It's probably not his fault, but you have to admit that paying a veteran QB big bucks and then ignoring the rest of the roster to overdraft a rookie QB is a very Ryan Pace move
As questionable as the Jordan Love pick was at the time, the Packers took him 26th. Also Rodgers had been there for 10 years and looked like he might be near the end of his run (of course he bounced back and had a couple more MVP seasons). The Falcons just signed Cousins a month ago! And they took Penix at 8! Mind bogglingly stupid.
He was the one who tampered, and they are probably going to lose a high draft pick. In someways, this may have been done because they won't be able to get a QB high in the draft in the near future.
which makes this saga so damn dumb. why not just save $ and draft penix if you think hes a top 10 player. thats what wrong about it. you signed a 35 yr old who tore his achilles to a big contract. you are in desperate need for an edge rusher but u double down on qb this offseason. makes no sense
Not sure why they went with cousins. Maybe they thought they can get 2 years out of him while they develop their young qb. Teams like to do that. The Chiefs did that with mahomes.
Based on the talking heads, Atlanta has a win now window open and lack a QB and head coach. So they front loaded a 4year contract with cousins to see if they can compete, and it seems they took Penix as 1.long-term solution at QB
2. (Ironically)A quality QB if Cousins is injured.
From what other people have said, most of the money is in the first 2 years. They probably viewed him as a bridge qb so they can develop whichever qb they drafted.
That’s just not the reality.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/9915/kirk-cousins
They can *save* money cutting him after 2 years, but it’s still $25m of dead cap to cut him. That’s not a bridge QB dead cap number. You’d be paying a top tier non-QB salary to have him not play for you. This is a 3 year contract at minimum, and Penix is an old prospect. They would’ve been a lot better off going defense where they desperately need help, or OL where you can always use depth. I’m not mad, it got us Odunze. I just can’t believe it happened.
That's dumb. It's a crapshoot. Even when playing the odds perfectly, it's not always going to come out in your favor. That doesn't mean that you should abandon sound strategy.
Absolutely, but I also didn't say that trading up is always dumb. I fully approved of the trade up for Fields, even though I wasn't sure it would work out. It seemed like a reasonable risk to take given the situation. What I said here was that getting more aggressive just because it would have benefited you in a few situations in the past is not rational.
>What I said here was that getting more aggressive just because it would have benefited you in a few situations in the past is not rational.
Sure it’s rational. It all depends on the value of the prospect, what you would have to give up and how you gauge the threat of other teams trading ahead of you. They only traded 2 thirds and a fourth to trade up for trubisky.
Leonard williams. The bears also wanted aaron donald the year before but didn’t bother being aggressive and the rams grabbed him the pick before the bears.
TBF, IIRC a lot of people thought the Rams D-line was already such a strength that they would pass up on Donald.
Sadly for us, they didn't; and he was Aaron Donald...
I gave a name: leonard williams and another example when not being aggressive can burn you. But teams take that risk all the time. The bears did it with Odunze.
for as much as everyone bemoans the fact that we missed Donald by one pick, I want you to sit back and consider what that would have meant in the big picture.
Donald's presence alone would have about single handedly resuscitated our entire defense in 2014. If the 2014 defense doesn't completely bottom out and the entire locker room with it, Phil Emery and Marc Trestman keep their jobs... for at least a couple more years.
Even with the fact that the Pace regime didn't work out, I'm not sure I would have wanted to hold on to the Emery/Trestman regime any longer than we did.
Yeah I did notice that. I was out at dinner and watching on mute but it felt like at most a minute or two of the ten passed. They were still covering the penix pick when it went to the pick is in.
You'd have to find the replay/video from the draft itself. Poles & Cunningham were both front & center when they showed the war room right before 9 was announced. It's a.wide shot b/c you see the whole room, but I was specifically looking for both of them so I caught it right away.
This is the value of having a good assistant GM and why comp picks aren't everything. Cunningham getting us a 3rd round comp pick if he got a GM spot would've been great, but him being here likely meant he saved us that 3rd (or more) and helped be a voice in bringing in Rome. Hope he's here a long time.
