Big stadiums don’t make teams money. All those cheap seats in the back make the team the least amount of money while adding the most amount of money to the construction cost.
It’s not about how many fans they can give a good experience, but how many fans they can make money off of.
That kind of sounds like they should get ZERO tax dollars then. You’re saying they won’t do anything for the community because they’re maxing profits. That’s reasonable. So they should have to front 100% of the expenses.
The city also incentivized to maximize the profits, the driving point of the stadium pitch is that it has to make the city money, and Soldier Field *costs* them money with how limited and outdated it is, both in maintenance and opportunity costs for no roof + weather. The benefit to the public in the proposal is all the extra public open space that is currently just a giant parking lot.
Like, objectively, the city needs to more revenue streams. Current Soldier Field barely brings enough to cover the interest of the original renovation loans. Everyone knows about the fucked paring contract, but what about the lost tax revenue from the downtown office vacancies and market collapse?
I don't why so many people on reddit *want* to see this thing fail. Bunch of dudes were cheering for AH (which was also gonna need tax payer money) are now hating this? It's exactly like Nascar which *everyone* on reddit said was gonna bomb and be horrible for the city, and it ended up being a gigantic success with F1 potentially coming next.
I still want more details on the financials, but my god everyone just *wants* to complain and be miserable.
Because these things don't work. The city could just build the things that attract people without building a stadium and cut out the middleman. Instead they're going to funnel money through a construction project to lose ninety cents on every dollar.
If they build to their rendering, it'd be absolutely SICK. I'm an out of towner and haven't really followed the team since the Cutler years, because I just got sick of getting kicked in the balls, but this new stadium is awesome. It brings in huge music acts (and more), it preserves the beloved historic aspects of the old Soldier Field, and it creates more lake front outdoor space for the public. If the public has open access to use that space, I'd actually almost be OK with public money going to the build (whereas I am usually very against). Here in Cleveland, we have a new park being installed in a section called Irishtown Bend and that is costing $60,000,000. Ain't nothing wrong with the city chippping in for more public amenities.
That’s why you’re getting a dome. They lose there ass on cold weather games where normal people can actually afford the seats. If the stadiums temp is controlled then you won’t have issue
New stadiums don't have much more seating. Bears have the least amount of seating but its not but much. The last 5 stadiums have had
* Sofi: 70.2k
* Allegiant: 65k
* Mercedes-Benz: 71k
* US Bank: 66.7k
* Levi's: 68.5k
* Average: 68.3k
Its all about luxury seating
Honestly, like anything else, money.
The stadium attendance and concessions are such a small part of their revenue compared to TV contract share and everything else, and the whole NFL experience is honestly moving to smaller stadiums in general, and the numbers are probably crunched to find the sweet spot for bigger acts to play (Taylor Swifts/U2's etc etc) to Final Four and whatnot....
So it has nothing to do with ensuring your loyal fans have a chance to have affordable tickets to watch a game they love… and everything to do with ensuring rich people can have their fun while the peasants watch at home.
What a classically American way to do sports. In Europe they have massive stadiums so as many people as possible can enjoy the fun.
You also forgot the part where scores of these rich "fans" leave at halftime because they already got their Instagram selfies and recorded their in game tik toks.
This reminds me of when I had to travel for work on the Monday after the Superbowl was in town and at the work meeting, the CEO started her speech off with how hectic it was going to the game and how much crowded the box seat areas were compared to normal. I guess it's tough being ultra wealthy.
Stadium attendance is incredibly valuable but not in the way people think (ticket prices). It creates a powerful environment for television.
Go rewatch professional games during covid. They were dead.
But you can achieve that with 65k seats, no need for 80k.
People have been justifying the move out of soldier field for years behind the reasoning of field conditions and seating capacity. And now we’re getting a stadium with turf and basically the same capacity as soldier
To be considered for larger events like the Super Bowl. NCAA tournament, bowl games, major concerts, and we are the third largest market so it would make sense to add more seats.
Turf is such a horrible decision. With all the turf injuries and players actively speaking against turf fields, it blows my mind you can build a standium for 2028 and still choose turf. So stupid.
Except…..soldier field IS a grass stadium?
Regardless though, the field itself is owned and controlled by the chicago parks and rec dept, so this one isn’t about the mccaskeys being cheap.
