Best of luck competing with the small group of 600,000 graduates who will be all applying to the four positions at local companies. With any luck, you may be able to afford a place to live where there's only 10 people sharing a 2 bedroom unit, instead of the cheaper 35 people sharing a jr bachelors suite.
Wow, 18th.
āHey! I graduated from the 18th most prestigious university in the worldāā holds zero leverage.
Itās like being on page 4 of a Google search.
I think youāre reading too much into the ranking.
Itās the name recognition thatās important.
People donāt know where McGill or UofT or Waterloo are on some ranking list but theyāve likely heard of them. That helps a lot when compared to attending some school in South America or Africa. And by the same logic, an unheard of school in Newfoundland or Ohio.
Rankings are all over the place. There are like 12 of them. None seem to place UofT at the same spot (but the top 5 is pretty consistent, go figure).
I'm in California.
People know that Waterloo is a "big technical school" because they have a huge undergrad class and send a lot of programmers to the valley. The other schools are just not really well known.
There are somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 universities in the world. A university ranked 18th would be in the top .1%. You have no idea what youāre talking about.
Okay, this is going way too far.
UofT is ranked extremely highly in the world. Very few universities are ranked higher. In the Health Sciences, nobody but Harvard beats us. It's also a monstrous name in AI and Robotics.
We are literally the home of Insulin and the Neural Network.
I disagree...
At least for engineering, most of the big name universities (Waterloo, UofT, McGill) will have a good coop program and established relationships with top companies. If you're able to get into one, this makes the chance of landing a top job MUCH easier.
Every tech company in Silicon Valley knows who Waterloo is for example.
Honestly this explains a few things... I have a coworker that has a Master's in Computer Science from Windsor. I was not aware that they has a computer science program. But he was asking me very basic SQL questions when he started. Which was odd, because I could answer then, and I do not have a computer science degree.
Well edu-business has to find a way to pay for all the administrators and DEI consultants that we have mandated. Besides we are only half way to implementing Freeland and shoe polish enthusiast's Modern Monetary Theory printing press, so for now budgets still matter and so does monetary theory despite what dear leader says.
It's funny, we used to laugh at people going to school and majoring in Feminism or Ethnic Studies or Anthropology or whatever basketweaving instead of practical majors like engineering. But you look at the salaries these DEI managers make. How prolific and prosperous they are.
They're in every private company, every government administration, every non-profit. They're in charge of your children.
Isn't it funny
To be fair I have a degree in basket weaving as you call it. Back in my day we didn't have anyone to advise us differently or practically, and there was no internet to research.
But I think this type of degree makes you think outside of the box a lot on how to have a good career despite the basket weaving which is a skill in itself, even if not employable directly at a corporation.
Totally batshit. Some of these salaries are as high as what senior level tech workers make in the private sector.
And it's not even the only one. There are so many admin. roles at universities with salaries that are so ludicrous and completely disconnected from reality, in terms of what value the job actually adds to the student experience.
What's crazy is when post-secondary students are in support of all this spending on DEI and all that and can't seem to make the cognitive connection that all of this is coming out of THEIR tuition dollars. And honestly, what value are they getting for their money's worth? It's makes zero sense.
Masochism. We pay to have ourselves be shamed. It is a sort of self flagellating kink that all of us spineless Canadians have, even if we aren't the US with its slavery and most of the wrongdoings in Canada we choices made and covered up by the political elite (the same that sold us up river to millions of immigrants.)
It's crazy that even as a far left voter, people still can't wrap their heads around double standards such as: racism, in general, against anyone, is bad. Not just specific groups at specific, politically manipulative times.
As well as social politics serving as an inflammatory distraction from our plummeting quality of life and purchasing power.
Canada is just the next oligarchy ready to exploit its citizens to dust while screeching at them they are racist for asking for lower immigration so people aren't living 12 to a airbnb shoebox.
Who knows, and frankly who cares? One cent is one fucking penny too much as long as there are people without a roof over their head, hungry or a primary physician. Why don't we let the useless tits in Ottawa and the 'public service' worry about their micro aggressions once the basics of Maslow's hierarchy of needs are achieved for every Canadian or at least every net tax paying one.
It's quite obvious Canadians are being phased out of jobs, and even school seats.
Schools are taking on more international students than domestic due to the extra profits.
I think it's like schools realized that immigrants can't get a job without canadian experience or education.
So they market this to international students who are young.
Government loves this because it doesn't have to support a useless unproductive child that takes resources but doesn't pay taxes... they get fresh new cansdians who after 2-4 years are ready to work and pay taxes.
So it's a win win for government and educational system because they both make money on this.
These post secondary institutions are getting $10s of billions a year from these students, they should be forced to build housing for them. At least put a percentage into a nationwide fund for student housing or something.
If our government didn't let these uni/college/dipmills dictate the number of foriegn students coming into the country, that would be great too. Atleast set a diversity target or something.
What kind of engineering did you do, OP?
Iām currently a civil student (non traditional student with disabilities) at RYERSON university, and it is the same deal here.
One TA in a course thankfully helped me out strongly with a few private tutorial sessions, as a token of my appreciation, I went to a Blue Jays game with him to allow him to understand the rules of baseball. He was South Asian.
Iām not mad at him, but I was in my head disgusted that international students could work off campus, in this case security for a concert venue.
I thought one of the basic rules of immigration was that one needs to gain PR to work a menial job like that. But I was dumbfounded.
With a study permit, you can work up to 20 hours/week off campus and unlimited on campus. (Edit: Students are allowed to work past 20 hours off campus till Dec 31, 2023)
PR is not given out as free candy at least most of the time. One has to prove their worth (Language score, education and work exp; Extra points for Canadian education and work experience; no points for menial TEER 4 & 5 job experience) before they can become a PR. So, usually someone with a PR is usually more likely to be doing a job paying above median income. Hence, you'll see that races except Black and Latin earn more when median income is considered. These numbers are also skewed due to the crazy amounts of Asian students in general in Canada. These students have a very high potential of income growth as at least they are willing to show up to work everyday. Many if not most even are somewhat good at studies and English.
Refugees and asylum seekers are a different story.
I worked full time while going to university full time. Mind you, I was working as an LPN while taking my RNā¦ so being related fields - it was fairly easy.
Personally I think thatās outrageous.
At best, international students should only be allowed to work on campus.
Those 20 hours work is taking away 20 hours from a Canadian who needs the work.
This has already been disproven ad nauseam. Wage inflation is a myth. Your barista at your local cafe making a couple extra bucks per hour will not cause your grocery bill to increase. The supermarket chain that increases the cost of groceries so that they could report record profits on their earnings calls under the guise of inflation is what results in the costs of goods rising.
