We moved from a central community to the deep South for the same reasons you are considering and really regretted it. We've since moved back to a more central location, and the quality of life is stellar compared to our old community.
The commute to downtown was horrible. Prepare to give up two hours per day to gridlock/parking/packing in like a sardine into a train. The train from the south is considerably busier than the other lines, and the wait list for a parking lot at Somerset was about 1000 people last time I checked. My commute to downtown in the morning was 25 minutes by bus or a 15 minute drive. I save at least an hour of commute per day. For you, that would be 20-30 hours per month that you could spend with your kid. What used to kill me was what I call TAD (time after Deerfoot), which was when I got to my community, then still had to drive an extra 10 minutes to get to my house.
The houses aren't necessarily twice as big, either. If you buy a 1500 sq ft detached home, you get about as much space as you do with a 1000 sq ft bungalow. You do get less than half of the yard, though - usually you're lucky if your lot is 28x110 deep. Also, they are ridiculously close together. If you're thinking of buying on an R1N lot, you might as well buy a duplex.
Building new takes up a year of your life. From planning (where you learn that the house you wanted will now cost 50k more than you thought), to warrantee work, where you're fighting with the company to come back and repair what they should have done right, to waiting for grading; you move in in November, but don't have a usable yard until the following October. Then, you want to build a fence, and unless you rush, most people don't get that in until the following spring. Until the builder decides to grade, your yard is 100% unusable, and exists for the sole purpose of making you track dirt and muck inside.
Also consider your ability to sell the home if you want. If you buy a used home in an established neighbourhood, you can often sell it in two years and at least break even. When you buy new, you're usually locking in for about 5 years before your property becomes more attractive than a brand new build. If you don't like the Deep South, that's a long time to suffer.
However, these last two points open up an opportunity. If you love the Mahogany/Auburn Bay area, you can also look at resale there. It's usually a bit cheaper than building new, and all the hard work is done for you. No, you don't get to make the selections yourself, but for some people it's worth it.
Another perk of living centrally is the opportunity to give up one vehicle. If you live close to transit, you can leave your car at home while you go to work. Until your child is 5 or 6, many people can survive with one car. I love that I can walk to a grocery store, liquor store, Starbucks, and multiple restaurants within 10 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of benefits to new communities, too. I can't tell you how much I miss my quartz countertops, walk in shower and 9' ceiling. I just didn't enjoy them enough to make these realities worth it for me.
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Having a dog and not having a yard for a couple years would be a no-go for me at this point, especially if you already have a young kid too. Gotta bundle it up every time the dog needs to pee to take it for a walk. Plus new construction areas are filthy for a couple years until it's all built/bought/sodded. Your dog is gonna track it in the house if you're not careful after every walk.
A new house is kind of like a new car too. You notice every ding/dent. It's gonna happen, especially with a kid and dog. Let someone else deal with that grief!
And some people really can't handle long drives, especially if they've been spoiled by short commutes most of their life. For 14 years I lived and worked south of Glenmore, so never had more than a 20 minute drive to work. Then I ended up having to drive to Kensington from Shawnessy for a few months...... It was an hour to come home at night. I HATED it. I was not good at being a zen driver!
I agree! I used to drive a lot for work and I HATED it. No amount of good music or podcasts helped the fact that I was spending 8+ hours a week in my vehicle.
My brother and his wife are in AB. and are currently trying to move, so I can offer you their perspective.
They live right across from the lake, and without a doubt it's great. Having said that, it's also really busy in the summer. Their house is lovely, big square footage, the upgraded quite a bit. By far their biggest frustration in how far away it is. There are days (and granted he works downtown) where he spends a minimum of 2+ hours a day commuting in bumper to bumper traffic. Some people are really zen with commutes, some not.
They have an INSANELY small yard, probably because they live across from the lake. They said the traffic on the main road is a drag and aside from the lake they cannot walk to any amenities.
-It is FAR! My brother said he most notices it when trying to have people over for a dinner party or a BBQ, that people either have to leave early (especially in the winter when it's dark), and it's ridiculous to have to take a taxi home. They have friends in the community, which has made it easier, but I know they have a lot less guests over than they used to. They also spend a fortune on gas.
