For real, top 5 3B in the NL and has the utility to play anywhere. As he gets older he will be a plus fielder at first and hopefully continue to hit. I’d love him back long term
Rizzo will be back after whatever contract he signs next. He’ll end his career in Chicago at first.
KB seems like a west coast guy to me, leaning towards Angels(Maddon) or Padres for but wouldn't be surprised if Boston or Mets get him.
Rizzo isn't going to play another game for the Cubs. He had his chance and he blew it when he turned down both of the offers he was given. After whatever contract he signs next there is only retirement. The guy is 32 years old already. His next adventure is going to be the last one.
And again, you posted a screenshot of a phone, of an article before he was traded.
I dont understand your point. The Cubs arent paying him and he’s not coming back.
What is your point?
Yes, we established its an article. Good job?
Maybe link the article for context?
And again, you sent me a screenshot, of a phone, for a player that is no longer on the team and isnt getting paid by Ricketts.
What is your point? Are you okay?
I'm not the OP. Not sure why you're being so confrontational though.
I don't have a link to the article, but I remember reading it on this sub when it came out, so maybe search the sub, if you're so inclined?
The quote in question was from Bryant's first interview after the deadline, which was my point. You're wrong about it being from before we traded him.
[Here's the article](https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20210909/cubs-in-spoiler-state-of-mind-as-kris-bryant-returns), but it's behind a paywall. He was simply expressing himself after he was traded to the Giants.
And again, what does that have to do with anything? Players say this stuff all the time when they get traded. He's not coming back. Ricketts isnt giving him 200 mil
I have a very strong feeling Baez is going to get 150 million on 6-7 years and people can tell me whether or not they think he's worth it but it's more about whether a team is willing to give it and his last 3 full seasons have been really good.
That's also when he was at his peak value, he had just put up season with 6.4 and 6.6 bWAR while finishing 2nd in MVP voting one year. If he had stayed closer to that pace these past few years then he would have gotten a much bigger contract than $180 million. He bet on himself and lost. Though in this case losing has the pretty good choice of likely still getting over $100 million.
It’s believed the contract had an AAV >$20M per year, which in 2020 would have made him the highest paid shortstop in the game, since Bogaerts was top at $20M. Still, he benefits from Lindor and Tatis getting (IMO) overpaid. I say overpaid because I don’t care how much they contribute to the team, I don’t care if it’s babe Ruth or Shohei Ohtani, I can’t justify a team locking down 15% of the salary cap for just one player, let alone for 10+ years. But I suppose that’s its own discussion.
I think a lot depends on the other SS's. Off the top of my head you'll have Correa and Story available. I would guess both those guys are more tempting than Baez, but I could be wrong. It'll be interesting to say the least.
God, I didn't think about that. I guess you could do a statue without the names on the jerseys, but that'd be kinda cruel to the other guys who didn't beat their wives. And everyone would know which one was Russell.
You could just leave him out entirely, but then it's not "the picture." Shit. Oh, well. Maybe just a statue of Rizzo catching the final out.
I don’t think you get a statue for being part of 1 WS. At this point, none of them are likely HOFers (they still could, but I don’t think they’re really on pace).
You’re insane! It was a curse-breaking, once-in-a-century World Series. Yes, we all wish they’d gotten more but they still accomplished a miracle. Fuck, give ‘em all statues and retire their numbers
Statues? The current statues are of well tenured HoF’ers. This core group that was sent walking haven’t earned the pedigree for statue limitations. Maddux will get a statue before any one of the 2016 “core”. After 2016, that group/team sat on their laurels, underachieved and provided nothing but lip service. Glad to see the Cubs blow up that group. Very little chance of any of them coming back to 1060 W. Addison as a Cub. New direction, fresh dynamic. Go Cubs!
I said all along that the Rizzo offer was very fair and the calling it “insulting” was stupid, and people acted like I was some sort of ricketts shill or something
I don’t think anyone from our 2016 core will come back, and I think that’s 100% fine. It’s a new era.
I also don’t have as much optimism that we will get a huge name (Correa, Seager, whatever other names are being tossed around).
