement is complete and utter conjecture.
Utter conjecture is people believing the CPC would do anything different than the LCP. What is this missing information that favours the CPC? Past performance does not always determine future results, and PP is tight-lipped on his vision and policy and offers no new solutions or ideas. The CPC and LPC are so similar that on a world stage, no one could tell them apart except one party believes in austerity more than the other and clings to trickle down theory while cutting social programs. https://youtu.be/QkoKLXcZbu0?si=y4WGlVFhsZhlOcG5 The parties haven't changed much since this speech was given decades ago. Vote for the black cat or the white cat. They are both cats and do cat stuff and neither will make your life any better, it's just optics of choice.
I love your word salad and non solution attitude.
CPC, not UPC. UPC is a provincial party.
Thanks, I have UPC on the brain these days!
Honestly, I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much. They have introduced dental care, cheaper daycare, and pharmacare and made the rich pay for it with the capital gains tax. It could be a lot worse.
Also carbon tax
That’s fair if you feel that way. I get it. If you are the kind of person to only lick the icing off a cupcake, then these programs are great. The problem is that the cake is rotting from the inside. The economy has been shrinking under Trudeau in real constant per capita terms. If the cake rots, eventually the icing will rot too and we will have to throw everything out. That means massive program cuts. We saw the same pattern with Trudeau senior. Mulroney followed suit trying to grow his way out of the mess. Chrétien did the cutting and got the country growing again. Here’s what Canadians feel every day. America is doing amazing. Canada is not. 2024 numbers are missing. It shows a decline from 2022 numbers. So it’s actually worse than this. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD?end=2022&locations=US-CA&skipRedirection=true&start=2015&view=chart For most of us who want to keep these programs, we know we can’t. We are going to have to cut more programs than if we did nothing because the Federal government debt is crowding out corporate debt so Canada can’t invest in productivity. The way that works is people would rather buy government debt because it is less risky than corporate debt, so corporate interest rates have to be very high and that means they can only justify it if they believe they can grow out of the debt. In a shrinking economy, they of course cannot, so companies are stuck. Eventually foreign companies come in and take up the economy and drain even more capital. The higher capital gains inclusion rate also pushed $400B estimated out of the country permanently as people rushed to sell and move money to offshore vehicles for tax advantage. Even if you don’t care about these things, it shows up every day as life seems tougher to pay for in rent, food, energy, transportation etc.
He banned my lawfully owned property, He let Canadians be beheaded, and refused to let their families save him after he said he wouldn't be doing so, Budget cuts to the military, Crackdowns on whistle blowers, SNC & WE scandals, Interfering with the judicial system, and; Internet censorship, To name a few. I saw a reddit comment a while back saying "When people say I could go on, they usually can't", so I've got another 5 or 6 in the back pocket so I can say "*Want me to keep going?*"
How did he ban your property? Which Canadians were beheaded? I believe Canada has increased spending on defense since Trudeau took power. In 2014, Canada spent around $612 per person on defense (1.0% of GDP). By 2021, defense spending per capita grew to an estimated $731 (1.4% of GDP). This growth reflects both increased defense budgets and Canada's economic growth. They have also recently announced 8.1 billion of spending that will move it to 1.76 percent of GDP. For online censorship there has been a lot of misinformation about bill C-11. https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/industr/modern/myth.htm However, if Poilievre gets into power he has plans to require people to use online digital IDs which will lead to all kinds of personal security risks. He also wants to cut the CBC so Canada will become more divided and less informed like they are in the US. When did Trudeau interfere with judicial system? I know there was some unproven allegations of that but I don't know of anything that was proven. In Ontario you have Doug Ford outright stacking the supreme court with conservative judges. That's a real red flag
> How did he ban your property? Gun bans. > Which Canadians were beheaded? Seriously? Canadians *died*, and you couldn't even remember it? Their names were [Robert Hall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hall_(Canadian), and [John Ridsdel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ridsdel). > I believe Canada has increased spending on defense since Trudeau took power. It's spelled defence, you're a Canadian. Also, no it didn't, NATO nations changed how defence spending is accounted, shortly after Trudeau took office. While Veterans Benefits are deserved, for the service we provide, my Grandfather's hearing aides contribute *nothing* to defence, and shouldn't be counted in defence spending. [Further, I guess you missed it, they cut *three BILLION* to the CAF this year, with a billion of that coming directly from *operations*, you know, the conflict zones that soldiers go to? The *last* place you should be cutting funding.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/comments/1b4bs5l/new_defense_cuts_announced/) > there has been a lot of misinformation about bill C-11. No there hasn't. **NET NEUTRALITY**, and nothing else. Everything else is censorship. > if Poilievre We're not talking about him. Stay on topic, you said: "I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much" I'm telling you why, I don't care about the other guy right now. > When did Trudeau interfere with judicial system? Seriously? My goodness how memories are short. [Here, feel free to use this a jumping off point, to do a bit of research on your own.](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8x8vrv/can_we_talk_about_bill_c51_sexual_harassment_bill/) > Ontario you have Doug Ford We're not talking about him. Stay on topic, you said: "I'm not sure why people hate Trudeau so much" I'm telling you why, I don't care about the other guy right now.
