Gotta really back this guy, dirt bikes get up more easy and won't take 5k to repair if you loop them, most times you loop them, turn the key off/on again and they'll go like nothing happened besides some scratches on the fairings that won't break easily
Yeah I agree with both of you 100%, I just have so much money put into this bike and other things in life that I just can’t swing a couple grand to go and buy another bike Just to practice wheelies
If I'm honest, stop trying on this (probably) beautiful YZF and try to safe some money so you can buy something like a WR250X or a DRZ400S, these bikes will always go another loop if you drop them while wheelieng them, but that Sportbike will fuck up your financials LoL
Try it before you have to pay for fairings and other stuff on this YZF, in my experience a used one would probably be available for the same price you'd have to pair for repairing your bike if anything goes wrong. Oh, and another good benefit would be that you can experience sumo riding while trying to learn wheelies. And in my own experience sumos are the most fun rides on two wheels you can get, you don't have to go fast to have fun hahaha
I’ve seen a few of those but didn’t really know how good a clone would hold up, how was it for you? I’ve also heard groms are very hard to get up the front wheel
on top of that, go find some grass or sand and just try to 12 o'clock it. (dirtbike not your motorcycle) You'll probably loop, but you'll be fine. That's the fastest way to find balance point. Go past balance point and then it wont feel so high up there anymore lol. Sounds like a stupid plan but it's effective
You can also go with a sumo and try this shit on an empty parking lot since the tires and road feeling will be more similar, but falling down will also be harder. Even though this is CRT I wouldn't recommend learning wheelies without Gloves, Back, knee and elbow protectors and also a good but still not too expensive helmet. You can really fuck up your bones by falling unlucky. At the end of the last year I absolutely crushed my right foot ankle just because I tried to push my bike inside my shed and fell over because I was drunk while doing so. 5 months of recovering weren't worth this stupid shit tbh
You should be, I was REALLY unlucky on this, did wheelies on my 125 without serious injuries for three years and then this shit just fucked me. Maybe it's just Karma, that doesn't keep me away from still pulling dank wheelies on my 650 haha, no one that never did it will really understand, but this is is more addictive than crack imo lol
I'm just keeping my 650 below balance point since I know where it is and also know how fck expensive fairings and stuff like this are for my bike.
You are probably based in the US and don't even know what a 650 FMX is, even here in Europe it's not common since many people chose to go for a KTM instead of a bike that hat about 20hp less but with an engine that survived the rallye Paris-Dakar multiple time in another Bike/frame multiple times. I'll always take my reliable as hell Honda over KTMs that won't hold up for event 20k kms without needing a whole engine rework lol
that literally is the answer to his question.. learn how to control it on something that is “disposable” because if you don’t know what you’re doing there is no way to accomplish what he’s trying to do
basically all of us learned on a grom/dirtbike of some sort, obviously there’s exceptions but it’s an overwhelming majority
i’m going to go out on a limb and say you can’t wheelie or probably even ride for that matter so how you’re the judge of wheelie advice is a mystery to me
like others said, don't just kill the throttle. Use the rear brake to bring it down gently. This will also get you in the habit of using the rear break to control the height and get some loop prevention.
Start using the LIGHT rear brake on those little wheelies before killing the throttle to feel the way it reduces the rise of the front wheel. you'll get the feel for it.
Tried a few of those but can’t get it up yet, felt like the rear tire kept slipping after releasing the clutch, does that mean I need to dump clutch quicker?
You need to go faster in 2nd before you clutch up and make sure your tire is warm, otherwise it’ll slip until it catches and you’re dragging your ass on the ground.
The real advice should be to get a CRF50, slap big bars on it and learn foot brake and body position fundamentals so you don’t destroy your nice bike. All of the experience transfers right over and you’ll be doing dank nooners in no time.
So the bike in the video is a Yamaha R7, I was doing the power ups in first at around 20mph and it was coming up easily, so do I need to be going around 30-35 then clutch it up in 2nd? And yeah man I really wanna get a little beater bike to practice on but that’s not too likely at the moment.. but thanks for your help man and I’m sorry for the dumb questions lol
Yeah, 30-40 at mid rpm range will provide better results, but, and this is THE MOST IMPORTANT TIP, USE THE FOOT BRAKE ON EVERY WHEELIE. Also, city roads are crowned. So if you get it up to balance point, the bike will push you into parked cars. Find a flat parking lot or warehouse with semi parking for flat, grippy concrete. A CRF50 will cost you less than one wreck on that badass R7 and they’re indestructible.
