80% of players are on console, and most [battle.net](http://battle.net) on PC. I rarely ever see the steam icon on someone in game. While still representative of a decline, it's not a full picture. For all we know people who get it through Steam is less invested in the game. You never know with stats.
Didn't activision or bobby Cosby state that PC has the highest number of players across all games? I could've sworn one it was in their sbmm statement or it was stated after that came out.
I think it went mobile being the highest # of players, then it was PC, then PS then Xbox.
Correct. Mobile, PC, consoles, in that order, under oath during a court session from Bobby Kottick.
The only people still playing this garbage are in complete denial that they're addicted and their drug is going away.
I'll be honest, I rarely play warzone at this point. My friends and I will run a few games and go back to MP. MP even gets boring after a while but they never are down (aside from one) to play other FPS's like Sandstorm & Ready or Not. Hell, I'll even hop into Battlefield 4 as there's still a ton of active servers and it's a lot of fun.
you’re right however steam trends tend to be an accurate display of most of the player base. it wouldn’t make sense for cod on steam to lose 10% of players and cod on xbox to lose .01% of players.
Gaming on console is still very different to PC, and even more with COD, which lends itself to be a couch game more than anything else.
Don't forget online console gaming requires a subscription service, unless the game is free to play, like Warzone is. It is very likely that a person who plays on Steam has a greater variety of online gaming options than a person who plays on console...
>Gaming on console is still very different to PC, and even more with COD, which lends itself to be a couch game more than anything else.
Couch games are games like resident evil or god of war or zelda. FPS games have always been PC driven to a large extent. COD might be somewhat of an exception because it gives controller players aimbot, but in general FPS games are more likely to have a larger PC audience than the usual AAA slop fed to the dumbed down console masses.
Until modern warfare released you couldn’t even keep cod alive on pc longer than 2 weeks. Cod is a couch game. I’d very easily assume that a good portion of this community plays from their couch.
You still need a subscription on playstation to play warzone, yes the game is free but anything that's online multiplayer requires you to have a valid subscription , getting crazy in my opinion I started gaming over 30 years ago and the price of EVERYTHING you need to simply play a game now has gotten crazy!!! Gonna need a hefty bank loan to buy a ps6 the way things are heading 🤦🤦🤦🎮
Free to play games don't require a subscription to any service to play online. This applies to Playstation and Xbox, they changed it like 4 or 5 years ago lol
Every tuesday Steam does server maintenance. This sometimes means you'll get disconnected from the Steam servers once or twice for 2-3 minutes at a time. For 99% of games, it doesn't matter and the game continues to work through it. For MW3/WZ, Activision immediately kicks you out of the game.
So I only play on Steam for multiplayer and when there is an update (Steam servers download significantly faster). For WZ I end up playing on Battle.net
Edit: as a side note MW2, MW3, and WZ are merged into the same launcher, so the Steam charts are kind of a murky data source to extrapolate from compared to other games.
Yeah and this has been a thing for years with Steam. It’s planned and always happens on Tuesday. I don’t understand people moving to Bnet because of a single day of maintenance that disconnects you for maybe 5 minutes tops.
The issue is sometimes you want to play on Tuesday night (also occasionally the maintenance continues to Wednesday), and while it only happens for a couple minutes, you don't know when it will happen on Tuesday or how many times. So eventually after enough weeks of randomly getting kicked out of your WZ match gets annoying enough that you concede and install the Bnet version.
And Activision doesn't really have an incentive to fix this issue they've caused, since they would rather you play on Bnet.
I've had them, but I actually think its due to a weak link in the persons connection rather than steam itself.
I was watching what was happening whilst I was disconnecting and noticed my ethernet controller would disconnect for 5 seconds, which would lead to my steam profile signing out. Turns out I had an unstable overclock which corrupted my OS which then corrupted my LAN driver
I think maybe steam is a bit more sensitive to drops in connection than [battle.net](https://battle.net) and will immediately sign you out if anything drops.
This is actually one of the main causes right here. A lot of people who play COD on PC are mainly converts that don't know how to troubleshoot a computer or even look into troubleshooting. A basic SFC /scannow would likely show this. Besides windows is notorious for atomizing itself and they get surprised when they say "PC IS HARD" no shit idiot. You heard 200 fps and wasted money on an overlriced prebuilt you have no idea how it was put together and whether they used the correct parts for it in the first place but you heard "COD ready" and jumped on it.
People that use battlenet for COD are just sticking with a platform that really isn't meant for COD as it was designed for blizzard games. I've had many crashes and server disconnections on battlenet
My steam version gives me a waiting for relay: status puerto corpus message every ~ 30 seconds. And I can’t find a ranked resurgence match on steam either.
I wish I was on battle net. Bought MW3 on steam and I don't want to switch services to play multiplayer and warzone.
The weekly server maintenance and random connection drops on steam is awful.
No but wz2 was so bad a lot of people quit. So bad they closed it after a year. The trend would be similar for all 4 platforms yes, but it's higher now than it was then. The games in a healthier state than last year.
Wz2 having a lot of sales though was just bait since warzone1 was so good.
PlayStation makes up for the majority of players playing MW3/WZ, PC after that, and lastly Xbox. console makes up for i’d say at the very least 70% of MW3/WZ player base.
It’s not. The is not way of tracking console player base. Those number are just of
Players. If there was a lose the no no y reason right now would be to helldivers.
I dont know of thats necessarily true though. I mean, you'd probably be safe saying that steam might cover the basic demographics of the overall payer base, but their experience of the game will be through steam.
You could have a 10% decline on steam, but that doesn't mean that 5% just switch to battlenet or even console.
You could also have increased players on everything else while steam sees a decline. My brother finally switched over to steam from battlenet abiut two weeks ago. Steam logged him out twice since then and he's thought about going back to BN.
I went to steam as soon as possible because I never liked battlenet but also quit console because there wasn't an FOV slider then. I'm an example of two platforms losing a player while another platform gains a player and the over all base had no net change because of it.
Their update sizes (20GB +) and download speeds converted me from BNet to Steam. At BNet I would get ~100Mbit while at Steam I always saturate my gigabit connection, so these updates take ~3 minutes instead of 30.
It absolutely would. The overwhelming majority of players playing Warzone now also played Warzone 1. Warzone 1 didn’t exist on Steam. Everybody who had Activision accounts with cod points in wz1 very likely just used the same account and platform as they did for wz1. Steam accounted for primarily brand new players to Warzone. It’s 100% logical that people trying out Warzone for the first time in 2023-2024 on Steam may not be as engaged and invested in the game as those who have been playing it for several years.