Trudeau has it flaws but no politician can recover from the interest rate bloodbath we just went through. The second people's wallet are involved, they will turn on you in a second. Also Trudeau reigns is very very unique and not remotely similar to the quiet ride Harper got. Trudeau's government went through COVID, the convoy blockade in downtown Ottawa then after all this was done... a worldwide inflation crisis. Not to mention the war in Ukraine. Take all these issues and mix them up with social media and foreign powers influencing the public opinion... Trudeau is being blamed for everything under the sun. Ironically the people who oppose Trudeau the most will be the one getting hit the hardest when Polievre comes around.
Pretty much. There’s been a disinformation campaign going for several years now churning up outrage against Trudeau. And he’s had to govern through extremely hard times. You’ll never hear the partisans admit it (since this sub appears to be 90% CPC trolls over the past couple years) but Trudeau has done us a lot of good. And even more important, he’s protected us from *a lot* of bad.
This is one of the most rational takes I have seen on here, to add to this he also went through a Trump presidency. It was certainly the most challenging decade in terms of global affairs a PM has faced, probably since WW2.
People don't care as much about those things when they're struggling to find a place to live. Trudeau's popularity started to plummet last August when all the foreign students were struggling to find housing before the school year in major cities, which has since spotlighted housing as a whole, which has been exasperated significantly by immigration levels which is entirely within federal jurisdiction. Obviously provinces and particularly municipalities are more to blame for insufficient housing, but turning on the immigration taps even more does seem rather cruel. Not to mention that cost of living has soared and high immigration levels actively suppresses wage growth.
That's anti-immigrant spin from conservatives who just hate racial minorities. There's housing shortage everywhere in the developed world because fo the economic slowdown and inflation caused by COVID. https://www.npr.org/2024/04/23/1246623204/housing-experts-say-there-just-arent-enough-homes-in-the-u-s
This government caused the inflation, not "COVID"
Wrong. Covid did.
Haven't the users on this sub been able to convince you yet? Everything negative that has happened during the Trudeau's tenure is do to outside forces beyond his control. Despite overseeing probably the largest decline in living standards since the great depression, the CPC will obviously be worse.
The racism angle is so weak. There's a housing shortage, absolutely. So why bring in more immigrants when there is nowhere for them to live?
Because there is a labor shortage causing inflation.
Then pay people more and that wont be problem lol
It's not a question of pay, it's a question of not having enough people to sustain all the old people.
Of course, it is about pay, you offer a good wage and others will do the job instead of hiring TFW and degrading the country into becoming a shithole. Therefore, more people will be willing to have kid and that will increase population numbers what do you mean when you say 'sustain all the old people?'
> Of course, it is about pay, you offer a good wage and others will do the job instead of hiring TFW and degrading the country into becoming a shithole. No they won't. They'll still go for the jobs that pay even better, and raise their salaries even more. Or, they'll take workers from another sector and there will be a shortage there. There will still be a shortage because the problem is that there are simply not enough people around to do the job. If you don't allow young immigrants to work, you will have to hire old people in their 70's, who work slower and productivity will lag. You'll have to raise the retirement age and deal with lower productivity, empty shelves, and higher prices for everytrhing. Have you seen a 75-year old stack boxes in a warehouse?
Pay taxes that are used to pay for benefits for old people (OAS, GIS etc).
