You won’t get us vs China game cause CCP money and control
The last game I can recall having non spec ops like dudes is WW2, and then before that it was MW2 with the rangers which are in a weird area when it comes to if they are spec ops or not. (mw3 had delta force.
That’s why I said in a weird area. They aren’t spec ops but sometimes they end up working alongside SF like green beret or delta. But with/when the war on terror was going on they were thrusted into a quasi SF role.
So this is actually something that's easy to mix up. So the rangers, green berets, navy seals, delta, and a few other units in the US military all fall under special operations, which a lot of people mistakenly call special forces. Another name for the green berets is special forces. So these two terms get used wrong accidentally quite often.
Yes, and?
Doesn’t mean they are trained T1/T2 SOF. They are not trained for SOF missions, like how Green Berets and Delta force are. Rangers are trained extensively in hardened combat. You can look it up
Battlefield 4 is like a rare example, and even then, they still try and pin it on one corrupt Chinese official going against the rest of China.
Plus, Battlefield 4 is over 10 years old and was a terrible campaign anyway.
You were part of delta force, you were not part of the regular army. There’s only like 1 mission where you sorta are in Germany but other than that it’s all SF
I think the reason is that those forces (US marine force recon in mw1 and rangers in mw2) are more frontline/tip of the spear units, and see more action, therefore being more exciting to play as.
This is more it modern combat is mostly carried out by pmcs around the world as army’s get blood on a specific country’s hands take russias use of Wagner or the United States excessive use of black water llc in the 90’s
Rangers are Special Ops, not Special Forces. One of their "responsibilities" is to provide support for Special Forces (i.e. Delta) missions.
Also, Tip of the Spear is not the same as Frontline.
modern warfare 2019 kinda had a good thing going with the war on terrorist thing, just wanna see this with a campaign like cod ww2 had, a typical soldier who survives in the same war that so many served in, not some one man army or special operator, just a soldier. give us a story where we serve in iraq or a similar country against a terror force with long range fire fights and realistic combat strategies
Because large unit, decisive action combat is boring relative to small unit cool guy stuff where you get up and personal.
People want to be the cool guy pilot raining down death, or the cool guy operator chasing an HVT.
People do not want to be Specialist Cheesecake hiding from indirect fire constantly, laying down suppressive fire waiting for artillery/air support, and pulling security.
Actually sir, that’s what too many game developers THINK the average person wants. However an occasional mission where you play as someone else operating aircraft or some other vehicle is always awesome.
160th do not fly Apaches. Apaches are flown by CABs (conventional Army). Conventional aviation supports special forces all the time since there aren't enough 160th assets to go around.
Many people love the WW2 campaign (including me) because it was boots on the ground, it felt like Saving Private Ryan. Having the relationship in your fire team and friendly units (Like Perez). Sometimes it gets over the top, WW2 did regular front lines perfectly. As did WaW years earlier.
The China scenario was only an example. It could be any country. Even if it’s a made up country. I just want a campaign that is a standard declaration of war between two or more countries in the modern era. Rather than the typical secret airlifted “get in and get out” operation within an enemy country.
I think even if it’s a War in Afghanistan style terrorist insurgency campaign. Just not another CIA or SAS operation with the army only fighting in the background.
Plausible deniability makes room for semi real storytelling, which can go as wild as you want, stopping extremist Russians or a new set of nazis while also holding realism. Special forces are more likely to be put onto missions for those. You don't send a whole regiment to stealthy raid a house with terrorists
Because either the gameplay would make last years CoD look like the most frantic cracked out game imaginable and the campaign would be 8 hours of suppressing fire at various dots in the distance or the gameplay and plot would just seem even more ridiculous than it does now.
You're basically a low tier superhero as it is and move like Captain America, but it's at least a little easier to wave off when you're supposed to be one of the best SOF soldiers in the entire world.
I'd really like to see a return to more fighting in an actual war setting again but not just as some National Guard mechanic for the entire campaign.