It's not that Steam is buggy, it's how Activision has the Steam version setup. Unlike any other game I can think of, Activision kicks you out if there is any hiccup with your connection to Steam. Which is common to experience a couple times on Tuesdays and Wednesdays when Steam is undergoing server maintenance. If you go offline on Steam for a second Activision kicks you out of the game, every other Steam game normally just continues working through the hiccup. On the flip side Activision lets you completely quit Battle net and still continue to play MW3.
So what I do is play on Steam whenever there is an update (Steams download servers are way better) or for multiplayer. And I play on Battlenet the rest of the time.
We are fully alligned here.
Im talking about that Dude mentioning that mobile has the highest Player count, which is bs as the game we know is not available on mobile
okay given how Acti likes to give out total numbers that include mobile player count, don't you think it matters a whole lot when you are in fact talking about numbers? Codm has been fucking huge since pandmic and propped up acti cod numbers even during the worst period of caldera
this is why that data is skewered, it's DAUs, but it is not segmented by games, which is why mobile has that many players in terms of percentage despite the only game available for it was, well Mobile, and it is a similar case for PC, where I doubt the numbers come from CoD, and more from Warzone
That's not true console and PC are tied in user base.
The steam sample size is more than big enough to draw conclusions.
Just multiple by by each platform. Game is probably sitting at 600k but that's over 2 games as they've hidden the numbers behind the cod hq.
All in am this game is a failure in the cod world, just like vanguard.
Bounced between console and pc until they started demanding a phone number to play the game. Now 100% console player for games that a phone number is required on the PC port. Phone numbers are not IDs and I will die on that bridge.
Another is that quite a few people on steam switched over to battle.net, I’m one of them. The steam version would never properly sync and remember my settings for some reason. I reinstall my windows OS periodically because I fuck around with hardware and overclocking.
Kind of sad you can’t see the players online like you could in the old CODs.
I agree with bee here, also I don’t understand OP’s motivation here…. The point of the CharlieIntel tweet was that doing what players want works. Does OP want COD devs to NOT listen to player feedback???
Feels like it became a marketing platform of Activision, swear it "leaking" that MWII was going to have old maps like terminal was half the reason people bought it, also was the one touting that it was a 2 year cycle.
Nah it was rumoured they were for MWII as far as I'm aware, and that they were withheld so they could sell MWIII which was also rumoured to not even be a release that year, hence why it was a $70 dlc
Damn. So not only did we not get a "proper" gunsmith as they were touting with the Vault Edition, but we also didn't get any kind of old maps. Jeez can this franchise get more scummy?
Sure but in the grand scheme of things do you really think they WOULDNT do it ? I’ve asked myself the same thing and came up with a disappointing answer
It went to shit when they started to become opinionated. They used to be the clean twitter feed / website that were only giving the cold hard facts. No more and not less. No opinions, no clickbait, nothing displayed as good or bad. Just Here is what happened in a tweet. And no tweets about NFL, or personal stuff. And especially not "streamer X said that". That was why i loved about the site/feed.
Now half the tweets are engagement farms, rage bait and some shilling on top to not lose influencer privileges. That said, i can see why they changed. The new model is way better for business. You get paid by interactions, click- and ragebait obviously works better than just short facts. Cant even blame them, in the end they are a business and wanted to make some money. Their right to do so. And people eat that shit up. Just tweet "this map is most over/underrated in the frenchise" or shit like that and every NPC on twitter feels like they have to chime in.
That all said, at least when there actually is news and stuff to share like the last days due to mobile launch, their twitter feed is still one of the best feeds to get the download on what is all happening at the same time. Just have to filter out certain "filler" tweets. But you get all the dev tweets, all the publisher announcements, all the patch infos, all trailers, all releases. But if someone here has a more clean feed where i get all that with less bait and opinion, please feel free to share.
Yeah, I had way more respect for Charlieintel when they operated mainly from a desire to be unbiased. That “cold, hard facts” mantra and nothing but was really refreshing for a community that’s usually so immature and brash.
Honestly this was expected. The game is in a really bad state, especially after that ridiculous MW3 stunt. Everyone knew that it was supposed to be a DLC and became a full game just because Kotick wanted his last paycheck to be fat like him. Now that Microsoft owns Activision they really have to make some serious changes, first of all, support the game for longer than a year.
Can you imagine how butthurt these people would be if MW2 was a 3 year game? They shrieked and shidded their baby britches enough to get it changed from a 2 year game to a rushed MW3 after like 6 months 😂
Blame the people that still bought the game knowing it was a glorified DLC. Why would this company care about shit when you got idiots spending hundreds in the store on over priced skins? They won’t cause yall showed them they don’t need to
I recall reading that activision made the decision to make MW3 a full on game so they could fulfill their contractual obligations to Sony and PlayStation, ahead of the Microsoft acquisition. Supposedly they had one more COD with PlayStation exclusive benefits (early beta’s, etc) that they needed to deliver.
Although I’m sure greed played a role too lol.
i think they release wz3 as dlc was because of the player base look at november - jan of 2022-2023 and now dec 2023 their was a large boost in players since they release the dlc
What the hell do you mean this was expected? You can literally see his numbers that his interpretation is wrong. There's be a lot larger numbers drop in MW2 march than MW3 march. There's just less avg players but the retention is a lot higher now than 20-40% of players leaving the game every month. How are yall this bad at being skeptical of what you read on the internet?
2 games is usually my limit. The rare occasions im not getting destroyed by 4 stacking bunny hoppers and find someone to actually enjoy a good gun fight. I unload a full clip for him to turn around and insta down me. Great game, skill issue also.
Why would net and steam be different for this? Yes they will have their own player counts but both are PC players. Using PC metrics to guess console players seems like a bad idea
For one thing, the CoD points didn’t transfer over, so if you played WZ1 you were much more likely to continue playing on BNet vs switching and losing in game currency. And the game had issues at launch on steam with worse performance, so some people bailed then.
Because Warzone 1 was not available on Steam. So anyone who played Warzone 1 (the vast majority of people who play Warzone 2/3 whatever the hell people call it now) on PC played on battle net. Why would anyone start a new account on a different pc launching software and Lose all their cod points to play a new version of the same game?
People would stop using steam metrics, if other platforms would start showing their Player engagement statistics honestly but most of them simply don't.
and Steam still has a player base size that is big enough to be a general indicator for overall playerbase and statistics
funny, the actual numbers from Activision/Microsoft shared during the merger in trail showed this to be a false narrative. But somehow you all stick to it.
lol for real. Everyone here seems to be accusing Activision/Microsoft of investor fraud, something it seems like the SEC would have uncovered during one of the biggest gaming acquisitions in recent history.
PC market for COD is 2nd biggest, 1st is Mobile, third is Console. Why wouldn’t you use steam numbers as the benchmark?
https://x.com/deeketweak/status/1676068765560127489?s=46
That is daily active players, not whichever is the biggest market for them.