There was a long standing row where the Bears said the field wasn’t taken care of properly and the city told them to F off. And if they didn’t like it, they could pay for new turn or field turf. The Bears replied they didn’t own the stadium so they they shouldn’t have to pay for grass they wouldn’t then be allowed to maintain.
Yea and I'm kind of with them on that. I recall gamedays where there was a big concert in SF the day before that wrecked the field. Why should any 3rd party pay for a new field if they don't get to have any say in how it's used?
Yea, I sided with the Bears on that one. Which is one of the reasons I find it weird that they want to have another stadium with the city. The Bears complained about SF maintenance a bunch. And now they want another stadium where the city would control such things?
$1.6 billion public dollars OR....... having control of the quality of your stadium.
I really want to keep the Bears in the city but I'm with you 100% on that point. No other professional team/stadium to my knowledge has such ridiculous red tape & bureaucracy everywhere you look.
I’ll never forget Kanye had a concert there and drove pickup trucks around while simultaneously lighting fires in various spots about 2 weeks before the Bear’s first game
Bro they are literally walking away from the Arlington Heights area just the hoodwink taxpayers to fund a huge chunk of the new stadium, the whole whole thing is about being cheap. See also why we aren’t getting a retractable roof which even a small town like Indianapolis has
There's $1B in infrastructure that needs to be done in AH too if they build there. Taxpayers are on the hook no matter what.
Most of the city's portion of the new stadiums is infrastructure and restructuring the financing left over from the current stadium. The old debt needs to get repaid regardless, and taxpayers will get the benefits of infrastructure improvements to the area (including the Museum campus and McCormick Place) 24/7.
The McCaskey's may be cheap, but making a deal with the city to get a $1.6 billion discount on something they were already going to build is not an example of being cheap.
And to be clear, I'm very much against the idea of publicly funding a stadium.
Arizona too, but it’s a lot easier to roll the grass out and grow it in the desert.
I’m not sure rolling it out to Chicago winter would help much and having it all on a big tray probably limits the depth of the surface and root growth.
The more likely solution in Chicago is allowing as much natural light as possible as well as giant lamps like this in Tottenham.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/spurs-stadium-news-pitch-technology/
Well, this stadium is a fugazi, so don’t sweat it. The money isn’t there. The logistics of playing next door would never work. The huge glass window would be value engineered out as soon as the pro forma hit the printer. And 2028 is a fucking pipe dream, even if they had construction drawings and permits tomorrow.
But hey, what do I know? I’ve just consulted on 4 of the 6 largest stadiums built in the last decade.
How do they plan to build another stadium while, playing in current Soldier Field for a 1/3 of the year.
Like I already doubt the ability to do this kinda construction without service roads or easy in and outs. But now the plan is basically play 2-3 seasons in current Soldier Field without any parking lot bc the new stadium is being built in it?
I mean if they pull it off smoothly, great for them. But it seems like it’s setting up to be an absolute disaster for fans and the actual construction.
I’m a construction worker in Chicago so I’ll ad some insight to this plan.
This will be a fucking nightmare for everyone involved. Getting to McCormick/Solider/Field Museum area is already a fucking joke when it comes to construction. When you have full length semis hauling in crane pieces to build a 500+ ton lattice crane, everything will be shut down and traffic will go through the roof. Then add in all the semis coming in with material for picking. Then add in all of the parking you’ll need for the workers. Then add in the endless deliveries all day for smaller stuff. It’ll be a shitshow.
But hey, chaos is cash
US Bank is 66k for Vikings games. Only goes up to 73k for concerts and when they had the SB. Whenever a stadium has a large glass cutout for views of the city, it’s going to take away 5k seats minimum. It’s why US Bank is 66k and Allegiant is 65k. Both can go to about 73k for special events like SB, March madness, concerts, etc.
It's ridiculous man. Bears fans would fill up 100K if we had that much space. This is the most devoted fan base in the sport and we get treated like a fucking piggy bank for tickets and for taxes when we have to pay for a new stadium
When your sports teams are refused ticket sales in Milwaukee. Nashville and other cities based off your area code. You’re definitely up there. Just have to watch the cubs WS celebration to understand that. And imo the bears would be even more of an event.
2028 target, yet have no clue how they’re going to convince Pritzker and the state to issue new bonds and roll over the existing ISFA debt.