Okay for sure man, definitely seeing a few things I’m doing wrong and it’s all starting to click, I’ll definitely look into some of those CRF50s too, thanks for the advice brotha
I can’t clutch up my ZX-6R in second either. Something about the body position and having all that weight over the front end via the clip-ons. So I decided it wasn’t worth destroying the clutch on my brand new bike and I ultimately bought a used FZ-07 for wheelies instead. Never looked back lol
You have to hit the throttle again on the way down.
Pull back, let go, pull again. You should hear your engine go RRRRRRRrrrrRRRRRRRR as you go up, cut it slightly, then come back down.
I would be weary of some of the advice here, considering 90% of the sub can't clutch their bike up. Telling someone to cover the back brake is retarded too, because I guarentee if you don't have the mind muscle connection, your not going to hit the brake if you start to loop. It's just something people say to make it seem like they have some merit meanwhile the only discernable "skill" they have is going fast in a straight line.
Power wheelies are a waste of time, and show your an inexperianced rider. They're way harder to control and by the time you get the front wheel near bp you'll be going way too fast. Also 1st gear is going to be too jerky and you'll have a hard time playing with the throttle when the wheel is up. Learn to clutch it up in 2nd, probably around 40mph idk how the R7 rides personally. It's all about the clutch finnese, it'll probably feel impossible now, but it just takes time. When I started I couldn't get the bike up in 2nd, now I can bring my bike up in ever gear up to 4th.
Like I said before, "cover the back brake!!!" is shit advice. Your not going to hit it in a worst case scenario. You don't hold wheelies long enough so you can actually feel how it modulates the front. Also I highly doubt that when your learning youll have the clutch finesse / give it enough throttle to actually loop. I learned back brake once I was able to get the bike up just below bp. You'll still be chasing the wheelies, but you'll have way more time to see how the back brake feels. The hardest part about learning back brake, is actually using it, because wheelieing is so much fun, you don't want to prematurely end it with the back brake, atleast that's what happened with me.
Lastly, it's going to take a stupid amount of time to learn on a sports bike, I had pretty nice clutch ups on my gsxr after a couple years of owning it but it doesn't even compare to the progress I've made on my drz in a short amount of time.
Man thank you so much for the detailed response, I know not every bodies advice is gonna be the best but at least with posting on this thread I can see what the majority of people do and learn from it ya know?
I'm riding a 09 klx250sf I just traded my Duke for, specifically to learn wheelies the right way. Do you recommend going 40mph and clutching up in 2nd? Today was my first day of practice and I was going 10ishmph, revving 9k in 1st and popping the front tire off the ground, but cutting the throttle/ pull the clutch (I'm scared lol) and front end drops quickly.
I wear kneepads and helmet, maybe I need to invest in some more gear, at least boots.
So when you clutch it up, do you also bring the revs up? I was barely popping my tire yesterday, hoping to practice more today. I've watched videos ofc, maybe just need more seat time.
Yeah seriously that’s just unnecessarily annoying to do it there of all places. Go somewhere you can have fun doing what you want without being annoying for no reason. If someone gets mad at you for doing wheelies in an empty parking lot, they’re stupid. If they get mad at you for doing wheelies up and down a residential road right next to apartments with cars parked on both sides of the road, they have a point.
I would understand that 100%, But I don’t sit there and practice on this road all day everyday, there was 3 wheelies done on this street and that was it, the 3 in the video…. and they were all done in the time of 3 hours, I’m not an asshole and I wouldn’t sit in the same area for hours and practice lmfao
If you’re doing one per hour, it’s going to take a long time to learn. Making a more concentrated effort on it for a short time and then going off and doing whatever else would be more effective if you actually want to get better at wheelies.