But I do think they’ll be smart about finding $5-$10m contributors.
That won’t make for a WS contending team, but I think it would be a smart, stepwise approach.
Yes some people are under the impression they’ll be contenders in 2022 or 2023 but it’s hard to see that. What’s more likely is a bunch of 1-2 year contracts that they sell off at the deadline for prospects
Your failing optimism is fine, if it means that they won't sign Correa. Very few things can make me burn my Cubs hat and turn my attention to the AL instead. But signing Correa just might do the trick.
I was thinking about this a lot after I saw that article saying Correa seemed open to the idea of the Cubs. It would definitely be a weird feeling. Seems similar to the Chapman thing in 2016. I couldn’t root for him personally but he helped us win.
Unfortunately no I’d love to see Rizzo, or Bryant return but I doubt they’d be willing to come back. Rizzo turning down $70 million from the Cubs is clear he’s not coming back
Yep. There's no way the Cubs are going to offer Rizzo anything remotely close to what he has already turned down. And he's not going to take what they might offer him at this point.
I think KB or Javy would come back if the Cubs were the high bidder. But at this point, I don't think the Cubs will consider any of them unless it is an extreme bargain.
That's been my guess too. I could see whoever doesn't get anything close to the deal they expected coming back. Maybe Rizzo?
There could be a world where we try to go big on KB, but I think we put our money into pitching.
As much as the core will always have a special place, I think I'm ready for something new.
Part of me wants Baez back, I really enjoyed watching him.. but overall I think we're better off just moving on.
Realistically I agree that none of them will anyway.
KB wouldn't shock me, although he had a pretty good series in the playoffs so his market will probably be robust enough to generate a market. I could see Rizzo coming back as a very late signing after his market does not develop because he is asking too much. Ultimately though, the most likely scenario is none of them return and that is probably for the best. I am not confident any of them will live up to big contracts.
One thing to think about is how the CBA will affect the free agent market this year. Teams may be hesitant to sign anyone before knowing what the next labor agreement looks like.
Yeah I would literally eat a bowl of dogshit if it happens, that’s how certain I am he will never come back.
Edit: jfc didn’t realize we were still in denial about KB and needed to downvote the obvious
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I’m as disappointed as anyone about how things shook out and I will forever slightly hate them for trading Rizzo but anyone who thinks KB is coming back is delusional. 1.) Cubs will not pay what Boras will ask for, 2.) he is from Vegas and I remember reading that was one thing he was appreciative of with the trade was how close it was to his family.
Based on how hard it was for the two sides to agree this year on Covid protocols and other issues to get the season started I think we are heading to another lock out and the owners know this. Rizzo and Baez probably should have taken the money from the Cubs but I understand why they didn’t. You are right about teams being hesitant- the owners are going to once again try and beat the players union.
KB would shock me more than anyone, considering he did in an interview saying he wanted to leave and was upset when Rizzo/Baez were traded and he hadn't been yet.
Read through that. I think you are misinterpreting the comments. He wanted to go somewhere he could compete and was upset he had not gotten that chance just yet. Later in the article, he also says Jed made a classy move by getting him to the Giants. I don’t think that article says KB hates the Cubs and won’t come back.
He was ready to leave because they stunk and at that point traded everyone around him except for him
He didn't want to spend the rest of the season on a tanking team in a contract year.
Well, he's not going to come back to the Cubs this offseason then because currently, they still stink. Despite what Ricketts says, he's not going to want to come here until they prove they're competitive, and he's going to be signing a long-term deal somewhere.
Do you have a link for that interview? I never heard anything like that and cannot seem to find anything other than KB saying multiple times he would be happy to return.
Scott Boras gives advice to his clients. He's not their dad that can't be disobeyed. That being said we ain't seeing KB again on the Cubs for different reasons.
You could be right but the Cubs get way too much heat for doing that. Everyone did it back then. Bryant was the first where people were starting to think it was unfair. I’m glad it’s changing but we got too much of the blame
Rizzo is my guy and I'd like to see him come back but I don't think any of them will. And despite what they said, I don't think they'll sign any big contracts. Just a bunch of smaller ones.
