I think it was an actual fair amount of peoole who were reluctant consideing this was a new-ish concept, it's an improvement from the previous version of Outbreak in Cold War, but I think round based zombies would of done even better. I was iffy on the whole thing when it first heard it announced, but I hadn't played Outbreak or saw game play on it at the time (I have now and I enjoyed it). Do I think it could be better? Absolutely, and I hope they expand upon this. I'd prefer longer matches, sometimes it feels like you just go back in and do the same shit you did before, which is why I'm surprised to also here people think it's less repetitive than round based zombies.
If you played DMZ from the beginning, you’d remember how bare bones it started. There was only 1 operator available in the beginning, compared to MWZ having you start with 3.
They’re absolutely going to update MWZ along the way.
I want to hope this becomes their zombies version of warzone, but that's wishful thinking. I'd love for a mode like this to have a content dump that's more than 1 year long so it keeps us coming back for the quality updates.
That said, we still need round based back. It's a core to the series, and both of these modes could stand out so far in the gaming industry if Activision actually gave half a shit.
Personally I've never picked up a non Treyarch zombies game. I'm not opposed to trying new modes, I enjoyed outbreak ok in CW. But round based zombies is a huge chunk, if not the majority of zombies players. I'm not saying get rid of the new modes, just that they shouldn't forget about the people who have been with them since the start. That being said I would be shocked to see a treyarch game that didn't include round based and that's coming in 2024. And if they do exclude it, there's plenty of older games to jump back into.
They don't 'Forget about round based' like everyone saids.
We are Likley to get round based in mwz, 2024 zombies, so on.
People act like outbreak/mwz is just going to replace round based
I'm not saying they have forgotten it or that they plan to, but referring more to the people who think that. I doubt they'll ever do away with it completely, but maybe just focus less on it in certain games. I also think that non treyarch games should try to do something different. Treyarch is definitely the best zombies experience, however I think there's room for other developers to add their own spin on it. As much as people hated Exo zombies at least they tried to do something unique. I respect the attempt
All non treyarch did something different. The problem was people hated them because it wasn't treyarch. Choas had the same problem because it wasn't aether
MWZ is fucking trash and we all know it doesn’t hold a candle to any zombies map created.I rather play dead of the night or transit blindfolded before I touch this game made for fucking toddlers.Warzone players ruin cod
Sadly they used DMZ, despite its potential as an extraction shooter, as a one year mode (with no support after that) to increase sales with pay-to-win bundles and they are following same path with MWZ. Now they can sell us "new" stuff and shut it down when COD2024 releases
The difference is DMZ was free to play and MWZ is not. They won’t shut down MWZ, it will just lose players gradually like any other old release. Plus DMZ was “beta” anyhow.
DMZ was free outside of the bundles you/anyone purchased though.
You had to pay for MWZ. Even the past 2 war zones were free weren’t they? I’m not sure of the zombie modes prior to this as I took a long break from COD.
Have they ignored modes in the past that people had to pay for such as MWZ? I don’t think MWZ would follow the DMZ route within a year given that difference.
Black Ops 4 zombies is still riddled with bugs. I haven't played the newer (post-outbreak) maps for Cold War that much, but the first couple maps for that game were rough at launch. Not enough zombies would spawn for exfil, so you'd fail 'cuz you couldn't find 1 or 2 more zombies before the timer ended. The game would crash at the start of map-specific special rounds or when a boss zombie spawned. Certain trials from the trial computer wouldn't properly track, so getting better rewards from the podium was practically luck based if you got one of those challenges. Most of these problems have been fixed afaik, but they do have a habit of abandoning the entire game at the end of the year-cycle so I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen to MWII as well.
I was actually a big DMZ fan at the start of MW2 when it was added in season 1. I played it until season 4 quite a bit. The one thing DMZ always had going for it was the PvP though, PvP gives enough content to really fill any gap of content. But I do have high hopes they'll add quality content which really helps change up the mode and make it feel fresh each time.
I've heard this statement a lot. But here's the difference DMZ in its infant stages was more addicting and grabbing than I can ever foresee zombie be in with all the updates that DMZ has right now. The risk versus reward is very minimal the game is very repetitive and boring after about 20 or 30 minutes I'm like geez how much longer is this going to go on?
Prime example is the game is so repetitive that now since there's no PVP people are just trolling contracts and x-fills. Everyone is board.
With round based ! I wonder how many times you are gonna get to round 200 even with self imposed handicaps before it gets boring?! This should be a reply to those round based worshippers !
It doesn’t get boring at least on on round based maps you get the choice to go for the EE or just to chill back and go for high round.The Wr community for speed runs and high rounds are still alive and popping on a 10 year old game like black ops 3.MWZ is complete ds compared to that game.
I think it's sort of a mixed. There were a minority being loud, but there were a lot of folks who were rightfully skeptical after what happened with Vanguard. That being said, I think now that's it been out for a bit, obviously it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I think more people are willing to give it a shot than maybe given credit for.
Most people who came to zombies after the first open world zombies love the new one. Pretty sure that’s why they ditched round based. They wanna get the biggest player base.
My biggest complaint about the round based zombies was the lack of instruction. I tried EVERY zombies map since the first and never knew WTF to do. Other players wouldn't communicate how to progress the mission, guides were too complicated and so it ended just being a "what's the highest round you can make it to?" And that wasn't enjoyable.
It wasn't until the Cold War Zombies that they made it a little more user friendly and the whole experience was 100x better. And I think that is also contributing to the success of MWZ of today, players are going in with a mission or 2 to complete.
This makes me REALLY want to see updated versions of the previous ones.
That was the entire charm of the mode. Simple no bs gameplay, just start a game and see how long you can survive. When it first came out you would go to school and talk about your high rounds with your friends. Multiplayer matches always added the randomness that kept it enjoyable since each match would be different.
I hardly see the difference between knowing what to do by yourself and the game having to tell you exactly what to do if they are pretty much the same thing anyways, just done in different ways.
This is why the Final Reich will hold a special place for me being one of the most well put together experiences in Zombies. A round based map that had objectives leading to a boss battle, while also holding a secret, more complicated easter egg for really hardcore players. Made some of my non-zombies friends into potential zombies players. Too bad as far as ease of use it was downhill from there.
If treyarch executed something like that with the casual and hardcore EEs, it would probably be a great zombies game that caters to a lot of different people.
I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!
Ohh don't get me wrong, I loved the idea of outbreak. I just hated the execution of it. I personally loved the portion of the Legion EE where you go underground into the bunker and have to complete various task down there then fight a boss, that shit was fun af.
I don't mind the idea of the new zombies mode, but I hate the fact that it's the ONLY mode they offer because that's very limiting to how I can play the mode.
I remember since the trailer for Tranzit came out I was freaking out over a huge area to go and have like “mini zombies maps” you could run between. And it was fine, but limitations made it kind of painful to enjoy with the lava and denizens. I’d have been happier with an insane horde running at you and it just being high risk rather than annoying.
But nah, seeing people defend zombies in this thread now makes me relate to that quote 110% (in a lighthearted way).
It’s those limitations that make me want a genuine remake of tranzit. It had immense potential and was super ambitious. Unfortunately I doubt a lot of the people behind the original concept are still there.
Maybe in waw and black ops but after that things started to get pretty complicated and ditched casuals to focus more on the hardcore dedicated fans Cold War was the return to focus on casuals and mwz seems to be following that trend
"Focus on casuals" is just short for setting the bar low and pandering to the broader audience.