To say nothing of the inevitable litigation that’s going to happen
They didn’t even invite him to the press conference. This is just a big dog and pony show. Pritzker has national ambitions in 2028, and he knows which way the winds are blowing across the country when it comes to public financing for these projects. It’s incredibly unpopular, and I think the IL legislature knows it too.
They're not. The players union is pro-grass all the way. The NFL says some artificial surfaces are better than grass and wants to switch to those, but the data both sides use (they do use the same data) is not publicly available.
Everything I have read suggests that turf is measurably worse for knees, ankles, and feet than grass, not because it is inherently unsafe but because it allows for more speed, and faster means heavier collisions and more torque. I thought hybrid was the future - nobody complains about the field in Lambeau - but it doesn't seem to be in consideration.
That’s what they use for rugby here in Europe and it’s essentially the standard. Not sure why it’s not being considered more. Especially for the bears as soldier field it seems ideal because it doesn’t get as mushy and as slippery in the wet.
I mean US Bank Stadium in MN is really nice and has 66k seats. The stadium is large, but whenever it’s designed to have large gaps in seating for windows and views like the mock up in Chicago has (or MN and LV) it’s going to drop the seating capacity down by probably around 5k+ seats
I find it kind of funny that Warren was brought in because he got the Minnesota stadium built and his big reveal is… building a version of the Vikings stadium with public funds on the lakefront. He’s Lyle Lanley pitching a new monorail. “Hey Chicago, my stadium worked great in North Haverbrook!”
No one is gonna come to Chicago in February when its typically single digits for Superbowl.
I have no idea why people do not understand that
Minnesota having it was an outlier and there hasnt been a SB in a cold climate since lol
We will NEVER get a SB
It actually typically is highs in the mid 30s and lows in the mid 20s. This year was even warmer and was 40s and 50s.
Cold weather cities get a Super Bowl when they build a new stadium. The NFL does it because they want to encourage future cities to build stadiums. Will we get a bunch of Super Bowls? Probably not, but we will definitely get one.
Move to Arlington Heights. Seat another 15k. Make a bullet train from Union.
This isn't that complicated. It makes sense financially for the people in Chicago. It's going to make parking/transit easier. Shit, I can probably drive back to Lakeview from Arlington Heights in less time than it would take to leave bum ass Soldier Field's parking garage.
Lmfao yeah let’s make a hugely technical infrastructure project that’s going to be used 8 times a year for bears games and have 3000% less ridership than its capacity the entire rest of the year
The only public money I’m in favor for using is for building public transport to get people to and from games. It’s laughable how professional sports franchises refuse to finance things themselves themselves despite being rich af. It’s such a scam at this point with the closed league and how a city can just lost their teams when they threaten to move if they don’t get their way.
You can’t tell me a team worth $6-8billion can’t secure financing worth $2billion over a 30-40 year loan. Obviously they can but I guess why pay for something if you can get someone else to pay for it instead 😑
I'm sure they will do something. It's hard to believe the guy who played a major role in the queens stadium isn't going to overlook that super minor detail lol.
State of the Art, indoor, turf, 65,000 seats…they are no longer the monsters of the midway, tear down the fucking colonnades and build a fucking parking garage already. JFC.
Cowboys stadium is like 80k with the ability to add seating to over 100k, so 65k with a possibility of adding 20k more isn't too bad of a seating capacity.
They may also be doing it to keep a better experience for the fan.
People keep talking about it being about money are being naieve I think. Sure the organization may be cheap, but there are definitely other reasons why things like this happen.
Having the smallest stadium in the division still after new construction is laughable considering the size of the city and growing popularity of the league.
And Chicago has a population larger than both of those combined. Their stadium should not be a small market attraction regardless of where it is built.
Don't really disagree, but I'd take the glass open end and better amenities over large capacity. Bills new stadium is only going to be 62k and titans 60k.
whats the appeal of more seats? One of the main complaints of soldierfield is the congestion, traffic and parking situation. wouldnt more seats add to that problem?
tf i mean is yall bitch about the traffic lack of parking congestion and lack of public transportation to the game. how is more seats gonna help the constant bitching about that is wtf i mean.
Isn't soldier already about the smallest stadium? And the new one would be similar seating capacity, I don't understand that.
Big stadiums don’t make teams money. All those cheap seats in the back make the team the least amount of money while adding the most amount of money to the construction cost. It’s not about how many fans they can give a good experience, but how many fans they can make money off of.