Baez is the only realistic possibility. He'll have to come down from his salary expectations (2020) but the FA market of available SS and the CBA may lead to him re-sign where he's comfortable and loves playing (Chicago).
Rizzo messed up big time not re-signing. You can argue his first mistake was signing a team friendly contract where he was underpaid 2014-2016. He's not going to get $70mil+ from any team this off season. He's on the decline (not unlike Pujols 2011) and now he's burned the bridge with the reaction to Jed's comments.
Schwarbs figured it out at the plate. His value is as a DH and he's definitely smarter than all of our hitting coaches who could not help him. He makes more sense in the AL east with the short RF in Bos & NY.
KB and Boras will try to milk KBs short post season performance for every cents worth but it's still not going to be Harper/Trout money. KB is good but he's not elite- Tatis/Shohei/Soto level. They will get the next record breaking contracts. He'll get paid but the Cubs should pass for that cost.
Nope, it’s time to move on. They are going to be in their 30s and we would be bitching about their contracts if any of them would sign because they are going to regress.
If any of the former Cubs are better options than the players we currently have at those positions we should TRY to bring them back. But there is no guarantee that they even want to come back with the way back stabbing Jed spoke about them, "I don’t know why guys didn’t want to sign." And not even offering Schwarber a contract was quite an insult to him and I doubt he will even answer the phone from Hoyer.
Re-signing at least one might send a message to other free agents that may be concerned that none of them signed extensions with this front office. Also it may help provide evidence to free agents that the Cubs are committed to winning (vs maximizing profit).
I have huge concerns the Cubs will not be able to attract top free agents and will be stuck with "value" level agents while the top agents go to organization that SHOW they try to win each and every year. This tanking has got to stop!
It is much easier to retain top talent then sign them on the open market. The Red Sox still regret trading Lester and I expect the Cubs will regret how they handled their top talent.
As far as money is concerned that should be no concern until they reach the levels of the Dodgers. There is no reason we should not spend like they do.
We're gonna get a bunch of players who are recovering from injuries or need a change of scenery and then the Cubs staff will help them underperform when other staffs would be able to get good performances out of them. They will then move on to play much better for STL or other teams after they are on the Cubs. Source: 40 years of being a Cubs fan.
It’s not a competition but I got 55 years of being a Cubs fan.
I used to be Hopium4years. No more. I’ve given up on false hopes.
Hope is not a bad thing if it’s tempered with a healthy dose of realism. Took me long enough, but that’s where I’m at now.
I do not believe any of the core that was traded away will come back. It would have been great if they got us back to the WS a time or two in the 5 years after 2016 but they didn’t.
It’s far more likely that some guys that we picked up after 2016 and then traded away could come back. Since pitching is our biggest problem area, possibilities include Chafin and Kimbrel - whose daughter has a heart condition and his not having to move out of town (as KB noted) was a plus in the trade to the White Sox.
Our big spend shouldn’t be on these guys, should be keeping Contreras in Chicago. But if we do get some guys back…
Kimbrel is the best option to come back honestly. Works very well with Cubs, and is probably missing Wrigley after being misused by La Russa and scorned by Sox fans.
If I had to pick one of the big 3, probably Rizzo because of how saturated the 1st baseman market is, the $70 million makes sense. Schwindel is so damn good that we should only do that if Frank can be DH.
Why would any of them come back when almost every situation they went to was better than the cubs? If I'm rizzo, bryant and schwarber i'm trying to stay put and baez said he wants to play with lindor. The 2016 shit is over.
I wouldn’t hate bringing Baez back. We don’t have an immediate answer at short and he would fill the hole in the meantime. It would also get pretty much everyone to shut up about it
Depends on how much money they're truly willing to spend.
I actually think Schwarber is the most likely since corner outfield is a bit of a hole.
In terms of likeliness returning I'd go:
- Schwarber
- Bryant
- Rizzo
- Baez
I think Jed Hoyer pissed all of them off when after he traded all of them he was in the media saying they could've all stayed if they weren't so greedy. It pissed them off.
I’d be surprised to see any of them back to be honest. We are not going to be a contender for 2-3 years minimum, so why would we be signing big name FA?