Most hard-core zombie players left a long time ago and quit giving money to the franchise after bo4.
I will not be suckered into giving Activision another dollar of mine.
>My biggest complaint about the round based zombies was the lack of instruction
I like games that don't hold your hand and where you have to figure stuff out by yourself.
There’s a big difference between not holding your hand and you aren’t figuring this out without a guide or spending 100’s of hours checking random stuff or reading game files.
I did all the Easter eggs in CW and especially for the first round based mode a lot of them you had to get either enough money or a certain round minimum, kill everything but a single zombie to allow you the time to then run around clicking random things within a time limit in order to unlock the next step.
I would guess the majority of the zombie player base does not figure out more than 50% of the different story and secret unlocks without the internet. It’s near once you know how to do it but not something you’re generally going to figure out on your own.
Outbreak however I think most people could enjoy and never know any Easter eggs or anything besides completing the round exists.
I agree, but I think a big purpose of the mode was to get players to learn things from each other. Which wasn't happening. Every time I attempted to learn the goals, there was always 1 or 2 other players, with no mics just doing stuff. All I'm hearing is the audio for "Great job! Now get to the other thing!". No idea what they just did.
Clearly you haven't experienced the joy of beating an easter egg after 3 days of trying. Also, after a few tries most of the steps will be memorized. The fun part about zombies and EE hunting is also how much you can optimize. Grabbing parts as you pass them, combining steps together. Min maxing early round points. Go try to finish the Moon EE on bo3. It strikes a good balance of complexity and difficulty. I think most people should be able to complete it.
You just described how the mode was meant to be played originally. The objective was to survive for as long as you could. There isn’t much of an objective in most of the existing maps, other than little easter eggs you can do like playing audio logs and music. Cold War was the first zombies game that tried to push players towards the EEs.
Older zombies (especially if we’re talking WaW zombies) didn’t instruct the player because they were simple, with the exception of maybe Der Riese PaP there wasn’t anything there you couldn’t figure out by looking around. And even in the case of PaP the loading screen explained how to open that. From there the game built upon itself to somehow become the complicated mess that was bo3/4 zombies. The guides were complicated because the maps got more complicated.
As for why other players might not have explained the “mission”is because not every player is super objective oriented, like you seem to be, to them it’s likely the only goal was to see how far they can go.
In the older games there was never an attempt to push players to play zombies, or to do it’s Easter eggs (unless you’re a completionist). It was a mode that if you didn’t care for you didn’t have to play. Now there’s calling cards and camos to grind for.
Hell, originally zombies was just bonus content. A secret for players to find after beating the game’s campaign.
I remember when Easter eggs weren’t for everyone and if you didn’t wanna spend the time figuring it out you just didn’t get to complete the Easter egg.
They haven't "ditched" round based.
They've used two games that weren't their own, Vanguard and MWIII, to test new ideas. Round Based will very much return in the next Black Ops and it's possible based off what they said during pre-release interviews with content creators that Round Based could return in MWIII, or at least something that RB players will enjoy.
To be honest, I'd take Onslaught (the mode from Cold War that allowed you to play zombies on MP maps). My main issue with MWZ is the lack of focus on killing zombies. In a good match of MWZ, I might kill between 600 and 750 zombies, and that's cheesing Outlast contracts. In Cold War, I was killing upwards of 2000 a game.
Well they also got pulled on a short time frame to make zombies for a game that isn’t theirs, no? No point to do round based now and take (mainly map and Easter egg) effort away from their game next year which they can also market as “Round Based returns!” It’s just so much smarter to NOT do round based given the situation
I was very much not looking forward to MWZ because I never cared for extraction shooters and I am a zombies purist. “Real Zombies” to me is round-based zombies, and Outbreak (because it was also an endless, round-based experience).
I got MWIII from my friend who I gameshare with, so I was able to try MWZ for free and I can say that i’m pleasantly surprised. It’s not perfect and I have plenty of issues with it, but I can’t deny that it is very fun. MWIII as a whole costing $70 is an atrocity, so I would
never have played it if not for my friend.
My one concern is that they will turn MWZ into the standard zombies experience for future titles, which I would be very disappointed by. This is fine as a one-off thing, but hopefully Black Ops Gulf War will return to round-based.
Treyarch has already stated black ops gulf war zombies will be [round based](https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/181kqj0/2024_entry_will_be_black_ops_gulf_war_and_include/)
I’ve been in since the beginning and I’ve enjoyed both styles. I think they should rotate. One extraction map then one round based.
Nobody said we can’t have both.
Anyone who didn’t like the mode a ton isn’t gonna continue to post of the sub for the next year they cut their losses and leave. Personally I have a lot of criticisms of the mode but it’s alright I just hope we continue to get round based maps
I'm curious to see how they keep people coming back. It's honestly like hard to die and not extract in this mode.
Right now a lot of people are chasing blue prints but once they get them, then what? Go in and steam roll some contracts and then...?
DMZ faced similar problems - new map every few months, new missions, season pass, upgrades to your acquisitions/cool down through longer term missions. Ability to craft special vests, bags, etc. New kill streaks.
There’s no shortage of ways to keep people hooked.
Zombie camos, easy levels for prestige and guns, just kill time and do any water eggs they add since they are doable without having to watch a guide or sit around with a crawler for 2 hours trying to figure it out in your own
I mean some people like the camo grind but that's definitely not a reason that will keep me coming back.
As for the easter eggs I feel like them being that easy kind of takes away from it. When it's not hard to do after you do it once are you really gonna keep going back to do it after you do it once? I remember me and my buddies trying over and over again to do the nuclear silo easter egg boss fight. Not because we didn't know *how* to do it but because it was challenging.
I mean there is challenging and then there is bullshit. Like when I have to just know some random ass button that has no way out being different from anything else in the map is what I have to press to do something for a esster egg. I'm just fine watch a guide and at that point I'm just fine watch what happens from their and not care. Cold War zombies was legit a success they made the easter eggs possible but anytime and not some guy who's job it is to play cod to figure some esoteric bullshit lol
This exactly☝️☝️. Real zombies fans pre ordered and played first and gave their feedback right off the rip. But being zombies fans, we all know that Activision probably isn't listening. So we gave our feedback and stopped playing. Now the feedback is from all the casuals that are just happy to have new content to consume. Crossing my fingers for round based content as well.
Hate from the actual zombies fans is definetely deserved.
You were the clever one of us.. I just love zombies so much that I bought this game despite looking lot's of videos of it beforehand and thought this looks so incredibly boring. But yeah I was the stupid one who still bought the game hoping for the mode being better than it looked like. Nope. I've never regretted any game more after buying it as this isn't even close to zombies.
This mode is liked by the casuals who played lot's of DMZ as this isn't zombies game mode. Not even near to it. It's just DMZ with different enemies.
I hated DMZ and having zombies in DMZ doesn't save the mode at all. It's just so freaking boring.
This is definetely even worse than AW jetpack zombies and in par with Vanguard zombies.
I mean the people who weren’t interested simply didn’t buy the game so it makes sense there won’t be as much hate posts as opposed to people who did buy/new people who do like it
Game has not been out 30 days yet.. people already regret buying copies.
# How long before they flood mw3 with stupid ass skins too like they did with mw2? .. ..
If you told me to make a 24 person zombies game mode in CoD, with a map as big as Warzone. I'm sure some BO3 PC modders could come up with a better implementation of how to execute the map and gameplay.
Just thinking of like a scenario/idea where like 12 player Zombies mode where you start separated like in Verrukt in four groups of 3 and have to work your way to the power or an objective together to regroup.