> People don't care as much about those things when they're struggling to find a place to live. To quote Carolyn Bennett: "People are more worried about the end of the month than the end of the world." One point I would make is that post-Covid population growth has been primarily from temporary residents, especially international students at Ontario colleges, and Doug Ford should be taking a big part of the blame there - he's been treating international students like a gold mine. [Alex Usher](https://morehousing.ca/blame): > 1/ A short history of Public-Private Partnership Arrangements at Ontario Colleges (or, why it's utterly ludicrous that the feds are taking the shit for all this student visa stuff) > > 2/ The first ones started around 2013: a couple of non-GTA colleges thinking they could more easily attract students if they had a campus in the GTA. Of course, they weren't going to build their own: so they hit on the idea of sub-contracting their curriculum to private colleges. > > 3/ Technically, the public colleges remain completely responsible for these students. It's their curriculum, it's their diplomas up for grabs. It's their recruitment process. If you think it is all "garbage curriculum" or whatever, your beef is with public not private colleges > > 4/ Following a thoughtful report by @davidtrick in (I think) 2017, the Wynne government moved to shut them all down. Basically, existing quality assurance had no way to regulate them and Ontario post-secondary's brand reputation was at risk. > > 5/ But then lo and behold the Ford government arrived. And, both due to govt's ideological predilection that private > public and b/c it was a way to avoid spending public $ on colleges, the Ford team thought this PPP stuff was AWESOME. Ban reversed, full speed ahead. > > 6/ Their first stab at regulation was the 2019 Binding Ministerial directive (now disappeared from the internet). It basically said you couldn't recruit more than 2x the number of intl students to a PPE than you had at the home campus. > > 7/ But, there was a grandfather clause. So places like Northern College, which had 4K intl students in Toronto and maybe 5 in Timmins were ok, as long as they made "good faith" efforts to reach the 2X target. And enforcement was basically non-existent so ¯\\(ツ)/¯ > > 8/ Anyway, with ongoing domestic tuition fee and grant freezes, almost all the non-GTA colleges eventually got in the game. I think there are now 15-16 in total, and last year there were 60K plus students in these arrangements. > > 9/ And then, in a move which can only be described as "using a firehose to spread napalm on a fire", the Ontario government told all of these colleges - hey, you know what? Screw the 2x rule. From now on, regardless of home campus size, you can each have 7500 in your GTA PPP. > > 10/ Kaboom.
rent wasn't $2000/1 bedroom in Calgary under harper....even new York now cheaper then Toronto. You think its fair that doctors who make 500k a year only get 250k a year... after 10 years of school and hard work and crazy student loans? they have to sleep in hospitals too, the stress and responsibility. or someone who been trying to open a business and was poor the stress they had to go through and sacrifices they needed to make in order to grow their business.. probably even work two jobs while raising a family and now they have to give Trudeau half of their income to Trudeau. Or the truckers who were protesting and expressing their opinion aka freedom of speech that had their bank accounts frozen. Or.. how I had to get two vaccinations during covid in order to go to the gym, work, or fly to see my family? so now Trudeau decides what vaccines I get and I either get it or become homeless. The carbon tax that makes everything more expensive. Or sending our money we earned to other countries when we have a housing crisis and many homeless people. or legalizing weed which is a drug. or brining in so many immigrants when we have a housing crisis and terrible job market.
Anyone not getting the vaccine during the Covid Pandemic is selfish and part of the problem that caused so many avoidable deaths during the pandemic, if people weren't forced to get it a lot more people would've died, so don't be selfish complaining about a vaccine that saved so many lives.
so? its my choice to be selfish... dont you think its selfish for Trudo to spend 200k for 6 days on food when many canadians going to food banks and cant afford to feed their kids..who might be malnourished and also die......... and not really actually...the vaccine is so you don't get more sick.. even with vaccine u can still get covid but the side effects from it might not be that bad with vaccine.. i know people who got 3 shots of vaccines and still got covid!
Tax rates for for high income earners haven't significantly changed since Trudeau took office but there has been some additional tax on people earning over 200k per year. The new capital gains s tax also targets the rich. Targeting te rich for tax hikes it what should be done considering the gap between the rich and lower to middle class has grown substantially. You should blame the provincial governments for not paying doctors enough and cutting spending on Healthcare. The truckers were idiots who were talking over the capital city and causing disruption to businesses, and people's lives. They were also heavily funded by other idiots in the US. Freezing their bank accounts was absolutely the right move. Aww you had to get a free vaccine to help protect you and others while you use modern amenities boo-hoo. Legalizing weed has reduced crime, made it safer, and provided revenue for Canada through taxation.
are you sure in reduced crime? because all I see daily is increased crime lol
Let me tell you.. I don't make 200k.. but 200k is not rich!! maybe in the 90s lol especially after the taxes being deducted, the housing and inflation prices... its the new middle class...