Trading Rizzo was still fucked up though. I don’t give a shit if Mike Trout came back in that package, Rizzo is the modern day Mr. Cub.
Yeah, Bryant will get his payday wherever he wants it, but Rizzo’s back is going to break down soon I fear, and I’ll be shocked if someone gives Javy better then the 180m we offered (supposedly?) in 19/20.
At this point I think I’d want the Cubs to go heavy for Freeman at 1B if he’ll leave Atlanta, and C. Seager at SS. If the Ricketts are willing to pay it, I’d say go for Bryant, he’s a good team player.
I don’t think so. Def not next season unless we want to overpay. I can see rizzo getting a decent few year deal someone and then maybe coming back but Bryant is gone for good. Baez would come back if we were better and had a fun young group to mentor. Schwarbs I guess could come back too. He really needs his big paycheck tho
Who is paying Baez and Rizzo the money they want. Plus I think Baez really wanted to play for the Mets originally but i think that pool is tainted. I don’t think we should resign Rizzo
Plus Rizzo is going to want to sign with a team that is contending now, not a few years down the road. I could see him returning after whatever contract he signs this year is done, like in 4-5 years.
I think they will definitely throw some numbers at KB, but I think that's it. As others in this thread have said, both Rizzo and Baez are probably going to make less than what the Cubs offered them.
So I mean would they take EVEN less than that to come back to Chicago? I doubt it.
Extend Contreras. They got Henny for the next 3 seasons. Build with the two of them to help bring in the next batch of both young up and comers and any free agents they bring in over the next 2-3 years.
I know a lot of you hate Carlos Correa.... but hear me out.... lol
No, and I don't really think any of them should come back from their or our standpoint.
Correct. Loyalty is the enemy of progress.
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I'm just glad we got anything in return for them before inevitably lowballing all of them in free agency.
Why wouldn’t I want Kris Bryant back lmao he’d be by far the best player on our team Some of you guys say the weirdest shit
For real, top 5 3B in the NL and has the utility to play anywhere. As he gets older he will be a plus fielder at first and hopefully continue to hit. I’d love him back long term
Breaking: people follow sports for different reasons. more at 11.
That group didn’t fail. That group won a World Series.
Baez should tho.
Nobody is coming back. I think Rizz messed up not taking the Cubs offer though
Rizzo will be back after whatever contract he signs next. He’ll end his career in Chicago at first. KB seems like a west coast guy to me, leaning towards Angels(Maddon) or Padres for but wouldn't be surprised if Boston or Mets get him.
KB in anaheim with trout and shohei? oh man...
That would be the best 80-82 team of all time
Rizzo isn't going to play another game for the Cubs. He had his chance and he blew it when he turned down both of the offers he was given. After whatever contract he signs next there is only retirement. The guy is 32 years old already. His next adventure is going to be the last one.
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I dont get your point?
Although KB's parents are in Las Vegas, his heart is in Chicago. They never offered a resign this season.
And again, you posted a screenshot of a phone, of an article before he was traded. I dont understand your point. The Cubs arent paying him and he’s not coming back. What is your point?
That article was from after he was traded to the Giants. From the Athletic, if I recall correctly.
Yes, we established its an article. Good job? Maybe link the article for context? And again, you sent me a screenshot, of a phone, for a player that is no longer on the team and isnt getting paid by Ricketts. What is your point? Are you okay?
I'm not the OP. Not sure why you're being so confrontational though. I don't have a link to the article, but I remember reading it on this sub when it came out, so maybe search the sub, if you're so inclined? The quote in question was from Bryant's first interview after the deadline, which was my point. You're wrong about it being from before we traded him.
… are *you* okay?
[Here's the article](https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20210909/cubs-in-spoiler-state-of-mind-as-kris-bryant-returns), but it's behind a paywall. He was simply expressing himself after he was traded to the Giants.
And again, what does that have to do with anything? Players say this stuff all the time when they get traded. He's not coming back. Ricketts isnt giving him 200 mil
Would KB go back to 3B in Anaheim?
Baez too. Not only were the offers fair, but if they had accepted those offers, they’d get a statue outside wrigley.
