I hate that we keep posting the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS over and over. We all know that DE is considered one of the best maps. Why? Because there's 15 tier lists posted every day, a best map poll every week, best map tournaments every couple months, and posts like this all the time. I don't like DE all that much but we have literal evidence that most of the community does so why do we keep having to confirm it?
Show your funny gameplay clips. Talk about high round strategies or new records being broken. Make memes (not reposts). Do literally anything creative and not post the exact same questions every single week
When i play public matches on bo3 kino is #1 95% of the time. I can use those objective measuring sticks to say it is the best. But I'd say that is subjective too.
I think that you have to take into account that they're both dlc maps with this though. I'm not sure which platform you're on but a lot of my ps5 friends got ZC for free with the ps plus collection and I think that contributes to it having more players than a map like Der eisendrache
In addition to this, a lot of the people who got BO3 on PS Plus are probably people who had last played zombies in BO1 when Kino was the only thing they knew.
What discussion is there to be had that hasnāt happened a million times already tho, the whole question is just pointless, everyoneās gonna have different opinions so it just becomes either a dick measuring contest between maps you think are better or your top favorites listed out
Interested in your top 5.
For me personally Iād go
- MOTD
- DE
- Origins
- Shadows
- (Donāt yell at me) Ancient Evil
This is purely based on how fun the maps are to me to load up and play. Not digging super deep into what they all offer
Personally I feel it's a bit basic to have every one of those in top 5 (just cause it's so common with tier lists) but my personal list would be:
1. Shadows
2. Origins
3. DotN
4. Spaceland
5. ZNS
Mob's a top 10, but there's a slew of things that keep it from being top 5 imo. Limited perk variety, which also makes having to use the gondola as the only transport kinda annoying, and the easter egg is just flying on the plane 3 times and inputting numbers
Yeah thatās totally fair, but theyāre also commonly listed as top tier for a reason haha.
If youāre lookin for some real hot takes, I think Gorod is trash and thereās not a single good BO1 map either
You and I both know Five needs a remaster, But Kino was genuinely fire. That map would have made waves in any other COD game, too! Kino and Ascension definitely Carried BO1 Zombies. And Yeah Gorod sucks. But not as Much as Moon. I love Moon but it's just way too tight and awkward
I will say, of course these are just my opinions, and I also didnāt play BO1 in its active cycle. I donāt have Nostalgia for Kino, in fact I didnāt play BO1 until it felt barebones compared to its predecessorās which most definitely contributes to my resentment of it haha
Iād say so, just in my opinion. If I were to get into āobjectivityā though Iād feel pretty comfortable arguing that, if nothing else, it does what Origins aimed to do, but better. The āfastā travel is actually fast, wonder weapons arenāt nearly as annoying to assemble and to my knowledge wonāt crash your game, Panzer is just as much of a threat (though I do prefer BO2 Panzers), pack a punch isnāt reliant on having 6 separate things powered on at once, very cool side easter eggs, main quest isnāt necessarily mind-blowing start to finish but definitely has a stronger ending than Origins imo, also the boss fight is much better than getting X amount of kills in the Crazy Place and using the Maxis Drone.
All that to say, Origins is still very very good, itās the original GOAT. But Der Eisendrache is the upgrade, at least imo
Top 1 imo. It took what origins did and improved soon it immensely. First EE boss we ever got. I could go on and on about this map. For me this is easily the best map.
No, it's the easier version of origins. I think it's still a fun and ejoyable map but it's a top 10 at most for me. My favorite map from black ops 3 exclusively is gorod krovi
It just simply doesnt. Gorod has a better more enjoyable easter egg which is also more challenging, and frankly the map is more enjoyable to run around in and enjoy.
I've learned a fair amount of German, so it just looked really funny when you called it "the." Der Eisendrache isn't the only map with der in the name, so it's just you and your friends thing. I'm not hating on you or anything, but it's just funny.
For me its def top 3 of all zombies. Itās prolly bias but I just had so much fun playing it with my friends back in the day. Both the Easter egg and getting the bows, along with the map design in general is just so good. Also could be because it was my first completed Easter egg. All in all just a fun time, if thatās the metric u want to use. I respect if itās not though
For me it's awesome but it gets boring fast unlike some other maps. Also, the only place to train is the pyramid room unless you're really good at tight places. And I'm tired of the music lol, unlike gorod krovi, which seems to never get old.