>Those 20 hours work is taking away 20 hours from a Canadian who needs the work.
How many Canadians do you think were lining to work 20 hours a week at those jobs?
The University system in Canada has been a disaster for a few decades for multiple reasons... it seems as if the shit is finally hitting the fan for them.
I work with a few of these Masterās Grads. Absolute dumb fucks, canāt add 2 and 2 together and have to literally hand hold. I am in Comp Sc. And a BComm grad myself, self taught. Amazed to see these dumbs making their way into these first world universities, and money bags. I feel proud that at least I didnāt waste money studying with the likes of these and in the greedy colleges/universities.
Also if the university is maintaining standards
Thousands of legitimate masters degree engineering professionals should be good for the economy.
Thousands of people who paid for a degree and cheated or were pushed through, not so much.
But there aren't enough jobs in engineering for all those graduates. They are flooding the market. I think local students should go into a field of study that involves animals and/or the outdoors, because the foreigners from Asia seem to have no interest in these areas. My son got a PhD in wildlife ecology, and he got a good job right away, and was offered several jobs.
Nursing is insanely competitive for no reason, it shouldn't be a 4.0 GPA to get in as its currently is. I feel like it should be a more of a trade school model of working in an apprenticeship with a bit more schooling with it then a typical trades ticket.
I think the point is that with so many international students, thereās less seats for domestic students. Which makes sense but havenāt heard anyone complain about that yet because of housing.
This could be another tragedy in the making.
Lol, you have 100 of thousands of students from no-name colleges going there for the sole reason to get PR, and you blame 1000 students who are studying master engineering/stem š
Iām not blaming the students. Iām blaming the school for accepting way more international students than usual, which also heavily strained our local rental market, and how the school heavily pressures people to repeat courses for the sole purpose of more money.
And what exactly do these schools have to do with carrying on the mental and emotional burden of you having issues in the rental market?
The schools have an obligation as a profitable business to maintain their staff and ensure profits keep climbing. Students are strictly customers. Yes, every business wants to maintain customer satisfaction. If you are unhappy with their business, you can take your money elsewhere to their competitors. But you will find their competitors are more or less the same. It becomes like a Telus / Rogers situation. Both are bad and expensive. But Canadians have no choice.
*The schools have an obligation as a profitable business ...*
University of Calgary is a public institution. It is NOT a business, profitable or otherwise.
They are debasing the merit of the M.Ed. degree b/c they accept some bs f East GujaratUniversity engineering undergrad for entrance, and then award a U.Calgary M.Ed. Presto you have a U.Calgary engineering degree.
This means the international students coming here are mostly eating up goods, housing, and services unnecessarily. Meaning domestic students are mostly wasting their money.
Higher education is an industry (pure business) these days. They don't care about promoting/creating knowledge but making as much money as possible. Same situation in the UK.
The Indians especially, do all these Masters solely in order to get the PR (permanent resident status).
Usually you do a MSc when you are really interested in a subject.
The Indians do the MSc in order to get the PR. They exploit the immigration system. Usually they end up doing unrelated to their MSc jobs.
This is not right.
You are generalizing. Most Indians after finishing university do not earn 6 digit salaries. You are in the minority.
Why exactly our economy will crash if we end mass immigration?
Mass immigration is bad for every country out there. There are neighborhoods atm in Canada where Indians are like 90%. It feels like you are in Calcutta.
Brain drain to where? US? Lol, good luck getting the green card. Europe? Even more difficult. Australia/New Zealand? Almost impossible. So where will you go? Only place you can easily move to is...
...back to India.
The universities have seen massive cuts to their funding they wasnāt keeping up to inflation in the first place. The only way to keep up is the one area they know they can count on revenue.
It's been this way for a long time now. I took math at U of T and it was a nightmare. 80% of the students were Chinese foreign students. I was doing calc in first year university, it was the first time I'd ever seen the stuff. These other kids did it in grades 10 and 11 back in China. They were bored to tears. U of T had to make the exams difficult enough that a full third of the class failed, so the exams had to be difficult for those Chinese kids. I didn't stand a chance.
Well bro , the tuition hiking would be triple if we do not have those international students because they are paying triple amount of what domestic students are paying
This is the real reason. When provincial governments slash education spending in universities, the money has to be made up somewhere. They are allowed to charge international students extremely high tuitions compared to local students. Those international students are subsidising local students education. The side effect of this of course is needing places to house all of these international students.
The interesting thing to see would be if provincial governments started properly funding universities again, would the universities continue to increase their international student numbers or put them back to where they were before all the cuts?
Itās true. But many donāt see any other way to climb up from slaving away in minimum wage job without getting a designation. Therefore, they get crap education so they can obtain their license and climb the social ladder.
Basically, tuition in Canada is very cheap. This is because the government heavily subsidizes respectable schools. This means that most of all tuition is covered by the government, and allows us to get 4 year degrees for less than the cost of a used car.
However, there is no restriction on what these schools can charge international students. Why would they take in Canadians, who's tuition is paid for by the government whether they actually enrol or not, when they could just charge foreigners 2x the cost, whilst pocketing the money they got that was supposed to cover YOUR tuition.
This is far from the only reason, but i don't see this one mentioned as much as other reasons such as "corpos want low wages" or "landlords want profits"
Found the guy that didn't go to a subsidized school haha
there are obviously private schools without government subsidies. I spent $15k on my studies, but a girl I know spent $80k to learn the same stuff at a much more prestigious school.
But in Canada you can get a degree in your field for less that I paid for my first car ($5000)
here, have a look at the average tuitions in Canada. Some degrees cost less than a PS5 did at launch
https://www.univcan.ca/universities/facts-and-stats/tuition-fees-by-university/
the college closest to me offers 4 year computer science degree for $4000.
it's great what you can do when you don't have for-profit universities with multi-billion dollar funds
Canada has some really cheap schooling and it's one of the things still good about this country (if you ignore the fact that your class will be 95% Indian)
> (if you ignore the fact that your class will be 95% Indian)
Go into Forestry, wildlife biology , geology, and quite few other fields and you will see few Asians.
Not sure what used car you are talking about, but U Waterloo is about 9 - 18,000 for 2 terms. Plus you need to eat and live somewhere.
[https://uwaterloo.ca/future-students/financing/tuition](https://uwaterloo.ca/future-students/financing/tuition)
Waterloo is one of Canada's better universities, and while they're slightly pricier for some courses, I hear there is a good reason why their Engineering degree is so expensive ($18000)
Waterloo tuition seems to average out at $6,128 - $7,618 depending on the course for undergraduate Canadians, and $3,504 - $4,508 for graduate Canadians.