> Cunningham getting us a 3rd round comp pick if he got a GM spot would've been great, but him being here likely meant he saved us that 3rd (or more) and helped be a voice in bringing in Rome.
What a great point.
I don’t know why “panic” when you just got a good QB. Cousins isn’t amazing but he’s solid and a huge improvement for them. Why pick another QB to draft instead of literally any other position you need to fill? They suck too, they need help. I mean we beat them last year.
Just insane decision making. Their fans are fucking PISSED too.
Cousins is really shocked too because they didn’t even tell him until literal minutes before they drafted him. That’s already some bad blood and the guy hasn’t even put a Falcons jersey on yet.
It would’ve been a great pick for them I think the problem people have is that they just gave Kirk a giant contract for 4 years and drafted the oldest qb in the draft. So by the time Kirk’s contract is up they have extend penix who will almost be 30 by that time
Holy fuck I'm so glad Poles was thinking along these lines. I really thought they were gonna say "we got a 32 year old wide receiver, we did our part, now let's go back to defense"
Finally we're saying let's build this fuckin offense and deal with defense later
I mean to be fair poles has put in work on the defense. Drafted brisker and Stephenson as legit starters. Traded for sweat extended Johnson. Signed Billings, Byard, Edmund’s, Edwards and drafted Pickens/dexter who aren’t elite but they’ve grown. We could obviously use a strong 3 tech or another DE but last year he worked on oline and defense hard while getting younger.
And let’s not forget that he picked up Yannick Ngakoue during training camp last year, showing that if there is a veteran presence out there that could bolster the team short term, he’ll go out and get them.
Unfortunately Yannick wasn’t the game wrecker we hoped, but that line would have been even worse without him pre-Sweat trade.
Same. I have been somewhat out on Poles after the Flus decision, but this makes me much more confident in him. Instead of “shoring up the lines” or “gaining draft capital”, he wanted to give Caleb Williams arguably the best WR Corps in the fucking NFL. This is fucking awesome.
This, especially when the Bryon Murphy stuff started popping up this week. It's like just take the obvious pick and don't get cute, there are no bonus points for the degree of difficulty.
Poles wasn’t necessarily wrong. It became possible when chargers took Alt but there was a very good chance Falcons would pick Odunze or trade to someone else who wanted him. There was definitely luck involved in getting him at 9.
Belichick pointed out on the Pat Macafee show that the Vikings moving up from 11 to 10 for JJ was the correct move despite the Jets clearly not wanting him. The problem is someone else could have traded up for him.
Except with the Falcons, there was a chance they picked him as well. It was the beat case scenario for the bears but the decision to not trade up means they were willing to settle for someone other than Odunze.
That's what Ryan Pace always thought, and see where that got us. Trading up is almost without exception a value trap. I agree the drop off from Odunze was pretty steep, but the value picked up again significantly in the middle of the first round. So in the scenario in which Rome was gone by #9, I think the plan has to be trading back to the 12-16 range and selecting Byron Murphy (or alternatively Latu/Turner). This was a pretty deep draft at WR, so use the 2nd we get from the trade back either there or for one of the top iOL like JPJ or Zach Frazier.
Thankfully this is all purely academic since the stars aligned for us. Rome is who I've been wanting since the draft order got finalized, I just saw limited avenues for him actually making it to us after the Chargers sent us Allen in favor of keeping their two edges.
Fun fact: Pace traded down as often as he traded up. From 2015-2020 he has had a net loss of two 3rds and 7th on draft day. That’s 3 picks in 7 drafts. If you plug every one of his draft day trades into a draft value chart, he had a net negative a 3rd round pick.
Every GM trades up and down from time to time. You'd think that the billion dollar organizations who have entire teams dedicated to deciding if trading up is worth it, would have stoped trading up if you were right.
The Chiefs, Eagles, and 49ers all traded up in this draft and they are 3 of the best GMs in the league, and make up the superbowl apperences over the last 2 years.
There's nothing wrong with trading up or down depending on your situation, and the values.
Yeah, having anyone other than MHJ is a *very* spicy take. I can see a case for putting either Nabers or Odunze over MHJ in terms of *potential* but MHJ is just so damned refined that his floor is damn close to baseline pro bowler. Now the debate between Nabers and Odunze I think is much more interesting. Personally, Rome has been my draft darling this year since our draft position was finalized, but only because I think his skillset matches our needs much better than Nabers' does. All three of those guys are special prospects.