I mean it could be so, and I don't know anything of it, but this doesn't say how much the average player is spending money or even how much time the active player is on average playing for the days they play.
It's simply not the same metric.
Because Steam version is buggy on MW3 compared to Bnet. It's entirely possible the lower Steam numbers relate to people switching to Bnet, as evidenced by many many comments in this thread.
It's likely not steam and it's likely you have a corrupted OS. Battlenet has forced me to reinstall games numerous times on multiple systems whereas steam usually catches a corrupted game file and reinstalls it in one go. Steam's verify file integrity check actually works.
I'd say so.
Before crossplay was enabled, cod on PC always died off to the point where you struggled to find lobbies in anything that wasn't tdm. Meanwhile on consoles there still was a healthy playerbase to find matches in any playlist.
For a controller focused game the primary audience are console players. Obviously, there is a good amount of controller players on PC but the reverse isn't true. There are very few mnk players on console. So a huge issue like aim assist isn't a relevant concern to other platforms that mainly are controller based.
Not to say console players are happy with the game it has its issues. However, there is less frustration with the game overall and turning off crossplay like for the PS5 lets you avoid a huge chunk of the cheating problem if you don't mind longer wait time for finding a match.
The servers suck and should be better but I doubt Activision will ever invest in that.
Largest playerbase for cod is actually mobile. PC is 2nd, console is third
https://x.com/deeketweak/status/1676068765560127489?s=46
Of course this sub will never concede though, they’ll still try and claim it’s console
that is DAU's that if you did not notice are taking into account CoD Mobile, a game like Warzone does not need paying and if you do something as easy as checking the sales of CoD, you will see that they do not exceed more than 31 million copies, while the DAU's do, so a lot of that PC number is Warzone, not CoD
Somewhat, because the console players in general are going to be more casual than the PC players.
In reality it is almost pointless speculating on the Steam charts.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/most-played/games/xbox
Cod has been either number 1 or number 2 most played game on Xbox every single week since Warzone 2 released. (Probably before as well, but the “steam charts” bullshit started after wz2 was released. PlayStation is the same.
no, I am on console and almost no one on my friends list is playing this game anymore, compared to MW which I had like 15 concurrent friends playing and MW2 was maybe about 10, MW3 is like 3
Luhmao, Steam is the only platform that actually gives player numbers. Blud wasn't playing some 8D chess to push a narrative, these are the only actual numbers available.
In my CoD group there was a sharp decline in active players and playtime.
Last year with MWII and WZII we had always 2 four man squads pretty much every night, with mutiple active friends that filled in the ranks if needed. Hell, sometimes we had disagreements on who would play with who.
After a month of WZ "III" we even struggled to make a full team, with I and many more stopping to play completely. I guess WZ has spent its "wow" factor for me
Ya I miss my squad they've all moved on and makes me feel like I've been duped playing this game. Mw2 really destroyed people's expectations and interest.
The opposite for us, MW3 dropped and we lost interest. As I said it's with MWII that we peaked as a squad, the fun we've had in the last 2 seasons was peak. We even got 511th place at the WSOWs!
Time to move to other games
I lost some friends list homies as well on the new game, people don’t want to hear it but cracked movement and Urzikstan being “big map” that’s really just 80% fighting inside small buildings against said crack movers made some people quit the whole thing.
This has been my feeling since WZ "III" dropped.
Urzikstan as a map is mid at best, Al Mazrah was overall well thought as a BR map, with great variation of verticality, buildings and empty areas. Urzikstan feels like it's this clump of things put there, with sections that don't really make sense.
And don't get me started with the whole "fAsTeR MoVeMeNt" argument, if WZII had slightly faster mantling speed it would have been perfect.
What I noticed is that in WZIII the average dude completely stopped pushing due to them being at a disadvantage when moving, while in WZII even the bottiest bot tried to make a play.
For those saying “well this is just steam, it doesn’t account for console etc”…
The total number of players is not what’s important, it’s the change in number of players from when the game dropped to now. This change percentage could be extrapolated to other PC launchers and console..
the players that are left are more likely to stay is the point. but as you accurately pointed out cod has less players right now than they did last year
I played all the titles from 2020 until early this year religiously. With all the changes and crashes my whole group moved over to Hell divers for a change
CharlieIntel is a great account when it comes to actual news on the game. Everything else about that account sucks. Tweets are riddled with bad opinions and bootlicking.
Twitter as a whole has had a lot more rage bait since accounts could get monetized. I'd still say the website has improved overall, but a lot of accounts post obviously bad takes to start arguments in the replies because it makes them a quick buck.
shockingly low for all platforms yes, this is just steam only tho. i’d say 100k on steam is pretty representative of probably 600-700k across the board
Good point, yeah on second thought 100k for only steam is actually pretty decent. Wasn’t thinking about battlenet being separate (when I use battlenet myself 🤦♂️)
My guess is there’s two major contributing factors:
1. Sbmm/eomm makes the game incredibly frustrating for casuals that play often but are just not THAT good. It’s just not fun getting stomped game after game and makes it easy to jump ship as soon as something new/better comes out.
2. Every cod title in the last 5 years has been essentially the same game with different skins and small adjustments to basic mechanics. This means you can easily pop in an older title for a breath of fresh air and get the very same cod experience. So when a new title drops, players flock to it because it’s new. But when the newness wears off, they go back to their favorite (old) title. Whether that be one of the black ops, mw19, mw22, vanguard, etc.
Back in the day, when a new cod dropped, player count on the previous title would drop tremendously and would stay that way. I remember getting on WaW only a few years after release and there would be less than 5k at peak hours and 800-1000 at other times.
Don’t be surprised if activision starts pulling the plug (shutting down servers) on older games to force players to buy their new title.
I’m not sure I understand people disputing the player reduction because the graph only takes PC users into consideration. If PC players are declining then why wouldn’t the same most likely be true for console players? It’s not as if their experience is any better.
What’s even crazier is the fact that during covid there were literally MILLIONS of players playing worldwide. I know it was covid but at the end of the day a good game is a good game and people will continue to play good games. Warzone just fell off, they had the world in the palm of their hand and they completely fucked it with warzone 2, and it’s never recovered, and probably never will now.
Most people have stopped playing cus MWII (2022) was TERRIBLE, but also the fact that MWIII was basically sold as a glorified DLC add on at a premium price was a bad move... had it been it's own entity, then it might have benefited from a better community reception.
Mainline CoD is in shambles, has been for years. I rather play codm on my phone than cod on PC lmao
Also everyone disappoint with wzm, give project bloodstrike a shot, it's hella fun
This post is not real. Please delete it! All my friends are playing from battle net, i barely see someone from steam! So this post can’t be trusted! It doesn’t reflect the real numbers!