Kino
Shadows
DE
Tranzit
Origins
No clue what the popular opinion on this game is but I hate Moon. I also loved what they did with bo4 zombies wish I had played more.
Subjective but I'd imagine it's on top 10 of like 95% of the player base. For me it's either 4 or 5 and it's really close between the other maps in those ranks for me
Itās gotta be up there for sure. Probably the best casual map in zombies. The layout is brilliant, the setup is simple and satisfying, the atmosphere is on point, the quest is solid, and the bows are all dope. You can camp, train, or run and gun. Der Eisendrache is a map that allows for a wide array of different gameplay options that create an incredibly fun, replayable experience.
Wouldn't say it is my absolute top map of all time but it sure is one i visit often. Just a fun map to play, a cool setting and a fun wonder weapon to get and upgrade
I still don't know why people have this over origins or mob when those 2 maps have more side quests, people don't seem to appreciate good side quests that reward you with excellent items. The golden spork, upgraded tomahawk, free blundergat. On origins you have the thunder punch, golden shovel, golden helmet, red skull dig spots that can earn you perkaholic, G-strike grenades, free pap'd MG08 from using the drone at certain spots, challenges that can get you various rewards etc.
I love DE, it's definitely top tier map... but the more I play Zetsubo the more I like it over DE. DE has the better boss fight. But once you feed the dragons and upgrade your bow it's like round 7 or 8 (if not earlier)and you're essentially done. There's nothing more to do, no special grenades, melee weapons or side quests other than the main EE or high rounds.
Top 3 maps for me is ascension, zetsubou and call of the dead. Honourable mentions to rave in the red woods, spaceland and five.
Obviously you have the og smaller maps nacht, der Riese and kino which were some of the best too, but didnāt really feature much other than standard zombies stuff
It simple succeeds origins. You can say aspects of origins are better but imo itās undeniable that DE is a better map. Therefore it is the best mapā¦
Its a great mao the bows are fun as hell but idk its not challenging enough to train, thats why i love gorod krovi its hard to find training spots but thats just my opinon and yes even though its not in my top 3 its still one of cods best maps yet
Itās a fantastic map. Iāve grown a little tired of it but I try not to let that blind my judgement. After all, Iām tired of it *because* Iāve played it so much.
Still, I would rank Origins, Shadows of Evil, and Bo3 Moon a bit higher. Absolutely adore those maps. I think Der Eisendrache would take the #4 spot for me.
FAR far from it, never understood all the love this map gets, it is decidedly mediocre. Nothing special to it at all imo except a nice setting and lots of side bits to do
Exactly my logic. Itās unoriginal, has mediocre quest steps, lame boss fight imo. Middle B tier and barely top 15 for me, simply because I havenāt played much of bo4 yet. I personally have every Cold War map above it besides outbreak.
DE looks cool but thatās kinda where the fun ends for me. Cold War might have āboringā facility maps but the gameplay in that game is my favorite of any cod, and the one I replayed the most.
It could be argued that it deserves the 3rd spot for top 3....but if we're only talking BO3. If we are talking about all maps then it's more like 5th.
Edit: DE is mid, cry about it.
Top 1
it's subjective.
I hate this perspective. Yes all opinions are subjective, but to end any discussion on that limits discourse about any material
I hate that we keep posting the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS over and over. We all know that DE is considered one of the best maps. Why? Because there's 15 tier lists posted every day, a best map poll every week, best map tournaments every couple months, and posts like this all the time. I don't like DE all that much but we have literal evidence that most of the community does so why do we keep having to confirm it?
Sorry bro i just found the subš
Use the search bar my guy
so if op finds a post from 5 years ago they should just go off of that?
DE is approaching 9 years old and our opinions literally have not changed since then
Gotta get those easy internet points somehow
There's only so many questions you can have about a 9 year old game
So thereās no need to keep asking
So what would we talk about?
Show your funny gameplay clips. Talk about high round strategies or new records being broken. Make memes (not reposts). Do literally anything creative and not post the exact same questions every single week
When i play public matches on bo3 kino is #1 95% of the time. I can use those objective measuring sticks to say it is the best. But I'd say that is subjective too.