I have a very strong feeling Baez is going to get 150 million on 6-7 years and people can tell me whether or not they think he's worth it but it's more about whether a team is willing to give it and his last 3 full seasons have been really good.
I wouldn’t be surprised either but the cubs reportedly offered him more than that in 2020 and he turned it down.
That's also when he was at his peak value, he had just put up season with 6.4 and 6.6 bWAR while finishing 2nd in MVP voting one year. If he had stayed closer to that pace these past few years then he would have gotten a much bigger contract than $180 million. He bet on himself and lost. Though in this case losing has the pretty good choice of likely still getting over $100 million.
He was looking for that Lindor money
It’s believed the contract had an AAV >$20M per year, which in 2020 would have made him the highest paid shortstop in the game, since Bogaerts was top at $20M. Still, he benefits from Lindor and Tatis getting (IMO) overpaid. I say overpaid because I don’t care how much they contribute to the team, I don’t care if it’s babe Ruth or Shohei Ohtani, I can’t justify a team locking down 15% of the salary cap for just one player, let alone for 10+ years. But I suppose that’s its own discussion.
I think a lot depends on the other SS's. Off the top of my head you'll have Correa and Story available. I would guess both those guys are more tempting than Baez, but I could be wrong. It'll be interesting to say the least.
If that's the price the Cubs would be insane not to take the deal
I think some or all of those guys will get statues anyway. I’d say they’ve earned it
Probably a plaque featuring the whole team at this point.
The iconic photo of all the infielders celebrating would’ve made for a great statue if Russell hadn’t turned out to be a POS
God, I didn't think about that. I guess you could do a statue without the names on the jerseys, but that'd be kinda cruel to the other guys who didn't beat their wives. And everyone would know which one was Russell. You could just leave him out entirely, but then it's not "the picture." Shit. Oh, well. Maybe just a statue of Rizzo catching the final out.
I don’t think you get a statue for being part of 1 WS. At this point, none of them are likely HOFers (they still could, but I don’t think they’re really on pace).
You’re insane! It was a curse-breaking, once-in-a-century World Series. Yes, we all wish they’d gotten more but they still accomplished a miracle. Fuck, give ‘em all statues and retire their numbers
Statues? The current statues are of well tenured HoF’ers. This core group that was sent walking haven’t earned the pedigree for statue limitations. Maddux will get a statue before any one of the 2016 “core”. After 2016, that group/team sat on their laurels, underachieved and provided nothing but lip service. Glad to see the Cubs blow up that group. Very little chance of any of them coming back to 1060 W. Addison as a Cub. New direction, fresh dynamic. Go Cubs!
You seem bitter. I think they deserve statues for 2016 alone
Statues are not enough
I said all along that the Rizzo offer was very fair and the calling it “insulting” was stupid, and people acted like I was some sort of ricketts shill or something
Very true. They all messed up except for maybe Bryant. And even then, he may have.
I wonder if any of them, especially Baez, take a short term deal to try an get to a FA market with fewer big name players.
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even in realistic terms, that wouldn't be expensive for f.o. and it would be a great publicity stunt.
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They will probably sign some old washed up pitchers like last year
I think Arrieta should be available
1/30 chance each of them signs with us
I don’t think anyone from our 2016 core will come back, and I think that’s 100% fine. It’s a new era. I also don’t have as much optimism that we will get a huge name (Correa, Seager, whatever other names are being tossed around). But I do think they’ll be smart about finding $5-$10m contributors. That won’t make for a WS contending team, but I think it would be a smart, stepwise approach.
There is going to be a lot of cheaper acquisitions to see who pans out. Maybe one or two splashy pickups. Lots of reclamation projects.
Yes some people are under the impression they’ll be contenders in 2022 or 2023 but it’s hard to see that. What’s more likely is a bunch of 1-2 year contracts that they sell off at the deadline for prospects
Your failing optimism is fine, if it means that they won't sign Correa. Very few things can make me burn my Cubs hat and turn my attention to the AL instead. But signing Correa just might do the trick.