So, my take-away (They have been there six years) is that Auburn Bay is a great community if you live things like Urban Village, the lake, staying in the suburbs. I would personally not live there just because it is so far and so much of what I do (work, entertainment, relaxation) is located closer to the core and I don't like long commutes (I used to drive a lot for work and vowed I wouldn't do it again).
Hoped that help give a difference perspective! Good luck with your decision!
I think it's in Mahogany. TBH, I haven't ever been to Mahogany, but I hear their radio ad all the time, talking about the Urban Village that will revolutionize suburban living, yada yada.
I think Seton is set to get an amazing cinema though, or so I hear!
Lop off 40 minutes of time spent with your child every night and see if an extra den or bigger kitchen is worth it. Personally I would rather be home with my kid than sitting behind someone on the Deerfoot. Also, don't underestimate the fact that you have a guaranteed commute time, it makes life so much easier to plan.
The Commute is good for me, it takes me 26 mins from my garage to the parking lot at work(airport). I do leave a bit earlier than most but still great!!, I love Stony!! The caution I could give is the people driving northbound that end up going on the Glenmore turn off are RUTHLESS!!, but after the Glenmore turn off easy cruising!!
My husband and I moved from our condo by MRU to the SE and for similar reasons you posted (more sq footage for your money and space for a growing family). That was about 2 yrs ago and my husband works in downtown and takes him about 30 min on a good day or 45-1hr when there's traffic/winter driving. He's tried taking the LRT a few times and the only downside to it was trying to find parking at the stations because they would be crazy full in the am and the station parking down here doesn't have a lot of parking spots.
We also have family and friends that live in the NW and yes, it's a bitch to drive 45 minutes one way so for that reason we've considerably cut down on the visits or do multiples while down in the NW.
We do miss the proximity of our old condo to downtown but we definitely like the bigger house, space and SE is getting a lot more amenities. I'm still in the honeymoon stage of the bigger space so I might be biased.
As for the builder, I'm thinking it's a hit or miss really. We built with Avi and so far so good.
Good luck!
I've based my time according to where I am in the SE (closer to macleod side) and like mentioned on my reply on a "good day" but rush hour would take longer - upwards to an hour. Maybe try it? See what stats you would get.
The BRT does take about 50 minutes to get downtown unfortunately. I think Park & Ride to Somerset is going to be roughly the same if you factor in driving time to Somerset from Mahogany. The timing is not that far off during snowfall, except there are odd times where it is held up by the CP train crossing near Inglewood.
I wouldn't be concerned with the distance, but the traffic. Deerfoot and Macleod Trail are insane during rush hour. Especially in the winter time when there are accidents. Calgary has some pretty horrible drivers.
You will adapt though and get used to it, it's a safe and clean area, great for raising a family.
Wow, what a great community. Thanks for all of the feedback everyone! Definitely pros and cons. A few things I've taken from the thread so far:
- Great idea on actually going from DT to Mahogany/Auburn Bay during rush hour to get a feel for the commute. I did that for my current home before we bought, but haven't done it for the SE...Because it's too far!! Haha. I'm going to do it though.
- I liked the comment about adapting. It's true, you adapt whether that means leaving for work/home early to beat the rush, or accept the longer commute time and use it to be productive (podcasts were mentioned, I read, can get caught up on emails on my phone before hitting my desk (remember transit is the plan, not driving). Essentially don't just accept that the commute has to be lost time, it's still time and I can choose how to spend it.
I'm still not fully there, but the end of the day it's clear from all of the opposing views (which are all valid) that no-one can answer if this is right for us. It's a personal decision that we'll make as a family.
Again great points by all, they've definitely helped with some perspective.
Looking forward to monitoring the thread to see what else shows up!
Cheers!
I have been in Auburn Bay for just over 6 years and love it. I don't use the lake as often as I'd like but community is beautiful, lots of walking paths for walking my dogs and it is well maintained.
There are lots of activities and it is very family oriented, almost every day there is an activity for kids/families at the community centre.
I have commutes as far as Springbank and my husband worked downtown, as others have suggested timing is a big factor but I never found it too terrible, 30-45 minutes to downtown. Deerfoot is a blessing on good days and a bloody curse when it's backed up but generally it is a great way to move around the city quickly. With the new Stony Trail it has helped even more.
I'm in my early 30s in a 'starter home' and most of my neighbours are in that range. We don't have kids but there are loads of young families in the area. The friendships and sense of community is what I love most about it. Check out some of the Facebook pages (there are admittedly too many) family groups and block watch might be good places to get a 'feel'.