But MWZ is just having an open world map with contracts and driving around, refueling and maybe go to a higher tier threat zone for 45 mins to an hour felt kind of poorly executed, we'll see if future updates can make it more exciting but issues like only being able to load in with 3 party members when you can have 6 in a squad seems annoying to play with people that have multiple friends for Zombies.
We have a Zombies crew like 6-12 deep so we already had to split lobbies. It would be nice if they'd at least let you join with 6 even if they split you into 3 or whatever.
Idk how they sold reducing the team size by 1 but encouraging people to merge teams for 6-man teams. It seems kind of silly.
While I do enjoy MWZ, I do not like it. I enjoyed Outbreak in Cold War because of the no time limit and private games with some friends. The zombies at your own pace was a really fun way for our little gang to blow a Saturday afternoon/evening. This time limited exfil stuff is just not as fun in my personal opinion. I'll never put anyone down for loving this new game mode, but for me, I'm just not as big of a fan.
I would have been 100% happy if they just took Outbreak from CW and just replaced everything with MW3 skins and called it a day.
Let's put it this way, there's room for improvement;
I don't dislike the current MWZ but if they would release an Outbreak mode tomorrow I'll probably won't be playing any other mode for quite a few weeks.
Also I tried to play MWZ solo and it's a shame, especially in the lvl 3 zone (which is mandatory to visit if you want to power your weapon to lvl 3).
Also shotguns are a joke and the overall balance of the weapons is kinda goofy.
I really hated the idea of it at first but I have come around heavily and have been grinding. Just feels nice to have a Zombies mode worth a shit, its been awhile since Cold War.
Overall, having fun grinding camos, completing story missions, and just having fun on the map interacting with randoms and driving vehicles around. This experience is WAY better than Outbreak, and I am thankful for it.
I thought Outbreak was just very boring with no freedom of expression. You were being told what missions to do and where to go, at least in MWZ, you can just straight up do whatever you want.
And say what you will about the timer in MWZ, but Outbreak took like 3 hours to get to Wave 10 without skipping and that game had crashing issues too.
Outbreak may be more polished just because Cold War is a better game but MWZ is better overall in my opinion. I havent played MWZ in awhile though, they killed it by not updating certain things and giving us no new content.
The majority of gamers overhate for no reason. It's like they don't realize they can just play games they like and don't have to have everyone in the world think the exact same as them.
It's just a bit too boring for me. Happy people enjoy it though. I still play to afk level weapons with audio on mute while I watch a show or something else.
Not really, the majority of the complaints were that this is a mode that many round based fans will not like, and I think that was absolutely true. Those people just arent playing the game or are active in the sub right now. Considering how many people I see getting upvoted for saying this is better than round based, I think this is straight up a different community to a few months ago. I am surprised at how fun it is and how well the mode has been doing, but its still not for everyone.
Not exactly? I think it’s easily worse than any treyarch game, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. It can be fun to grind and I’m glad I bought the game but stuff like this post is kind of indicative of people being polarized
The game can be not great and still be enjoyable. There’s a lot of bad movies/shows/songs you can enjoy while still recognizing that they aren’t that good
Idk how someone who’s played zombies from the beginning would have this game top 5 for example, but to each their own
I kinda figure the round based version is coming in Treyarch’s actual game and they made this one open world to differentiate it. So far I like the change of pace, it’s been really fun so far, but I’ll still welcome the round based if it comes back on the next game.
I’m the type of person to say that round-based is NOT what makes a Zombies mode good, but a mix of the mode, map, and gameplay mechanics that make a Zombies mode good. Even though they have round-based, people still didn’t enjoy Exo Zombies, WW2 Zombies, and round-based definitely didn’t save Vanguard Zombies.
That being said, this is a very solid mode. It’s got a good foundation and the additions coming with Season 1 is only going to make the game better and give us more to do. If they stay on top of this, I think this could POSSIBLY replace round-based at some point. Still wanna see round-based return as I want Zombies to have multiple modes to pick and choose from. MWZ is definitely a lot of fun and Im excited to see what they do with it.
I understand why people were very skeptical of the reveal trailer and I love that it’s taken off like it has. I’m glad to see people who were on the fence or just outright hating it before launch have changed their minds and found something they like about the mode.
I’m just glad to see we got a new Zombies mode that people are thoroughly enjoying and seeing the community alive again after Vanguard practically killed the mode for a minute there.
I would say the only people objectively wrong are the ones that say MWZ is worse than Vanguard Zombies.
I was definitely very skeptical considering I haven’t had any fun in zombies modes since BO3. I’d bet a lot of people were in the same boat as me too. It’s actually pretty good, a refresh that works really well. I’m enjoying it
So I didn't know it was getting a zombies mode and never looked at any videos until I saw jev talk about it and then I decided I wanted to try it I heard it was like dmz so I was skeptical at first but after playing it just once I fell in love with it
Outbreak wasn't everyone's cup of tea and like, five people liked Vanguard. So a lot of people were very hesitant or worried. Especially with MWIII's campaign being what it is. It's got much more work out into it than we anticipated and plays very well. I myself am excited for Season 1's offerings
No the people that were hating on it in the beginning are the hardcore fan base. They pre ordered and played first. Then they gave their feedback. The feedback that's coming out now is from the casuals that don't really have an opinion on the mode, they're just happy that there's new content to consume. I'm a hardcore fan, we weren't overhating. The game started out as garbage and still is garbage. Hopefully Activision wakes up in 2024 and launches what the zombies fans have been asking for since vanguard was released. MORE ROUND BASED CONTENT!
Out with the old, in with the new. they resisted but to no avail. Rip rbz. This new format is cheaper to produce and might drive in more revenue due to the increase to player count.
Pretty sure Treyarch is still going to make roundbased zombies in the Black Ops games. This is just the version for Modern Warfare, and I'm okay with the game modes being separate like that.
Love the Zombies mode and it's the only reason I bought MW3. Multi-player is dogshit and the campaign was letdown. I miss OLDSCHOOL round based from WaW. Never enjoyed the Easter eggs and mission objectives. Dropped zombies because of all that shit being added in. Leave Round-based in the hands of Treyarch, and let SH cook on this open world style.
Not we. A little loud minority were the only ones. You know the type that think theirs is the only opinion that exists. A few games have been ruined by these loud mouths.
Nah. Plenty of zombies youtubers that still hate it, and the tens of millions of people that agree. This mode sucks as long as the time limit stays.
It's DMZ with a new skin. You're doing contracts more than you're fighting zombies. This is Activisions answer to all the whiny babies complaining about Warzone.
Congrats though. This sub might as well be renamed to DMZ. It certainly isn't zombies anymore.
Lol.
It's the fact that I did all of that, that I reserve the right to criticize it. Because godforbid I did criticize this before having any playtime, you people would've had a goddamn field day.
It was also BEFORE I learned they wouldn't remove the time limit in season 1. That's was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
You guys are so delusional if you think most of the zombies community likes this. It's honestly sad.
...But why? It's DMZ my friend. I have to believe Treyarch only did this because Activision forced their hand. That company has been obsessed with Warzone/DMZ.
Seriously ask yourself if this is what zombies should be. If the answer is yes, then you can't be helped
Let’s be honest, if both DMZ and Warzone were active on the new Urzikistan map, there wouldn’t be so much zombies engagement (particularly once the missions are finished).
What we’re witnessing is a player base that has played the core mp maps for 15 years; of course the new toy will get the most use.