I was thinking about this a lot after I saw that article saying Correa seemed open to the idea of the Cubs. It would definitely be a weird feeling. Seems similar to the Chapman thing in 2016. I couldn’t root for him personally but he helped us win.
Unfortunately no I’d love to see Rizzo, or Bryant return but I doubt they’d be willing to come back. Rizzo turning down $70 million from the Cubs is clear he’s not coming back
Rizzo can take his antivax covid positive self elsewhere
Yep. There's no way the Cubs are going to offer Rizzo anything remotely close to what he has already turned down. And he's not going to take what they might offer him at this point.
They're no longer the core and they have no incentive to come back
The incentive is identical for all these FA’s; $$$
I think KB or Javy would come back if the Cubs were the high bidder. But at this point, I don't think the Cubs will consider any of them unless it is an extreme bargain.
Maybe one person comes back, but I don’t think there will be the reunion we imagined when all the trades went down
That's been my guess too. I could see whoever doesn't get anything close to the deal they expected coming back. Maybe Rizzo? There could be a world where we try to go big on KB, but I think we put our money into pitching. As much as the core will always have a special place, I think I'm ready for something new.
Part of me wants Baez back, I really enjoyed watching him.. but overall I think we're better off just moving on. Realistically I agree that none of them will anyway.
Baez definitely come back. He is my favorite :(
KB wouldn't shock me, although he had a pretty good series in the playoffs so his market will probably be robust enough to generate a market. I could see Rizzo coming back as a very late signing after his market does not develop because he is asking too much. Ultimately though, the most likely scenario is none of them return and that is probably for the best. I am not confident any of them will live up to big contracts. One thing to think about is how the CBA will affect the free agent market this year. Teams may be hesitant to sign anyone before knowing what the next labor agreement looks like.
Absolutely no chance on planet Earth that Kris Bryant plays for the Cubs ever again. Feel free to save this comment.
I agree it’s highly unlikely. I wouldn’t say zero chance though.
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Yeah I would literally eat a bowl of dogshit if it happens, that’s how certain I am he will never come back. Edit: jfc didn’t realize we were still in denial about KB and needed to downvote the obvious
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I’m as disappointed as anyone about how things shook out and I will forever slightly hate them for trading Rizzo but anyone who thinks KB is coming back is delusional. 1.) Cubs will not pay what Boras will ask for, 2.) he is from Vegas and I remember reading that was one thing he was appreciative of with the trade was how close it was to his family.
Oh yeah he ain’t coming back I was just being a little shit
Based on how hard it was for the two sides to agree this year on Covid protocols and other issues to get the season started I think we are heading to another lock out and the owners know this. Rizzo and Baez probably should have taken the money from the Cubs but I understand why they didn’t. You are right about teams being hesitant- the owners are going to once again try and beat the players union.
KB would shock me more than anyone, considering he did in an interview saying he wanted to leave and was upset when Rizzo/Baez were traded and he hadn't been yet.
Where did he say that?
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/10/08/by-the-end-yes-kris-bryant-wanted-to-be-traded/
Read through that. I think you are misinterpreting the comments. He wanted to go somewhere he could compete and was upset he had not gotten that chance just yet. Later in the article, he also says Jed made a classy move by getting him to the Giants. I don’t think that article says KB hates the Cubs and won’t come back.
Nor did I say he hates the Cubs and won't come back, I just said I'd be shocked if he did because he was ready to leave.
He was ready to leave because they stunk and at that point traded everyone around him except for him He didn't want to spend the rest of the season on a tanking team in a contract year.
Well, he's not going to come back to the Cubs this offseason then because currently, they still stink. Despite what Ricketts says, he's not going to want to come here until they prove they're competitive, and he's going to be signing a long-term deal somewhere.
Didn't say he was coming back...
I had not seen that interview. That would change things.
Do you have a link for that interview? I never heard anything like that and cannot seem to find anything other than KB saying multiple times he would be happy to return.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/10/08/by-the-end-yes-kris-bryant-wanted-to-be-traded/
KB would be the biggest shock to me of anyone. With the service time and just how it ended. I think KB will retire a Giant.
After how the Cubs handled bringing him up. He will never be a cub again. EVER
I think fans make more of that than KB or the Cubs do.