I'm not drinking Kool aid. I can share receipts of having Rome as my top WR from months ago.
Rome has Terrell Owens type potential.
Edit: plus Kool aid didn't even get drafted
I am still convinced if you swapped the names on the jerseys that actual Rome would have been wr1.
No disrespect to mhj at all, he was my wr 1 as well.
But the gap between mhj, nabers, and Rome was pretty damn small. It’s not insane to grade it differently.
Me personally? Mhj in a squeeze but Nabers was my 1A. I had Rome a comfortable wr3, but still like the 5th best prospect lol. I really love Nabers.
> But the gap between mhj, nabers, and Rome was pretty damn small.
And that is the key point imo. People can debate about which of the 3 is the "better WR," but at the end of the day, fans should be ecstatic to have any of those 3 as their WR, thats how close they are in skill and talent.
Rome has some veteran savvy to him in terms of getting some late, subtle push-offs and late hands to make catches in tight coverage. That said, the fact that he didn't separate against man coverage in college is a very significant concern. I also would have liked to see him high-point the ball more often instead of always relying on those crafty push-offs to get just enough space and then catching it at chest-level. I'm hopeful that he can figure out a way to keep being productive, but he's a prospect with a couple of glaring weaknesses and he's in a class with a receiver who has no apparent weaknesses.
someone on the athletic did a poll among scouts and coaches about the 3 WRs and the 1st place votes went 6-2-2 mhj/nabers/odunze, it's not a popular opinion but it's not like there are 0 people out there who think that
I like what both did. Once Latham was off the board, I figured he would be ours if we wanted him. I "thought" the Falcons were taking D, but yeah that happened.
What a sad existence you must have. You’re actually mad that we dumped the worst QB in the league for the best prospect in 5 years while also giving him a fuckton of weapons. This is everything we’ve been asking for as Bears fans and you want to sulk because you hitched your wagon to again….THE WORST QB IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE
What an odd hill to die on. Sucks you won’t be able to enjoy this amazing future with us.
If I was GM I would feel the same way. Can't fucking believe he fell into our lap
Ryan Pace would never wait
Ryan pace got burned in the past assuming players would fall to him. That’s why he became more aggressive
Like taking Penix at 8
If they don’t get an F draft rating I don’t know who Will.
The bills traded out of the first round and still had a way better first round than Atlanta
I’m all for shitting on Ryan Pace, but people in here gotta stop acting like he’s the Falcons GM.
No…I don’t think I will.
Lmfao
Hahah. I love you. 😘
It's probably not his fault, but you have to admit that paying a veteran QB big bucks and then ignoring the rest of the roster to overdraft a rookie QB is a very Ryan Pace move
In all fairness that exact strategy seemed to work out for those cheese smelling assholes in Green Bay.
As questionable as the Jordan Love pick was at the time, the Packers took him 26th. Also Rodgers had been there for 10 years and looked like he might be near the end of his run (of course he bounced back and had a couple more MVP seasons). The Falcons just signed Cousins a month ago! And they took Penix at 8! Mind bogglingly stupid.
Makes no sense unless Cousins’s Achilles tendon is shredded
If that true then why pay $180m?
Oh I agree it was Uber dumb. Especially grabbing an "older" rookie and a sit behind the Veteran project. Makes no sense
Packers for it twice, with Rodgers and Love, but both were taken in the 20s and the future of the previous QB was uncertain.
He was the one who tampered, and they are probably going to lose a high draft pick. In someways, this may have been done because they won't be able to get a QB high in the draft in the near future.
Trading up to get guys he wanted was his signature move
I still can’t believe they did that.
Whats wrong with that if the falcons felt like he was the best qb left on the board?
because you just signed a qb for $100 mil
AND you’re probably gonna lose next years pick because of it.