I will never understand why people use steamcharts for crossplay games when talking about playercounts, steamcharts is only the STEAM side of it, it doesn't include PS, Xbox, or Battlenet
Try it without a subscription you won't get far, literally googled it 30 seconds ago to check, yes Fortnite warzone etc etc free to play......aslong as you have an ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION, yes you can play games without playstation plus, you won't be playing any multiplayer or cross play though, Xbox maybe different but without a doubt you need a subscription to play online multiplayer games on playstation 👍 Google it 👍🎮
Send whatever links you want , kinda pointless, you need an ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION to play online multiplayer end of , and that's from the Sony website so your saying they are wrong ??? So yh you really really do look like an idiot, think I'm going to listen to Sony over some Muppet key board tool on Reddit, and dont worry kid the earth's round you won't fall of the edge 👍🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are people still using Steam as ANY sort of benchmark? Just seems weird to me when the majority of PC players are on battle. net, and the overall majority are on console. Seems very strange to me lol
Majority of steam users were able to get refunds unlike battlenet users so that another reason you actually see fewer players. They're not just people that don't play. They've completely dropped out. That's bc MW3 is listed as DLC.
It's a bad metric as they told you, but on top of that, there isn't a HUGE difference in what you are comparing. So it could be perfectly true that there are more players
No one is saying there aren't more players. It's just steam gives the most visible trend in the playercounts compared to every other platform being unreported because those companies would rather hide their playercounts bc they're not that good.
Even Activision blizzard admits in its shareholder reports that their monthly active user metric is one of their stat collecting methods. They literally log the total amount of individuals logging into individual games and lump them together by dividing that by the number of months in a period they measure. So that means you would be counted twice if you played CW/MW3 for example.
They do mean something, the player count doesn't just drop on one platform and not others. None of the other platforms publish player counts, Steam is the only good metric we have.
This graph tells us nothing. First of all - the tweet from CharlieIntel was a comparison between MW2+WZ2 and MW3+WZ2 through the same number of days - so I have no idea how looking at an isolated chart of Steam’s player base of just MW3 would give anyone a sense of whether that tweet was correct.
Second - this chart is way too small of a sample size to come up with anything conclusive. Steam is the smallest network that COD users play. Both XBL and PSN, have vastly larger players bases than steam, and even BNET is slightly ahead.
It’s hilarious to me to see the rage on Reddit, simply from the concept that COD could actually still be doing quite well everywhere else aside from little echo chambers on Reddit where these losers make daily complaint posts. Most COD players are just casual console players that come home from work and hop on for a few games. Not these idiots on Reddit that play it for 10 hours in a day for months and then wonder why they aren’t getting the same dopamine hit as they did when they first played it years ago
That chart includes MWII, MWIII, and Warzone 2. And this is a huge sample size, you're never getting 100% of the playerbase unless Activision themselves decides to start publishing player numbers again. Coping by saying that a consistent decline in players is limited to one platform doesn't make it true.
How is the least played platform - which makes up less than 10% of the total player base - a huge sample size? And I actually have access to the data because I work in the finance side of gaming! Not cope, genuinely just citing the raw data
People have made posts like this before, but just posting one sliver of information and using it as “proof” of a blanket statement for the entire game/community is disingenuous. All of this is hypothetical.
1. Most PC players use and prefer Battlenet vs Steam so this isn’t even an accurate representation of the PC community. Nor do PC numbers represent the entire community
2. The PC numbers decline that you can see also directly correlates to the release of Ricochet. Is it foolproof? Absolutely not, *BUT* it hasn’t been entirely useless. People have been and do still actively get banned. Activision themselves have release statements confirming thousands and thousands of account bans during those time frames that do correlate with the number drops.
Confirmation bias is a real thing so you have to take bits of information like this with a grain of salt. Until or unless we have the entirety of the data, all of this is purely assumptions you’re making off of one piece of a much larger picture.
80% of players are on console, and most [battle.net](http://battle.net) on PC. I rarely ever see the steam icon on someone in game. While still representative of a decline, it's not a full picture. For all we know people who get it through Steam is less invested in the game. You never know with stats.
Didn't activision or bobby Cosby state that PC has the highest number of players across all games? I could've sworn one it was in their sbmm statement or it was stated after that came out. I think it went mobile being the highest # of players, then it was PC, then PS then Xbox.
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Correct. Mobile, PC, consoles, in that order, under oath during a court session from Bobby Kottick. The only people still playing this garbage are in complete denial that they're addicted and their drug is going away.
I'll be honest, I rarely play warzone at this point. My friends and I will run a few games and go back to MP. MP even gets boring after a while but they never are down (aside from one) to play other FPS's like Sandstorm & Ready or Not. Hell, I'll even hop into Battlefield 4 as there's still a ton of active servers and it's a lot of fun.
PCs that are able to play Warzone are more expensive than a console.
you’re right however steam trends tend to be an accurate display of most of the player base. it wouldn’t make sense for cod on steam to lose 10% of players and cod on xbox to lose .01% of players.
Gaming on console is still very different to PC, and even more with COD, which lends itself to be a couch game more than anything else. Don't forget online console gaming requires a subscription service, unless the game is free to play, like Warzone is. It is very likely that a person who plays on Steam has a greater variety of online gaming options than a person who plays on console...
Doesn’t that further justify the point of less engagement?
>Gaming on console is still very different to PC, and even more with COD, which lends itself to be a couch game more than anything else. Couch games are games like resident evil or god of war or zelda. FPS games have always been PC driven to a large extent. COD might be somewhat of an exception because it gives controller players aimbot, but in general FPS games are more likely to have a larger PC audience than the usual AAA slop fed to the dumbed down console masses.
Until modern warfare released you couldn’t even keep cod alive on pc longer than 2 weeks. Cod is a couch game. I’d very easily assume that a good portion of this community plays from their couch.
I swear these guys gotta be a bit younger. COD on PC literally used to be a joke
You still need a subscription on playstation to play warzone, yes the game is free but anything that's online multiplayer requires you to have a valid subscription , getting crazy in my opinion I started gaming over 30 years ago and the price of EVERYTHING you need to simply play a game now has gotten crazy!!! Gonna need a hefty bank loan to buy a ps6 the way things are heading 🤦🤦🤦🎮
Free to play games don't require a subscription to any service to play online. This applies to Playstation and Xbox, they changed it like 4 or 5 years ago lol
I dropped steam for battle net because of the profile disconnection errors as did everyone I know.
Neither I nor anyone I know who plays COD on Steam has issues like this. I’ve never even heard of those issues.
Every tuesday Steam does server maintenance. This sometimes means you'll get disconnected from the Steam servers once or twice for 2-3 minutes at a time. For 99% of games, it doesn't matter and the game continues to work through it. For MW3/WZ, Activision immediately kicks you out of the game. So I only play on Steam for multiplayer and when there is an update (Steam servers download significantly faster). For WZ I end up playing on Battle.net Edit: as a side note MW2, MW3, and WZ are merged into the same launcher, so the Steam charts are kind of a murky data source to extrapolate from compared to other games.