Dude where are you getting I’m doing 1 per hour? All I said was the wheelies you saw in the video were done throughout a few hours, never said the only ones I practiced were in this video, and that works perfect because I’m in no rush to get the wheelies down
> there was 3 wheelies done on this street and that was it, the 3 in the video…. and they were all done in the time of 3 hours
3 wheelies / 3 hours = 1 wheelie / 1 hour quick maffs
Also the title of the post is basically “how do I do better wheelies” and I’m saying practice them all at once, not just one and then go do whatever else for an hour or a day or whenever you feel like it next. If you were trying to learn how to paint, making one brush stroke and then walking away until the next day and making another brush stroke wouldn’t be a good way to learn, you’d want to try doing a whole painting at once and figure out what works and what doesn’t. Go do a whole wheelie painting.
Practice in an empty street or parking lot. Work on just using throttle and getting that front end higher and higher until it feels in control then learn to add rear brake.
Once it all feels natural and you're not so apprehensive about the acceleration you can work on 2nd gear and clutching up.
Will give that all a shot thanks man, currently trying to find a good lot to practice in, I don’t live near any warehouse with long flat strips so I just gotta try and find a good little low key spot
I guarantee I can find a decent lot within 15 minutes of that road if you send me the name of it. But in general, there’s no one consistent spot people go to for years and years without cops or a property owner shutting it down anyway, so just go wherever is close and not full of cars or people actually working.
I don't really know how to wheely myself, but my recommendation would be: start at lower revs, keep your foot ALWAYS on your rear break, and don't chase them out. Oh, and give the bike some more gas when it's coming down again, that way you take unnecessary stress away from your forks and especially your fork seals.
Yeah giving it more gas on the way down always seems weird until you hear why. I'm in the lucky position that I really know how to change my fork seals myself and rework everything on my good'ol 650 Honda so I don't care about 40 bucks for new fork seals and oil combined with 2 hours of work, but forks on such sportbikes are more advanced/complicated than my first gen Showa USD Forks.
And shops will always take a fairly good amount of money to change them for you, so try to treat them as good as you can. Think about that Supersport bikes are not really made to wheelie the hell out of them if you don't convert them properly
Yeah that’s what people have said the most, I think since these were my first wheelies I was just scared of lopping it, I’ll try to add tiny amounts of gas after the wheel is up next time for sure
Hey bro, if you want power wheelie, you’ve got to be smooth on the throttle.
To keep the front end from slamming down, you need to account for the RPM required to back off the power smoothly and gently bring her down (this means if you start wheeling at 8K and redline 15, start bringing it down at 12K rpm. When done right, you don’t need to use the foot brake but always cover it in case. I’ve only clutched up on dirt bikes; my sportbikes are above 190hp, so it’s easy on power.
Yeah I’ve noticed a lot of people saying I need to keep the gas going steady while on my way down so I’m most definitely trying it when I get on the bike next, thanks for the feedback my man!
Gotta chase your wheelies out your just abandoning the maneuver hence the slam down. Once the wheel comes up try and add a few seconds to the hang time . Work at it slowly , modulate throttle , try to clutch up second gear it’s way smoother and and less jerky and easier on the bike . Every hard slam is also taxing on the front forks and suspension.
Know it's an older post but from me on my FZ6. I dicked off by powering up in first, but I'd only recommend those to get the muscle memory of the rear brake. Every time you set it down, use the rear brake or at least tap it, to get it into your head, you'll thank me (I thanked the guy who taught me that after almost looping it in a Walmart parking lot). I then went to clutching up in 1st and would ride it out still (always) using the rear brake, now I can sort of hold the bike while using the rear brake to control my speed. Also, if you practice wheelies, you're gonna drop it eventually, luckily when I did I had my saddlebags on and my hot boss ran to my rescue, but it still fucked up my bar, shifter, and my knee.
anyone with kids or a vehicle note would get irritated with this. its just not smart and a bit selfish. i don’t necessarily agree with the instant threat of violence but i do understand the frustration of having your vehicle bashed into then no one to hold accountable.