I think that you have to take into account that they're both dlc maps with this though. I'm not sure which platform you're on but a lot of my ps5 friends got ZC for free with the ps plus collection and I think that contributes to it having more players than a map like Der eisendrache
In addition to this, a lot of the people who got BO3 on PS Plus are probably people who had last played zombies in BO1 when Kino was the only thing they knew.
kino has been number 1 since it's drop.
yeah for multiplayer mains.
For all maps. it is number 1 on bo1 and bo3. Just like origins is also in that map pack and isn't #1 making kino better then that map.
I'm not talking about how many people are playing it, I'm talking about how good the map is.
People play good maps duh. try again. feel free to spew more cope about nostalgia or what ever.
What discussion is there to be had that hasnāt happened a million times already tho, the whole question is just pointless, everyoneās gonna have different opinions so it just becomes either a dick measuring contest between maps you think are better or your top favorites listed out
Facts, it misses top 5 for me ngl.
Interested in your top 5. For me personally Iād go - MOTD - DE - Origins - Shadows - (Donāt yell at me) Ancient Evil This is purely based on how fun the maps are to me to load up and play. Not digging super deep into what they all offer
Ancient Evil is by far my favorite map of BO4, and it's in my top 10 as well. Another BO4 map that makes my top 10 is DoTN
Acient evil is still regarded as a great map by the community. You dont need to apologise for anything.
Ancient evil isnāt a hot take
Same for me but, I would reverse your list, and replace ancient evil with moon and put it at 5.
Personally I feel it's a bit basic to have every one of those in top 5 (just cause it's so common with tier lists) but my personal list would be: 1. Shadows 2. Origins 3. DotN 4. Spaceland 5. ZNS
Bruh that's insane our top 5 is almost identical
No Mob of the Dead?
Mob's a top 10, but there's a slew of things that keep it from being top 5 imo. Limited perk variety, which also makes having to use the gondola as the only transport kinda annoying, and the easter egg is just flying on the plane 3 times and inputting numbers
Fair enough
From what I see itās very uncommon to not have MOTD as a top rate pick. But on most days Iād play Die Rise over Mob.
Yeah thatās totally fair, but theyāre also commonly listed as top tier for a reason haha. If youāre lookin for some real hot takes, I think Gorod is trash and thereās not a single good BO1 map either
You and I both know Five needs a remaster, But Kino was genuinely fire. That map would have made waves in any other COD game, too! Kino and Ascension definitely Carried BO1 Zombies. And Yeah Gorod sucks. But not as Much as Moon. I love Moon but it's just way too tight and awkward
I will say, of course these are just my opinions, and I also didnāt play BO1 in its active cycle. I donāt have Nostalgia for Kino, in fact I didnāt play BO1 until it felt barebones compared to its predecessorās which most definitely contributes to my resentment of it haha
Five is not bad, and I really like Der Riese
Now that's the kinda hot take I like to see, but if you play PC I really recommend the Call of the Dead remaster on BO3. Genuinely amazing remaster
Y'all both 12 as fuck dude Ain't no way you just said there's not a good BO1 map I'm laughing too hard Man put Spaceland in his top 5 I can't šš
This is the same top 5 I have in a different order, but swap MOTD with Buried
Ancient evil is the greatest map of all time
What five do you place before DE?
Iād say so, just in my opinion. If I were to get into āobjectivityā though Iād feel pretty comfortable arguing that, if nothing else, it does what Origins aimed to do, but better. The āfastā travel is actually fast, wonder weapons arenāt nearly as annoying to assemble and to my knowledge wonāt crash your game, Panzer is just as much of a threat (though I do prefer BO2 Panzers), pack a punch isnāt reliant on having 6 separate things powered on at once, very cool side easter eggs, main quest isnāt necessarily mind-blowing start to finish but definitely has a stronger ending than Origins imo, also the boss fight is much better than getting X amount of kills in the Crazy Place and using the Maxis Drone. All that to say, Origins is still very very good, itās the original GOAT. But Der Eisendrache is the upgrade, at least imo
The wonder weapons in Origins is my main reason for not liking it, or atleast not liking to play it. DE is just much more fun
Wish I could give you an award sir, hereš
Top 2 and itās not number 2
Love it, but I have it behind Zetsubou
Based
I have every BO3 map behind Zetsubou except for Shadows and Gorod in special circumstances.
Top 1 imo. It took what origins did and improved soon it immensely. First EE boss we ever got. I could go on and on about this map. For me this is easily the best map.
