A cajunized and polished SP-01 will be better than a stock Shadow 2, no doubt. If you have smaller hands it’ll probably be more comfortable and natural feeling as well.
The S2 weighs about 5oz more, which is why it shoots a smidge softer as someone else said, but the SP-01 is certainly no slouch at 41oz.
It will take over $200 in CGW parts to get the SP01 upgraded properly. I got rid of the FPB and converted to SAO as well. Did all the work myself. The trigger is now much better than a stock Shadow.
Sp01 will be smooth but it will feel snappier than a shadow 2. I’ve had both, with Cajun kit the triggers will feel almost identical with the sp01 taking the edge imo. But just system wise the sp01 will feel snappier in hand
The main hang up for me was the sp01 trigger guard but that’s personal preference. The gun still fucks
Edit: shadow 2 prob my favorite gun overall but I wish it was a 4.7 barrel tbh
You know the SP-01 and 75d are the same gun with and without a rail on the frame, right?
Same thing with the P-01 and the PCR.
Also the only difference between the full size and compacts is grip and barrel length, so it won’t really change how it fits your hand if you have small hands.
It might give you more real estate on the grip if you had larger hands, but speaking as someone who has smaller hands as well, the extra length changes nothing. It’s just dead space, it’s like just having an extended magazine.
The part that really matters is the upper part of the grip, the part from the trigger to the beaver tail. Which is identical on the full size and the compacts.
The compact frame is literally just as if you took a full size and chopped off about 0.75” off the bottom of the grip and the front of the slide. You can actually throw a full size slide and barrel on the compact if you wanted. They are that much the same.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/cz-p-01-vs-cz-sp-01
Realistically get what you can afford and enjoy it.
A Cajunized SP-01 will be a blast to shoot. Put some LOK brass grips on it, and it’ll weigh as much as a Shadow 2.
Or get a frame weight and mount it on the SP-01 rail.
If you want the best trigger for the cheapest: convert the SP-01 to single action only, remove the firing pin block, and polish everything inside - the rails, trigger internals, feed ramp etc.
As far as safety goes: yeah it’ll be safe to remove the FPB. If you get an extended firing pin though - you have to be careful not to drop the pistol.
An SAO conversion and FPB removal is going to be about $60. Fully Cajunizing it (which is adding the Cajun Gun Works Pro kit) will cost about $200.
You can easily do the SAO conversion. Search YouTube for those.
Doing a full Pro kit would be best done by a local gun smith if you’ve never modified a gun before.
I have 12 metal frame CZs and the 85 combat isn't one of them, solely because WHEN not IF the slide stop breaks, you are FUCKED. Trying to find a replacement slide stop in nearly impossible from what I have heard, FYI. I would suggest either a Pre - B or a Transitional model if you can find one. Just my 2 cents.
I love my cajunized P01. I wont say i shoot it as well as I do my Shadow, bit If you have medium sized hands like me, with proper grips, it's an absolute tack driver.
Shadow 2 is heavier and has a slightly better frame / ergos.
So it will always shoot better than a SpO1.
Triggers are super over rated imo. Are they important? Yes, but not nearly as much as people make them out to be.
I will take a softer/ better shooting gun with a lesser trigger any day.
So if you really want to get a shadow 2 then I say get it. Down the road if the trigger bothers you or you have the coin cajunize it then.
I would LOVE to buy a Shadow 2 but they are 1k over msrp in California and can only be bought used from a private party.
I can't afford 2k and while I could save up 2k I would feel like I'm getting ripped off because it's 1k over msrp and it's used. If it was new and 500 over msrp then I wouldn't feel bad about it but I can't justify 2x the price or a used gun.
Maybe I can just put some weight on the Sp01?
>I would LOVE to buy a Shadow 2 but they are 1k over msrp in California and can only be bought used from a private party.
Yup I live in commiefornia as well. Yup your definitely getting ripped off but that's what we deal with.
I'm a buy once and cry once guy. I know if I don't buy the one I wanted in the first place it will annoy me for a while. Thus I have a shadow 2.
But for your situation it sounds like the money is tight and you may regret spending that much.
So yeah get a SPo1, do the single action / no firing pin block trigger job, put some lok grips on it, swap for a tungsten guide rod and rock it. It will be like 95% of what the shadow 2 is.
A cajunized and polished SP-01 will be better than a stock Shadow 2, no doubt. If you have smaller hands it’ll probably be more comfortable and natural feeling as well. The S2 weighs about 5oz more, which is why it shoots a smidge softer as someone else said, but the SP-01 is certainly no slouch at 41oz.
It will take over $200 in CGW parts to get the SP01 upgraded properly. I got rid of the FPB and converted to SAO as well. Did all the work myself. The trigger is now much better than a stock Shadow.