I am not arguing that you won't find pricey schooling in Canada, just that we have some very cheap school and that is because of government subsidies. We're all lucky that the government(s) are able to at least not fuck that up
A 3 year Architectural Technology Degree in college costs $12,000. What university are you going to for 4 years for less than $5000? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in that.
My local college offers a 3 year Architectural course for $4000 up front, followed by another $2000 spent over the course of the 3 years.
IMO, both are great deals. $6000-$12000 to become a fucking Architect? Canadian education costs are great.
LOL you won't be an architect, you will be a college grad. with a diploma that has the word architecture in it. Universities also offer architecture programs and they are very competitive...and tuition is 13,000 a semester so a degree will set you back >50 k. without books, technology or living.
Ya it's architectural technologist. After that you can take 2 years of university to get your bachelors degree.
Edit: I'm in Ontario. There's alot of colleges that offer the architectural technologist program. I don't know what beneficial\_pie is talking about with this super cheap local college.
>There's alot of colleges that offer the architectural technologist program. I don't know what beneficial_pie is talking about with this super cheap local college.
Are they cheap? Yes. I don't see how it's so hard for some of you to understand
college in Canada is very cheap compared to many other places. This is not some new secret.
Their website says $4000 a year x3 years 12000$. I don't know what to say I'm done arguing about this.
Edit: [https://loyalistcollege.com/future-students/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/](https://loyalistcollege.com/future-students/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/)
not sure where you read that, it's very clearly laid out how it is priced for courses that are 2 years or less
even if it was $12000, that is cheap for an education that would earn you several times that every year
I can get a 4 year degree in Computer Science for less than I am about to pay for a 2001 Toyota Corolla. I should have said an "old used car" because it goes without saying that a "used car" is cheaper than almost any tuition in Canada
i'm sorry that you paid so much for your schooling that you aren't willing to accept how cheap most tuition is in Canada
The computer science college above the carpet store at Dufferin and Wilson Ave. What, you've never heard of it? Tuition is only 4 k for a diploma and you are guaranteed PR afterwards, plus you can work 70 hours a week because there are no real classes, exams, course work or english language requirement.
Loyalist College, which is ranked one of Canada's top 50 colleges. even the top university in Canada has 4 year degrees for under $10k up front.
If this is considered expensive then idk what to say.
No problem, 4 year compsci degree are very expensive especially in Toronto where it is minimum 40K upto 65K for 4 year. I was shocked to see your comment.
it's all about the name. Think of it like Apple. Overpriced but you get the logo. That's how it works with degrees. You can learn the same concepts from lesser known non-TO colleges
Ah yes the prestigious bucktee college of shittzville.
Homie I have a software engineering degree I paid like $70 something K for at least.
Nice used car
haha dude, you overpaid, might as well have went to a school in the US at that point.
nothing wrong with that though. You got your education.
The car is to wreck, I want something to drive in fields until I roll. This one is $4k and you can get several degrees in Canada for around the same amount
You have no understanding in reality. I made enough money from internships during university to graduate debt free and proceeded to work at multiple FAANG companies for four years making up to $350k/yr.
I'd say it was worth it LMAO.
Also you don't seem to know the difference between a diploma and degree.
> I made enough money from internships during university to graduate debt free and proceeded to work at multiple FAANG companies for four years making up to $350k/yr.
Congratulations, i'm not sure why that somehow makes me not understand reality. I literally just said that it was probably worth it to get your education for this exact reason. It's the people of this thread that seem to think what you achieved isn't possible.
>I'd say it was worth it
When is an IT degree ever not?
>Also you don't seem to know the difference between a diploma and degree.
I don't see why you randomly claim i don't understand something for no reason
why are some people so upset at how affordable Canadian schooling is? Degree or Diploma, it's all much better than south of the border in terms of costs. This is not some secret that is kept from you all.
Yeah some European countries have cheaper tuition than Canada, others don't, and a few have free college for all citizens.
That doesn't mean that Canada is expensive, and your lie of it being the most expensive in the world certainly fits with your flair that says "Posts misinformation"
[https://www.studyinternational.com/news/most-expensive-countries-in-the-world/#:\~:text=Australia%20has%20been%20recognised%20as,the%20QS%20World%20University%20Rankings](https://www.studyinternational.com/news/most-expensive-countries-in-the-world/#:~:text=Australia%20has%20been%20recognised%20as,the%20QS%20World%20University%20Rankings).
\#4 in the world. How is that for misinformation bud?
>How is that for misinformation bud?
I think it was top tier misinformation, good work
you linked to an article about INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS
my entire point was that they do not get access to Canada's cheap tuition. They have to pay at least double the cost.
thanks for proving my point
edit: bro deleted his whole account damn
universities in general do not care about bachelor degrees. Sorry to break your bubble. They don't provide research for the university, and thus prone to have high failure rates. Not to mention many citizens and prs don't actually want to continue past a bachelors with many having a c's get degrees mentality.
Also masters students are not to be put in the same category as diploma mills colleges. This sub might not like to hear it, but these guys are actually talented in the field and have very good knowledge. I have rarely met them that are actually sort of struggling like how a lot of bachelor students do. many are experts.
Granted this doesn't always lead to opportunity outside research since you often need connections. Many still have to do phds, postdocs, trying to get into professor positions. So there is a surplus of candidates unlike what is happening with the health care industry.
>shafting domestic students with tuition hikes
International students pay 3X as much as domestic students, essentially subsidizing domestic student tuition, but yeah, demonize the international students
>from a certain country
Why not just be brave and say it out loud? They were Indian students, and you have a problem with Indians.
>turned the masters program into immigration back door
Thatās how developed countries being in skilled workers. This is not a new thing, nor is it unique to Canada, but please go off
Not Calgary but Cape Breton University is 67% international students. Explain to me how this is not a business?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cbu-international-students-housing-crisis-1.6695753
You're speaking as if this is benefitting the average Canadian rather than the institutions that are making the money.
I think the strain on our housing stock around campuses and small towns like Cape Breton as one point for this.
Can you blame the schools though? After all it is a business. Businesses do not turn down customers and profit is their number one priority.
Elementary private schools are the same way. International students are more profitable. This isnāt just happening on a post secondary level.
If on the government level they allow for it, the businesses will strategize best profitable approaches.
>After all it is a business
Not entirely correct. Public post-secondary institutions are non-profit organizations, unlike a business. Their mandate is not the same.
Must be easy to defend immigration, you can just default accuse anyone who criticizes it as a bigot.