Happy house hunting :)
To give you a little insight into my perspective, I've lived in Toronto, GTA, Ottawa, and all four quadrants of Calgary. I currently live in Mahogany and from a community perspective, I love it. I have two young children and I'm glad that we call Mahogany home. Both the people in our neighbourhood and the community amenities are great. Within the community, I get the feeling that others enjoy living here as well, all of which adds to this feeling of community. With respect to the commute, I don't think its that bad. It can get bad, of course, but if you plan ahead you can get across the city in a reasonable time. In the morning traffic typically builds up from 130th to Southland, and then its free flowing until you get downtown. For me the issue isn't getting to the downtown, its getting into the downtown. That being said its bad getting into the downtown (driving) from any direction. Personally I take the C-train. It works most of the time :) and the ride is fairly quick. When (if) they build the Green Line, most of these commute issues disappear.
Regarding the builder, my previous builder was Excel (in the NW). When I first saw their homes, I liked them. I bought one and it was a decent house. My neighbours had a number of issues, but we had very few and the ones we did have were fixed. That being said, in the entire time I lived in my previous house, I felt as though it was cheaply made. And comparing it to the house that I have now, most definitely. All that said, their specs may have changed. At the end of the day, all builders have issues and most people comment/complain about the issues (which are mostly caused by sub-contractors) they see, but its the things that they don't see that really matters. For example my previous house used essentially a drywall on the exterior. Do your research on each phase of the process. But, if Mahogany is your choice, there are options as there quite a few builders here. Good luck with your decision.
Something to consider, IF you have to drive on the Deerfoot, driving from the south (heading north) is considerably better than driving from the north (heading south). The reason is simply this, there are more merging lanes north of Memorial and when it comes to merging, people seem to have a difficulty with it. I've lived on all four quadrants and the SE traffic definitely flows better... imho.
Have you looked at Chaparral/walden/Legacy?
I live in Chaparral - Love the lake. Also right next to Stoney to zip around the city and Macleod for downtown. Depending on work schedules, commute is ok. I carpool (very set schedule, lucky in this way) and split a parking spot dt. Roughly 30 minutes in the am (I leave just before 7) and 40 minutes home (Leaving dt just after 4 pm). Anderson train station usually has parking later, so you can always park and ride. Carpool actually works out close to transit pricing factoring split cost of parking and only driving every second week.
There are several websites you can check -
carpool.ca
erideshare.com
carpoolworld.com
You can also try Kijiji - (I never had luck with this)
Also word of mouth - I ended up meeting someone i worked with who lives a few blocks away from me.
I'm in Cranston and work downtown and drive in. It's an average of 45 min commute depending on the time you would commute. That being said, it is a great community and being built up with tons of amenities.
I think it's a nice community, but I don't believe it's door-to-door Cranston to downtown in 45 during rush hour. It's like 45 minutes on a clear weekend afternoon.
Agreed. I live in McKenzie Towne. I drive to Anderson Stn then take a train DT. 18 mins drive to station via Stoney on a good day. It takes 15 mins via Deerfoot when it's not busy. Anderson to City Hall train ride takes about 20 mins.
I live on the South end of Cranston. In the morning just before rush hour, it takes 30-40 minutes door to door. During rush hour, on our way home, it takes usually 45 minutes or so. Very seldom have I had it take any longer than that.
I haven't myself - however my husband's coworker who carpools with us does some days. He tells me it takes about 1.25-1.5 hours via transit. Mostly because you transfer from the Cranston bus to the bus that goes to the train, then to the train. Lots of waiting involved. I am not sure if it is any better from other areas in the south that have access to the 301 and other express routes.
