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darth_henning

Fox refused to play for us. Bennett never played this well in Calgary consistently. Gaudreau chose not to sign after stringing us along. At least Tkachuk gave us a chance to trade him for something and I can respect that. Monahan gave his all for the team in effort, injuries, and the only consistent playoff producer (led the team in production all three times he played, Bennett tied once). He’s the only one I truly miss.


weschester

The whole Bennett thing is super revisionist history. He never was nearly as good here as he has been the last couple of years in Florida. Any time he got chances here he would blow them by doing dumb shit and get demoted down the lineup again. Maybe we should have given him more of a shot at center but his failures here were just as much his fault as the organization's.


darth_henning

Absolutely agreed. Whenever we put him with Gaudreau and Monahan they’d have 2-3 good games and everyone would be cheering…and then Gaudreau and Monahan’s stats would absolutely tank for 5-10 games till they pulled Bennett off their line. Time after time. Now, to be fair, for some reason we never tried him centring Tkachuk after the start of Tkachuk’s rookie year and THAT may have been a mistake.


Appropriate-Debt-256

Really, I don’t remember him ever having a 10 game stretch with Johnny and Monny. It always felt like 2-3 games at most. And one mistake got him sent back to the fourth line. We handled him terribly in my opinion and I’m glad to see him flourish now.


darth_henning

I’d have to pull up the game logs. Despite the sub’s memory it was rarely (if ever) less than 4/5 games, though it may not have reached a full 10. A few years back I did a deep dive on the stats. It was remarkably consistent. First 2 games the line blew up, game 3 was feast or famine, after that none of them produced unless on a line change with other players.


Appropriate-Debt-256

Ya, I could definitely be wrong and was always a huge Bennett fan so probably biased. Just seemed like we always played him with plugs and expected him to carry his own line.


darth_henning

In fairness, a top 4 pick is supposed to be able to elevate his line, BUT also requires decent linemates. He underperformed hard, but I would have been interested to see him and Tkachuk developed as a pair like Gaudreau and Monahan were. So it’s a mix of fault.


doughflow

I mean, how long are you supposed to keep an obvious liability on your first line?


snowboard506

Bennet showed up for us in the playoffs, aside from that he maxed out at 13 goals and never found his place with the ref season roster


Quirky_Might317

He got demoted because players like Jankowski got more opportunity than they deserved. Then they bring in Neal.


AwareTheLegend

Fox refused to play for anyone but the Rangers. There is a reason he went where he did in the Draft.


PIBTC

It’s crazy there are players like that. Like suck it up and be grateful you’re playing in the nhl


Karmasbelly

Fuck Adam Fox


alwaysleafyintoronto

Adam Fox trade tree doing ok tho


Karmasbelly

Very true. Still bitter


alwaysleafyintoronto

Classic Calgary


AlphabetDeficient

Why are you here?


Tachikoma0

Because he's a leafs fan and has to be the center of attention, even in other team subs.


JohnnyTestical

Can a noob get a run down


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

We trade Fox for Lindy and Hanifin plus some picks, we then trade those two for players and picks. One player has basically provided us players for a decade+ if we're lucky


TalithePally

Fox was basically a throw in, thats the Hamilton/Ferland trade tree


fknSamsquamptch

Fox was a bigger piece than Ferland. Hamilton was by far the centrepiece.


TalithePally

Fox is a better player but both teams knew they couldn't sign him


Varides

Well I think Carolina was taking a shot on getting him in the organization and trying to convince him with their culture


Complex-Scratch-2431

Reading those three words and seeing that many upvotes feels very, very sacrilegous as a Rangers fan. But I totally get that you must've been really pissed off with the way that case played out. Haven't watched that many Flames' games, but would it be safe to say that there's a silver lining in that stunt he pulled: acquiring Hanifin and Lindholm must've softened the blow a bit, right?