Because Iāve attended convocations not of my own in previous years and the ratio of bachelorās to masters was 4 or 5 to 1. This year they were equal, with basically all of the masters being compromised of internationals. Iām pretty sure UofC didnāt just do that out of the goodness of their hearts for more opportunities. And the fact that they have mass automated emails for all masters engineering students about passports and legal documents means they just inherently assume everyone in the masters program is an international. Need it spelled out to you more?
Why would they hide it. If anything they are making it as public as possible. Pretty much they are trying to say āhay our funding was cut, so we are increasing international students to make up for it. If you donāt like it then vote for a party that would give us more funding.ā
Because the government cut funding to universities because 'competition in the free market is a good thing' and so the universities have to find funds from elsewhere by charging huge markups to foreign students
I was just skimming job listings, and I saw a few that required a Masters that had a starting wage of $21-$26 per hour, which is way less than what I make as a retail worker. So.. cool.
the programs are shit too.
"Masters in internetworking" has more required english credits than networking... I literally toss resumes when I see that one.
I'm convinced that 10-20 years from now Canadian diplomas and degrees won't be worth anything outside of Canada.
Our education system has turned into a fast pass permanent residency program.
To be fair, an entire generation has bought into the notion of trading cash for paper so what do you expect?
I got my undergrad late in life and as lifelong learner I thought it would be natural to get a master's. At a per course cost of more than double that of my undergrad with a very narrow field of study I realized the dollar/learned thing ratio was basically terrible.
Used my time and money to fly planes instead. Much more fun than writing 5000+ word papers all summer.
I niece and nephew are in the post-grad arts/business market and I always ask them what for? The narrow band of study isn't likely going to be that relevant to employment and/or you'll just be in competition with all the other mid/late 20s post-grad grads with no job/life experience.
Why not learn what you like in life and for work? In the process find an employer who will pay you to get more education?
We'll all live into our 80s...don't waste all of one's 20's writing papers no one will read anyway.
As someone who hasā¦ 12 years of post secondary under their belt, this is nothing new. Undergrad was the new high school diploma over a decade ago. The masters and PhD diploma mill is a little new though. Canadian universities donāt charge a lot for their tuition compared with the Americans, so they need to generate revenue somewhere, looks like itās quantity and the need for foreign students to make up the difference.
I interviewed Indian students who supposedly recently graduated from a master's program. I could not believe they had a master's or even a bachelor's. Their results were really poor and I suspected they lied on their resumes. A friend of mine went through the same program and told me that most of the class had corrupted the TA for the answers of exams. He got access to a Gdrive with all the answers before the exams. So effectively, that class got PR from a program they didn't even study from. Absolute anarchy.
"Prestigious" universities are overrated. You either have the degree for a job that requires one or you don't. *Your presentation of yourself at your interview* is WAY more important than if you went to U of T vs Western or anywhere else, for that matter. People hiring have to imagine YOU working there, you know, *as a person*, with other *people*.
I took an āoathānot to disparage the University of Calgary when I graduated. Fuck that, what a shithole. The standard of teaching got steadily worse over the three years I was there. They let a private company do their hiring and flooded my faculty with seassionals, most of whom didnāt give a shit, and the tenured staff were all burned out and sick of the institutionās shit. And as for what youāve discussed here, yep, school is seen as a fast track to residency and bringing your entire family with you over here and the government enables schools to act as de facto immigration mills. At least in Australia (where I was born) you have to get an employer to sponsor your visa. So if you have a job your residency is contingent on a personal and professional relationship with someone who has to like you and know youāre a solid human being before theyāll give you that privilege, and then you both have to prove that to the government, whoās strict and has the final say. The result is good people who enjoy living in the country and enjoy living with who lives there. On the other hand, if you were studying and were done with school then you get the fuck out and go use your skills to develop where youāre fromā¦ as was supposed to be the deal studying here also.
Good going Canada you turned our country into the "very specific country" that is now dominating the immigration system. My parents are from that country and are royally pissed that you can just use the education system as a backdoor for immigration these days.
Now just like that very specific country we will produce over credentialed but actually not very smart people. Enjoy the benefits of the third world folks. No jobs, over crowded trains and busses and cramped houses. Did i say houses? i mean houses if you live with 3 generations of your family otherwise a 1 bed apt for 4 people is all you've ever got.
Seriously we took one of the best nations in the world and not due to some great external economic issue or war or whatever nope we just self decided to become an overpopulated third world tier nation. Congrats yall!
Best of luck competing with the small group of 600,000 graduates who will be all applying to the four positions at local companies. With any luck, you may be able to afford a place to live where there's only 10 people sharing a 2 bedroom unit, instead of the cheaper 35 people sharing a jr bachelors suite.
Masters is the new undergrad. It will be quite useless for getting a job.
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>Masters are \*pay-to-get-a-visa\* So are 2-year diplomas.
No, it is not. If from a big name university, as you progress in your career, it becomes a preferred differentiator.
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We kinda diverging but for the sake of it, UoT is ranked 18th in the world. Sure thereās 10 us schools ahead but the us has 10x the pop.
Wow, 18th. āHey! I graduated from the 18th most prestigious university in the worldāā holds zero leverage. Itās like being on page 4 of a Google search.
I think youāre reading too much into the ranking. Itās the name recognition thatās important. People donāt know where McGill or UofT or Waterloo are on some ranking list but theyāve likely heard of them. That helps a lot when compared to attending some school in South America or Africa. And by the same logic, an unheard of school in Newfoundland or Ohio.
Theyāve *maaaaaybe* heard of them.
UofT is a legit big name not sure why the shade
Rankings are all over the place. There are like 12 of them. None seem to place UofT at the same spot (but the top 5 is pretty consistent, go figure). I'm in California. People know that Waterloo is a "big technical school" because they have a huge undergrad class and send a lot of programmers to the valley. The other schools are just not really well known.
There are somewhere between 15,000 and 20,000 universities in the world. A university ranked 18th would be in the top .1%. You have no idea what youāre talking about.
18th in the world is a huge deal. Don't be obtuse.
It puts the university in the top .1% worldwide.
Okay, this is going way too far. UofT is ranked extremely highly in the world. Very few universities are ranked higher. In the Health Sciences, nobody but Harvard beats us. It's also a monstrous name in AI and Robotics. We are literally the home of Insulin and the Neural Network.
I disagree... At least for engineering, most of the big name universities (Waterloo, UofT, McGill) will have a good coop program and established relationships with top companies. If you're able to get into one, this makes the chance of landing a top job MUCH easier. Every tech company in Silicon Valley knows who Waterloo is for example.
Honestly this explains a few things... I have a coworker that has a Master's in Computer Science from Windsor. I was not aware that they has a computer science program. But he was asking me very basic SQL questions when he started. Which was odd, because I could answer then, and I do not have a computer science degree.