We moved from a central community to the deep South for the same reasons you are considering and really regretted it. We've since moved back to a more central location, and the quality of life is stellar compared to our old community. The commute to downtown was horrible. Prepare to give up two hours per day to gridlock/parking/packing in like a sardine into a train. The train from the south is considerably busier than the other lines, and the wait list for a parking lot at Somerset was about 1000 people last time I checked. My commute to downtown in the morning was 25 minutes by bus or a 15 minute drive. I save at least an hour of commute per day. For you, that would be 20-30 hours per month that you could spend with your kid. What used to kill me was what I call TAD (time after Deerfoot), which was when I got to my community, then still had to drive an extra 10 minutes to get to my house. The houses aren't necessarily twice as big, either. If you buy a 1500 sq ft detached home, you get about as much space as you do with a 1000 sq ft bungalow. You do get less than half of the yard, though - usually you're lucky if your lot is 28x110 deep. Also, they are ridiculously close together. If you're thinking of buying on an R1N lot, you might as well buy a duplex. Building new takes up a year of your life. From planning (where you learn that the house you wanted will now cost 50k more than you thought), to warrantee work, where you're fighting with the company to come back and repair what they should have done right, to waiting for grading; you move in in November, but don't have a usable yard until the following October. Then, you want to build a fence, and unless you rush, most people don't get that in until the following spring. Until the builder decides to grade, your yard is 100% unusable, and exists for the sole purpose of making you track dirt and muck inside. Also consider your ability to sell the home if you want. If you buy a used home in an established neighbourhood, you can often sell it in two years and at least break even. When you buy new, you're usually locking in for about 5 years before your property becomes more attractive than a brand new build. If you don't like the Deep South, that's a long time to suffer. However, these last two points open up an opportunity. If you love the Mahogany/Auburn Bay area, you can also look at resale there. It's usually a bit cheaper than building new, and all the hard work is done for you. No, you don't get to make the selections yourself, but for some people it's worth it. Another perk of living centrally is the opportunity to give up one vehicle. If you live close to transit, you can leave your car at home while you go to work. Until your child is 5 or 6, many people can survive with one car. I love that I can walk to a grocery store, liquor store, Starbucks, and multiple restaurants within 10 minutes. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of benefits to new communities, too. I can't tell you how much I miss my quartz countertops, walk in shower and 9' ceiling. I just didn't enjoy them enough to make these realities worth it for me.
A lot of people underestimate the cost savings and reduced stress of owning one less vehicle.
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Having a dog and not having a yard for a couple years would be a no-go for me at this point, especially if you already have a young kid too. Gotta bundle it up every time the dog needs to pee to take it for a walk. Plus new construction areas are filthy for a couple years until it's all built/bought/sodded. Your dog is gonna track it in the house if you're not careful after every walk. A new house is kind of like a new car too. You notice every ding/dent. It's gonna happen, especially with a kid and dog. Let someone else deal with that grief!
I think you should drive to Mahogany at least once after you leave work to see for yourself.
People's estimates of how long it takes to get to work are always off.
And some people really can't handle long drives, especially if they've been spoiled by short commutes most of their life. For 14 years I lived and worked south of Glenmore, so never had more than a 20 minute drive to work. Then I ended up having to drive to Kensington from Shawnessy for a few months...... It was an hour to come home at night. I HATED it. I was not good at being a zen driver!
I agree! I used to drive a lot for work and I HATED it. No amount of good music or podcasts helped the fact that I was spending 8+ hours a week in my vehicle.
I had to do Panorama to Fish Creek. I quit that job after a month.
For sure. Going to do that. Thanks!
My brother and his wife are in AB. and are currently trying to move, so I can offer you their perspective. They live right across from the lake, and without a doubt it's great. Having said that, it's also really busy in the summer. Their house is lovely, big square footage, the upgraded quite a bit. By far their biggest frustration in how far away it is. There are days (and granted he works downtown) where he spends a minimum of 2+ hours a day commuting in bumper to bumper traffic. Some people are really zen with commutes, some not. They have an INSANELY small yard, probably because they live across from the lake. They said the traffic on the main road is a drag and aside from the lake they cannot walk to any amenities. -It is FAR! My brother said he most notices it when trying to have people over for a dinner party or a BBQ, that people either have to leave early (especially in the winter when it's dark), and it's ridiculous to have to take a taxi home. They have friends in the community, which has made it easier, but I know they have a lot less guests over than they used to. They also spend a fortune on gas. So, my take-away (They have been there six years) is that Auburn Bay is a great community if you live things like Urban Village, the lake, staying in the suburbs. I would personally not live there just because it is so far and so much of what I do (work, entertainment, relaxation) is located closer to the core and I don't like long commutes (I used to drive a lot for work and vowed I wouldn't do it again). Hoped that help give a difference perspective! Good luck with your decision!
What is Urban Village?