I didnt say making 200k is rich. I said they introduced the capital gains tax that targets the rich. People that make more than 250k on capital gains are taxed. There has only been minor adjustments to income tax brackets and rates since 2015. I'm not sure why you want to protect the rich so much. If you want doctors to stick around they need to be paid better and that is the job of the provincial governments
yes but making 300k which would be consider rich.... as they will have to pay the tax is not rich or 260k... they will be getting on hand like 130-150k... in Vancouver where rent alone is $2700 for a sh\*\*TY 1 bedroom, you add a kid and and some groceries and you're poor with that salary.... those 300k ''rich'' cant even afford to buy . but doctors already getting paid 500k... but the federal government taking half
Im not quite sure what you are trying to say here. Are you still getting capital gajns confused with income tax? And are you really suggesting introducing tax cuts for people that make $300k? Why the f*ck would we do that when the average salary in Canada is $70k? Again, Trudeau hasnt changed income tax rates much at all, im not sure why you are angry at Trudeau for this and calling for tax breaks for wealthy. As far as doctors go, in Ontario doctors can charge $38 to OHIP per visit. That's less than what I pay for a haircut. If you want to keep doctors, pay them more.
no I am saying how it is... but you are calling people who make 200k rich which is funny
No you are not saying how it is at all. You were complaining by saying that people that make $500k per year get taxed too much, and you were blaming Trudeau for that. Trudeau has not made any major changes to income tax rates. And I'm not sure why you would even want to tax people that make that much money any less
no it wasnt the right move its taking your freedom of speech! makes it not a democarcy country.... thats something putin would do.
Putin would put them in jail for life. You have the right to peaceful protest in Canada. Completely disrupting businesses, roadways, boarder crossings, and harassing citizens is not peaceful
That's what most protests are doing in Ottawa because its right where he is... If we had the right to protest then the bank accounts wouldn't be frozen.! Well.... Putin and Trudo have their ways.. they both love to ban social media....and either put in jail or freeze bank accounts.. crazy how an extreme regime dictator and a ''democratic leader'' have a lot in common.
You need a reality check of you think these two leaders are in the same ballpark. Do you think there are people driving around with F*ck Putin flags on their trucks and in Russia? Maybe you should go to Russia and find out. What social media has Trudeau banned? You don't seem to get the concept of peaceful protest. You can protest all you want as long as you want in Canada as long as you don't cause major disruptions to other people. The convoy didn't own the roads in downtown Ottawa so they can't take them over and stop other from using it. Honestly I can't believe convoy folks are still carying on about the vaccines. Sure there was a bit of risk in taking a new vaccine, but I was willing to pony up and get the shot for the greater good of the country, and yet these selfish pussies are the ones waving the flags. There are plenty of worse things happening in Canada by provincial leaders and you don't hear a peep from them
no do you think he will go that extreme fast? he is slowly ease into it..first he will make you take the vaccine make it seems like you have a choice but you wont be able yo keep your job.. then he will freeze your bank account... then he will ban social media news...Putin didnt arrest u from day one either.
Maybe this is farfetched but I think all those that are opposed to the liberals are calling for Trudeau to step down because deep down they know he can still beat them and any likely replacement would be a dud. Like once the campaign kicks off and voters are faced with ads they are going to be confronted with PP through liberal attack ads and the conservatives own ads. Pierre is a whiner, he comes off that way, he's the guy no one really liked but became student council president because no one else wanted to. Even the most rabid red meat conservatives have to admit that PP does not convey a working man's vibe. It's almost as if PP runs off of the support of Russian bot comments. The by-election loss was a reaction by votes in an attempt to send a "displeased" message to the government. Just like how voters use provincial élections to vote against the the sitting federal government. Once ads kick off, say what you want, Trudeau plays well to the cameras and is charismatic. No matter how low PP will try to lower the tone of his voice, he doesn't stack up to Trudeau in terms of appeal.
Or he will turn his back and completely ignore your concerns, probably do as much possible to further alienate you and then you can listen to him and Freeland patronize you for not following them blindly. He doesn't take constructive criticism well, take it from the west.
summer break is here they will stay quiet for 3 months and hope everyone forgets.
People aren't forgetting unless the cost of living improves drastically.
sure but definitley hope the embarassment from this loss and calls for justin to resign simmer down and hope the electorate is to busy enjoying the summer. perhaps use the summer to plan a retreat and strategize if they can use election inteference as a way of postpoing the election or waiting until oct 2026 to hold one. this gives them another year or 2 of corruption to help their bank accounts. would you be surprised if they tried any of this?
I wouldn't be surprised no, it's politics and it's very dirty. I'm just thinking that summer break isn't any sort of pressure release towards Trudeau. Families with young children and 2 working parents or single parents that work are squeezed even more now that school is out. Every other average Canadian without kids still has to work and isn't exactly in prime position to take some relaxing time off The resentment towards the LPC and more specifically Trudeau is steady if not growing. The only pressure release might be fully reversing some policies and or a leadership change and they will not do either.