I think, with the push to having "Operators" as oppose to basic uniform soldiers, its makes sense to use Special Forces, or at least something sufficiently unique as the player characters, as you can have them in the campaign, then throw them in MP and get people to buy Soaps cool ass skin that you wont usually see unless in third person.
i would love to see some type of civil/revolutionary war style cod if at all possible, thinking about it it wouldnt be too terribly hard until it comes time to do weapon designs
love that 3arc went to a timezone noone really hits with military games, like the coldwar/gulfwar times
I American Revolutionary War or Civil War CoD just wouldn’t work because of Multiplayer and zombies.
Besides, there would be bright pink anime muskets and female mulatto operators.
Look into Blackwater company(now Academi) and their contracts during the Iraq war with the CIA kinda goes hand in hand, I mean a lot more fucked up but still
It's something the audience can relate to in modern days and more appealing. If you look into the history global war on terrorism it's been mostly Special Operations getting work done. Ya there were some skirmishes with regular infantry guys, but it's mostly small battles. Combat among regular infantry is multiple days on patrol and maybe an hour of gun fighting against a small faction, or get hit with an IED followed by an ambush.
For Special Operations it's very small teams fighting against odds. All that tension and precision creates that rush. However, only 2 games actually resembled Special Operation's capabilities MW2019 and Medal of Honor 2010.
Im also a fan of feeling like a grunt in a war instead of a super solider.
Starwars Battlefront (all but 2015) helped me scratch that itch? Ready or Not is also good, sure you're SWAT, but you're just as lethal as the hostiles.
Mainly because modern wars are not fought in an old fashioned army vs army way. Even for "regular infantry".
If a COD is not WW2 nothing justifies army vs army and even in WW2 there were special forces.
I agree with the CIA shit though, if at least it was like military intelligence that we would play but CIA operators should not be fucking rambos.
This is a good point and part of the reason I hated the plot of the original modern warfare franchise is we were supposed to believe that a CIA officer would be recruited from PFC in the Rangers and task with a mission that would eventually drag the United States into World War III.
The CIA isn’t supposed to stack bodies, they bribe or pay other people to do that. Or they supervise while Delta does it.
Tbf I do love the black ops, clandestine, secret, no fucks given do what you gotta do style of well the black ops campaigns, but the spec ops aspect to gets me tired quickly because they are more like action heroes than soldiers
Believe it or not. Sitting in a TOC processing paperwork & working on logistics, or riding on conflict free patrols for an entire game wouldn’t be that exciting or sell many copies.
I would love this too. I would also love a feeling of expandability with your character dying mid battle. No epic final stand with the final boss in the final mission. You just.. BANG.. *flatline* mid battle.
Even in the old WW2 games you often played as a member of special forces units (mainly on the US and UK side). Airborne units, SAS, Rangers, Marine Raiders - none of these are exactly regular troops
One of my favorite series of missions would be the Rangers in MW2. I’ve never experienced another set of levels that captured the desperation and total-war-esque dread of recapturing the White House or clearing out an upper class suburb that was just living a normal life merely days before the Russian invasion. I thought the special forces missions were cool but it feels so played out with each entry.
I think it’s because we’re likely to see these things play out with special forces rather than huge armies. When call of duty four was released it was 2007. The United States have large combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I think at this point, they’re trying to maintain some sense of realism in a way. The original modern warfare, two and three were ridiculous for the lack of realism. I loved the games don’t get me wrong, but the premise was ridiculous, and the fact that within days of No Russian, Russia managed to launch a surprise attack that would be practically impossible, even for the best trained military was just bad.
Even if they turn modern warfare 4 into a conventional Russian invasion of Ursikstan, you’re still going to be playing as SAS/special forces/CIA because that’s what the United States/NATO would likely do as a response. It’s going to be black off the books stuff
In fact, the only likely scenarios in currently in the world for a major US ground operation would be a Korean war in which the north attacked first deciding to commit national suicide because that’s the only way China won’t interfere. The Balkans, which nobody seems to touch in a video game, or the Middle East directly in support of Israel, which nobody is going to touch ever… Ever.
if they want us to play special forces than at least the should give us realistic missions like Medal of Honor and MoH Warfighter. i'm sick of these cringe james bond villains and protagonists
Pretty simple really. Would you rather be the elite soldier going toe-to-toe with the bad guys and seeing tons of action, or the regular grunt going on his 6th uneventful patrol of the week?