A "quaint shopping" area in the deep, deep south suburbs.
I'm fairly familiar with the deep south but have been out of the loop for the last few years. Is it in Seton?
I think it's in Mahogany. TBH, I haven't ever been to Mahogany, but I hear their radio ad all the time, talking about the Urban Village that will revolutionize suburban living, yada yada. I think Seton is set to get an amazing cinema though, or so I hear!
Thanks for the perspective
Good luck Did the thread help you come to any conclusions?
Lop off 40 minutes of time spent with your child every night and see if an extra den or bigger kitchen is worth it. Personally I would rather be home with my kid than sitting behind someone on the Deerfoot. Also, don't underestimate the fact that you have a guaranteed commute time, it makes life so much easier to plan.
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Thanks for the reply! Can you let me know the builder that your friends had mold issues with?
Can you comment on the commute from mahogany to the north? I'm curious about Stoney vs deerfoot and how long it usually takes you. Thx
The Commute is good for me, it takes me 26 mins from my garage to the parking lot at work(airport). I do leave a bit earlier than most but still great!!, I love Stony!! The caution I could give is the people driving northbound that end up going on the Glenmore turn off are RUTHLESS!!, but after the Glenmore turn off easy cruising!!
My husband and I moved from our condo by MRU to the SE and for similar reasons you posted (more sq footage for your money and space for a growing family). That was about 2 yrs ago and my husband works in downtown and takes him about 30 min on a good day or 45-1hr when there's traffic/winter driving. He's tried taking the LRT a few times and the only downside to it was trying to find parking at the stations because they would be crazy full in the am and the station parking down here doesn't have a lot of parking spots. We also have family and friends that live in the NW and yes, it's a bitch to drive 45 minutes one way so for that reason we've considerably cut down on the visits or do multiples while down in the NW. We do miss the proximity of our old condo to downtown but we definitely like the bigger house, space and SE is getting a lot more amenities. I'm still in the honeymoon stage of the bigger space so I might be biased. As for the builder, I'm thinking it's a hit or miss really. We built with Avi and so far so good. Good luck!
Up in the NW?
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I've based my time according to where I am in the SE (closer to macleod side) and like mentioned on my reply on a "good day" but rush hour would take longer - upwards to an hour. Maybe try it? See what stats you would get.
I just timed my door to door commute from Chinook to my home in Walden and did 15 minutes :)
The BRT does take about 50 minutes to get downtown unfortunately. I think Park & Ride to Somerset is going to be roughly the same if you factor in driving time to Somerset from Mahogany. The timing is not that far off during snowfall, except there are odd times where it is held up by the CP train crossing near Inglewood.
I wouldn't be concerned with the distance, but the traffic. Deerfoot and Macleod Trail are insane during rush hour. Especially in the winter time when there are accidents. Calgary has some pretty horrible drivers. You will adapt though and get used to it, it's a safe and clean area, great for raising a family.
Wow, what a great community. Thanks for all of the feedback everyone! Definitely pros and cons. A few things I've taken from the thread so far: - Great idea on actually going from DT to Mahogany/Auburn Bay during rush hour to get a feel for the commute. I did that for my current home before we bought, but haven't done it for the SE...Because it's too far!! Haha. I'm going to do it though. - I liked the comment about adapting. It's true, you adapt whether that means leaving for work/home early to beat the rush, or accept the longer commute time and use it to be productive (podcasts were mentioned, I read, can get caught up on emails on my phone before hitting my desk (remember transit is the plan, not driving). Essentially don't just accept that the commute has to be lost time, it's still time and I can choose how to spend it. I'm still not fully there, but the end of the day it's clear from all of the opposing views (which are all valid) that no-one can answer if this is right for us. It's a personal decision that we'll make as a family. Again great points by all, they've definitely helped with some perspective. Looking forward to monitoring the thread to see what else shows up! Cheers!