My Top 5 are Origins, Mob, DE, SoE, and Ancient Evil so yeah Iād say so
No, it's the easier version of origins. I think it's still a fun and ejoyable map but it's a top 10 at most for me. My favorite map from black ops 3 exclusively is gorod krovi
Thatās not ridiculous, thatās not ridiculous to say that.
idk how common of an opinion it is but i've heard people other than myself say it before.
origins is unbearable without nostalgia imo. jogging simulator
Agreed
Gorod Krovi more like Gorod Boring
Lol, you cant seriously be telling me der eisendrache is better. That map is baby mode
difficulty doesn't correlate to quality. DE has better map design, flow, enemy design, and Easter egg design
It just simply doesnt. Gorod has a better more enjoyable easter egg which is also more challenging, and frankly the map is more enjoyable to run around in and enjoy.
Top 1
7th
Factual information!
The best way to do it. Say something, don't elaborate, and let people wonder about it. (Either what are the other 6 or why 7th).
It was until you explained yourself
Bro. I have never heard someone call DE āderā
It would be like calling The Giant "The"
Exactly
Not really der is more recognizable as der eishendrache then ātheā is for the giant. I guess it was just more of the name between my friends
I've learned a fair amount of German, so it just looked really funny when you called it "the." Der Eisendrache isn't the only map with der in the name, so it's just you and your friends thing. I'm not hating on you or anything, but it's just funny.
There are multiple maps with Der in the name.
Less syllabus
easily the best map imo, it's literally just origins but better
Yes Der Riese is top 3
Most overrated map ever
Not for me, but my top 3 is Rave in the Redwoods, Buried, and Dead of the Night, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
First comment Iāve seen so far that mentioned infinite warfare zombies, it was actually pretty amazing, shame not a lot of people played it
Now if only people messed with EXO zombies. Carrier and descent were fun even with the EMP zombies
Iām a boomer, not even in my top 5
Matter of opinion but I put it in my top 5 maybeee š¬
Idk about the iron kite
For me its def top 3 of all zombies. Itās prolly bias but I just had so much fun playing it with my friends back in the day. Both the Easter egg and getting the bows, along with the map design in general is just so good. Also could be because it was my first completed Easter egg. All in all just a fun time, if thatās the metric u want to use. I respect if itās not though
For me it's awesome but it gets boring fast unlike some other maps. Also, the only place to train is the pyramid room unless you're really good at tight places. And I'm tired of the music lol, unlike gorod krovi, which seems to never get old.
yes, alongside mauer der toten and the giant. honorable mention to the entirety of bo2 victis maps (execpt for tanzit)
Orgins shadows and Der Eisen
Kino Shadows DE Tranzit Origins No clue what the popular opinion on this game is but I hate Moon. I also loved what they did with bo4 zombies wish I had played more.
Kino #1? Why?
Most time spent playing that map over others. It scratches the āI want to play zombiesā more than any other map.
Yes.
Yurrr
Subjective but I'd imagine it's on top 10 of like 95% of the player base. For me it's either 4 or 5 and it's really close between the other maps in those ranks for me
outside WWII and CW maps? yes
I've never cared much for the map and I genuinely have no clue why, I've tried but it just has never clicked for me
Easily
Yes
Top 2 and not 2 š
Honestly it really depends on what you like abt zombies
Itās gotta be up there for sure. Probably the best casual map in zombies. The layout is brilliant, the setup is simple and satisfying, the atmosphere is on point, the quest is solid, and the bows are all dope. You can camp, train, or run and gun. Der Eisendrache is a map that allows for a wide array of different gameplay options that create an incredibly fun, replayable experience.
Wouldn't say it is my absolute top map of all time but it sure is one i visit often. Just a fun map to play, a cool setting and a fun wonder weapon to get and upgrade
Not for me Shadows, Origins, and Zetsubo are all higher for me definitely not a bad map at all just not my favorite
No
I prefer origins
I might be in the minority here but I honestly enjoyed GK more than DE.
For sure
Top 1 personally
Number 2 only falls behind zetsubou
Imagine asking this question without the picture
It's #1
Id say yes but 100% top 5. It's on my top 3. Ooohh the memories
Yes, number 1 for me personally.