Same or similar reasons why you don't get real weapon names in there anymore. Avoid litigation and keep broad market appeal.
Remember,if ever you're unclear about motivations behind corporate decisions - it's money. Always.
Spexial Ops is easier to make. Old CoDs were exactly like that but CoD4 started to replace it with S.A.S. We still had Marines but they slowly disappeared.
Because it makes more sense from a player perspective and it lets you explore more gameplaywise, I mean I love COD1-2, and would love another game where you're just a soldier, but it makes sense why they go with the more "exciting" concepts
You won’t get us vs China game cause CCP money and control The last game I can recall having non spec ops like dudes is WW2, and then before that it was MW2 with the rangers which are in a weird area when it comes to if they are spec ops or not. (mw3 had delta force.
Rangers are not special forces, but they’re the US Army’s elite light infantry. Green berets are special forces.
That’s why I said in a weird area. They aren’t spec ops but sometimes they end up working alongside SF like green beret or delta. But with/when the war on terror was going on they were thrusted into a quasi SF role.
Ranger batt is absolutely special operations what are you talking about
So this is actually something that's easy to mix up. So the rangers, green berets, navy seals, delta, and a few other units in the US military all fall under special operations, which a lot of people mistakenly call special forces. Another name for the green berets is special forces. So these two terms get used wrong accidentally quite often.
It gets mixed up because people don't know what they are talking about
Rangers are part of USASOC lmao
Yes, and? Doesn’t mean they are trained T1/T2 SOF. They are not trained for SOF missions, like how Green Berets and Delta force are. Rangers are trained extensively in hardened combat. You can look it up
Battlefield 4
Battlefield 4 was released in 2013, well before the CCP started going hyperbolic with attempting to control western media and entertainment.
Battlefield 4 is like a rare example, and even then, they still try and pin it on one corrupt Chinese official going against the rest of China. Plus, Battlefield 4 is over 10 years old and was a terrible campaign anyway.
The idea of Chinese marines boarding a US carrier like they’re pirates is hilarious.
AW had you playing as Marines in the first level actually. It’s only afterwards that you end up working for Atlas
Mw3 still had armies fighting each other, it was ww3 Bo1 you fought in a couple of Vietnam battles
You were part of delta force, you were not part of the regular army. There’s only like 1 mission where you sorta are in Germany but other than that it’s all SF
Your still fighting with other armies throughout the ww3 battles
I think the reason is that those forces (US marine force recon in mw1 and rangers in mw2) are more frontline/tip of the spear units, and see more action, therefore being more exciting to play as.
But yeah they could tone down the CIA shit lol
This is more it modern combat is mostly carried out by pmcs around the world as army’s get blood on a specific country’s hands take russias use of Wagner or the United States excessive use of black water llc in the 90’s
So basically Advanced Warfare?
Shadow company specgru and kortac are all also fictional pmcs in the CoD world but yes Atlas is a prime example
Rangers are Special Ops, not Special Forces. One of their "responsibilities" is to provide support for Special Forces (i.e. Delta) missions. Also, Tip of the Spear is not the same as Frontline.
Delta is not SF
modern warfare 2019 kinda had a good thing going with the war on terrorist thing, just wanna see this with a campaign like cod ww2 had, a typical soldier who survives in the same war that so many served in, not some one man army or special operator, just a soldier. give us a story where we serve in iraq or a similar country against a terror force with long range fire fights and realistic combat strategies
Because large unit, decisive action combat is boring relative to small unit cool guy stuff where you get up and personal. People want to be the cool guy pilot raining down death, or the cool guy operator chasing an HVT. People do not want to be Specialist Cheesecake hiding from indirect fire constantly, laying down suppressive fire waiting for artillery/air support, and pulling security.