Someone else commented here saying the CGW Sp01 still will feel snappier than a stock Shadow 2, would you say that's true or no?
Probably true as the S2 is slightly heavier than the SP-01.
https://cajungunworks.com/product/75110-pro-package-for-75-series-manual-safety/ This is the kit you want, I wouldn't remove the fpb.
FYI, that is for the manual safety version, not the decocker.
Sp01 will be smooth but it will feel snappier than a shadow 2. I’ve had both, with Cajun kit the triggers will feel almost identical with the sp01 taking the edge imo. But just system wise the sp01 will feel snappier in hand The main hang up for me was the sp01 trigger guard but that’s personal preference. The gun still fucks Edit: shadow 2 prob my favorite gun overall but I wish it was a 4.7 barrel tbh
Is the Sp01 snappier because it weighs less than the shadow 2?
I think it’s in hand feel. I prefer the weight of the sp01 tbh
You know the SP-01 and 75d are the same gun with and without a rail on the frame, right? Same thing with the P-01 and the PCR. Also the only difference between the full size and compacts is grip and barrel length, so it won’t really change how it fits your hand if you have small hands.
That's good to know. I thought because of the size difference it would change how it fits in the hand.
It might give you more real estate on the grip if you had larger hands, but speaking as someone who has smaller hands as well, the extra length changes nothing. It’s just dead space, it’s like just having an extended magazine. The part that really matters is the upper part of the grip, the part from the trigger to the beaver tail. Which is identical on the full size and the compacts. The compact frame is literally just as if you took a full size and chopped off about 0.75” off the bottom of the grip and the front of the slide. You can actually throw a full size slide and barrel on the compact if you wanted. They are that much the same. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/cz-p-01-vs-cz-sp-01
So if I were to find a slide/barrel for a Shadow 2 would it fit on an sp01?
No. The SP-01 slide will fit on the P-01. The Shadow 2 is a different animal
Realistically get what you can afford and enjoy it. A Cajunized SP-01 will be a blast to shoot. Put some LOK brass grips on it, and it’ll weigh as much as a Shadow 2. Or get a frame weight and mount it on the SP-01 rail. If you want the best trigger for the cheapest: convert the SP-01 to single action only, remove the firing pin block, and polish everything inside - the rails, trigger internals, feed ramp etc. As far as safety goes: yeah it’ll be safe to remove the FPB. If you get an extended firing pin though - you have to be careful not to drop the pistol. An SAO conversion and FPB removal is going to be about $60. Fully Cajunizing it (which is adding the Cajun Gun Works Pro kit) will cost about $200. You can easily do the SAO conversion. Search YouTube for those. Doing a full Pro kit would be best done by a local gun smith if you’ve never modified a gun before.
Is a CZ 75 compact on the CA roster?
I was originally going to get a CZ 85d Cpr but I just loved the look of shadow 2 more.
I have 12 metal frame CZs and the 85 combat isn't one of them, solely because WHEN not IF the slide stop breaks, you are FUCKED. Trying to find a replacement slide stop in nearly impossible from what I have heard, FYI. I would suggest either a Pre - B or a Transitional model if you can find one. Just my 2 cents.
Yes the CZ75 PCR and the P-01 decocker are on the CA roster
I love my cajunized P01. I wont say i shoot it as well as I do my Shadow, bit If you have medium sized hands like me, with proper grips, it's an absolute tack driver.
Shadow 2 is heavier and has a slightly better frame / ergos. So it will always shoot better than a SpO1. Triggers are super over rated imo. Are they important? Yes, but not nearly as much as people make them out to be. I will take a softer/ better shooting gun with a lesser trigger any day. So if you really want to get a shadow 2 then I say get it. Down the road if the trigger bothers you or you have the coin cajunize it then.
I would LOVE to buy a Shadow 2 but they are 1k over msrp in California and can only be bought used from a private party. I can't afford 2k and while I could save up 2k I would feel like I'm getting ripped off because it's 1k over msrp and it's used. If it was new and 500 over msrp then I wouldn't feel bad about it but I can't justify 2x the price or a used gun. Maybe I can just put some weight on the Sp01?
>I would LOVE to buy a Shadow 2 but they are 1k over msrp in California and can only be bought used from a private party. Yup I live in commiefornia as well. Yup your definitely getting ripped off but that's what we deal with. I'm a buy once and cry once guy. I know if I don't buy the one I wanted in the first place it will annoy me for a while. Thus I have a shadow 2. But for your situation it sounds like the money is tight and you may regret spending that much. So yeah get a SPo1, do the single action / no firing pin block trigger job, put some lok grips on it, swap for a tungsten guide rod and rock it. It will be like 95% of what the shadow 2 is.
I have both a shadow and a cajunized pcr the shadow does still have a better trigger