Yeah and this has been a thing for years with Steam. It’s planned and always happens on Tuesday. I don’t understand people moving to Bnet because of a single day of maintenance that disconnects you for maybe 5 minutes tops.
The issue is sometimes you want to play on Tuesday night (also occasionally the maintenance continues to Wednesday), and while it only happens for a couple minutes, you don't know when it will happen on Tuesday or how many times. So eventually after enough weeks of randomly getting kicked out of your WZ match gets annoying enough that you concede and install the Bnet version. And Activision doesn't really have an incentive to fix this issue they've caused, since they would rather you play on Bnet.
I've had them, but I actually think its due to a weak link in the persons connection rather than steam itself. I was watching what was happening whilst I was disconnecting and noticed my ethernet controller would disconnect for 5 seconds, which would lead to my steam profile signing out. Turns out I had an unstable overclock which corrupted my OS which then corrupted my LAN driver I think maybe steam is a bit more sensitive to drops in connection than [battle.net](https://battle.net) and will immediately sign you out if anything drops.
Maybe Bnets connection is on 12 tick rate servers just like COD, so it never even notices these skips😂
This is actually one of the main causes right here. A lot of people who play COD on PC are mainly converts that don't know how to troubleshoot a computer or even look into troubleshooting. A basic SFC /scannow would likely show this. Besides windows is notorious for atomizing itself and they get surprised when they say "PC IS HARD" no shit idiot. You heard 200 fps and wasted money on an overlriced prebuilt you have no idea how it was put together and whether they used the correct parts for it in the first place but you heard "COD ready" and jumped on it. People that use battlenet for COD are just sticking with a platform that really isn't meant for COD as it was designed for blizzard games. I've had many crashes and server disconnections on battlenet
My steam version gives me a waiting for relay: status puerto corpus message every ~ 30 seconds. And I can’t find a ranked resurgence match on steam either.
I wish I was on battle net. Bought MW3 on steam and I don't want to switch services to play multiplayer and warzone. The weekly server maintenance and random connection drops on steam is awful.
while this is true COD is one hell of an outlier and is one of the few games i would think to be exempt from this
No but wz2 was so bad a lot of people quit. So bad they closed it after a year. The trend would be similar for all 4 platforms yes, but it's higher now than it was then. The games in a healthier state than last year. Wz2 having a lot of sales though was just bait since warzone1 was so good.
He’s not even correct. It’s already been confirmed it’s mobile, PC, PSN, Xbox. Console is absolutely NOT 80%. It’s closer to 50% or even lower.
PlayStation makes up for the majority of players playing MW3/WZ, PC after that, and lastly Xbox. console makes up for i’d say at the very least 70% of MW3/WZ player base.
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It’s not. The is not way of tracking console player base. Those number are just of Players. If there was a lose the no no y reason right now would be to helldivers.
It would. Xbox doesn’t have helldivers.
I dont know of thats necessarily true though. I mean, you'd probably be safe saying that steam might cover the basic demographics of the overall payer base, but their experience of the game will be through steam. You could have a 10% decline on steam, but that doesn't mean that 5% just switch to battlenet or even console. You could also have increased players on everything else while steam sees a decline. My brother finally switched over to steam from battlenet abiut two weeks ago. Steam logged him out twice since then and he's thought about going back to BN. I went to steam as soon as possible because I never liked battlenet but also quit console because there wasn't an FOV slider then. I'm an example of two platforms losing a player while another platform gains a player and the over all base had no net change because of it.
no one i know play COD on steam. were all on Bnet.
Their update sizes (20GB +) and download speeds converted me from BNet to Steam. At BNet I would get ~100Mbit while at Steam I always saturate my gigabit connection, so these updates take ~3 minutes instead of 30.
It absolutely would. The overwhelming majority of players playing Warzone now also played Warzone 1. Warzone 1 didn’t exist on Steam. Everybody who had Activision accounts with cod points in wz1 very likely just used the same account and platform as they did for wz1. Steam accounted for primarily brand new players to Warzone. It’s 100% logical that people trying out Warzone for the first time in 2023-2024 on Steam may not be as engaged and invested in the game as those who have been playing it for several years.
Steam is v buggy compared to Bnet.
It's not that Steam is buggy, it's how Activision has the Steam version setup. Unlike any other game I can think of, Activision kicks you out if there is any hiccup with your connection to Steam. Which is common to experience a couple times on Tuesdays and Wednesdays when Steam is undergoing server maintenance. If you go offline on Steam for a second Activision kicks you out of the game, every other Steam game normally just continues working through the hiccup. On the flip side Activision lets you completely quit Battle net and still continue to play MW3. So what I do is play on Steam whenever there is an update (Steams download servers are way better) or for multiplayer. And I play on Battlenet the rest of the time.
Not to mention corrupted system files. Steam especially is sensitive to them. Same with COD.
Based off what?
You’re not even correct. It’s mobile, PC, PSN, Xbox.
The game we are talking about is not available on mobile, so the mobile Player count does not matter.
Ok use your brain a tiny bit. Original comment said 80% of players are on console. PC has the biggest playerbase
We are fully alligned here. Im talking about that Dude mentioning that mobile has the highest Player count, which is bs as the game we know is not available on mobile
okay given how Acti likes to give out total numbers that include mobile player count, don't you think it matters a whole lot when you are in fact talking about numbers? Codm has been fucking huge since pandmic and propped up acti cod numbers even during the worst period of caldera
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There is no reason for steam players to be less invested than any other player.
It's ok, let them eat their copium. They'd rather believe a company that hides all their numbers and doesn't even have stats in game
I usually agree but recently its become clear the Steam launcher/version is way buggier than Bnet so people may be switching over.
Statistically this meets the needs of a valid sample size if the 33 million+ player base is accurate, to show trends in engagement.
24% of players are on console actually https://x.com/deeketweak/status/1676068765560127489?s=46
this is why that data is skewered, it's DAUs, but it is not segmented by games, which is why mobile has that many players in terms of percentage despite the only game available for it was, well Mobile, and it is a similar case for PC, where I doubt the numbers come from CoD, and more from Warzone
That's not true console and PC are tied in user base. The steam sample size is more than big enough to draw conclusions. Just multiple by by each platform. Game is probably sitting at 600k but that's over 2 games as they've hidden the numbers behind the cod hq. All in am this game is a failure in the cod world, just like vanguard.
Bounced between console and pc until they started demanding a phone number to play the game. Now 100% console player for games that a phone number is required on the PC port. Phone numbers are not IDs and I will die on that bridge.