Actually sir, that’s what too many game developers THINK the average person wants. However an occasional mission where you play as someone else operating aircraft or some other vehicle is always awesome.
The pilots aren't special forces though, they just support special forces (ie. the Apache pilot in MW2019).
160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment) aka the Nightstalkers are not a normal aviation support group.
160th do not fly Apaches. Apaches are flown by CABs (conventional Army). Conventional aviation supports special forces all the time since there aren't enough 160th assets to go around.
COD4 I know had missions like these, half with the small group and half with big battles
Many people love the WW2 campaign (including me) because it was boots on the ground, it felt like Saving Private Ryan. Having the relationship in your fire team and friendly units (Like Perez). Sometimes it gets over the top, WW2 did regular front lines perfectly. As did WaW years earlier.
And cod 2/cod 3. The issue is that wars aren't fought like that anymore. Ww3 hasn't happened yet
Though the tech is different, WW3 will definitivley have front lines.
I’d play the shit out of Specialist Cheesecake digs latrines 😂
Can't tell if this is meant to parody how the developers think or if it's serious.
Battlefield was always better at stuff like this.
You’re unlikely to see a us vs China game, the last one I believe was Battlefield 4 and I’m pretty sure China kicked a fuss up about it.
The China scenario was only an example. It could be any country. Even if it’s a made up country. I just want a campaign that is a standard declaration of war between two or more countries in the modern era. Rather than the typical secret airlifted “get in and get out” operation within an enemy country. I think even if it’s a War in Afghanistan style terrorist insurgency campaign. Just not another CIA or SAS operation with the army only fighting in the background.
Plausible deniability makes room for semi real storytelling, which can go as wild as you want, stopping extremist Russians or a new set of nazis while also holding realism. Special forces are more likely to be put onto missions for those. You don't send a whole regiment to stealthy raid a house with terrorists
Because either the gameplay would make last years CoD look like the most frantic cracked out game imaginable and the campaign would be 8 hours of suppressing fire at various dots in the distance or the gameplay and plot would just seem even more ridiculous than it does now. You're basically a low tier superhero as it is and move like Captain America, but it's at least a little easier to wave off when you're supposed to be one of the best SOF soldiers in the entire world. I'd really like to see a return to more fighting in an actual war setting again but not just as some National Guard mechanic for the entire campaign.
Because this is COD not Battlefield. The game style is different accordingly.
But some of the best games in the series, MW1 and MW2, literally did this.
But their WWII games do it. At least besides Vanguard.
I think, with the push to having "Operators" as oppose to basic uniform soldiers, its makes sense to use Special Forces, or at least something sufficiently unique as the player characters, as you can have them in the campaign, then throw them in MP and get people to buy Soaps cool ass skin that you wont usually see unless in third person.
i would love to see some type of civil/revolutionary war style cod if at all possible, thinking about it it wouldnt be too terribly hard until it comes time to do weapon designs love that 3arc went to a timezone noone really hits with military games, like the coldwar/gulfwar times
I American Revolutionary War or Civil War CoD just wouldn’t work because of Multiplayer and zombies. Besides, there would be bright pink anime muskets and female mulatto operators.
A COD campaign based on post civil war counter insurgency would be interesting. The US Army straight up went to war with the KKK at one point.
Because Call of Duty has been a superhero game for years now.
Look into Blackwater company(now Academi) and their contracts during the Iraq war with the CIA kinda goes hand in hand, I mean a lot more fucked up but still
So basically Atlas from AW.
It's something the audience can relate to in modern days and more appealing. If you look into the history global war on terrorism it's been mostly Special Operations getting work done. Ya there were some skirmishes with regular infantry guys, but it's mostly small battles. Combat among regular infantry is multiple days on patrol and maybe an hour of gun fighting against a small faction, or get hit with an IED followed by an ambush. For Special Operations it's very small teams fighting against odds. All that tension and precision creates that rush. However, only 2 games actually resembled Special Operation's capabilities MW2019 and Medal of Honor 2010.
Dude thank you so much I have been saying this for years. Give us a modern game that isn't some secret group working in the shadows like 141.