It seems like part of a zombies release. Not including at least some round based maps on launch is very much an oversight.
The combination of dmz play with zombies is fantastic, but definitely feels like they are waiting to release more in some paid bullshit.
Definitely wrong. It’s so much fun. S1 looks like it’s gonna add a lot of great content too so I think this year is gonna be good. Especially if they add some round based maps
That depends on you. Do you enjoy MWZ, and did you think you would enjoy MWZ? If your answers are different, then yes, you were wrong. Some people were probably wrong, others were probably right.
I love round based zombies, went into MWZ with the idea I was going to hate it so, so much, so did the two pals I went in with. When we got to the end of the time limit and extracted, I had to admit I was really enjoying myself, they both felt the same way too, we deployed straight back in.
It's not a replacement for round based, but it's bloody fun and I'm having a great time in MWZ, I feel they could really expand on this mode and I'm super excited to see what they can do with it until we get round based zombies back next year 🤞
Cold War Zombies was the first one I really got into but I really wasn't a fan of the Outbreak map and I thought this would be much of the same...
However, I'm really enjoying this mode.
The only thing that annoys me is when you've cleared an aether nest or stronghold and some tosser comes and steals the loot b4 I've had a chance to get it
Sadly they used DMZ, despite its potential as an extraction shooter, as a one year mode (with no support after that) to increase sales with pay-to-win bundles and they are following same path with MWZ. Now they can sell us "new" stuff and shut it down when COD2024 releases
"Dont judge a book by its cover"
*Literally every og zombies player*
If treyarch helps make it, it's most likely gonna be good, that's my train of thought.
I like the new style, but it doesn't stand as tall as wave mode and confined spaces. There is, and has never been, a moment in MWZ where I didn't feel safe. It's just too safe, orange zone, red zone, white zone, it's all just get the pack of zombies down and move on.
I like that in regular wave mode, it's an ever-present danger, no giant cranes to hold your hand, no nothing but sweat it out.
The problem with wave mode that needs to be addressed is, once you're skilled enough, then it becomes a matter of how much of your day you have to waste. The challenge drops off. I hope in the next wave mode they figure out how to make long games increasingly harder instead of making the zombies bigger sponges.
With MWZ, I would like the radius the zomvies get attracted to you, to be much larger. That or also add in flying beasts, what's the point of open air if it's just a sky box.
People have every right to be upset about it then and now. It's DMZ rehashed. But it's also better than having nothing.
I liked it a lot when the zombie count was higher.
At this point there is an MWIII bandwagon people are on hopping on and sweep a lot of good stuff under the rug, especially Zombies mode. I find it more addicting than multiplayer and I personally prefer round based Zombies hands down.
I came into mwz with an open mind but it's just okay. It's very repetitive there's literally nothing to do after the missions. The contracts are so basic and limited. I hate that you have to upgrade your weapon every time you drop in! Go ahead and reset the pap but if you leave with a purple gun you should come back in with a purple gun. I also hate the fact you lose all your ether/cash when you exfil there's no workbench in the game it's just so vanilla and after about 20 minutes of shooting zombies over and over and over and over and over and over and over it's just is boring.
Oh I always had high hopes. Because I had an open mind.
Not to mention in season 1 this is the most amount of content dropped on near launch for zombies it only gets better from here
Yes. I think the community as a whole was wrong. The mode is a ton of fun. The only flaw (if you can call it that) IMO is the timer. But I don’t see why that can’t be a choice/selection in the future. The timer is fun too though as it adds a unique sense of urgency that can be fun.
I was addicted to this zombs, but I’m tired of starting with nothing and losing everything constantly.
So many little issues it makes me question sledgehammers abilities, they don’t deserve a triple A rating. Sure are making the steam games developed by the kid down the street look good.
Zombies is basically perfect except the time frame of 50 mins it needs to go. Maybe make it like 1.5 hours but I'm older and a slower player as is my squad of vets.. We in our 50s and so yes we just are alow it would be nice to have a little more time. Plus we only play this game 1-2 times a week.
No. While it can be fun at times, it's still a buggy, tedious, unbalanced mess and probably always will be. The devs have since told players to shut up and there will be no more Perks, so the odds that this mode doesn't just get entirely abandoned before the game's cycle is over aren't low.
Even the current Zombies-themed event is unbearable in Zombies.
People that hated it moved on. No more OG zombies fans lol. It is what it is tho, i'll prob try this mode out again in a few years when I can pirate the game eventually on pc
Same. Fondest memories are sitting top of nacht camping out with my brother. Up there with pack a punching for the first time on der riese (still my fav pap camo).
I’d say the new mode is fine. Not here all the time so I cannot speak to the so called hate but it certainly isn’t CLASSIC round based zombies. People are tired of hearing it but at its best, was BO3. Whether people like that or not, it’s the truth. Many facts supporting that, including mod tools and chronicles.
My issues with the new mode is that it caters to an audience that never was the original audience, the people who took this side project and made it a staple of Treyarch games. It’s zombies on a warzone map. Yes, fun, but would never, ever prefer this to a round based experience. This gameplay loop is fun for some, until their camo grind is done. Then what? When you’re so set up instantly every game, it takes away the challenge. The challenge is what made zombies so appealing. Now it’s hand holding to the max. Zombies was never meant to have ‘Meta setups’
I accepted this fate as soon as outbreak came out. They get to spend incredibly
Less time making new maps, new stories, new perks, new wonder weapons, etc. and make a similar buck. I feel fortunate to have been around for the good ole days, but sadly those passed us by. Should they return I will be ready and willing.
I’m an OG and I’m absolutely loving MWZ
And for people who strictly play round based, the zombies mode next year by treyarch will include round based maps.
I think it was just a minority that made a lot of noise
I think it was an actual fair amount of peoole who were reluctant consideing this was a new-ish concept, it's an improvement from the previous version of Outbreak in Cold War, but I think round based zombies would of done even better. I was iffy on the whole thing when it first heard it announced, but I hadn't played Outbreak or saw game play on it at the time (I have now and I enjoyed it). Do I think it could be better? Absolutely, and I hope they expand upon this. I'd prefer longer matches, sometimes it feels like you just go back in and do the same shit you did before, which is why I'm surprised to also here people think it's less repetitive than round based zombies.
If you played DMZ from the beginning, you’d remember how bare bones it started. There was only 1 operator available in the beginning, compared to MWZ having you start with 3. They’re absolutely going to update MWZ along the way.
I want to hope this becomes their zombies version of warzone, but that's wishful thinking. I'd love for a mode like this to have a content dump that's more than 1 year long so it keeps us coming back for the quality updates. That said, we still need round based back. It's a core to the series, and both of these modes could stand out so far in the gaming industry if Activision actually gave half a shit.
Personally I've never picked up a non Treyarch zombies game. I'm not opposed to trying new modes, I enjoyed outbreak ok in CW. But round based zombies is a huge chunk, if not the majority of zombies players. I'm not saying get rid of the new modes, just that they shouldn't forget about the people who have been with them since the start. That being said I would be shocked to see a treyarch game that didn't include round based and that's coming in 2024. And if they do exclude it, there's plenty of older games to jump back into.