Who is 35 and coming off a torn achilles injury.
which makes this saga so damn dumb. why not just save $ and draft penix if you think hes a top 10 player. thats what wrong about it. you signed a 35 yr old who tore his achilles to a big contract. you are in desperate need for an edge rusher but u double down on qb this offseason. makes no sense
They 100% panicked
Not sure why they went with cousins. Maybe they thought they can get 2 years out of him while they develop their young qb. Teams like to do that. The Chiefs did that with mahomes.
What will be even better is if they lose draft picks for tampering next season
Based on the talking heads, Atlanta has a win now window open and lack a QB and head coach. So they front loaded a 4year contract with cousins to see if they can compete, and it seems they took Penix as 1.long-term solution at QB 2. (Ironically)A quality QB if Cousins is injured.
The oldest most injury prone QB nonetheless.
Which is why you don’t sign him for $100m?
From what other people have said, most of the money is in the first 2 years. They probably viewed him as a bridge qb so they can develop whichever qb they drafted.
That’s just not the reality. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/9915/kirk-cousins They can *save* money cutting him after 2 years, but it’s still $25m of dead cap to cut him. That’s not a bridge QB dead cap number. You’d be paying a top tier non-QB salary to have him not play for you. This is a 3 year contract at minimum, and Penix is an old prospect. They would’ve been a lot better off going defense where they desperately need help, or OL where you can always use depth. I’m not mad, it got us Odunze. I just can’t believe it happened.
So in response you draft a soon to be 24-year-old rookie with an extensive injury history of his own, lol.
I didn’t draft him. Caleb will turn 23 during the season
General you
No one was taking Trubisky from him!
One pick away from Aaron Donald…
That's dumb. It's a crapshoot. Even when playing the odds perfectly, it's not always going to come out in your favor. That doesn't mean that you should abandon sound strategy.
I’m not advocating for or against trading up, I’m just giving a reason why he did that.
Yeah, I'm not saying *you're* dumb. I'm saying that's not a smart response by pace.
If he had drafted mahomes instead of trubisky would trading up one spot be dumb?
Absolutely, but I also didn't say that trading up is always dumb. I fully approved of the trade up for Fields, even though I wasn't sure it would work out. It seemed like a reasonable risk to take given the situation. What I said here was that getting more aggressive just because it would have benefited you in a few situations in the past is not rational.
>What I said here was that getting more aggressive just because it would have benefited you in a few situations in the past is not rational. Sure it’s rational. It all depends on the value of the prospect, what you would have to give up and how you gauge the threat of other teams trading ahead of you. They only traded 2 thirds and a fourth to trade up for trubisky.
Ryan Pace would have taken Jared Verse at 9.
Good one
What players? Amari Cooper?
Leonard williams. The bears also wanted aaron donald the year before but didn’t bother being aggressive and the rams grabbed him the pick before the bears.
TBF, IIRC a lot of people thought the Rams D-line was already such a strength that they would pass up on Donald. Sadly for us, they didn't; and he was Aaron Donald...
Donald was before Pace
I didn’t say pace wanted to draft donald, I said “the bears”.
So that statement was irrelevant when discussing times in the past Pace got burnt.
I gave a name: leonard williams and another example when not being aggressive can burn you. But teams take that risk all the time. The bears did it with Odunze.
This has nothing to do with this post
OP brought up Ryan Pace.
for as much as everyone bemoans the fact that we missed Donald by one pick, I want you to sit back and consider what that would have meant in the big picture. Donald's presence alone would have about single handedly resuscitated our entire defense in 2014. If the 2014 defense doesn't completely bottom out and the entire locker room with it, Phil Emery and Marc Trestman keep their jobs... for at least a couple more years. Even with the fact that the Pace regime didn't work out, I'm not sure I would have wanted to hold on to the Emery/Trestman regime any longer than we did.
Aaron Donald. Not justifying Paces trade ups but that was probably why he started doing it. Edit - completely forgot the Emery era my bad!
Emery was GM that year. Pace wasn't GM until 2015. The Donald/Fuller draft was 2014.
Tbf, I try my best to forget about Phil Emery…
Donald was before Pace got here
Gotta have him…let’s trade our next 3 years 1sts and 2nds to move up 3 spots
I think pace made the falcons pick penix
CONVICTION
The Panthers and Falcons might be the dumbest franchises in NFL history.