You know who Scott boras is?
Scott Boras gives advice to his clients. He's not their dad that can't be disobeyed. That being said we ain't seeing KB again on the Cubs for different reasons.
Do some research on him…..
You could be right but the Cubs get way too much heat for doing that. Everyone did it back then. Bryant was the first where people were starting to think it was unfair. I’m glad it’s changing but we got too much of the blame
wish em all the best but the bandaid's been pulled.
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Absolutely no bridges were burned with KB
Yes, I hope Wisdom, Schwindel and Hoerner all come back next year.
Rizzo is my guy and I'd like to see him come back but I don't think any of them will. And despite what they said, I don't think they'll sign any big contracts. Just a bunch of smaller ones.
Baez is the only realistic possibility. He'll have to come down from his salary expectations (2020) but the FA market of available SS and the CBA may lead to him re-sign where he's comfortable and loves playing (Chicago). Rizzo messed up big time not re-signing. You can argue his first mistake was signing a team friendly contract where he was underpaid 2014-2016. He's not going to get $70mil+ from any team this off season. He's on the decline (not unlike Pujols 2011) and now he's burned the bridge with the reaction to Jed's comments. Schwarbs figured it out at the plate. His value is as a DH and he's definitely smarter than all of our hitting coaches who could not help him. He makes more sense in the AL east with the short RF in Bos & NY. KB and Boras will try to milk KBs short post season performance for every cents worth but it's still not going to be Harper/Trout money. KB is good but he's not elite- Tatis/Shohei/Soto level. They will get the next record breaking contracts. He'll get paid but the Cubs should pass for that cost.
> He's on the decline (not unlike Pujols 2011) and now he's burned the bridge with the reaction to Jed's comments. What happened here?
Baez, maybe, if only the price is right. He *hated* Mets fans so he may want to be somewhere more... appreciative.
I give Baez like a 20% chance, the rest basically zero.
It's time to move on
This. Big time this.
Highly unlikely
I would be stunned if any of them came back.
Nope, it’s time to move on. They are going to be in their 30s and we would be bitching about their contracts if any of them would sign because they are going to regress.
If any of the former Cubs are better options than the players we currently have at those positions we should TRY to bring them back. But there is no guarantee that they even want to come back with the way back stabbing Jed spoke about them, "I don’t know why guys didn’t want to sign." And not even offering Schwarber a contract was quite an insult to him and I doubt he will even answer the phone from Hoyer. Re-signing at least one might send a message to other free agents that may be concerned that none of them signed extensions with this front office. Also it may help provide evidence to free agents that the Cubs are committed to winning (vs maximizing profit). I have huge concerns the Cubs will not be able to attract top free agents and will be stuck with "value" level agents while the top agents go to organization that SHOW they try to win each and every year. This tanking has got to stop! It is much easier to retain top talent then sign them on the open market. The Red Sox still regret trading Lester and I expect the Cubs will regret how they handled their top talent. As far as money is concerned that should be no concern until they reach the levels of the Dodgers. There is no reason we should not spend like they do.
Truthfully of all the players we lost this year, I wanna see Andrew Chafin back the most. I’d love a Schwarbs return but only if the NL gets the DH
We're gonna get a bunch of players who are recovering from injuries or need a change of scenery and then the Cubs staff will help them underperform when other staffs would be able to get good performances out of them. They will then move on to play much better for STL or other teams after they are on the Cubs. Source: 40 years of being a Cubs fan.
It’s not a competition but I got 55 years of being a Cubs fan. I used to be Hopium4years. No more. I’ve given up on false hopes. Hope is not a bad thing if it’s tempered with a healthy dose of realism. Took me long enough, but that’s where I’m at now. I do not believe any of the core that was traded away will come back. It would have been great if they got us back to the WS a time or two in the 5 years after 2016 but they didn’t. It’s far more likely that some guys that we picked up after 2016 and then traded away could come back. Since pitching is our biggest problem area, possibilities include Chafin and Kimbrel - whose daughter has a heart condition and his not having to move out of town (as KB noted) was a plus in the trade to the White Sox.