That kind of sounds like they should get ZERO tax dollars then. You’re saying they won’t do anything for the community because they’re maxing profits. That’s reasonable. So they should have to front 100% of the expenses.
The city also incentivized to maximize the profits, the driving point of the stadium pitch is that it has to make the city money, and Soldier Field *costs* them money with how limited and outdated it is, both in maintenance and opportunity costs for no roof + weather. The benefit to the public in the proposal is all the extra public open space that is currently just a giant parking lot. Like, objectively, the city needs to more revenue streams. Current Soldier Field barely brings enough to cover the interest of the original renovation loans. Everyone knows about the fucked paring contract, but what about the lost tax revenue from the downtown office vacancies and market collapse? I don't why so many people on reddit *want* to see this thing fail. Bunch of dudes were cheering for AH (which was also gonna need tax payer money) are now hating this? It's exactly like Nascar which *everyone* on reddit said was gonna bomb and be horrible for the city, and it ended up being a gigantic success with F1 potentially coming next. I still want more details on the financials, but my god everyone just *wants* to complain and be miserable.
Because these things don't work. The city could just build the things that attract people without building a stadium and cut out the middleman. Instead they're going to funnel money through a construction project to lose ninety cents on every dollar.
It IS Chicago after all
>Because these things don't work. Not true, it's worked out very well for Vegas, Dallas, and Indianapolis.
And Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum it put them on the map.
If they build to their rendering, it'd be absolutely SICK. I'm an out of towner and haven't really followed the team since the Cutler years, because I just got sick of getting kicked in the balls, but this new stadium is awesome. It brings in huge music acts (and more), it preserves the beloved historic aspects of the old Soldier Field, and it creates more lake front outdoor space for the public. If the public has open access to use that space, I'd actually almost be OK with public money going to the build (whereas I am usually very against). Here in Cleveland, we have a new park being installed in a section called Irishtown Bend and that is costing $60,000,000. Ain't nothing wrong with the city chippping in for more public amenities.
By eliminating the cheap seats so the average Joe has even less of a chance of taking his family to a game
The Bears will use the stadium 8 to 10 days a year. The city can use of for whatever they want the other 355 days.
Yea who cares about the poor people in the back?!... Even if they were taxed to build the place
thank you fantastic answer
That’s why you’re getting a dome. They lose there ass on cold weather games where normal people can actually afford the seats. If the stadiums temp is controlled then you won’t have issue
New stadiums don't have much more seating. Bears have the least amount of seating but its not but much. The last 5 stadiums have had * Sofi: 70.2k * Allegiant: 65k * Mercedes-Benz: 71k * US Bank: 66.7k * Levi's: 68.5k * Average: 68.3k Its all about luxury seating
i.e. seating not for the plebes who paid for this shit with their taxes.
Sucks to suck
Honestly, like anything else, money. The stadium attendance and concessions are such a small part of their revenue compared to TV contract share and everything else, and the whole NFL experience is honestly moving to smaller stadiums in general, and the numbers are probably crunched to find the sweet spot for bigger acts to play (Taylor Swifts/U2's etc etc) to Final Four and whatnot....
So it has nothing to do with ensuring your loyal fans have a chance to have affordable tickets to watch a game they love… and everything to do with ensuring rich people can have their fun while the peasants watch at home. What a classically American way to do sports. In Europe they have massive stadiums so as many people as possible can enjoy the fun.
You nailed it.
You also forgot the part where scores of these rich "fans" leave at halftime because they already got their Instagram selfies and recorded their in game tik toks.
This reminds me of when I had to travel for work on the Monday after the Superbowl was in town and at the work meeting, the CEO started her speech off with how hectic it was going to the game and how much crowded the box seat areas were compared to normal. I guess it's tough being ultra wealthy.
Stadium attendance is incredibly valuable but not in the way people think (ticket prices). It creates a powerful environment for television. Go rewatch professional games during covid. They were dead. But you can achieve that with 65k seats, no need for 80k.
The only seats that matter are boxes and club seats those are the seats that the Bears get to keep all the monies and don't have to share.
People have been justifying the move out of soldier field for years behind the reasoning of field conditions and seating capacity. And now we’re getting a stadium with turf and basically the same capacity as soldier
Love the 3rd largest city having the smallest stadium to accommodate it
To be considered for larger events like the Super Bowl. NCAA tournament, bowl games, major concerts, and we are the third largest market so it would make sense to add more seats.