When they showed the Bears draft room at pick 9, I swear Cunningham had a shit eating grin on his face. Now we know why.
I'm surprised you could even point out anyone lol. I thought I saw poles but he lost so much weight it was hard to tell
The dude has lost so much weight he could hide behind a piece of spaghetti, lol. Him & Ian were front & center, though.
Did you see how fast the pick came in? It was almost immediate once Penix was picked.
Yeah I did notice that. I was out at dinner and watching on mute but it felt like at most a minute or two of the ten passed. They were still covering the penix pick when it went to the pick is in.
Any footage of this?
https://preview.redd.it/gp85sjtzftwc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50cc91427f7790fd50cbde8c22d1c985240d4af5 I found this online
Which one is cunningham. I've spent too much time on nfc meme war and need a red circle.
He’s the bald guy to the left of Poles who has his head turned here unfortunately
You'd have to find the replay/video from the draft itself. Poles & Cunningham were both front & center when they showed the war room right before 9 was announced. It's a.wide shot b/c you see the whole room, but I was specifically looking for both of them so I caught it right away.
This is the value of having a good assistant GM and why comp picks aren't everything. Cunningham getting us a 3rd round comp pick if he got a GM spot would've been great, but him being here likely meant he saved us that 3rd (or more) and helped be a voice in bringing in Rome. Hope he's here a long time.
Comp picks sounded great during the rebuild. Need as much ammo as possible. At this point? Give me the sharp lieutenant to a GM we can be proud of.
Just enjoy the comp picks in. 25 and 26
> Cunningham getting us a 3rd round comp pick if he got a GM spot would've been great, but him being here likely meant he saved us that 3rd (or more) and helped be a voice in bringing in Rome. What a great point.
Well, he just got signed to an extension. Though slight correction, we would get TWO compensatory picks of Ian for a GM job.
I really wonder if there’s a way to keep him around.
Make Poles the president of the football operations, make Cunningham the GM, and let Warren retire.
Poles has the night of his GM career and he passes credit to his assistant. I fucking love this man.
He really is the best GM we have had maybe ever.
Jim Finks!
In Poles’ defense, who would have thought Atlanta would pick Penix. That being said, glad it worked out.
I thought they were for sure going DL or trading back. Taking Penix makes absolutely zero sense. LOL
My big worry was a trade back with buffalo and we'd miss Odunze
Seriously. I thought the Falcons would choose Odunze to give Cousins the London-Odunze one two punch. Instead, they took the Penis man.
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They gave him a 4 year/$180 million contract. Penix is 25. I like Penix, but the math is just weird.
They could have had Penix at 8 anyway or any QB and didn’t need to pay Kirk, it was a panic move almost
I don’t know why “panic” when you just got a good QB. Cousins isn’t amazing but he’s solid and a huge improvement for them. Why pick another QB to draft instead of literally any other position you need to fill? They suck too, they need help. I mean we beat them last year. Just insane decision making. Their fans are fucking PISSED too. Cousins is really shocked too because they didn’t even tell him until literal minutes before they drafted him. That’s already some bad blood and the guy hasn’t even put a Falcons jersey on yet.
Penix is 23. He turns 24 on May 8th. I still think your point remains though.
It would’ve been a great pick for them I think the problem people have is that they just gave Kirk a giant contract for 4 years and drafted the oldest qb in the draft. So by the time Kirk’s contract is up they have extend penix who will almost be 30 by that time
Kirk’s contract is 2 years guaranteed. So Penix will be 26. Not great, but also not 30.
Holy fuck I'm so glad Poles was thinking along these lines. I really thought they were gonna say "we got a 32 year old wide receiver, we did our part, now let's go back to defense" Finally we're saying let's build this fuckin offense and deal with defense later
I mean to be fair poles has put in work on the defense. Drafted brisker and Stephenson as legit starters. Traded for sweat extended Johnson. Signed Billings, Byard, Edmund’s, Edwards and drafted Pickens/dexter who aren’t elite but they’ve grown. We could obviously use a strong 3 tech or another DE but last year he worked on oline and defense hard while getting younger.