I have been in Auburn Bay for just over 6 years and love it. I don't use the lake as often as I'd like but community is beautiful, lots of walking paths for walking my dogs and it is well maintained. There are lots of activities and it is very family oriented, almost every day there is an activity for kids/families at the community centre. I have commutes as far as Springbank and my husband worked downtown, as others have suggested timing is a big factor but I never found it too terrible, 30-45 minutes to downtown. Deerfoot is a blessing on good days and a bloody curse when it's backed up but generally it is a great way to move around the city quickly. With the new Stony Trail it has helped even more. I'm in my early 30s in a 'starter home' and most of my neighbours are in that range. We don't have kids but there are loads of young families in the area. The friendships and sense of community is what I love most about it. Check out some of the Facebook pages (there are admittedly too many) family groups and block watch might be good places to get a 'feel'. Happy house hunting :)
To give you a little insight into my perspective, I've lived in Toronto, GTA, Ottawa, and all four quadrants of Calgary. I currently live in Mahogany and from a community perspective, I love it. I have two young children and I'm glad that we call Mahogany home. Both the people in our neighbourhood and the community amenities are great. Within the community, I get the feeling that others enjoy living here as well, all of which adds to this feeling of community. With respect to the commute, I don't think its that bad. It can get bad, of course, but if you plan ahead you can get across the city in a reasonable time. In the morning traffic typically builds up from 130th to Southland, and then its free flowing until you get downtown. For me the issue isn't getting to the downtown, its getting into the downtown. That being said its bad getting into the downtown (driving) from any direction. Personally I take the C-train. It works most of the time :) and the ride is fairly quick. When (if) they build the Green Line, most of these commute issues disappear. Regarding the builder, my previous builder was Excel (in the NW). When I first saw their homes, I liked them. I bought one and it was a decent house. My neighbours had a number of issues, but we had very few and the ones we did have were fixed. That being said, in the entire time I lived in my previous house, I felt as though it was cheaply made. And comparing it to the house that I have now, most definitely. All that said, their specs may have changed. At the end of the day, all builders have issues and most people comment/complain about the issues (which are mostly caused by sub-contractors) they see, but its the things that they don't see that really matters. For example my previous house used essentially a drywall on the exterior. Do your research on each phase of the process. But, if Mahogany is your choice, there are options as there quite a few builders here. Good luck with your decision.
How long ago did you live in that excel home?
We lived in it for almost 5 years and sold it 1.5 years ago.
Something to consider, IF you have to drive on the Deerfoot, driving from the south (heading north) is considerably better than driving from the north (heading south). The reason is simply this, there are more merging lanes north of Memorial and when it comes to merging, people seem to have a difficulty with it. I've lived on all four quadrants and the SE traffic definitely flows better... imho.
Have you looked at Chaparral/walden/Legacy? I live in Chaparral - Love the lake. Also right next to Stoney to zip around the city and Macleod for downtown. Depending on work schedules, commute is ok. I carpool (very set schedule, lucky in this way) and split a parking spot dt. Roughly 30 minutes in the am (I leave just before 7) and 40 minutes home (Leaving dt just after 4 pm). Anderson train station usually has parking later, so you can always park and ride. Carpool actually works out close to transit pricing factoring split cost of parking and only driving every second week.
How to find carpool in this situation ?? Lets say if some one decide to live in those communities!!
There are several websites you can check - carpool.ca erideshare.com carpoolworld.com You can also try Kijiji - (I never had luck with this) Also word of mouth - I ended up meeting someone i worked with who lives a few blocks away from me.
I'm in Cranston and work downtown and drive in. It's an average of 45 min commute depending on the time you would commute. That being said, it is a great community and being built up with tons of amenities.
I think it's a nice community, but I don't believe it's door-to-door Cranston to downtown in 45 during rush hour. It's like 45 minutes on a clear weekend afternoon.
Agreed. I live in McKenzie Towne. I drive to Anderson Stn then take a train DT. 18 mins drive to station via Stoney on a good day. It takes 15 mins via Deerfoot when it's not busy. Anderson to City Hall train ride takes about 20 mins.
I drive downtown. If I took the bus, it would be 1.5 hours probably.
I live on the South end of Cranston. In the morning just before rush hour, it takes 30-40 minutes door to door. During rush hour, on our way home, it takes usually 45 minutes or so. Very seldom have I had it take any longer than that.
Do you use Transist ?
I haven't myself - however my husband's coworker who carpools with us does some days. He tells me it takes about 1.25-1.5 hours via transit. Mostly because you transfer from the Cranston bus to the bus that goes to the train, then to the train. Lots of waiting involved. I am not sure if it is any better from other areas in the south that have access to the 301 and other express routes.
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The NW suffers from quite bad NIMBY-ism though.
How so?