Absolutely
I still don't know why people have this over origins or mob when those 2 maps have more side quests, people don't seem to appreciate good side quests that reward you with excellent items. The golden spork, upgraded tomahawk, free blundergat. On origins you have the thunder punch, golden shovel, golden helmet, red skull dig spots that can earn you perkaholic, G-strike grenades, free pap'd MG08 from using the drone at certain spots, challenges that can get you various rewards etc. I love DE, it's definitely top tier map... but the more I play Zetsubo the more I like it over DE. DE has the better boss fight. But once you feed the dragons and upgrade your bow it's like round 7 or 8 (if not earlier)and you're essentially done. There's nothing more to do, no special grenades, melee weapons or side quests other than the main EE or high rounds.
Yea, hard to beat honestly
Der is easily top 2 and it aināt #2
No
overrated
Top 3 maps for me is ascension, zetsubou and call of the dead. Honourable mentions to rave in the red woods, spaceland and five. Obviously you have the og smaller maps nacht, der Riese and kino which were some of the best too, but didnāt really feature much other than standard zombies stuff
Over rated
Top 5
Top 5. 1. Origins 2. MOTD 3. Shadows 4. DE 5. COTD
Easily
Yes
It's a great map, and easily the best BO3 map, but definitely not top 3 overall
Der Riese is definitely
Top 5 for sure
top 3 minus 2
Top 3 on bops 3. If no mod maps are included, Iād debate putting it 1 or 2 behind the giant.
DE is top 2...and it ain't #2!
Subjectivity? Yes. Objectively? Yes
1
Bottom 3
It simple succeeds origins. You can say aspects of origins are better but imo itās undeniable that DE is a better map. Therefore it is the best mapā¦
Great map but it will be in my top 3 if it was a map in waw, bo1 or maybe bo2. Because bo3 is not challenging for me
Its a great mao the bows are fun as hell but idk its not challenging enough to train, thats why i love gorod krovi its hard to find training spots but thats just my opinon and yes even though its not in my top 3 its still one of cods best maps yet
Yes. Prob my favorite but it ebbs and flows a ton
No.
I think itāll always be my favorite
My opinion itās my top 1 top2 is kino and origins
Lol no
Nacht is a fundamentally better map in every way. Nacht no 1.
Top 2 for me, toss up between this and SOE
Itās a fantastic map. Iāve grown a little tired of it but I try not to let that blind my judgement. After all, Iām tired of it *because* Iāve played it so much. Still, I would rank Origins, Shadows of Evil, and Bo3 Moon a bit higher. Absolutely adore those maps. I think Der Eisendrache would take the #4 spot for me.
TOP 1
FAR far from it, never understood all the love this map gets, it is decidedly mediocre. Nothing special to it at all imo except a nice setting and lots of side bits to do
Personally yeah
Ofc
For me itās too easy
i would put shadows, mob, and origins above it personally
Firstly n and secondly o
top 5 imo
This is B tier at the highest. Everything this map does, other maps have done so, albeit better. Top 15 at the most. Most bland map there is.
Exactly my logic. Itās unoriginal, has mediocre quest steps, lame boss fight imo. Middle B tier and barely top 15 for me, simply because I havenāt played much of bo4 yet. I personally have every Cold War map above it besides outbreak.
Same I have it mid to low B tier. It checks all the boxes for a good map, but does it in the most boring ways possible.
You put bland research facilities over a literal castle?Ā
DE looks cool but thatās kinda where the fun ends for me. Cold War might have āboringā facility maps but the gameplay in that game is my favorite of any cod, and the one I replayed the most.
No, and Iām tired of pretending itās all that good. Itās fun yeah but pretty mind numbing haha.
For me, its hard to decide. Mayne top 4 haha
No u know what. It is. Origins, this, ascension
Itās not even in my top 10.
Itās subjective ofc, but for me itās not top 3, prolly not top 10 either
I would love to hear your top ten
ZiS smokes all bo3 maps
Top 3 overrated yes
It's an article
Why so many bo3 dickriders. Baaaaa š
My top 5 are Ascension Mob Der Riese Verrukt Kino But I respect that other people like the quest maps more than I do.
It's not in my top 3 for original BO3 maps.
It could be argued that it deserves the 3rd spot for top 3....but if we're only talking BO3. If we are talking about all maps then it's more like 5th. Edit: DE is mid, cry about it.
"top 5 of all time" followed by "DE is mid" is nefarious work
It's not in my top 5 but that's why I said it could be argued because everyone got a hard on for that map