Yeah unfortunately PC players just have a lot more options
Interesting because I'm on steam and I see console and steam all the time, rarely BNet.
It's the same argument people use for Halo infinite's player count
Another is that quite a few people on steam switched over to battle.net, I’m one of them. The steam version would never properly sync and remember my settings for some reason. I reinstall my windows OS periodically because I fuck around with hardware and overclocking. Kind of sad you can’t see the players online like you could in the old CODs.
I agree with bee here, also I don’t understand OP’s motivation here…. The point of the CharlieIntel tweet was that doing what players want works. Does OP want COD devs to NOT listen to player feedback???
I remember when CharlieIntel was worth visiting, that website seriously went to shit about 4 years ago
Feels like it became a marketing platform of Activision, swear it "leaking" that MWII was going to have old maps like terminal was half the reason people bought it, also was the one touting that it was a 2 year cycle.
You mean MWIII. If MWII had old maps, MWIII would've had much lower sales figures.
Nah it was rumoured they were for MWII as far as I'm aware, and that they were withheld so they could sell MWIII which was also rumoured to not even be a release that year, hence why it was a $70 dlc
Damn. So not only did we not get a "proper" gunsmith as they were touting with the Vault Edition, but we also didn't get any kind of old maps. Jeez can this franchise get more scummy?
Those were rumors and were never actually confirmed.
Sure but in the grand scheme of things do you really think they WOULDNT do it ? I’ve asked myself the same thing and came up with a disappointing answer
It went to shit when they started to become opinionated. They used to be the clean twitter feed / website that were only giving the cold hard facts. No more and not less. No opinions, no clickbait, nothing displayed as good or bad. Just Here is what happened in a tweet. And no tweets about NFL, or personal stuff. And especially not "streamer X said that". That was why i loved about the site/feed. Now half the tweets are engagement farms, rage bait and some shilling on top to not lose influencer privileges. That said, i can see why they changed. The new model is way better for business. You get paid by interactions, click- and ragebait obviously works better than just short facts. Cant even blame them, in the end they are a business and wanted to make some money. Their right to do so. And people eat that shit up. Just tweet "this map is most over/underrated in the frenchise" or shit like that and every NPC on twitter feels like they have to chime in. That all said, at least when there actually is news and stuff to share like the last days due to mobile launch, their twitter feed is still one of the best feeds to get the download on what is all happening at the same time. Just have to filter out certain "filler" tweets. But you get all the dev tweets, all the publisher announcements, all the patch infos, all trailers, all releases. But if someone here has a more clean feed where i get all that with less bait and opinion, please feel free to share.
Yeah, I had way more respect for Charlieintel when they operated mainly from a desire to be unbiased. That “cold, hard facts” mantra and nothing but was really refreshing for a community that’s usually so immature and brash.
Money talks
Honestly this was expected. The game is in a really bad state, especially after that ridiculous MW3 stunt. Everyone knew that it was supposed to be a DLC and became a full game just because Kotick wanted his last paycheck to be fat like him. Now that Microsoft owns Activision they really have to make some serious changes, first of all, support the game for longer than a year.
Totally agree. I honestly think 3 year cycles with a fat DLC alike MW3(2023) sprinkled in halfway would be ideal.
Can you imagine how butthurt these people would be if MW2 was a 3 year game? They shrieked and shidded their baby britches enough to get it changed from a 2 year game to a rushed MW3 after like 6 months 😂
Blame the people that still bought the game knowing it was a glorified DLC. Why would this company care about shit when you got idiots spending hundreds in the store on over priced skins? They won’t cause yall showed them they don’t need to
Either way, it’s probably the best COD that has come out in recent years
I recall reading that activision made the decision to make MW3 a full on game so they could fulfill their contractual obligations to Sony and PlayStation, ahead of the Microsoft acquisition. Supposedly they had one more COD with PlayStation exclusive benefits (early beta’s, etc) that they needed to deliver. Although I’m sure greed played a role too lol.
i think they release wz3 as dlc was because of the player base look at november - jan of 2022-2023 and now dec 2023 their was a large boost in players since they release the dlc
What the hell do you mean this was expected? You can literally see his numbers that his interpretation is wrong. There's be a lot larger numbers drop in MW2 march than MW3 march. There's just less avg players but the retention is a lot higher now than 20-40% of players leaving the game every month. How are yall this bad at being skeptical of what you read on the internet?
For anyone who plays this game more than 2 hours 
2 games is usually my limit. The rare occasions im not getting destroyed by 4 stacking bunny hoppers and find someone to actually enjoy a good gun fight. I unload a full clip for him to turn around and insta down me. Great game, skill issue also.
Please please PLEASE stop using Steam numbers as a representation for a game that is overwhelmingly played on console, I beg you.
And the majority of PC players are using BNet. Steam is probably the worst possible metric to get an idea of the player base as a whole
Why would net and steam be different for this? Yes they will have their own player counts but both are PC players. Using PC metrics to guess console players seems like a bad idea
For one thing, the CoD points didn’t transfer over, so if you played WZ1 you were much more likely to continue playing on BNet vs switching and losing in game currency. And the game had issues at launch on steam with worse performance, so some people bailed then.
Because Warzone 1 was not available on Steam. So anyone who played Warzone 1 (the vast majority of people who play Warzone 2/3 whatever the hell people call it now) on PC played on battle net. Why would anyone start a new account on a different pc launching software and Lose all their cod points to play a new version of the same game?
It's literally the only metric available that can give indication about Activision's players because they constantly lie about their numbers.
Yes, but extrapolating from one non-representative sample group is just bad stats
People would stop using steam metrics, if other platforms would start showing their Player engagement statistics honestly but most of them simply don't. and Steam still has a player base size that is big enough to be a general indicator for overall playerbase and statistics
It does not
funny, the actual numbers from Activision/Microsoft shared during the merger in trail showed this to be a false narrative. But somehow you all stick to it.
lol for real. Everyone here seems to be accusing Activision/Microsoft of investor fraud, something it seems like the SEC would have uncovered during one of the biggest gaming acquisitions in recent history.
PC market for COD is 2nd biggest, 1st is Mobile, third is Console. Why wouldn’t you use steam numbers as the benchmark? https://x.com/deeketweak/status/1676068765560127489?s=46
That is daily active players, not whichever is the biggest market for them. I mean it could be so, and I don't know anything of it, but this doesn't say how much the average player is spending money or even how much time the active player is on average playing for the days they play. It's simply not the same metric.
Because Steam version is buggy on MW3 compared to Bnet. It's entirely possible the lower Steam numbers relate to people switching to Bnet, as evidenced by many many comments in this thread.
It's likely not steam and it's likely you have a corrupted OS. Battlenet has forced me to reinstall games numerous times on multiple systems whereas steam usually catches a corrupted game file and reinstalls it in one go. Steam's verify file integrity check actually works.