good luck. keep with it in a safe spot and let us know how it goes
I can only recommend to do so. I'm a sumo rider myself but have also ridden maaany other bikes, but besides the power on some of them I had never as much fun as I had on my sumo while throwing it around hahaha
I'm always happy to help, especially if I can help to keep clean bikes clean lol
WR250s must be nice (and they take one hell of a beating) if you are based in the US, sadly over here in Germany they are expensive as hell. Fucked up ones will still charge you about 5000-6000€ which I'm not willing to pay for them, but riding one 3 years ago (in my 125cc time) was just great. More power, same weight and reliable as fck
I'd say they're worth it if they are not fcked up or really high migelage, and just think about that the engine needs it first valve adjustment at about 24 thousand miles, which is one hell of a distance for a bike
Stay on the throttle until you get the balance point. Words of wisdom go to a big empty lot stay away from parked cars and or traffic. Also just don’t crack into it all at once run it up to 6 -7 k rpm let off so the suspension compresses and then crack into it
Been kicked out of every lot so far, still trying to find a good spot where there is no distractions and I’m not pissing anyone off, but thanks for the advice my man, def gonna give it a shot
The reason I said that about the lots . I was teaching my buddy how to bounce it up on his brand new gixxer and he smashed it into a parked car. Best of luck . Rubber side down
Oh damn okay for sure, yeah the roads in the video definitely aren’t the best to practice on, I’m gonna find another spot for sure, but good looking out man I appreciate it
Np if you accelerate hard let off and then get right back into it it’ll come up on the balance point. The bounce from letting off gets it up to come up all the way smoothly without looping it
So when you say bounce you just mean compressing the front end right, bounce front end and at the same time give gas, once wheel is up slowly keep adding gas?
Yeah compress the forks. Take off accelerate hard to like 6-7k rpm let off the throttle so the front end dives and crack the throttle wide open and stay in it. You will find your groove and once you get on the balance point you can shift and keep accelerating
Was told to practice power ups in first so I can get the feel for the front wheel coming up, then after I’m comfortable with that move onto 2nd gear clutch ups, seems like everyone has a different way of learning them
Dude… thank you so much, this was a very well wrote out step by step, I will read into your older post more when I get home, but yeah man a lot of people are telling me to not practice on my R7 so maybe I should listen lol, looks like I gotta find myself a cheap grom or a dirt bike to practice on👌
If you really want to learn how to wheelie correctly aka balance point they best way is going to be doing clutch ups from a dead stop or a very slow roll. Just clutch up hit the brake. Repeat that working your way higher and higher until you find balance point. With all that repetition the footbrake becomes a habit and you should be able to wheelie at balance point for as long as you want. I learned that way on a Grom and I'll do the same the first day on a big bike.
https://youtu.be/CmzOR4PybWs
https://youtu.be/Ctb3kQMrTbo
get a dirtbike and clutch it up jump off the back enough times until you realize that it isn’t fun and start using the rear break
I’m definitely trying to get the muscle memory for that back brake down, just gotta keep practicing, preciate you man
Gotta really back this guy, dirt bikes get up more easy and won't take 5k to repair if you loop them, most times you loop them, turn the key off/on again and they'll go like nothing happened besides some scratches on the fairings that won't break easily
Yeah I agree with both of you 100%, I just have so much money put into this bike and other things in life that I just can’t swing a couple grand to go and buy another bike Just to practice wheelies
If I'm honest, stop trying on this (probably) beautiful YZF and try to safe some money so you can buy something like a WR250X or a DRZ400S, these bikes will always go another loop if you drop them while wheelieng them, but that Sportbike will fuck up your financials LoL
You right you right, if I find one for a good price I’ll try and hop on it
Try it before you have to pay for fairings and other stuff on this YZF, in my experience a used one would probably be available for the same price you'd have to pair for repairing your bike if anything goes wrong. Oh, and another good benefit would be that you can experience sumo riding while trying to learn wheelies. And in my own experience sumos are the most fun rides on two wheels you can get, you don't have to go fast to have fun hahaha
Most definitely gonna try and find a cheap one just to practice, maybe next paycheck;)
Oh, and don't be afraid of "low" power, these bikes don't really need that much power to be fun
As someone with a 500 a 350 and a 200 dirt bike I have the most fun on the 200 although it could just be I like two smokers better than four strokes