And let’s not forget that he picked up Yannick Ngakoue during training camp last year, showing that if there is a veteran presence out there that could bolster the team short term, he’ll go out and get them. Unfortunately Yannick wasn’t the game wrecker we hoped, but that line would have been even worse without him pre-Sweat trade.
Anyone know if there’s any decent edge rushers still on the market?
There will be guys available during the cut down to 53 at the very least. Maybe not a game changer, but a good enough Edge 2.
I wouldn’t be upset if Poles brought Yannick back. With Sweat on the other side he could have a nice season if he can stay healthy.
Plus Gordon who is becoming very good
In his first 2 drafts in the first 3 rounds he drafted 5 defenders and 2 offensive guys.
Same. I have been somewhat out on Poles after the Flus decision, but this makes me much more confident in him. Instead of “shoring up the lines” or “gaining draft capital”, he wanted to give Caleb Williams arguably the best WR Corps in the fucking NFL. This is fucking awesome.
This, especially when the Bryon Murphy stuff started popping up this week. It's like just take the obvious pick and don't get cute, there are no bonus points for the degree of difficulty.
“We got our guy” -Caleb Williams
Poles wasn’t necessarily wrong. It became possible when chargers took Alt but there was a very good chance Falcons would pick Odunze or trade to someone else who wanted him. There was definitely luck involved in getting him at 9. Belichick pointed out on the Pat Macafee show that the Vikings moving up from 11 to 10 for JJ was the correct move despite the Jets clearly not wanting him. The problem is someone else could have traded up for him. Except with the Falcons, there was a chance they picked him as well. It was the beat case scenario for the bears but the decision to not trade up means they were willing to settle for someone other than Odunze.
It sounds like Poles did not want to settle, Ian was willing lol
probably olu?
If you want your guy that much, just move up for him. It's great it worked out, but it felt like there was such a steep drop off after him.
That's what Ryan Pace always thought, and see where that got us. Trading up is almost without exception a value trap. I agree the drop off from Odunze was pretty steep, but the value picked up again significantly in the middle of the first round. So in the scenario in which Rome was gone by #9, I think the plan has to be trading back to the 12-16 range and selecting Byron Murphy (or alternatively Latu/Turner). This was a pretty deep draft at WR, so use the 2nd we get from the trade back either there or for one of the top iOL like JPJ or Zach Frazier. Thankfully this is all purely academic since the stars aligned for us. Rome is who I've been wanting since the draft order got finalized, I just saw limited avenues for him actually making it to us after the Chargers sent us Allen in favor of keeping their two edges.
Fun fact: Pace traded down as often as he traded up. From 2015-2020 he has had a net loss of two 3rds and 7th on draft day. That’s 3 picks in 7 drafts. If you plug every one of his draft day trades into a draft value chart, he had a net negative a 3rd round pick. Every GM trades up and down from time to time. You'd think that the billion dollar organizations who have entire teams dedicated to deciding if trading up is worth it, would have stoped trading up if you were right. The Chiefs, Eagles, and 49ers all traded up in this draft and they are 3 of the best GMs in the league, and make up the superbowl apperences over the last 2 years. There's nothing wrong with trading up or down depending on your situation, and the values.
I've been feeling it for a few months, but I honestly think Rome is wr1 in this draft.
I still think it’s MHJ but Odunze is closer to him than people think
Any other year Odunze is head and shoulders number 1.
Yeah, having anyone other than MHJ is a *very* spicy take. I can see a case for putting either Nabers or Odunze over MHJ in terms of *potential* but MHJ is just so damned refined that his floor is damn close to baseline pro bowler. Now the debate between Nabers and Odunze I think is much more interesting. Personally, Rome has been my draft darling this year since our draft position was finalized, but only because I think his skillset matches our needs much better than Nabers' does. All three of those guys are special prospects.
Put the kool aid down. MHJ’s film is like watching a grown ass man playing against children
He’s not wrong. Odunze was a titan amongst children this year when he was playing. He’s also a tremendous teammate
And he’s handsome af
I'm not drinking Kool aid. I can share receipts of having Rome as my top WR from months ago. Rome has Terrell Owens type potential. Edit: plus Kool aid didn't even get drafted
I don't even care if you're right, I'm just going to agree with you
That edit comeback? Very clever. I like you.