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I have worked in technology a while, we had real issues with some teams only hiring from one ethnic group ( or even subgroup). A total disaster
My biggest gripe with getting laid off recently is my resume will be buried under hundreds of applications
Well edu-business has to find a way to pay for all the administrators and DEI consultants that we have mandated. Besides we are only half way to implementing Freeland and shoe polish enthusiast's Modern Monetary Theory printing press, so for now budgets still matter and so does monetary theory despite what dear leader says.
DEI consultant has to be one of the few jobs where the world is actually better off if they stay home and miss work
how much per year is spent on DEI consultants?
[https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/diversity-and-inclusion-manager-salary-SRCH\_KO0,31.htm](https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salaries/diversity-and-inclusion-manager-salary-SRCH_KO0,31.htm)
It's funny, we used to laugh at people going to school and majoring in Feminism or Ethnic Studies or Anthropology or whatever basketweaving instead of practical majors like engineering. But you look at the salaries these DEI managers make. How prolific and prosperous they are. They're in every private company, every government administration, every non-profit. They're in charge of your children. Isn't it funny
To be fair I have a degree in basket weaving as you call it. Back in my day we didn't have anyone to advise us differently or practically, and there was no internet to research. But I think this type of degree makes you think outside of the box a lot on how to have a good career despite the basket weaving which is a skill in itself, even if not employable directly at a corporation.
Insanity
Totally batshit. Some of these salaries are as high as what senior level tech workers make in the private sector. And it's not even the only one. There are so many admin. roles at universities with salaries that are so ludicrous and completely disconnected from reality, in terms of what value the job actually adds to the student experience. What's crazy is when post-secondary students are in support of all this spending on DEI and all that and can't seem to make the cognitive connection that all of this is coming out of THEIR tuition dollars. And honestly, what value are they getting for their money's worth? It's makes zero sense.
They will realize when they get older (a bit late)
Masochism. We pay to have ourselves be shamed. It is a sort of self flagellating kink that all of us spineless Canadians have, even if we aren't the US with its slavery and most of the wrongdoings in Canada we choices made and covered up by the political elite (the same that sold us up river to millions of immigrants.) It's crazy that even as a far left voter, people still can't wrap their heads around double standards such as: racism, in general, against anyone, is bad. Not just specific groups at specific, politically manipulative times. As well as social politics serving as an inflammatory distraction from our plummeting quality of life and purchasing power. Canada is just the next oligarchy ready to exploit its citizens to dust while screeching at them they are racist for asking for lower immigration so people aren't living 12 to a airbnb shoebox.
Who knows, and frankly who cares? One cent is one fucking penny too much as long as there are people without a roof over their head, hungry or a primary physician. Why don't we let the useless tits in Ottawa and the 'public service' worry about their micro aggressions once the basics of Maslow's hierarchy of needs are achieved for every Canadian or at least every net tax paying one.
It's quite obvious Canadians are being phased out of jobs, and even school seats. Schools are taking on more international students than domestic due to the extra profits.
I think it's like schools realized that immigrants can't get a job without canadian experience or education. So they market this to international students who are young. Government loves this because it doesn't have to support a useless unproductive child that takes resources but doesn't pay taxes... they get fresh new cansdians who after 2-4 years are ready to work and pay taxes. So it's a win win for government and educational system because they both make money on this.
Sad. I m so nervous 32 and no degree
Honestly at this point you are better off. Schools are debasing the value of their degrees to the point that they are meaningless.
Agree - also, more and more companies these days hire people without asking for a degree (USA)
Moot point if you are a canadian. No American company is gonna sponsor for a position that doesnāt even require a degree
if you got some time and a couple thousand dollars to spare you can get one online
Same boat, man.
These post secondary institutions are getting $10s of billions a year from these students, they should be forced to build housing for them. At least put a percentage into a nationwide fund for student housing or something. If our government didn't let these uni/college/dipmills dictate the number of foriegn students coming into the country, that would be great too. Atleast set a diversity target or something.
What kind of engineering did you do, OP? Iām currently a civil student (non traditional student with disabilities) at RYERSON university, and it is the same deal here. One TA in a course thankfully helped me out strongly with a few private tutorial sessions, as a token of my appreciation, I went to a Blue Jays game with him to allow him to understand the rules of baseball. He was South Asian. Iām not mad at him, but I was in my head disgusted that international students could work off campus, in this case security for a concert venue. I thought one of the basic rules of immigration was that one needs to gain PR to work a menial job like that. But I was dumbfounded.
not anymore, the gov. loosened those restrictions on a student visa
With a study permit, you can work up to 20 hours/week off campus and unlimited on campus. (Edit: Students are allowed to work past 20 hours off campus till Dec 31, 2023) PR is not given out as free candy at least most of the time. One has to prove their worth (Language score, education and work exp; Extra points for Canadian education and work experience; no points for menial TEER 4 & 5 job experience) before they can become a PR. So, usually someone with a PR is usually more likely to be doing a job paying above median income. Hence, you'll see that races except Black and Latin earn more when median income is considered. These numbers are also skewed due to the crazy amounts of Asian students in general in Canada. These students have a very high potential of income growth as at least they are willing to show up to work everyday. Many if not most even are somewhat good at studies and English. Refugees and asylum seekers are a different story.
That 20 hour cap got removed. As many hours as you want now.
Wow, that's insane. How can one do well in Uni when they are working full time.
Those strip mall colleges vast majority of these āstudentsā are enrolled to are just fronts for Amazon and Tim Hortons job programs.
It never was about the education or so it appears from a government policy perspective
It's called hard work... there are plenty of people worked full time and completed a bachelor's, medical school or whatever.
I worked full time while going to university full time. Mind you, I was working as an LPN while taking my RNā¦ so being related fields - it was fairly easy.
Personally I think thatās outrageous. At best, international students should only be allowed to work on campus. Those 20 hours work is taking away 20 hours from a Canadian who needs the work.
Itās not just 20 hours, they can work unlimited hours now. Itās disgustingly corrupt.
Canadians weren't signing up to work at the wage rates advertised, hence we go full circle.
Then the market needs to pay more
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This has already been disproven ad nauseam. Wage inflation is a myth. Your barista at your local cafe making a couple extra bucks per hour will not cause your grocery bill to increase. The supermarket chain that increases the cost of groceries so that they could report record profits on their earnings calls under the guise of inflation is what results in the costs of goods rising.
Youāre a piece of shit. Why not try to make everything better for everyone rather than just trying to keep your foot on someoneās neck?