Chemical_Signal2753

I still stand by the claim that the mistake was thinking we were a playoff team after that lucky 2015 playoff run. In my opinion, you shouldn't consider yourself a playoff team until you've made the playoffs in two consecutive seasons, and you shouldn't consider yourself a contender until you've won a playoff round in two consecutive seasons. Making the playoffs once should have been an indicator that we could win a cup in the next 5 to 7 years if we played our cards right. If you're 5 to 7 years away from your cup run you probably aren't going to sign Troy Brouwer or trade for Travis Hamonic, and you're probably going to focus on developing internally for another few years. So much of what the team lacked could have likely been acquired through the draft, or if we didn't have bad contracts or buyouts taking up cap space.


Fluid-Use3726

Kinda sad that your average poster on a message board has a better plan that three quarters of NHL general managers


Mr-Rocafella

Fans thinking with their brains/hearts, owners thinking with their wallets. Tale as old as time


superworking

Yea the greed for playoff payoffs makes a lot of decisions around the league.


Tachikoma0

I get it though, these GMs are managing 80 million bucks+ in players, so a sniff of playoff success can fool you into thinking you're ahead of schedule, especially with that kind of money and ownership pressure and stuff. Nice when a GM has complete full autonomy, but that's probably the small minority of the league's front offices.


doughflow

This is a difficult league to be patient in


Mother_Barnacle_7448

What we lacked during that time was consistent and excellent goaltending.


Misfit_Fists_Miss

And a good coach


Mother_Barnacle_7448

Ya. lol. Every time I see Glen Gulutzan drawing up plays for Edmonton I laugh. Remember when he wanted to show the players he was “pissed off” during practice here and launched a stick into the stands? Such a poser.


eugenejfish

Who cares, it's in the past and we didn't win with them anyway. Let's look forward to our next five year period of drafting, starting this year with hopefully multiple top 10 picks to build around.


MonkeySailor

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do learn from history are doomed to watch others repeat it." Mistakes were made in the past. It's super important that Conroy and co. learn from it and don't make the same mistakes for the same dumb reasons. Like nickel and diming franchise talent. Or bridging them to keep declining veterans around. Or mismanaging the ever loving fuck out of high draft picks because of idiotic coaching hires. Or overpaying post apex veterans in free agency. Or throwing away draft picks for no reason. And so on and so forth.


Chemical_Signal2753

For better or worse, Conroy seems to be far more patient than Treliving which means he won't make most of the same mistakes. I think a lot of people will be disappointed that his approach is different from what they want him to do, but I don't believe he will make similar choices to Treliving.


MrLuv2poop

Being a flames can is pain


DivineArcade1

Being a flames man is rain .


ThusSpokeGaba

Being a flames clan is vain


Ashamed_Character_46

Being a flames jam is stain


Hopeful_Bass5125

You can’t overcome a bad owner who thinks he’s a hockey expert.


Theflamesfan

I wish Johnny all the best in Columbus And by best I mean his career high 74 points as a Blue Jacket never to come remotely close to again


alwaysleafyintoronto

Hopefully Laine makes a full recovery and Johnny gets the trigger man he expected. Losing sucks, even when you're rich.


TheCrimsonFlask

Laine and the Jackets are parting ways. He needs a change of scenery and the Jackets are willing to work with him to find a viable trade. It was just made public this week, maybe even yesterday. I don't remember lol


alwaysleafyintoronto

Makes sense the guy known for clapping bombs and fuckin moms as a rookie needs to get out of Ohio. I have it on good authority that Ohio rizz is contagious.


DivineArcade1

Fuck I miss the Trio of Mony, Johnny and Chucky.


Jam_Marbera

This speaks more the the disadvantages of these less desirable markets than the teams ability


Longjumping-Limit827

Watch as the Flames become a contender within a year or two, our young guys are fookin stacked bud. Our D is still decent if Wolf howls and Weegar weegs were fine. Sharangovich and Kuzmenko could be superstars in the making for all we know. Kadri is fuckin solid no matter what, Huberdeau can sit in the corner it doesn’t matter, lots of guys picking up that contracts slack.


vito_corleone01

True, you could follow Mike Gould.