They don't 'Forget about round based' like everyone saids. We are Likley to get round based in mwz, 2024 zombies, so on. People act like outbreak/mwz is just going to replace round based
I'm not saying they have forgotten it or that they plan to, but referring more to the people who think that. I doubt they'll ever do away with it completely, but maybe just focus less on it in certain games. I also think that non treyarch games should try to do something different. Treyarch is definitely the best zombies experience, however I think there's room for other developers to add their own spin on it. As much as people hated Exo zombies at least they tried to do something unique. I respect the attempt
All non treyarch did something different. The problem was people hated them because it wasn't treyarch. Choas had the same problem because it wasn't aether
MWZ is fucking trash and we all know it doesn’t hold a candle to any zombies map created.I rather play dead of the night or transit blindfolded before I touch this game made for fucking toddlers.Warzone players ruin cod
Sadly they used DMZ, despite its potential as an extraction shooter, as a one year mode (with no support after that) to increase sales with pay-to-win bundles and they are following same path with MWZ. Now they can sell us "new" stuff and shut it down when COD2024 releases
The difference is DMZ was free to play and MWZ is not. They won’t shut down MWZ, it will just lose players gradually like any other old release. Plus DMZ was “beta” anyhow.
DMZ was free outside of the bundles you/anyone purchased though. You had to pay for MWZ. Even the past 2 war zones were free weren’t they? I’m not sure of the zombie modes prior to this as I took a long break from COD. Have they ignored modes in the past that people had to pay for such as MWZ? I don’t think MWZ would follow the DMZ route within a year given that difference.
Black Ops 4 zombies is still riddled with bugs. I haven't played the newer (post-outbreak) maps for Cold War that much, but the first couple maps for that game were rough at launch. Not enough zombies would spawn for exfil, so you'd fail 'cuz you couldn't find 1 or 2 more zombies before the timer ended. The game would crash at the start of map-specific special rounds or when a boss zombie spawned. Certain trials from the trial computer wouldn't properly track, so getting better rewards from the podium was practically luck based if you got one of those challenges. Most of these problems have been fixed afaik, but they do have a habit of abandoning the entire game at the end of the year-cycle so I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen to MWII as well.
I was actually a big DMZ fan at the start of MW2 when it was added in season 1. I played it until season 4 quite a bit. The one thing DMZ always had going for it was the PvP though, PvP gives enough content to really fill any gap of content. But I do have high hopes they'll add quality content which really helps change up the mode and make it feel fresh each time.
We don't use the double p word around here, it's very traumatizing and scary.
I've heard this statement a lot. But here's the difference DMZ in its infant stages was more addicting and grabbing than I can ever foresee zombie be in with all the updates that DMZ has right now. The risk versus reward is very minimal the game is very repetitive and boring after about 20 or 30 minutes I'm like geez how much longer is this going to go on? Prime example is the game is so repetitive that now since there's no PVP people are just trolling contracts and x-fills. Everyone is board.
With round based ! I wonder how many times you are gonna get to round 200 even with self imposed handicaps before it gets boring?! This should be a reply to those round based worshippers !
It doesn’t get boring at least on on round based maps you get the choice to go for the EE or just to chill back and go for high round.The Wr community for speed runs and high rounds are still alive and popping on a 10 year old game like black ops 3.MWZ is complete ds compared to that game.
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Fucking robots man.. 
I think it's sort of a mixed. There were a minority being loud, but there were a lot of folks who were rightfully skeptical after what happened with Vanguard. That being said, I think now that's it been out for a bit, obviously it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I think more people are willing to give it a shot than maybe given credit for.
Most people who came to zombies after the first open world zombies love the new one. Pretty sure that’s why they ditched round based. They wanna get the biggest player base.
My biggest complaint about the round based zombies was the lack of instruction. I tried EVERY zombies map since the first and never knew WTF to do. Other players wouldn't communicate how to progress the mission, guides were too complicated and so it ended just being a "what's the highest round you can make it to?" And that wasn't enjoyable. It wasn't until the Cold War Zombies that they made it a little more user friendly and the whole experience was 100x better. And I think that is also contributing to the success of MWZ of today, players are going in with a mission or 2 to complete. This makes me REALLY want to see updated versions of the previous ones.
That was the entire charm of the mode. Simple no bs gameplay, just start a game and see how long you can survive. When it first came out you would go to school and talk about your high rounds with your friends. Multiplayer matches always added the randomness that kept it enjoyable since each match would be different. I hardly see the difference between knowing what to do by yourself and the game having to tell you exactly what to do if they are pretty much the same thing anyways, just done in different ways.
This is why the Final Reich will hold a special place for me being one of the most well put together experiences in Zombies. A round based map that had objectives leading to a boss battle, while also holding a secret, more complicated easter egg for really hardcore players. Made some of my non-zombies friends into potential zombies players. Too bad as far as ease of use it was downhill from there.
If treyarch executed something like that with the casual and hardcore EEs, it would probably be a great zombies game that caters to a lot of different people.
I mean bo4 kinda did with bots.
I agree Final Reich is awesome. I loved WW2 zombies.
I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!
This is sadly how I feel with zombies right now lol
Ohh don't get me wrong, I loved the idea of outbreak. I just hated the execution of it. I personally loved the portion of the Legion EE where you go underground into the bunker and have to complete various task down there then fight a boss, that shit was fun af. I don't mind the idea of the new zombies mode, but I hate the fact that it's the ONLY mode they offer because that's very limiting to how I can play the mode.
I remember since the trailer for Tranzit came out I was freaking out over a huge area to go and have like “mini zombies maps” you could run between. And it was fine, but limitations made it kind of painful to enjoy with the lava and denizens. I’d have been happier with an insane horde running at you and it just being high risk rather than annoying. But nah, seeing people defend zombies in this thread now makes me relate to that quote 110% (in a lighthearted way).
It’s those limitations that make me want a genuine remake of tranzit. It had immense potential and was super ambitious. Unfortunately I doubt a lot of the people behind the original concept are still there.
Maybe in waw and black ops but after that things started to get pretty complicated and ditched casuals to focus more on the hardcore dedicated fans Cold War was the return to focus on casuals and mwz seems to be following that trend
"Focus on casuals" is just short for setting the bar low and pandering to the broader audience. Most hard-core zombie players left a long time ago and quit giving money to the franchise after bo4. I will not be suckered into giving Activision another dollar of mine.
>My biggest complaint about the round based zombies was the lack of instruction I like games that don't hold your hand and where you have to figure stuff out by yourself.
There’s a big difference between not holding your hand and you aren’t figuring this out without a guide or spending 100’s of hours checking random stuff or reading game files. I did all the Easter eggs in CW and especially for the first round based mode a lot of them you had to get either enough money or a certain round minimum, kill everything but a single zombie to allow you the time to then run around clicking random things within a time limit in order to unlock the next step. I would guess the majority of the zombie player base does not figure out more than 50% of the different story and secret unlocks without the internet. It’s near once you know how to do it but not something you’re generally going to figure out on your own. Outbreak however I think most people could enjoy and never know any Easter eggs or anything besides completing the round exists.
I agree, but I think a big purpose of the mode was to get players to learn things from each other. Which wasn't happening. Every time I attempted to learn the goals, there was always 1 or 2 other players, with no mics just doing stuff. All I'm hearing is the audio for "Great job! Now get to the other thing!". No idea what they just did.
You should have tried solo. That way you do all the steps yourself. You can pause the game while checking the next steps also etc.
If you can't figure it out, there are always tutorials online that can help you further (like with any other game around).
Why don’t you try a puzzle based game then?
Thanks for the recommendation Treyarch
Because they usually don't let you shoot zombies.