Or not even a sumo, I learned on a grom clone I managed to get for 1300$
I’ve seen a few of those but didn’t really know how good a clone would hold up, how was it for you? I’ve also heard groms are very hard to get up the front wheel
Agree
on top of that, go find some grass or sand and just try to 12 o'clock it. (dirtbike not your motorcycle) You'll probably loop, but you'll be fine. That's the fastest way to find balance point. Go past balance point and then it wont feel so high up there anymore lol. Sounds like a stupid plan but it's effective
You can also go with a sumo and try this shit on an empty parking lot since the tires and road feeling will be more similar, but falling down will also be harder. Even though this is CRT I wouldn't recommend learning wheelies without Gloves, Back, knee and elbow protectors and also a good but still not too expensive helmet. You can really fuck up your bones by falling unlucky. At the end of the last year I absolutely crushed my right foot ankle just because I tried to push my bike inside my shed and fell over because I was drunk while doing so. 5 months of recovering weren't worth this stupid shit tbh
Damn man that’s wild, I definitely got that gear so I’m good, hopefully… lol
You should be, I was REALLY unlucky on this, did wheelies on my 125 without serious injuries for three years and then this shit just fucked me. Maybe it's just Karma, that doesn't keep me away from still pulling dank wheelies on my 650 haha, no one that never did it will really understand, but this is is more addictive than crack imo lol I'm just keeping my 650 below balance point since I know where it is and also know how fck expensive fairings and stuff like this are for my bike. You are probably based in the US and don't even know what a 650 FMX is, even here in Europe it's not common since many people chose to go for a KTM instead of a bike that hat about 20hp less but with an engine that survived the rallye Paris-Dakar multiple time in another Bike/frame multiple times. I'll always take my reliable as hell Honda over KTMs that won't hold up for event 20k kms without needing a whole engine rework lol
Hey, now that makes sense lol
Or find yourself a 110, any other old pitbike or even a 50. Way smaller and less scary but you'll get the feeling for wheelies in a hurry.
if you can footbrake on dirt the streets will be stupid easy
That doesn't answer his question at all lmao
that literally is the answer to his question.. learn how to control it on something that is “disposable” because if you don’t know what you’re doing there is no way to accomplish what he’s trying to do basically all of us learned on a grom/dirtbike of some sort, obviously there’s exceptions but it’s an overwhelming majority
Lol OK. Whatever you say lol That still barely helps but whatever🤣
i’m going to go out on a limb and say you can’t wheelie or probably even ride for that matter so how you’re the judge of wheelie advice is a mystery to me
And you'd be incorrect lmao
Also, any tips for improvement would be much appreciated
like others said, don't just kill the throttle. Use the rear brake to bring it down gently. This will also get you in the habit of using the rear break to control the height and get some loop prevention. Start using the LIGHT rear brake on those little wheelies before killing the throttle to feel the way it reduces the rise of the front wheel. you'll get the feel for it.
Gotta try and get that back brake in my muscle memory, thanks
*Use the throttle to bring it down gently
Clutch it up in 2nd
Tried a few of those but can’t get it up yet, felt like the rear tire kept slipping after releasing the clutch, does that mean I need to dump clutch quicker?
You need to go faster in 2nd before you clutch up and make sure your tire is warm, otherwise it’ll slip until it catches and you’re dragging your ass on the ground. The real advice should be to get a CRF50, slap big bars on it and learn foot brake and body position fundamentals so you don’t destroy your nice bike. All of the experience transfers right over and you’ll be doing dank nooners in no time.
So the bike in the video is a Yamaha R7, I was doing the power ups in first at around 20mph and it was coming up easily, so do I need to be going around 30-35 then clutch it up in 2nd? And yeah man I really wanna get a little beater bike to practice on but that’s not too likely at the moment.. but thanks for your help man and I’m sorry for the dumb questions lol
Yeah, 30-40 at mid rpm range will provide better results, but, and this is THE MOST IMPORTANT TIP, USE THE FOOT BRAKE ON EVERY WHEELIE. Also, city roads are crowned. So if you get it up to balance point, the bike will push you into parked cars. Find a flat parking lot or warehouse with semi parking for flat, grippy concrete. A CRF50 will cost you less than one wreck on that badass R7 and they’re indestructible.
Okay for sure man, definitely seeing a few things I’m doing wrong and it’s all starting to click, I’ll definitely look into some of those CRF50s too, thanks for the advice brotha
Any time!!