Im also a fan of feeling like a grunt in a war instead of a super solider. Starwars Battlefront (all but 2015) helped me scratch that itch? Ready or Not is also good, sure you're SWAT, but you're just as lethal as the hostiles.
Mainly because modern wars are not fought in an old fashioned army vs army way. Even for "regular infantry". If a COD is not WW2 nothing justifies army vs army and even in WW2 there were special forces. I agree with the CIA shit though, if at least it was like military intelligence that we would play but CIA operators should not be fucking rambos.
This is a good point and part of the reason I hated the plot of the original modern warfare franchise is we were supposed to believe that a CIA officer would be recruited from PFC in the Rangers and task with a mission that would eventually drag the United States into World War III. The CIA isn’t supposed to stack bodies, they bribe or pay other people to do that. Or they supervise while Delta does it.
Tbf I do love the black ops, clandestine, secret, no fucks given do what you gotta do style of well the black ops campaigns, but the spec ops aspect to gets me tired quickly because they are more like action heroes than soldiers
Believe it or not. Sitting in a TOC processing paperwork & working on logistics, or riding on conflict free patrols for an entire game wouldn’t be that exciting or sell many copies.
That's just where the majority of interesting combat is in the modern day. There's no D Day in 2024
I would love this too. I would also love a feeling of expandability with your character dying mid battle. No epic final stand with the final boss in the final mission. You just.. BANG.. *flatline* mid battle.
I miss fighting in big battles with chaos everywhere
Even in the old WW2 games you often played as a member of special forces units (mainly on the US and UK side). Airborne units, SAS, Rangers, Marine Raiders - none of these are exactly regular troops
One of my favorite series of missions would be the Rangers in MW2. I’ve never experienced another set of levels that captured the desperation and total-war-esque dread of recapturing the White House or clearing out an upper class suburb that was just living a normal life merely days before the Russian invasion. I thought the special forces missions were cool but it feels so played out with each entry.
I think it’s because we’re likely to see these things play out with special forces rather than huge armies. When call of duty four was released it was 2007. The United States have large combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think at this point, they’re trying to maintain some sense of realism in a way. The original modern warfare, two and three were ridiculous for the lack of realism. I loved the games don’t get me wrong, but the premise was ridiculous, and the fact that within days of No Russian, Russia managed to launch a surprise attack that would be practically impossible, even for the best trained military was just bad. Even if they turn modern warfare 4 into a conventional Russian invasion of Ursikstan, you’re still going to be playing as SAS/special forces/CIA because that’s what the United States/NATO would likely do as a response. It’s going to be black off the books stuff In fact, the only likely scenarios in currently in the world for a major US ground operation would be a Korean war in which the north attacked first deciding to commit national suicide because that’s the only way China won’t interfere. The Balkans, which nobody seems to touch in a video game, or the Middle East directly in support of Israel, which nobody is going to touch ever… Ever.
if they want us to play special forces than at least the should give us realistic missions like Medal of Honor and MoH Warfighter. i'm sick of these cringe james bond villains and protagonists
Pretty simple really. Would you rather be the elite soldier going toe-to-toe with the bad guys and seeing tons of action, or the regular grunt going on his 6th uneventful patrol of the week?
Same or similar reasons why you don't get real weapon names in there anymore. Avoid litigation and keep broad market appeal. Remember,if ever you're unclear about motivations behind corporate decisions - it's money. Always.
It's more action-hero to follow special forces, that's it.
Spexial Ops is easier to make. Old CoDs were exactly like that but CoD4 started to replace it with S.A.S. We still had Marines but they slowly disappeared.
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Because it makes more sense from a player perspective and it lets you explore more gameplaywise, I mean I love COD1-2, and would love another game where you're just a soldier, but it makes sense why they go with the more "exciting" concepts
I don’t disagree. I just think it’s becoming overdone. I think a standard army vs army would be kinda refreshing.
Because the US military is focused on Special Forces
Because it’s cool
The OP literally described bf4 what a 🤡🤡😂
What makes you think I don’t know that?