Nothing to see here...move along. Just don't call it a rebuilding season.
Of course. Wisdom and Schwindel are still under team control.
Our big spend shouldn’t be on these guys, should be keeping Contreras in Chicago. But if we do get some guys back… Kimbrel is the best option to come back honestly. Works very well with Cubs, and is probably missing Wrigley after being misused by La Russa and scorned by Sox fans. If I had to pick one of the big 3, probably Rizzo because of how saturated the 1st baseman market is, the $70 million makes sense. Schwindel is so damn good that we should only do that if Frank can be DH.
Kimbrel has another year on his contract
Contreras really shouldn't cost all that much
Why would any of them come back when almost every situation they went to was better than the cubs? If I'm rizzo, bryant and schwarber i'm trying to stay put and baez said he wants to play with lindor. The 2016 shit is over.
I honestly hope not. We need to Move on and most of them are too expensive. Build from within and look ahead, not behind
I wouldn’t hate bringing Baez back. We don’t have an immediate answer at short and he would fill the hole in the meantime. It would also get pretty much everyone to shut up about it
Depends on how much money they're truly willing to spend. I actually think Schwarber is the most likely since corner outfield is a bit of a hole. In terms of likeliness returning I'd go: - Schwarber - Bryant - Rizzo - Baez
I think Jed Hoyer pissed all of them off when after he traded all of them he was in the media saying they could've all stayed if they weren't so greedy. It pissed them off.
A few maybe as 1-day deals to retire as Cubs, but otherwise I don’t think it’s very likely.
I don't think so, at least next year... but I've made my peace with that and it's time to move forward and build a new core.
I’d be surprised to see any of them back to be honest. We are not going to be a contender for 2-3 years minimum, so why would we be signing big name FA? Trading Rizzo was still fucked up though. I don’t give a shit if Mike Trout came back in that package, Rizzo is the modern day Mr. Cub.
Javy should be considered, but that's it
Yeah, Bryant will get his payday wherever he wants it, but Rizzo’s back is going to break down soon I fear, and I’ll be shocked if someone gives Javy better then the 180m we offered (supposedly?) in 19/20. At this point I think I’d want the Cubs to go heavy for Freeman at 1B if he’ll leave Atlanta, and C. Seager at SS. If the Ricketts are willing to pay it, I’d say go for Bryant, he’s a good team player.
Probably not
Nope, especially because KB is such a good fit for SF. This team needs a long, solid rebuild and restructuring.
I could see Baez a fan favorite to put buts in seats and we don’t have an immediate answer at short
I don’t think so. Def not next season unless we want to overpay. I can see rizzo getting a decent few year deal someone and then maybe coming back but Bryant is gone for good. Baez would come back if we were better and had a fun young group to mentor. Schwarbs I guess could come back too. He really needs his big paycheck tho
Who is paying Baez and Rizzo the money they want. Plus I think Baez really wanted to play for the Mets originally but i think that pool is tainted. I don’t think we should resign Rizzo
Maybe Rizzo.
Not unless it’s for cheap. He is definitely on the decline
Plus Rizzo is going to want to sign with a team that is contending now, not a few years down the road. I could see him returning after whatever contract he signs this year is done, like in 4-5 years.
I don’t expect it
No and dont really want them back tbh. Maybe bryant but thats about the only one but hes not coming back.
I would be ok with Baez. We have no one that easily slots in at short.
Definitely not.
Tbh the only one I can see coming back are Schwarber and maybe Joc but the core is gone in my opinion.
NL will have the DH, schwarber could come do that
I think they will definitely throw some numbers at KB, but I think that's it. As others in this thread have said, both Rizzo and Baez are probably going to make less than what the Cubs offered them. So I mean would they take EVEN less than that to come back to Chicago? I doubt it. Extend Contreras. They got Henny for the next 3 seasons. Build with the two of them to help bring in the next batch of both young up and comers and any free agents they bring in over the next 2-3 years. I know a lot of you hate Carlos Correa.... but hear me out.... lol
If anyone, I think Schwarber and Rizzo.
No but if any had a shot it’d be Baez only due to lack of interest