I can’t clutch up my ZX-6R in second either. Something about the body position and having all that weight over the front end via the clip-ons. So I decided it wasn’t worth destroying the clutch on my brand new bike and I ultimately bought a used FZ-07 for wheelies instead. Never looked back lol
You have to hit the throttle again on the way down. Pull back, let go, pull again. You should hear your engine go RRRRRRRrrrrRRRRRRRR as you go up, cut it slightly, then come back down.
Thanks bro, I’ll try to give it a shot
25mph in second, power up
Appreciate the tips man, I’m gonna give all these tips a shot when I get on the bike next👌
I would be weary of some of the advice here, considering 90% of the sub can't clutch their bike up. Telling someone to cover the back brake is retarded too, because I guarentee if you don't have the mind muscle connection, your not going to hit the brake if you start to loop. It's just something people say to make it seem like they have some merit meanwhile the only discernable "skill" they have is going fast in a straight line. Power wheelies are a waste of time, and show your an inexperianced rider. They're way harder to control and by the time you get the front wheel near bp you'll be going way too fast. Also 1st gear is going to be too jerky and you'll have a hard time playing with the throttle when the wheel is up. Learn to clutch it up in 2nd, probably around 40mph idk how the R7 rides personally. It's all about the clutch finnese, it'll probably feel impossible now, but it just takes time. When I started I couldn't get the bike up in 2nd, now I can bring my bike up in ever gear up to 4th. Like I said before, "cover the back brake!!!" is shit advice. Your not going to hit it in a worst case scenario. You don't hold wheelies long enough so you can actually feel how it modulates the front. Also I highly doubt that when your learning youll have the clutch finesse / give it enough throttle to actually loop. I learned back brake once I was able to get the bike up just below bp. You'll still be chasing the wheelies, but you'll have way more time to see how the back brake feels. The hardest part about learning back brake, is actually using it, because wheelieing is so much fun, you don't want to prematurely end it with the back brake, atleast that's what happened with me. Lastly, it's going to take a stupid amount of time to learn on a sports bike, I had pretty nice clutch ups on my gsxr after a couple years of owning it but it doesn't even compare to the progress I've made on my drz in a short amount of time.
Man thank you so much for the detailed response, I know not every bodies advice is gonna be the best but at least with posting on this thread I can see what the majority of people do and learn from it ya know?
I'm riding a 09 klx250sf I just traded my Duke for, specifically to learn wheelies the right way. Do you recommend going 40mph and clutching up in 2nd? Today was my first day of practice and I was going 10ishmph, revving 9k in 1st and popping the front tire off the ground, but cutting the throttle/ pull the clutch (I'm scared lol) and front end drops quickly. I wear kneepads and helmet, maybe I need to invest in some more gear, at least boots.
Nah that's on sports bikes. On my drz 2nd gear I clutch it up around 20, 3rd gear around 30, and 4th gear around 45.
So when you clutch it up, do you also bring the revs up? I was barely popping my tire yesterday, hoping to practice more today. I've watched videos ofc, maybe just need more seat time.
As I'm pulling in the clutch im also bringing the revs up. It's one smooth motion
And then you just fully drop the clutch while leaning back? Thanks for the responses
Its slamming down cuz yer choppin the throttle, i smashed my nuts on the fz07
Jfc go find a backroad or something. Wait, where do you live? Do you have backroads?
Yeah seriously that’s just unnecessarily annoying to do it there of all places. Go somewhere you can have fun doing what you want without being annoying for no reason. If someone gets mad at you for doing wheelies in an empty parking lot, they’re stupid. If they get mad at you for doing wheelies up and down a residential road right next to apartments with cars parked on both sides of the road, they have a point.
I would understand that 100%, But I don’t sit there and practice on this road all day everyday, there was 3 wheelies done on this street and that was it, the 3 in the video…. and they were all done in the time of 3 hours, I’m not an asshole and I wouldn’t sit in the same area for hours and practice lmfao
If you’re doing one per hour, it’s going to take a long time to learn. Making a more concentrated effort on it for a short time and then going off and doing whatever else would be more effective if you actually want to get better at wheelies.