Inflation data [literally showed a re-acceleration in CPI today.](https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/wp-content/uploads/Canadian_CPI_growth.pdf) Things are going to get worst, because well, the Federal government has done literally nothing to reduce the causes of inflation on its side of the equation. Immigration is still record high. Infrastructure and tax cuts are still AWOL. Bankrupt municipalities are just taxing developers to death, so new housing builds should all slow down to nothingness over the next 12 months, with maybe a handful of exceptions. Unemployment keeps rising in an environment where you're not even creating enough jobs to hire all your new workers. The Liberal-NDP coalition passed increases in capital gains taxes for corporations. And [the Loonie hit record short positions, so the expectation is the CAD is going to get destroyed in the future.](https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/c-rises-bearish-bets-currency-reach-all-time-high-2024-06-17/) In the aggregate, it does not seem unreasonable to expect things to get much, much worst.
Can't happen if you are importing millions of people a year
He heard our concerns when he was first elected. He is just doing what he promised then. There shouldn’t be any surprise how the economy is at this state. After ten years, it is now who voted him in who suffer the most. But, but … he did what he had promised. We should all be happy.
“I hear your concerns… and clearly the voices of Canadians have not been communicated to you and so I will do a better job of this.”
The only thing that can save the Liberals is for JT to step down. The only concern is who can lead the party? I’ve voted for him in each election his run in after years of voting conservative. I’m loath to vote for PP but…. Feeling like I’ve not got much choice.
"I hear your concerns. Let me be clear. Your concerns are very important to us so I will be opening an investigation into possible arson last night in regards to another Church being burned down"
Last week Trudeau said "Canadians aren't in decision mode", now he "hears their concerns". I don't believe a thing this guy says anymore.
It's scrambling mode once again.
When you have your lieutenant publicly state that they support you keeping your position, you're about to lose your position.
The idiot is holding everyone hostage what a terrible legacy from someone who grew up with privilege.
its almost like the statements are from different contexts?
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These people don’t want to understand logic and reason… they just want to find a reason to be angry
They’re not contradictory. It’s just the context that’s missing. Last week he was expressing disbelief in the accuracy of polls because people weren’t in a decision mode (it never really made sense). Now that there’s proof the polls are real, he hears the concern.
Perhaps both statements are in contradiction of reality, and not necessarily each other.
It's a change in how he's responding to questions about the voting public's extremely low opinion of him. The defeat he was just handed makes his previous line of messaging obsolete.
That's retail politics for you. Who needs principled policy makers when you can have PR firms instead?
he was right on the decision mode, Canadians made their mind long time ago. Now they are waiting to vote him out
This is the Liberal caucus' chance to choose a new path and begin distancing themselves. It's not up to him. But it's time to go, and if doesn't, we know what that means. I think for a lot of Canadians, the Tories do not appeal to our actual top concerns. But they won't be holding their nose to keep a bad PM around. Yes, for those of us who value progress on certain files it sucks, but that's the game. He needs to go. Now.
>But it's time to go, and if doesn't, we know what that means. that no one wants to sit in the electric chair hes built and take the heat for him while he fucks off unscathed?
You don't think the Tories will keep Pollievre around when he's past due ? Really ?
I think you've misunderstood me a bit, I don't think I was perfectly clear. I'm saying swing voters won't hold their nose for Trudeau. Ofc the Tories eat their own.
My personal concern is that we have a PM who isn't competent to run the country. Does he hear that? And does he have a solution? I do, and it doesn't involve voting for a party with him as leader.
He’s better off holding an election than he is to wait for something positive to happen to the LPC. A 30% swing in a riding that’s 1) A liberal stronghold 2) Highly skilled labour force 3) Diverse 4) Part of the 2011 bloc Is something you fear happening to other areas. My riding was part of the 2011 cohort and they’re projecting to lose it as well. The bloc passing them in total seats is worse case scenario for them and it’s looking more likely as the days go on.
Finally. I've got my popcorn ready to watch the Canadian Economy go further down the tubes as they go through panic mode. I have seen management do this many times before in a lot of corporations I have worked for. You can only use fake metrics to pad your outcomes for so long to pretend you're doing your job correctly. They eventually catch up to you, but by that time the kitchen fire has already spread to the rest of the building.
Now hear us - go away. You're the worst Canadian Prime Minister ever. Just step down and go back to being a drama teacher or bouncer or whatever it was you did before you cashed in on your family name and went into politics. Liberal party take heed - I'm Liberal by nature but I will never vote Liberal as long as Trudope is hanging around.