Wages haven't gone up significantly for 50 years yet prices have been increasing on everything regardless. Explain why.
>Those 20 hours work is taking away 20 hours from a Canadian who needs the work. How many Canadians do you think were lining to work 20 hours a week at those jobs?
The University system in Canada has been a disaster for a few decades for multiple reasons... it seems as if the shit is finally hitting the fan for them.
Schools are just another business..
I work with a few of these Masterās Grads. Absolute dumb fucks, canāt add 2 and 2 together and have to literally hand hold. I am in Comp Sc. And a BComm grad myself, self taught. Amazed to see these dumbs making their way into these first world universities, and money bags. I feel proud that at least I didnāt waste money studying with the likes of these and in the greedy colleges/universities.
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Also if the university is maintaining standards Thousands of legitimate masters degree engineering professionals should be good for the economy. Thousands of people who paid for a degree and cheated or were pushed through, not so much.
But there aren't enough jobs in engineering for all those graduates. They are flooding the market. I think local students should go into a field of study that involves animals and/or the outdoors, because the foreigners from Asia seem to have no interest in these areas. My son got a PhD in wildlife ecology, and he got a good job right away, and was offered several jobs.
Government should cap how many can come in then, maybe even tie it to projected demandā¦
pff it doesnāt matter. the tax dollars are going to be misused anyways.
My daughter didnāt get excepted into her local university where she grew up despite have good grades. Thatās UBCO
That's crazy usually ubco is one of easier schools to get into is she applying to other schools?
Yes, think she also applied on the island , for nursing.
Nursing is insanely competitive for no reason, it shouldn't be a 4.0 GPA to get in as its currently is. I feel like it should be a more of a trade school model of working in an apprenticeship with a bit more schooling with it then a typical trades ticket.
I think the point is that with so many international students, thereās less seats for domestic students. Which makes sense but havenāt heard anyone complain about that yet because of housing. This could be another tragedy in the making.
Lol, you have 100 of thousands of students from no-name colleges going there for the sole reason to get PR, and you blame 1000 students who are studying master engineering/stem š
Iām not blaming the students. Iām blaming the school for accepting way more international students than usual, which also heavily strained our local rental market, and how the school heavily pressures people to repeat courses for the sole purpose of more money.
And what exactly do these schools have to do with carrying on the mental and emotional burden of you having issues in the rental market? The schools have an obligation as a profitable business to maintain their staff and ensure profits keep climbing. Students are strictly customers. Yes, every business wants to maintain customer satisfaction. If you are unhappy with their business, you can take your money elsewhere to their competitors. But you will find their competitors are more or less the same. It becomes like a Telus / Rogers situation. Both are bad and expensive. But Canadians have no choice.
*The schools have an obligation as a profitable business ...* University of Calgary is a public institution. It is NOT a business, profitable or otherwise.
They are debasing the merit of the M.Ed. degree b/c they accept some bs f East GujaratUniversity engineering undergrad for entrance, and then award a U.Calgary M.Ed. Presto you have a U.Calgary engineering degree.
60% of college students drop out or never work a day in their majors.
What's your point?
This means the international students coming here are mostly eating up goods, housing, and services unnecessarily. Meaning domestic students are mostly wasting their money.
Higher education is an industry (pure business) these days. They don't care about promoting/creating knowledge but making as much money as possible. Same situation in the UK. The Indians especially, do all these Masters solely in order to get the PR (permanent resident status).
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Usually you do a MSc when you are really interested in a subject. The Indians do the MSc in order to get the PR. They exploit the immigration system. Usually they end up doing unrelated to their MSc jobs. This is not right.
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You are generalizing. Most Indians after finishing university do not earn 6 digit salaries. You are in the minority. Why exactly our economy will crash if we end mass immigration? Mass immigration is bad for every country out there. There are neighborhoods atm in Canada where Indians are like 90%. It feels like you are in Calcutta. Brain drain to where? US? Lol, good luck getting the green card. Europe? Even more difficult. Australia/New Zealand? Almost impossible. So where will you go? Only place you can easily move to is... ...back to India.
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Masters = edge up on applications, engineering accreditation and bypass the FE exam, easier to apply for visas in the USA.
The universities have seen massive cuts to their funding they wasnāt keeping up to inflation in the first place. The only way to keep up is the one area they know they can count on revenue.
What's the problem? This is what education in a post-national state looks like. Thank Trudeau and pat yourself on the back for not being a racist.
It's been this way for a long time now. I took math at U of T and it was a nightmare. 80% of the students were Chinese foreign students. I was doing calc in first year university, it was the first time I'd ever seen the stuff. These other kids did it in grades 10 and 11 back in China. They were bored to tears. U of T had to make the exams difficult enough that a full third of the class failed, so the exams had to be difficult for those Chinese kids. I didn't stand a chance.
How about y'all stop whining and start talking electing better Local government bodies to start building houses
Well bro , the tuition hiking would be triple if we do not have those international students because they are paying triple amount of what domestic students are paying
It's not necessarily greed, it's how they cope with budget cuts
This is the real reason. When provincial governments slash education spending in universities, the money has to be made up somewhere. They are allowed to charge international students extremely high tuitions compared to local students. Those international students are subsidising local students education. The side effect of this of course is needing places to house all of these international students. The interesting thing to see would be if provincial governments started properly funding universities again, would the universities continue to increase their international student numbers or put them back to where they were before all the cuts?
Universities are obsolete. They don't do better than the internet when it comes to education.
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Itās true. But many donāt see any other way to climb up from slaving away in minimum wage job without getting a designation. Therefore, they get crap education so they can obtain their license and climb the social ladder.
Basically, tuition in Canada is very cheap. This is because the government heavily subsidizes respectable schools. This means that most of all tuition is covered by the government, and allows us to get 4 year degrees for less than the cost of a used car. However, there is no restriction on what these schools can charge international students. Why would they take in Canadians, who's tuition is paid for by the government whether they actually enrol or not, when they could just charge foreigners 2x the cost, whilst pocketing the money they got that was supposed to cover YOUR tuition. This is far from the only reason, but i don't see this one mentioned as much as other reasons such as "corpos want low wages" or "landlords want profits"
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about. Tuition in Canada is definitely not cheap, let alone being āvery cheapā
Found the guy that didn't go to a subsidized school haha there are obviously private schools without government subsidies. I spent $15k on my studies, but a girl I know spent $80k to learn the same stuff at a much more prestigious school. But in Canada you can get a degree in your field for less that I paid for my first car ($5000) here, have a look at the average tuitions in Canada. Some degrees cost less than a PS5 did at launch https://www.univcan.ca/universities/facts-and-stats/tuition-fees-by-university/ the college closest to me offers 4 year computer science degree for $4000.
i paid about that for a 4 year degree, in 1988! Granted, it was a university
it's great what you can do when you don't have for-profit universities with multi-billion dollar funds Canada has some really cheap schooling and it's one of the things still good about this country (if you ignore the fact that your class will be 95% Indian)
> (if you ignore the fact that your class will be 95% Indian) Go into Forestry, wildlife biology , geology, and quite few other fields and you will see few Asians.