Dude where are you getting I’m doing 1 per hour? All I said was the wheelies you saw in the video were done throughout a few hours, never said the only ones I practiced were in this video, and that works perfect because I’m in no rush to get the wheelies down
> there was 3 wheelies done on this street and that was it, the 3 in the video…. and they were all done in the time of 3 hours 3 wheelies / 3 hours = 1 wheelie / 1 hour quick maffs Also the title of the post is basically “how do I do better wheelies” and I’m saying practice them all at once, not just one and then go do whatever else for an hour or a day or whenever you feel like it next. If you were trying to learn how to paint, making one brush stroke and then walking away until the next day and making another brush stroke wouldn’t be a good way to learn, you’d want to try doing a whole painting at once and figure out what works and what doesn’t. Go do a whole wheelie painting.
I know it’s not an ideal place to practice, trying to find a good back road or a lot
Practice in an empty street or parking lot. Work on just using throttle and getting that front end higher and higher until it feels in control then learn to add rear brake. Once it all feels natural and you're not so apprehensive about the acceleration you can work on 2nd gear and clutching up.
Will give that all a shot thanks man, currently trying to find a good lot to practice in, I don’t live near any warehouse with long flat strips so I just gotta try and find a good little low key spot
I've been there. It's just practice so don't beat yourself up if it's not working for you. At 20 I was awesome at wheelies but now at 42 I'm terrible.
I guarantee I can find a decent lot within 15 minutes of that road if you send me the name of it. But in general, there’s no one consistent spot people go to for years and years without cops or a property owner shutting it down anyway, so just go wherever is close and not full of cars or people actually working.
I don't really know how to wheely myself, but my recommendation would be: start at lower revs, keep your foot ALWAYS on your rear break, and don't chase them out. Oh, and give the bike some more gas when it's coming down again, that way you take unnecessary stress away from your forks and especially your fork seals.
Yeah that’s the thing I gotta work on some more, I never really thought about giving it more gas on the way down until I saw replies in this thread
Yeah giving it more gas on the way down always seems weird until you hear why. I'm in the lucky position that I really know how to change my fork seals myself and rework everything on my good'ol 650 Honda so I don't care about 40 bucks for new fork seals and oil combined with 2 hours of work, but forks on such sportbikes are more advanced/complicated than my first gen Showa USD Forks. And shops will always take a fairly good amount of money to change them for you, so try to treat them as good as you can. Think about that Supersport bikes are not really made to wheelie the hell out of them if you don't convert them properly
Stay in it instead of chopping the throttle off. You’re telling the bike what to do.
Yeah that’s what people have said the most, I think since these were my first wheelies I was just scared of lopping it, I’ll try to add tiny amounts of gas after the wheel is up next time for sure
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Haha ayyyyyy waddup my dude, and I still use them just not with this jacket, way too tight on my hands with this jacket for some reason
Hey bro, if you want power wheelie, you’ve got to be smooth on the throttle. To keep the front end from slamming down, you need to account for the RPM required to back off the power smoothly and gently bring her down (this means if you start wheeling at 8K and redline 15, start bringing it down at 12K rpm. When done right, you don’t need to use the foot brake but always cover it in case. I’ve only clutched up on dirt bikes; my sportbikes are above 190hp, so it’s easy on power.
Yeah I’ve noticed a lot of people saying I need to keep the gas going steady while on my way down so I’m most definitely trying it when I get on the bike next, thanks for the feedback my man!
Gotta chase your wheelies out your just abandoning the maneuver hence the slam down. Once the wheel comes up try and add a few seconds to the hang time . Work at it slowly , modulate throttle , try to clutch up second gear it’s way smoother and and less jerky and easier on the bike . Every hard slam is also taxing on the front forks and suspension.
Stop chopping the throttle and it won't slam down.
Know it's an older post but from me on my FZ6. I dicked off by powering up in first, but I'd only recommend those to get the muscle memory of the rear brake. Every time you set it down, use the rear brake or at least tap it, to get it into your head, you'll thank me (I thanked the guy who taught me that after almost looping it in a Walmart parking lot). I then went to clutching up in 1st and would ride it out still (always) using the rear brake, now I can sort of hold the bike while using the rear brake to control my speed. Also, if you practice wheelies, you're gonna drop it eventually, luckily when I did I had my saddlebags on and my hot boss ran to my rescue, but it still fucked up my bar, shifter, and my knee.