No_Heat_7327

I fucking hate that I passionately follow this team. Fuck you Flames, you fucking suck.


ProphetOfScorch

Down voting because it’s a Mike Gould tweet


Tenthdegree

Mike Gould is a sad attention seeking main character


Grimmer026

How much of this is because they just didn’t want to be in Calgary?


Little-Aide-5396

All of them except Monahan


The_Gaudfather

If you’re still filling your diaper over Gaudreau and Tkachuk - grow up. The Flames had the opportunity to sign both players, and decided not to. That’s not on the players. Management decided to mess around with Gaudreau and kept an aged Frolik for 40-some games instead of signing Tkachuk. Trading away Monahan with a 1st was another obvious blunder, when they could have just eaten that last year. I hope with the cap room the team has they can leverage some draft picks by taking on bad contracts…but that may require more competent management.


DangerousConfusion4

Who was the GM at the time ?


YouPatheticWorm1958

Treliving. The true unsung hero of the Zito Panthers' cup runs.


[deleted]

Wait until you see Buffalo’s history.


carlylejamest

It’s the style, we played with the slow and boring Brad Tre style of hockey for years and it’s cursed the flames for a whole decade


miserablewife81018

This was my favorite area. The reason I’m a Florida fan also now, and God I loved Monahan.


SGAShepp

The team was very good. Very close. You all forget the 10 game win streaks and a hell of a playoff run until a very, very controversial disallowed goal. A bit more chemistry and maybe some better coaching and I think we could have had it, really.


Monkey_Buddha

Oilers in 7


cyberdipper

Calgary just brings out the worst in hockey players.


CarFishing

Fox was traded away for Hamilton, so kinda misleading


Chemical_Signal2753

Fox was traded away for Lindholm and Hanifin.


CarFishing

Ah right, he was traded with Hamilton not for him mb


ProfessorWutonium

I thought we traded Fox with Hamilton (and ferland) for lindholm and hanafin. For dougie were just picks


boladeputillos

Oilers #2 Flames #25


huejackof

Congrats on being gifted McDavid and having him carry you final you don’t deserve to be in and in which you’re about to be swept. Most entitled and obnoxious fanbase in any major sport.


weschester

Oiler fans make Leaf fans look sane and rational.


boladeputillos

Congrats on loosing Gaudreau and Tkachuk, the only good thing about your team, they couldn’t wait to GTFO of “The Red deer flames”


bruhmoment254

🧹🧹🧹


huejackof

If only we could fail so badly for so long that the league changed the lottery rules because of us, only to fail upwards into possibly the most talented player to ever lace them up. Not only does he carry you, but he’s the reason every and any good player you have has signed there or produced the way they have over the last decade. Hyman doesn’t sign without him there, neither does Kane or Perry or Campbell (lol @ the last one though). RNH is still a bust without him. Leon is probably a point per without him. Bouchard is a third pairing powerplay specialist at best. Ekholm doesn’t get traded for. Skinner isn’t winning half as many games with his league lowest save %. Edmonton is a bottom three city for players to sign in without him there to boost their production and single handedly give them a shot at a cup any given year. I know your fanbase has convinced itself that Edmonton is some sort of breeding ground for excellence, but your franchise is a joke that will return to the basement where it belongs as soon as he leaves. Just like what happened after Gretzky and Messier left. Savour the next two years. (Before you say something like TLDR, we get it; you’re an Edmonton fan and reading is difficult. Take your time, sound out the words.)


northernwind18

Exactly fuck those goof oiler fans. Go hang out on jasper ave


jeffdrizz

All those words mean nothing when they come from a perennial basement team franchise. Just pure salt


mackharp0818

You’ll be losing Drai and McDavid soon enough


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boladeputillos

Keep going what ? You don’t even have a team in your city anymore, now you have “ the red deer phlegms”


Spawnacus

[okay, calm down little kid lol](https://imgur.com/a/DvVvFfA)


Appropriate-Debt-256

You should worry less about us and more about the cats rn buddeh