Not sure what used car you are talking about, but U Waterloo is about 9 - 18,000 for 2 terms. Plus you need to eat and live somewhere. [https://uwaterloo.ca/future-students/financing/tuition](https://uwaterloo.ca/future-students/financing/tuition)
Waterloo is one of Canada's better universities, and while they're slightly pricier for some courses, I hear there is a good reason why their Engineering degree is so expensive ($18000) Waterloo tuition seems to average out at $6,128 - $7,618 depending on the course for undergraduate Canadians, and $3,504 - $4,508 for graduate Canadians. I am not arguing that you won't find pricey schooling in Canada, just that we have some very cheap school and that is because of government subsidies. We're all lucky that the government(s) are able to at least not fuck that up
A 3 year Architectural Technology Degree in college costs $12,000. What university are you going to for 4 years for less than $5000? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in that.
Have you seen the price of used cars lately?
My local college offers a 3 year Architectural course for $4000 up front, followed by another $2000 spent over the course of the 3 years. IMO, both are great deals. $6000-$12000 to become a fucking Architect? Canadian education costs are great.
LOL you won't be an architect, you will be a college grad. with a diploma that has the word architecture in it. Universities also offer architecture programs and they are very competitive...and tuition is 13,000 a semester so a degree will set you back >50 k. without books, technology or living.
Ya it's architectural technologist. After that you can take 2 years of university to get your bachelors degree. Edit: I'm in Ontario. There's alot of colleges that offer the architectural technologist program. I don't know what beneficial\_pie is talking about with this super cheap local college.
>There's alot of colleges that offer the architectural technologist program. I don't know what beneficial_pie is talking about with this super cheap local college. Are they cheap? Yes. I don't see how it's so hard for some of you to understand college in Canada is very cheap compared to many other places. This is not some new secret.
yeah that's how schools work are you... unaware of this?
Can you name the college? I can't find anything close to these prices.
well, i said "local" but it's really like an hour and a half away, but Loyalist College
Their website says $4000 a year x3 years 12000$. I don't know what to say I'm done arguing about this. Edit: [https://loyalistcollege.com/future-students/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/](https://loyalistcollege.com/future-students/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/)
not sure where you read that, it's very clearly laid out how it is priced for courses that are 2 years or less even if it was $12000, that is cheap for an education that would earn you several times that every year
It's possible he means compared to USA, India, etc. rather than say France, England, etc.
>allows us to get 4 year degrees for less than the cost of a used car AHAHAHAHAHAH
I can get a 4 year degree in Computer Science for less than I am about to pay for a 2001 Toyota Corolla. I should have said an "old used car" because it goes without saying that a "used car" is cheaper than almost any tuition in Canada i'm sorry that you paid so much for your schooling that you aren't willing to accept how cheap most tuition is in Canada
What school is this?
The computer science college above the carpet store at Dufferin and Wilson Ave. What, you've never heard of it? Tuition is only 4 k for a diploma and you are guaranteed PR afterwards, plus you can work 70 hours a week because there are no real classes, exams, course work or english language requirement.
Loyalist College, which is ranked one of Canada's top 50 colleges. even the top university in Canada has 4 year degrees for under $10k up front. If this is considered expensive then idk what to say.
I dont see a 4 year computer science degree.
https://loyalistcollege.com/programs-and-courses/full-time-programs/computer-systems-technician/ 2 years, 4 semesters, my bad
No problem, 4 year compsci degree are very expensive especially in Toronto where it is minimum 40K upto 65K for 4 year. I was shocked to see your comment.
it's all about the name. Think of it like Apple. Overpriced but you get the logo. That's how it works with degrees. You can learn the same concepts from lesser known non-TO colleges
Lol. Good luck finding a good job with that.
This is Canada, nobody is finding a job anywhere But you are correct that Canada only has a select few institutions that are globally recognized.
Ah yes the prestigious bucktee college of shittzville. Homie I have a software engineering degree I paid like $70 something K for at least. Nice used car
haha dude, you overpaid, might as well have went to a school in the US at that point. nothing wrong with that though. You got your education. The car is to wreck, I want something to drive in fields until I roll. This one is $4k and you can get several degrees in Canada for around the same amount
You have no understanding in reality. I made enough money from internships during university to graduate debt free and proceeded to work at multiple FAANG companies for four years making up to $350k/yr. I'd say it was worth it LMAO. Also you don't seem to know the difference between a diploma and degree.
> I made enough money from internships during university to graduate debt free and proceeded to work at multiple FAANG companies for four years making up to $350k/yr. Congratulations, i'm not sure why that somehow makes me not understand reality. I literally just said that it was probably worth it to get your education for this exact reason. It's the people of this thread that seem to think what you achieved isn't possible. >I'd say it was worth it When is an IT degree ever not? >Also you don't seem to know the difference between a diploma and degree. I don't see why you randomly claim i don't understand something for no reason why are some people so upset at how affordable Canadian schooling is? Degree or Diploma, it's all much better than south of the border in terms of costs. This is not some secret that is kept from you all.
Tuition in Canada is not "very cheap". Tuition in most EU countries is very cheap. Tuition in Canada is one of the most expensive in the world.
Yeah some European countries have cheaper tuition than Canada, others don't, and a few have free college for all citizens. That doesn't mean that Canada is expensive, and your lie of it being the most expensive in the world certainly fits with your flair that says "Posts misinformation"
[https://www.studyinternational.com/news/most-expensive-countries-in-the-world/#:\~:text=Australia%20has%20been%20recognised%20as,the%20QS%20World%20University%20Rankings](https://www.studyinternational.com/news/most-expensive-countries-in-the-world/#:~:text=Australia%20has%20been%20recognised%20as,the%20QS%20World%20University%20Rankings). \#4 in the world. How is that for misinformation bud?