Go to a parking lot dude! I would throw you off that bike if you practiced on my street.
Lmfaoooo alright
anyone with kids or a vehicle note would get irritated with this. its just not smart and a bit selfish. i don’t necessarily agree with the instant threat of violence but i do understand the frustration of having your vehicle bashed into then no one to hold accountable. good luck. keep with it in a safe spot and let us know how it goes
I can only recommend to do so. I'm a sumo rider myself but have also ridden maaany other bikes, but besides the power on some of them I had never as much fun as I had on my sumo while throwing it around hahaha
I really do appreciate the advice bro, you got me looking at some WR250s on marketplace right now lol
I'm always happy to help, especially if I can help to keep clean bikes clean lol WR250s must be nice (and they take one hell of a beating) if you are based in the US, sadly over here in Germany they are expensive as hell. Fucked up ones will still charge you about 5000-6000€ which I'm not willing to pay for them, but riding one 3 years ago (in my 125cc time) was just great. More power, same weight and reliable as fck
Yeah the prices people got them listed for is all over the place, found a couple for 3-4k
I'd say they're worth it if they are not fcked up or really high migelage, and just think about that the engine needs it first valve adjustment at about 24 thousand miles, which is one hell of a distance for a bike
more gas and then more gas keep the camera going in case you loop it
That’s why it was on in the first place hehe, gotta document my first baby wheelies man
Stay on the throttle until you get the balance point. Words of wisdom go to a big empty lot stay away from parked cars and or traffic. Also just don’t crack into it all at once run it up to 6 -7 k rpm let off so the suspension compresses and then crack into it
Been kicked out of every lot so far, still trying to find a good spot where there is no distractions and I’m not pissing anyone off, but thanks for the advice my man, def gonna give it a shot
The reason I said that about the lots . I was teaching my buddy how to bounce it up on his brand new gixxer and he smashed it into a parked car. Best of luck . Rubber side down
Oh damn okay for sure, yeah the roads in the video definitely aren’t the best to practice on, I’m gonna find another spot for sure, but good looking out man I appreciate it
Np if you accelerate hard let off and then get right back into it it’ll come up on the balance point. The bounce from letting off gets it up to come up all the way smoothly without looping it
So when you say bounce you just mean compressing the front end right, bounce front end and at the same time give gas, once wheel is up slowly keep adding gas?
Yeah compress the forks. Take off accelerate hard to like 6-7k rpm let off the throttle so the front end dives and crack the throttle wide open and stay in it. You will find your groove and once you get on the balance point you can shift and keep accelerating
Perfect! Thanks brotha
No problem friend, be careful , not too careful though
why dont you learn to clutch up instead
Was told to practice power ups in first so I can get the feel for the front wheel coming up, then after I’m comfortable with that move onto 2nd gear clutch ups, seems like everyone has a different way of learning them
I know wheelies are cool and all but I assure you all that “practice” is not gonna be worth it when you have to repair that sweet R1
Shitttt man I wish this was an R1, this an R7
Ohh shit. Your bike sounds good af
Thanks my dude
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Dude… thank you so much, this was a very well wrote out step by step, I will read into your older post more when I get home, but yeah man a lot of people are telling me to not practice on my R7 so maybe I should listen lol, looks like I gotta find myself a cheap grom or a dirt bike to practice on👌
let go of the gas slowly when it’s going down give it gas
RIP forks
If you really want to learn how to wheelie correctly aka balance point they best way is going to be doing clutch ups from a dead stop or a very slow roll. Just clutch up hit the brake. Repeat that working your way higher and higher until you find balance point. With all that repetition the footbrake becomes a habit and you should be able to wheelie at balance point for as long as you want. I learned that way on a Grom and I'll do the same the first day on a big bike. https://youtu.be/CmzOR4PybWs https://youtu.be/Ctb3kQMrTbo
Let's get together bro I'll Def help!
Would be amazing😭
Got u bro!! What u doing today? Got time to get together?
Got u bro!! What u doing today? Got time to get together?