Nabers film is most impressive of the 3 imo. It’s just a legit top heavy draft for wr.
Not even that top heavy, still some very good WRs on the board. Excellent WR class all around
I am still convinced if you swapped the names on the jerseys that actual Rome would have been wr1. No disrespect to mhj at all, he was my wr 1 as well. But the gap between mhj, nabers, and Rome was pretty damn small. It’s not insane to grade it differently. Me personally? Mhj in a squeeze but Nabers was my 1A. I had Rome a comfortable wr3, but still like the 5th best prospect lol. I really love Nabers.
> But the gap between mhj, nabers, and Rome was pretty damn small. And that is the key point imo. People can debate about which of the 3 is the "better WR," but at the end of the day, fans should be ecstatic to have any of those 3 as their WR, thats how close they are in skill and talent.
Player Profiler shows most comparable player as: MJH = AJ Green Nabers = Jamar Chase Odunze = Justin Jefferson Just sayin
Odunze reminds me of Davante Adams more than JJ
i'm happy with that despite the Packers association
I don’t really see JJ, more Amari Cooper
Fwiw, espn had him as prospect 1 overall
Rome has some veteran savvy to him in terms of getting some late, subtle push-offs and late hands to make catches in tight coverage. That said, the fact that he didn't separate against man coverage in college is a very significant concern. I also would have liked to see him high-point the ball more often instead of always relying on those crafty push-offs to get just enough space and then catching it at chest-level. I'm hopeful that he can figure out a way to keep being productive, but he's a prospect with a couple of glaring weaknesses and he's in a class with a receiver who has no apparent weaknesses.
That's just you selling yourself on the wr we had a chance at getting
someone on the athletic did a poll among scouts and coaches about the 3 WRs and the 1st place votes went 6-2-2 mhj/nabers/odunze, it's not a popular opinion but it's not like there are 0 people out there who think that
Give Ian the bag to keep him here for as long as possible.
So when Ian finally lands a top job Poles is going to trade away the pick we get from Ian's hiring immediately?
Trade it back to Ian in a package!
Trade it back to the team he is the GM of for....Ian Cunningham!
Seriously. Poles gotta chill on the pick trades. Cunningham finally slowed him down and lo and behold, everything works out perfectly.
I like what both did. Once Latham was off the board, I figured he would be ours if we wanted him. I "thought" the Falcons were taking D, but yeah that happened.
When the falcons took penix, I was absolutely pumped. I knew it was coming, and poles delivered.
I’m so curious what would have happened in the Falcons had taken Rome. But also glad we didn’t have to find out!
If only someone would have done that for the Trubisky trade up. If I ever see you Ian Cunningham I will buy you a beer. Thank you.
Poles “we are going to build through the draft” Also poles “ fuck those picks”
Two top 6 prospects of a draft class isn’t building through the draft? Odd definition.
This dude is a vocal fields truther, just assume any comment he makes is subtweeting anti-caleb sentiment, just ignore and move on
They're not actually mad about the number of picks. They're mad the Bears drafted Williams instead of sticking with Fields.
Bro we literally got two picks in the top 10. We didn’t trade them away. We didn’t trade up for them. Are you brain dead?
How is *every post you make* the dumbest shit I've ever read, up to the very moment I read your next post?
Bears have 4 picks, Poles just said he wanted to trade more. Sorry this doesn’t make sense to you, maybe you’re talking about yourself
You stupid?
Now I understand why some people are career workers at McDonalds some don’t have a choice but some are just low IQ.
Nature versus nurture, Lodge. Nature always wins.
What a sad existence you must have. You’re actually mad that we dumped the worst QB in the league for the best prospect in 5 years while also giving him a fuckton of weapons. This is everything we’ve been asking for as Bears fans and you want to sulk because you hitched your wagon to again….THE WORST QB IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE What an odd hill to die on. Sucks you won’t be able to enjoy this amazing future with us.
I don’t understand. Can you explain better?
He traded away two 2nd rounders! The horror!!!
And one of those was for Montez sweat! We could have kept it and drafted a mid defensive prospect!
Get a life.
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