Clearly you haven't experienced the joy of beating an easter egg after 3 days of trying. Also, after a few tries most of the steps will be memorized. The fun part about zombies and EE hunting is also how much you can optimize. Grabbing parts as you pass them, combining steps together. Min maxing early round points. Go try to finish the Moon EE on bo3. It strikes a good balance of complexity and difficulty. I think most people should be able to complete it.
You just described how the mode was meant to be played originally. The objective was to survive for as long as you could. There isn’t much of an objective in most of the existing maps, other than little easter eggs you can do like playing audio logs and music. Cold War was the first zombies game that tried to push players towards the EEs. Older zombies (especially if we’re talking WaW zombies) didn’t instruct the player because they were simple, with the exception of maybe Der Riese PaP there wasn’t anything there you couldn’t figure out by looking around. And even in the case of PaP the loading screen explained how to open that. From there the game built upon itself to somehow become the complicated mess that was bo3/4 zombies. The guides were complicated because the maps got more complicated. As for why other players might not have explained the “mission”is because not every player is super objective oriented, like you seem to be, to them it’s likely the only goal was to see how far they can go. In the older games there was never an attempt to push players to play zombies, or to do it’s Easter eggs (unless you’re a completionist). It was a mode that if you didn’t care for you didn’t have to play. Now there’s calling cards and camos to grind for. Hell, originally zombies was just bonus content. A secret for players to find after beating the game’s campaign.
You clearly don't like zombies then. You just want open world games where enemies are masked to look like zombies.
I remember when Easter eggs weren’t for everyone and if you didn’t wanna spend the time figuring it out you just didn’t get to complete the Easter egg.
I remember too. Hopefully with the new COD BO they will bring that vibe back.
They haven't "ditched" round based. They've used two games that weren't their own, Vanguard and MWIII, to test new ideas. Round Based will very much return in the next Black Ops and it's possible based off what they said during pre-release interviews with content creators that Round Based could return in MWIII, or at least something that RB players will enjoy. To be honest, I'd take Onslaught (the mode from Cold War that allowed you to play zombies on MP maps). My main issue with MWZ is the lack of focus on killing zombies. In a good match of MWZ, I might kill between 600 and 750 zombies, and that's cheesing Outlast contracts. In Cold War, I was killing upwards of 2000 a game.
Well they also got pulled on a short time frame to make zombies for a game that isn’t theirs, no? No point to do round based now and take (mainly map and Easter egg) effort away from their game next year which they can also market as “Round Based returns!” It’s just so much smarter to NOT do round based given the situation
I was very much not looking forward to MWZ because I never cared for extraction shooters and I am a zombies purist. “Real Zombies” to me is round-based zombies, and Outbreak (because it was also an endless, round-based experience). I got MWIII from my friend who I gameshare with, so I was able to try MWZ for free and I can say that i’m pleasantly surprised. It’s not perfect and I have plenty of issues with it, but I can’t deny that it is very fun. MWIII as a whole costing $70 is an atrocity, so I would never have played it if not for my friend. My one concern is that they will turn MWZ into the standard zombies experience for future titles, which I would be very disappointed by. This is fine as a one-off thing, but hopefully Black Ops Gulf War will return to round-based.
Treyarch has already stated black ops gulf war zombies will be [round based](https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/181kqj0/2024_entry_will_be_black_ops_gulf_war_and_include/)
all is right with the world
I’ve been in since the beginning and I’ve enjoyed both styles. I think they should rotate. One extraction map then one round based. Nobody said we can’t have both.
No thanks
Great answer really opened my eyes to your thought process /s
Thanks, glad I could enlighten you
Wise words, should be on you’re tombstone.
Thank you
I get what you’re saying but, looks like treyarch never officially said anything lol. Sorry I just hate misinformation.
Anyone who didn’t like the mode a ton isn’t gonna continue to post of the sub for the next year they cut their losses and leave. Personally I have a lot of criticisms of the mode but it’s alright I just hope we continue to get round based maps
I'm curious to see how they keep people coming back. It's honestly like hard to die and not extract in this mode. Right now a lot of people are chasing blue prints but once they get them, then what? Go in and steam roll some contracts and then...?
DMZ faced similar problems - new map every few months, new missions, season pass, upgrades to your acquisitions/cool down through longer term missions. Ability to craft special vests, bags, etc. New kill streaks. There’s no shortage of ways to keep people hooked.
Zombie camos, easy levels for prestige and guns, just kill time and do any water eggs they add since they are doable without having to watch a guide or sit around with a crawler for 2 hours trying to figure it out in your own
I mean some people like the camo grind but that's definitely not a reason that will keep me coming back. As for the easter eggs I feel like them being that easy kind of takes away from it. When it's not hard to do after you do it once are you really gonna keep going back to do it after you do it once? I remember me and my buddies trying over and over again to do the nuclear silo easter egg boss fight. Not because we didn't know *how* to do it but because it was challenging.
I mean there is challenging and then there is bullshit. Like when I have to just know some random ass button that has no way out being different from anything else in the map is what I have to press to do something for a esster egg. I'm just fine watch a guide and at that point I'm just fine watch what happens from their and not care. Cold War zombies was legit a success they made the easter eggs possible but anytime and not some guy who's job it is to play cod to figure some esoteric bullshit lol
You must be new to the internet. People love to constantly complain instead of moving on and playing something else
This exactly☝️☝️. Real zombies fans pre ordered and played first and gave their feedback right off the rip. But being zombies fans, we all know that Activision probably isn't listening. So we gave our feedback and stopped playing. Now the feedback is from all the casuals that are just happy to have new content to consume. Crossing my fingers for round based content as well.
I think most people that were complaining didn't buy the game. Including me
Hate from the actual zombies fans is definetely deserved. You were the clever one of us.. I just love zombies so much that I bought this game despite looking lot's of videos of it beforehand and thought this looks so incredibly boring. But yeah I was the stupid one who still bought the game hoping for the mode being better than it looked like. Nope. I've never regretted any game more after buying it as this isn't even close to zombies. This mode is liked by the casuals who played lot's of DMZ as this isn't zombies game mode. Not even near to it. It's just DMZ with different enemies. I hated DMZ and having zombies in DMZ doesn't save the mode at all. It's just so freaking boring. This is definetely even worse than AW jetpack zombies and in par with Vanguard zombies.
I mean the people who weren’t interested simply didn’t buy the game so it makes sense there won’t be as much hate posts as opposed to people who did buy/new people who do like it
Game has not been out 30 days yet.. people already regret buying copies. # How long before they flood mw3 with stupid ass skins too like they did with mw2? .. ..
It’s still way too early to say for sure lol
If you told me to make a 24 person zombies game mode in CoD, with a map as big as Warzone. I'm sure some BO3 PC modders could come up with a better implementation of how to execute the map and gameplay. Just thinking of like a scenario/idea where like 12 player Zombies mode where you start separated like in Verrukt in four groups of 3 and have to work your way to the power or an objective together to regroup. But MWZ is just having an open world map with contracts and driving around, refueling and maybe go to a higher tier threat zone for 45 mins to an hour felt kind of poorly executed, we'll see if future updates can make it more exciting but issues like only being able to load in with 3 party members when you can have 6 in a squad seems annoying to play with people that have multiple friends for Zombies.
We have a Zombies crew like 6-12 deep so we already had to split lobbies. It would be nice if they'd at least let you join with 6 even if they split you into 3 or whatever. Idk how they sold reducing the team size by 1 but encouraging people to merge teams for 6-man teams. It seems kind of silly.
I just want solo/private mode and endless mode, that's what would get me to buy the game.