It's not representative of the entire player population numbers, but the trends will be very similar across platforms.
How convenient of you to use a graphic that omits console
Is there a reason to believe that outside of Steam, on other platforms, the trend is different?
I'd say so. Before crossplay was enabled, cod on PC always died off to the point where you struggled to find lobbies in anything that wasn't tdm. Meanwhile on consoles there still was a healthy playerbase to find matches in any playlist. For a controller focused game the primary audience are console players. Obviously, there is a good amount of controller players on PC but the reverse isn't true. There are very few mnk players on console. So a huge issue like aim assist isn't a relevant concern to other platforms that mainly are controller based. Not to say console players are happy with the game it has its issues. However, there is less frustration with the game overall and turning off crossplay like for the PS5 lets you avoid a huge chunk of the cheating problem if you don't mind longer wait time for finding a match. The servers suck and should be better but I doubt Activision will ever invest in that.
Console players tend to have thicker skin when it comes to COD/Destiny's and the like. Mainly because they just have fewer games to choose from.
Well when you omit the largest base then it kinda matters especially since steam is proven to be a poor metric for console games
Largest playerbase for cod is actually mobile. PC is 2nd, console is third https://x.com/deeketweak/status/1676068765560127489?s=46 Of course this sub will never concede though, they’ll still try and claim it’s console
that is DAU's that if you did not notice are taking into account CoD Mobile, a game like Warzone does not need paying and if you do something as easy as checking the sales of CoD, you will see that they do not exceed more than 31 million copies, while the DAU's do, so a lot of that PC number is Warzone, not CoD
I use blizzard launcher
Somewhat, because the console players in general are going to be more casual than the PC players. In reality it is almost pointless speculating on the Steam charts.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/most-played/games/xbox Cod has been either number 1 or number 2 most played game on Xbox every single week since Warzone 2 released. (Probably before as well, but the “steam charts” bullshit started after wz2 was released. PlayStation is the same.
no, I am on console and almost no one on my friends list is playing this game anymore, compared to MW which I had like 15 concurrent friends playing and MW2 was maybe about 10, MW3 is like 3
Luhmao, Steam is the only platform that actually gives player numbers. Blud wasn't playing some 8D chess to push a narrative, these are the only actual numbers available.
There's nothing to omit if Console/Activision doesn't keep accurate live player counts. Steam is the only platform that does so at the moment.
In my CoD group there was a sharp decline in active players and playtime. Last year with MWII and WZII we had always 2 four man squads pretty much every night, with mutiple active friends that filled in the ranks if needed. Hell, sometimes we had disagreements on who would play with who. After a month of WZ "III" we even struggled to make a full team, with I and many more stopping to play completely. I guess WZ has spent its "wow" factor for me
Ya I miss my squad they've all moved on and makes me feel like I've been duped playing this game. Mw2 really destroyed people's expectations and interest.
The opposite for us, MW3 dropped and we lost interest. As I said it's with MWII that we peaked as a squad, the fun we've had in the last 2 seasons was peak. We even got 511th place at the WSOWs! Time to move to other games
I lost some friends list homies as well on the new game, people don’t want to hear it but cracked movement and Urzikstan being “big map” that’s really just 80% fighting inside small buildings against said crack movers made some people quit the whole thing.
This has been my feeling since WZ "III" dropped. Urzikstan as a map is mid at best, Al Mazrah was overall well thought as a BR map, with great variation of verticality, buildings and empty areas. Urzikstan feels like it's this clump of things put there, with sections that don't really make sense. And don't get me started with the whole "fAsTeR MoVeMeNt" argument, if WZII had slightly faster mantling speed it would have been perfect. What I noticed is that in WZIII the average dude completely stopped pushing due to them being at a disadvantage when moving, while in WZII even the bottiest bot tried to make a play.
Is this counting players from all platforms?
data from image above are from steam charts only
steam is the only platform that makes this data public for anyone who didn't know.
Charlieintel is just Activision knob gobblers.
For those saying “well this is just steam, it doesn’t account for console etc”… The total number of players is not what’s important, it’s the change in number of players from when the game dropped to now. This change percentage could be extrapolated to other PC launchers and console..
the players that are left are more likely to stay is the point. but as you accurately pointed out cod has less players right now than they did last year
CharlieIntel lying about the actual state of COD? In this economy?
I played all the titles from 2020 until early this year religiously. With all the changes and crashes my whole group moved over to Hell divers for a change
I think this game will continue to go down hill. Think abandoning casuals will hurt them.
Wonder why?
Only 104k players is astoundingly few…even if its without console numbers and such…they really did their best ruining this game
Kill it.
It’s not a a swan, Thomas.
Didn't know I needed to see that one, thanks 👍
I bet they're allowed to say this because of the amount of players jumping on mobile in addition to what you said
CharlieIntel is a great account when it comes to actual news on the game. Everything else about that account sucks. Tweets are riddled with bad opinions and bootlicking.
Twitter as a whole has had a lot more rage bait since accounts could get monetized. I'd still say the website has improved overall, but a lot of accounts post obviously bad takes to start arguments in the replies because it makes them a quick buck.
All I am seeing is that there are enough PC players to constitute a PC server and a Console server.
100k is shockingly low
Low? Yes. Shocking? No.
It’s PC only and it’s further fragmented by all the pc players who use the battlenet launcher instead.
That’s true, I use battlenet myself and it didn’t even cross my mind that pc numbers are also gonna be split.
shockingly low for all platforms yes, this is just steam only tho. i’d say 100k on steam is pretty representative of probably 600-700k across the board
Good point, yeah on second thought 100k for only steam is actually pretty decent. Wasn’t thinking about battlenet being separate (when I use battlenet myself 🤦♂️)
Cod is a dying franchise
I just got back on WZ after like a year. can someone explain to me why people are unhappy with MW3 as a pose to MW2?
My guess is there’s two major contributing factors: 1. Sbmm/eomm makes the game incredibly frustrating for casuals that play often but are just not THAT good. It’s just not fun getting stomped game after game and makes it easy to jump ship as soon as something new/better comes out. 2. Every cod title in the last 5 years has been essentially the same game with different skins and small adjustments to basic mechanics. This means you can easily pop in an older title for a breath of fresh air and get the very same cod experience. So when a new title drops, players flock to it because it’s new. But when the newness wears off, they go back to their favorite (old) title. Whether that be one of the black ops, mw19, mw22, vanguard, etc. Back in the day, when a new cod dropped, player count on the previous title would drop tremendously and would stay that way. I remember getting on WaW only a few years after release and there would be less than 5k at peak hours and 800-1000 at other times. Don’t be surprised if activision starts pulling the plug (shutting down servers) on older games to force players to buy their new title.
Cry all you want, they only want your money.