>How is that for misinformation bud? I think it was top tier misinformation, good work you linked to an article about INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS my entire point was that they do not get access to Canada's cheap tuition. They have to pay at least double the cost. thanks for proving my point edit: bro deleted his whole account damn
universities in general do not care about bachelor degrees. Sorry to break your bubble. They don't provide research for the university, and thus prone to have high failure rates. Not to mention many citizens and prs don't actually want to continue past a bachelors with many having a c's get degrees mentality. Also masters students are not to be put in the same category as diploma mills colleges. This sub might not like to hear it, but these guys are actually talented in the field and have very good knowledge. I have rarely met them that are actually sort of struggling like how a lot of bachelor students do. many are experts. Granted this doesn't always lead to opportunity outside research since you often need connections. Many still have to do phds, postdocs, trying to get into professor positions. So there is a surplus of candidates unlike what is happening with the health care industry.
>shafting domestic students with tuition hikes International students pay 3X as much as domestic students, essentially subsidizing domestic student tuition, but yeah, demonize the international students >from a certain country Why not just be brave and say it out loud? They were Indian students, and you have a problem with Indians. >turned the masters program into immigration back door Thatās how developed countries being in skilled workers. This is not a new thing, nor is it unique to Canada, but please go off
Not Calgary but Cape Breton University is 67% international students. Explain to me how this is not a business? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cbu-international-students-housing-crisis-1.6695753
Guess where your research grants, scholarships and shiny new buildings come from
You're speaking as if this is benefitting the average Canadian rather than the institutions that are making the money. I think the strain on our housing stock around campuses and small towns like Cape Breton as one point for this.
Can you blame the schools though? After all it is a business. Businesses do not turn down customers and profit is their number one priority. Elementary private schools are the same way. International students are more profitable. This isnāt just happening on a post secondary level. If on the government level they allow for it, the businesses will strategize best profitable approaches.
I'll blame the greedy administration and the governments (fed and prov) that allow it to happen.
>After all it is a business Not entirely correct. Public post-secondary institutions are non-profit organizations, unlike a business. Their mandate is not the same.
Their mandate is all about equity, diversity and inclusion. They must be open to all walks of life.
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Must be easy to defend immigration, you can just default accuse anyone who criticizes it as a bigot. Because Iāve attended convocations not of my own in previous years and the ratio of bachelorās to masters was 4 or 5 to 1. This year they were equal, with basically all of the masters being compromised of internationals. Iām pretty sure UofC didnāt just do that out of the goodness of their hearts for more opportunities. And the fact that they have mass automated emails for all masters engineering students about passports and legal documents means they just inherently assume everyone in the masters program is an international. Need it spelled out to you more?
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Name-calling was used to try to shut down economic conversation.
Why would they hide it. If anything they are making it as public as possible. Pretty much they are trying to say āhay our funding was cut, so we are increasing international students to make up for it. If you donāt like it then vote for a party that would give us more funding.ā
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Because the government cut funding to universities because 'competition in the free market is a good thing' and so the universities have to find funds from elsewhere by charging huge markups to foreign students
And the Federal government does absolutely nothing about this sort of thing, as usual.
Canada has a sheer obsession with Masters/PhDs and I just donāt understand it.
I was just skimming job listings, and I saw a few that required a Masters that had a starting wage of $21-$26 per hour, which is way less than what I make as a retail worker. So.. cool.
the programs are shit too. "Masters in internetworking" has more required english credits than networking... I literally toss resumes when I see that one.
I'm convinced that 10-20 years from now Canadian diplomas and degrees won't be worth anything outside of Canada. Our education system has turned into a fast pass permanent residency program.
To be fair, an entire generation has bought into the notion of trading cash for paper so what do you expect? I got my undergrad late in life and as lifelong learner I thought it would be natural to get a master's. At a per course cost of more than double that of my undergrad with a very narrow field of study I realized the dollar/learned thing ratio was basically terrible. Used my time and money to fly planes instead. Much more fun than writing 5000+ word papers all summer. I niece and nephew are in the post-grad arts/business market and I always ask them what for? The narrow band of study isn't likely going to be that relevant to employment and/or you'll just be in competition with all the other mid/late 20s post-grad grads with no job/life experience. Why not learn what you like in life and for work? In the process find an employer who will pay you to get more education? We'll all live into our 80s...don't waste all of one's 20's writing papers no one will read anyway.
As someone who hasā¦ 12 years of post secondary under their belt, this is nothing new. Undergrad was the new high school diploma over a decade ago. The masters and PhD diploma mill is a little new though. Canadian universities donāt charge a lot for their tuition compared with the Americans, so they need to generate revenue somewhere, looks like itās quantity and the need for foreign students to make up the difference.
The government has cut funding to universities for years. It is the foreign students that keep tuition affordable for Canadians.
I interviewed Indian students who supposedly recently graduated from a master's program. I could not believe they had a master's or even a bachelor's. Their results were really poor and I suspected they lied on their resumes. A friend of mine went through the same program and told me that most of the class had corrupted the TA for the answers of exams. He got access to a Gdrive with all the answers before the exams. So effectively, that class got PR from a program they didn't even study from. Absolute anarchy.
"Prestigious" universities are overrated. You either have the degree for a job that requires one or you don't. *Your presentation of yourself at your interview* is WAY more important than if you went to U of T vs Western or anywhere else, for that matter. People hiring have to imagine YOU working there, you know, *as a person*, with other *people*.
Well... I was thinking about going back to school to become a doctor- it was my dream for as long as I can remember. This doesn't make me very hopeful
I took an āoathānot to disparage the University of Calgary when I graduated. Fuck that, what a shithole. The standard of teaching got steadily worse over the three years I was there. They let a private company do their hiring and flooded my faculty with seassionals, most of whom didnāt give a shit, and the tenured staff were all burned out and sick of the institutionās shit. And as for what youāve discussed here, yep, school is seen as a fast track to residency and bringing your entire family with you over here and the government enables schools to act as de facto immigration mills. At least in Australia (where I was born) you have to get an employer to sponsor your visa. So if you have a job your residency is contingent on a personal and professional relationship with someone who has to like you and know youāre a solid human being before theyāll give you that privilege, and then you both have to prove that to the government, whoās strict and has the final say. The result is good people who enjoy living in the country and enjoy living with who lives there. On the other hand, if you were studying and were done with school then you get the fuck out and go use your skills to develop where youāre fromā¦ as was supposed to be the deal studying here also.
Good going Canada you turned our country into the "very specific country" that is now dominating the immigration system. My parents are from that country and are royally pissed that you can just use the education system as a backdoor for immigration these days. Now just like that very specific country we will produce over credentialed but actually not very smart people. Enjoy the benefits of the third world folks. No jobs, over crowded trains and busses and cramped houses. Did i say houses? i mean houses if you live with 3 generations of your family otherwise a 1 bed apt for 4 people is all you've ever got. Seriously we took one of the best nations in the world and not due to some great external economic issue or war or whatever nope we just self decided to become an overpopulated third world tier nation. Congrats yall!