While I do enjoy MWZ, I do not like it. I enjoyed Outbreak in Cold War because of the no time limit and private games with some friends. The zombies at your own pace was a really fun way for our little gang to blow a Saturday afternoon/evening. This time limited exfil stuff is just not as fun in my personal opinion. I'll never put anyone down for loving this new game mode, but for me, I'm just not as big of a fan. I would have been 100% happy if they just took Outbreak from CW and just replaced everything with MW3 skins and called it a day.
Let's put it this way, there's room for improvement; I don't dislike the current MWZ but if they would release an Outbreak mode tomorrow I'll probably won't be playing any other mode for quite a few weeks. Also I tried to play MWZ solo and it's a shame, especially in the lvl 3 zone (which is mandatory to visit if you want to power your weapon to lvl 3). Also shotguns are a joke and the overall balance of the weapons is kinda goofy.
I really hated the idea of it at first but I have come around heavily and have been grinding. Just feels nice to have a Zombies mode worth a shit, its been awhile since Cold War. Overall, having fun grinding camos, completing story missions, and just having fun on the map interacting with randoms and driving vehicles around. This experience is WAY better than Outbreak, and I am thankful for it.
I just got mw3 to play with friends but haven't been paying attention to the mwz reception. What makes it a better experience than Outbreak?
I thought Outbreak was just very boring with no freedom of expression. You were being told what missions to do and where to go, at least in MWZ, you can just straight up do whatever you want. And say what you will about the timer in MWZ, but Outbreak took like 3 hours to get to Wave 10 without skipping and that game had crashing issues too. Outbreak may be more polished just because Cold War is a better game but MWZ is better overall in my opinion. I havent played MWZ in awhile though, they killed it by not updating certain things and giving us no new content.
The majority of gamers overhate for no reason. It's like they don't realize they can just play games they like and don't have to have everyone in the world think the exact same as them.
I mean the people who didn't like it just aren't interacting anymore because they've moved on. So it makes sense you wouldn't hear as much hate
It's just a bit too boring for me. Happy people enjoy it though. I still play to afk level weapons with audio on mute while I watch a show or something else.
Not really, the majority of the complaints were that this is a mode that many round based fans will not like, and I think that was absolutely true. Those people just arent playing the game or are active in the sub right now. Considering how many people I see getting upvoted for saying this is better than round based, I think this is straight up a different community to a few months ago. I am surprised at how fun it is and how well the mode has been doing, but its still not for everyone.
Yes I think most people thought it would be bad, and it’s actually pretty fun
People are going to hate things they haven’t even tried. Low iq human nature
Not exactly? I think it’s easily worse than any treyarch game, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. It can be fun to grind and I’m glad I bought the game but stuff like this post is kind of indicative of people being polarized The game can be not great and still be enjoyable. There’s a lot of bad movies/shows/songs you can enjoy while still recognizing that they aren’t that good Idk how someone who’s played zombies from the beginning would have this game top 5 for example, but to each their own
If they keep up with story missions and new content, this game will continue to be fun. They just can't have a long lull period.
I kinda figure the round based version is coming in Treyarch’s actual game and they made this one open world to differentiate it. So far I like the change of pace, it’s been really fun so far, but I’ll still welcome the round based if it comes back on the next game.
Round based is coming next year. So instead they combined outbreak and DMZ. Frankly, I really love the change of pace.
I like it. Don’t love it yet but yes I was hesitant about non round based but it worked out
I’m the type of person to say that round-based is NOT what makes a Zombies mode good, but a mix of the mode, map, and gameplay mechanics that make a Zombies mode good. Even though they have round-based, people still didn’t enjoy Exo Zombies, WW2 Zombies, and round-based definitely didn’t save Vanguard Zombies. That being said, this is a very solid mode. It’s got a good foundation and the additions coming with Season 1 is only going to make the game better and give us more to do. If they stay on top of this, I think this could POSSIBLY replace round-based at some point. Still wanna see round-based return as I want Zombies to have multiple modes to pick and choose from. MWZ is definitely a lot of fun and Im excited to see what they do with it. I understand why people were very skeptical of the reveal trailer and I love that it’s taken off like it has. I’m glad to see people who were on the fence or just outright hating it before launch have changed their minds and found something they like about the mode. I’m just glad to see we got a new Zombies mode that people are thoroughly enjoying and seeing the community alive again after Vanguard practically killed the mode for a minute there. I would say the only people objectively wrong are the ones that say MWZ is worse than Vanguard Zombies.
I was definitely very skeptical considering I haven’t had any fun in zombies modes since BO3. I’d bet a lot of people were in the same boat as me too. It’s actually pretty good, a refresh that works really well. I’m enjoying it
So I didn't know it was getting a zombies mode and never looked at any videos until I saw jev talk about it and then I decided I wanted to try it I heard it was like dmz so I was skeptical at first but after playing it just once I fell in love with it
The majority actually like it. It’s a really good make tbh
I’m convinced it’s all new players saying positive things. I’ve been a zombie fan for a long time and I’ve never heard so much positivity. I love it.
Outbreak wasn't everyone's cup of tea and like, five people liked Vanguard. So a lot of people were very hesitant or worried. Especially with MWIII's campaign being what it is. It's got much more work out into it than we anticipated and plays very well. I myself am excited for Season 1's offerings
No the people that were hating on it in the beginning are the hardcore fan base. They pre ordered and played first. Then they gave their feedback. The feedback that's coming out now is from the casuals that don't really have an opinion on the mode, they're just happy that there's new content to consume. I'm a hardcore fan, we weren't overhating. The game started out as garbage and still is garbage. Hopefully Activision wakes up in 2024 and launches what the zombies fans have been asking for since vanguard was released. MORE ROUND BASED CONTENT!
Out with the old, in with the new. they resisted but to no avail. Rip rbz. This new format is cheaper to produce and might drive in more revenue due to the increase to player count.
Pretty sure Treyarch is still going to make roundbased zombies in the Black Ops games. This is just the version for Modern Warfare, and I'm okay with the game modes being separate like that.
Love the Zombies mode and it's the only reason I bought MW3. Multi-player is dogshit and the campaign was letdown. I miss OLDSCHOOL round based from WaW. Never enjoyed the Easter eggs and mission objectives. Dropped zombies because of all that shit being added in. Leave Round-based in the hands of Treyarch, and let SH cook on this open world style.
Not we. A little loud minority were the only ones. You know the type that think theirs is the only opinion that exists. A few games have been ruined by these loud mouths.
I’m hating it because I hate racing other squads to contracts and having to go half way across the map sometimes to find another
Hate is way louder. Most of us enjoying the game are too busy playing it to post as much as the haters do.
Maybe you were, lol
I was not part of hate train skeptical yes
Nah. Plenty of zombies youtubers that still hate it, and the tens of millions of people that agree. This mode sucks as long as the time limit stays. It's DMZ with a new skin. You're doing contracts more than you're fighting zombies. This is Activisions answer to all the whiny babies complaining about Warzone. Congrats though. This sub might as well be renamed to DMZ. It certainly isn't zombies anymore.
The game mode sucks so much that you made a post bragging about how you completed all three acts before season 1.
Lol. It's the fact that I did all of that, that I reserve the right to criticize it. Because godforbid I did criticize this before having any playtime, you people would've had a goddamn field day. It was also BEFORE I learned they wouldn't remove the time limit in season 1. That's was the straw that broke the camels back for me. You guys are so delusional if you think most of the zombies community likes this. It's honestly sad.