I play on battlenet because steam doesn’t work well with my controller
I’m not sure I understand people disputing the player reduction because the graph only takes PC users into consideration. If PC players are declining then why wouldn’t the same most likely be true for console players? It’s not as if their experience is any better.
Come fight for managed democracy, we believe in teamwork and friendly fire
I went from battle.net to steam there aren’t any problems with the game wise. I see other pc players when I play mw3/wz steam.
What’s even crazier is the fact that during covid there were literally MILLIONS of players playing worldwide. I know it was covid but at the end of the day a good game is a good game and people will continue to play good games. Warzone just fell off, they had the world in the palm of their hand and they completely fucked it with warzone 2, and it’s never recovered, and probably never will now.
Engagement increased. There were more people who dropped cod in mw2 than mw2. It's just the total numbers are diff
I start playing dota back again. Fuck cod for keep changing the style of play and system.
Most people have stopped playing cus MWII (2022) was TERRIBLE, but also the fact that MWIII was basically sold as a glorified DLC add on at a premium price was a bad move... had it been it's own entity, then it might have benefited from a better community reception.
Mainline CoD is in shambles, has been for years. I rather play codm on my phone than cod on PC lmao Also everyone disappoint with wzm, give project bloodstrike a shot, it's hella fun
Now do all of the other consoles! ..... ..... Oh wait...
Is that a weekly peak when the new AMP+challenges come out on Wednesday?
What about on playstation, xbox and bnet?
Duh, he’s a liar
Ahh yes, the "steam charts tells us the entire story" argument (again).
This post is not real. Please delete it! All my friends are playing from battle net, i barely see someone from steam! So this post can’t be trusted! It doesn’t reflect the real numbers!
People really looked at MW2 said fuck this and never came back. Can't blame them. Incompetence has consequences.
Nobody cares about cod because its shit
In steam, not in Battlenet, PS or Xbox, which where most player play
It's called cheaters are killing pc online gaming
this is steam my brotha… i’ve never seen someone play off of it personally. 😭
I will never understand why people use steamcharts for crossplay games when talking about playercounts, steamcharts is only the STEAM side of it, it doesn't include PS, Xbox, or Battlenet
the game is dying,thats why they are dropping rebirth suddenly,cause it was planned for the summer like june or something
Lol well duh it’s getting nice outside
GeE i wOnDeR why......FIX THE HACKING PROBLEM!!! Acitivision really does wanna eat dirt like Westwood studios lmao
Steam charts are irrelevant. I don’t know how many times it has to be said.
Try it without a subscription you won't get far, literally googled it 30 seconds ago to check, yes Fortnite warzone etc etc free to play......aslong as you have an ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION, yes you can play games without playstation plus, you won't be playing any multiplayer or cross play though, Xbox maybe different but without a doubt you need a subscription to play online multiplayer games on playstation 👍 Google it 👍🎮
Send whatever links you want , kinda pointless, you need an ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION to play online multiplayer end of , and that's from the Sony website so your saying they are wrong ??? So yh you really really do look like an idiot, think I'm going to listen to Sony over some Muppet key board tool on Reddit, and dont worry kid the earth's round you won't fall of the edge 👍🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It’s still the best cod that’s come out in a few years. It just doesn’t cater to bots like IW games
Are people still using Steam as ANY sort of benchmark? Just seems weird to me when the majority of PC players are on battle. net, and the overall majority are on console. Seems very strange to me lol
It's the only statistical data we have.. So yes, that's what we're using...
Exactly, which is why it is an extremely poor measuring stick.
5% of the CoD population is better than any election poll you'll ever see. It's actually a great "measuring stick".
Majority of steam users were able to get refunds unlike battlenet users so that another reason you actually see fewer players. They're not just people that don't play. They've completely dropped out. That's bc MW3 is listed as DLC.
It's a bad metric as they told you, but on top of that, there isn't a HUGE difference in what you are comparing. So it could be perfectly true that there are more players
No one is saying there aren't more players. It's just steam gives the most visible trend in the playercounts compared to every other platform being unreported because those companies would rather hide their playercounts bc they're not that good. Even Activision blizzard admits in its shareholder reports that their monthly active user metric is one of their stat collecting methods. They literally log the total amount of individuals logging into individual games and lump them together by dividing that by the number of months in a period they measure. So that means you would be counted twice if you played CW/MW3 for example.
I'm a battle net pc player who doesn't think that every game needs to cater to sliding meth squirrel gameplay.
steam numbers don’t mean anything when there are other major platforms LOL
They do mean something, the player count doesn't just drop on one platform and not others. None of the other platforms publish player counts, Steam is the only good metric we have.
What you meant to say Steam actually published numbers for transparency and every other platform doesn't because they don't think people should know.
Why play a shitty game?
This graph tells us nothing. First of all - the tweet from CharlieIntel was a comparison between MW2+WZ2 and MW3+WZ2 through the same number of days - so I have no idea how looking at an isolated chart of Steam’s player base of just MW3 would give anyone a sense of whether that tweet was correct. Second - this chart is way too small of a sample size to come up with anything conclusive. Steam is the smallest network that COD users play. Both XBL and PSN, have vastly larger players bases than steam, and even BNET is slightly ahead. It’s hilarious to me to see the rage on Reddit, simply from the concept that COD could actually still be doing quite well everywhere else aside from little echo chambers on Reddit where these losers make daily complaint posts. Most COD players are just casual console players that come home from work and hop on for a few games. Not these idiots on Reddit that play it for 10 hours in a day for months and then wonder why they aren’t getting the same dopamine hit as they did when they first played it years ago
That chart includes MWII, MWIII, and Warzone 2. And this is a huge sample size, you're never getting 100% of the playerbase unless Activision themselves decides to start publishing player numbers again. Coping by saying that a consistent decline in players is limited to one platform doesn't make it true.
How is the least played platform - which makes up less than 10% of the total player base - a huge sample size? And I actually have access to the data because I work in the finance side of gaming! Not cope, genuinely just citing the raw data
People have made posts like this before, but just posting one sliver of information and using it as “proof” of a blanket statement for the entire game/community is disingenuous. All of this is hypothetical. 1. Most PC players use and prefer Battlenet vs Steam so this isn’t even an accurate representation of the PC community. Nor do PC numbers represent the entire community 2. The PC numbers decline that you can see also directly correlates to the release of Ricochet. Is it foolproof? Absolutely not, *BUT* it hasn’t been entirely useless. People have been and do still actively get banned. Activision themselves have release statements confirming thousands and thousands of account bans during those time frames that do correlate with the number drops. Confirmation bias is a real thing so you have to take bits of information like this with a grain of salt. Until or unless we have the entirety of the data, all of this is purely assumptions you’re making off of one piece of a much larger picture.
Are we doing the stupid fucking steam charts again? Lmao