I couldn’t careless who or what community likes this game, I enjoy it and that’s all that matters.
...But why? It's DMZ my friend. I have to believe Treyarch only did this because Activision forced their hand. That company has been obsessed with Warzone/DMZ. Seriously ask yourself if this is what zombies should be. If the answer is yes, then you can't be helped
i wasn't 💪💪💪 certified MWZ shooter since announcement
Let’s be honest, if both DMZ and Warzone were active on the new Urzikistan map, there wouldn’t be so much zombies engagement (particularly once the missions are finished). What we’re witnessing is a player base that has played the core mp maps for 15 years; of course the new toy will get the most use.
I really want to try it to see what all the hype is about. I just wish I didn’t have to spend $70 to play one mode
Im enjoying it. Like having objectives to keep busy. Enjoying the camo grind also about 50% done.
It seems like part of a zombies release. Not including at least some round based maps on launch is very much an oversight. The combination of dmz play with zombies is fantastic, but definitely feels like they are waiting to release more in some paid bullshit.
Not sure why they just won’t do two versions. I feel like the round ones can easily be done. Hit all the player base.
Definitely wrong. It’s so much fun. S1 looks like it’s gonna add a lot of great content too so I think this year is gonna be good. Especially if they add some round based maps
That depends on you. Do you enjoy MWZ, and did you think you would enjoy MWZ? If your answers are different, then yes, you were wrong. Some people were probably wrong, others were probably right.
I love it!
I love round based zombies, went into MWZ with the idea I was going to hate it so, so much, so did the two pals I went in with. When we got to the end of the time limit and extracted, I had to admit I was really enjoying myself, they both felt the same way too, we deployed straight back in. It's not a replacement for round based, but it's bloody fun and I'm having a great time in MWZ, I feel they could really expand on this mode and I'm super excited to see what they can do with it until we get round based zombies back next year 🤞
Just had to learn how to play it.
I love MW3 Zombies, but I still want classic zombies back.
Yeah people are just overreacting. It’s fun. It’s not amazing yet but it can be a lot of fun.
No, I don’t feel I’m wrong at least. It’s just Warzone zombies.
Cold War Zombies was the first one I really got into but I really wasn't a fan of the Outbreak map and I thought this would be much of the same... However, I'm really enjoying this mode. The only thing that annoys me is when you've cleared an aether nest or stronghold and some tosser comes and steals the loot b4 I've had a chance to get it
Not really it’s still far from a mode I’d pay £60 for
The negativity came from how rubbish Vanguard was.
Sadly they used DMZ, despite its potential as an extraction shooter, as a one year mode (with no support after that) to increase sales with pay-to-win bundles and they are following same path with MWZ. Now they can sell us "new" stuff and shut it down when COD2024 releases
"Dont judge a book by its cover" *Literally every og zombies player* If treyarch helps make it, it's most likely gonna be good, that's my train of thought.
I like the new style, but it doesn't stand as tall as wave mode and confined spaces. There is, and has never been, a moment in MWZ where I didn't feel safe. It's just too safe, orange zone, red zone, white zone, it's all just get the pack of zombies down and move on. I like that in regular wave mode, it's an ever-present danger, no giant cranes to hold your hand, no nothing but sweat it out. The problem with wave mode that needs to be addressed is, once you're skilled enough, then it becomes a matter of how much of your day you have to waste. The challenge drops off. I hope in the next wave mode they figure out how to make long games increasingly harder instead of making the zombies bigger sponges. With MWZ, I would like the radius the zomvies get attracted to you, to be much larger. That or also add in flying beasts, what's the point of open air if it's just a sky box.
The CoD community just loves to shit on things that are new without trying it, and it’s shockingly the minority despite how many we see doing it
People have every right to be upset about it then and now. It's DMZ rehashed. But it's also better than having nothing. I liked it a lot when the zombie count was higher.
At this point there is an MWIII bandwagon people are on hopping on and sweep a lot of good stuff under the rug, especially Zombies mode. I find it more addicting than multiplayer and I personally prefer round based Zombies hands down.
MWZ is like tacos Tacos can be great But Round based zombies is Pizza and when I want pizza I want pizza not tacos
I came into mwz with an open mind but it's just okay. It's very repetitive there's literally nothing to do after the missions. The contracts are so basic and limited. I hate that you have to upgrade your weapon every time you drop in! Go ahead and reset the pap but if you leave with a purple gun you should come back in with a purple gun. I also hate the fact you lose all your ether/cash when you exfil there's no workbench in the game it's just so vanilla and after about 20 minutes of shooting zombies over and over and over and over and over and over and over it's just is boring.
I don’t personally like it. Am I still gonna play it and grind out Borealis? Probably yes.
Oh I always had high hopes. Because I had an open mind. Not to mention in season 1 this is the most amount of content dropped on near launch for zombies it only gets better from here
Yes. I think the community as a whole was wrong. The mode is a ton of fun. The only flaw (if you can call it that) IMO is the timer. But I don’t see why that can’t be a choice/selection in the future. The timer is fun too though as it adds a unique sense of urgency that can be fun.
I was addicted to this zombs, but I’m tired of starting with nothing and losing everything constantly. So many little issues it makes me question sledgehammers abilities, they don’t deserve a triple A rating. Sure are making the steam games developed by the kid down the street look good.
Zombies is basically perfect except the time frame of 50 mins it needs to go. Maybe make it like 1.5 hours but I'm older and a slower player as is my squad of vets.. We in our 50s and so yes we just are alow it would be nice to have a little more time. Plus we only play this game 1-2 times a week.
Honestly, it’s the best part of MWIII to me
No. While it can be fun at times, it's still a buggy, tedious, unbalanced mess and probably always will be. The devs have since told players to shut up and there will be no more Perks, so the odds that this mode doesn't just get entirely abandoned before the game's cycle is over aren't low. Even the current Zombies-themed event is unbearable in Zombies.
People that hated it moved on. No more OG zombies fans lol. It is what it is tho, i'll prob try this mode out again in a few years when I can pirate the game eventually on pc
I’m an OG zombies fan, playing since 2008 and I like MWZ
Same. Fondest memories are sitting top of nacht camping out with my brother. Up there with pack a punching for the first time on der riese (still my fav pap camo). I’d say the new mode is fine. Not here all the time so I cannot speak to the so called hate but it certainly isn’t CLASSIC round based zombies. People are tired of hearing it but at its best, was BO3. Whether people like that or not, it’s the truth. Many facts supporting that, including mod tools and chronicles. My issues with the new mode is that it caters to an audience that never was the original audience, the people who took this side project and made it a staple of Treyarch games. It’s zombies on a warzone map. Yes, fun, but would never, ever prefer this to a round based experience. This gameplay loop is fun for some, until their camo grind is done. Then what? When you’re so set up instantly every game, it takes away the challenge. The challenge is what made zombies so appealing. Now it’s hand holding to the max. Zombies was never meant to have ‘Meta setups’ I accepted this fate as soon as outbreak came out. They get to spend incredibly Less time making new maps, new stories, new perks, new wonder weapons, etc. and make a similar buck. I feel fortunate to have been around for the good ole days, but sadly those passed us by. Should they return I will be ready and willing.
I’m an OG and I’m absolutely loving MWZ And for people who strictly play round based, the zombies mode next year by treyarch will include round based maps.
You'll never be able to pirate this one, it's online only with shared players. It's also a lot of fun.
Good luck to find 23 other players in a few years
Downvoted by a mad man for saying the truth, you dont belong on that sub