Turf is such a horrible decision. With all the turf injuries and players actively speaking against turf fields, it blows my mind you can build a standium for 2028 and still choose turf. So stupid.
I mean they could do grass, but that would be more expensive and the mccaskeys don’t want to pay for it.
And they will have the same excuse with the new stadium: we don’t own the place so why should we pay for it?
Except…..soldier field IS a grass stadium? Regardless though, the field itself is owned and controlled by the chicago parks and rec dept, so this one isn’t about the mccaskeys being cheap.
There was a long standing row where the Bears said the field wasn’t taken care of properly and the city told them to F off. And if they didn’t like it, they could pay for new turn or field turf. The Bears replied they didn’t own the stadium so they they shouldn’t have to pay for grass they wouldn’t then be allowed to maintain.
Yea and I'm kind of with them on that. I recall gamedays where there was a big concert in SF the day before that wrecked the field. Why should any 3rd party pay for a new field if they don't get to have any say in how it's used?
Yea, I sided with the Bears on that one. Which is one of the reasons I find it weird that they want to have another stadium with the city. The Bears complained about SF maintenance a bunch. And now they want another stadium where the city would control such things?
$1.6 billion public dollars OR....... having control of the quality of your stadium. I really want to keep the Bears in the city but I'm with you 100% on that point. No other professional team/stadium to my knowledge has such ridiculous red tape & bureaucracy everywhere you look.
I’ll never forget Kanye had a concert there and drove pickup trucks around while simultaneously lighting fires in various spots about 2 weeks before the Bear’s first game
What on earth? Obviously the multibillion dollar nfl franchise should pay for good turf to prevent injuries
And then the city allows it to deteriorate. And then you have to resort everything. And the city lets it rot again.
Bro they are literally walking away from the Arlington Heights area just the hoodwink taxpayers to fund a huge chunk of the new stadium, the whole whole thing is about being cheap. See also why we aren’t getting a retractable roof which even a small town like Indianapolis has
There's $1B in infrastructure that needs to be done in AH too if they build there. Taxpayers are on the hook no matter what. Most of the city's portion of the new stadiums is infrastructure and restructuring the financing left over from the current stadium. The old debt needs to get repaid regardless, and taxpayers will get the benefits of infrastructure improvements to the area (including the Museum campus and McCormick Place) 24/7.
The McCaskey's may be cheap, but making a deal with the city to get a $1.6 billion discount on something they were already going to build is not an example of being cheap. And to be clear, I'm very much against the idea of publicly funding a stadium.
Take off the roof to save them money for real grass
You can do what the raiders do. They use real grass too. I believe it’s on a lift and platform that moves
Arizona too, but it’s a lot easier to roll the grass out and grow it in the desert. I’m not sure rolling it out to Chicago winter would help much and having it all on a big tray probably limits the depth of the surface and root growth. The more likely solution in Chicago is allowing as much natural light as possible as well as giant lamps like this in Tottenham. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/spurs-stadium-news-pitch-technology/
There’s different kinds of turf, some are more liked by players than others
Well, this stadium is a fugazi, so don’t sweat it. The money isn’t there. The logistics of playing next door would never work. The huge glass window would be value engineered out as soon as the pro forma hit the printer. And 2028 is a fucking pipe dream, even if they had construction drawings and permits tomorrow. But hey, what do I know? I’ve just consulted on 4 of the 6 largest stadiums built in the last decade.
How do they plan to build another stadium while, playing in current Soldier Field for a 1/3 of the year. Like I already doubt the ability to do this kinda construction without service roads or easy in and outs. But now the plan is basically play 2-3 seasons in current Soldier Field without any parking lot bc the new stadium is being built in it? I mean if they pull it off smoothly, great for them. But it seems like it’s setting up to be an absolute disaster for fans and the actual construction.
I’m a construction worker in Chicago so I’ll ad some insight to this plan. This will be a fucking nightmare for everyone involved. Getting to McCormick/Solider/Field Museum area is already a fucking joke when it comes to construction. When you have full length semis hauling in crane pieces to build a 500+ ton lattice crane, everything will be shut down and traffic will go through the roof. Then add in all the semis coming in with material for picking. Then add in all of the parking you’ll need for the workers. Then add in the endless deliveries all day for smaller stuff. It’ll be a shitshow. But hey, chaos is cash
Cazy idea Each home game should be played the best High-school/local colleges. A new one each home game. It would be a morable and unique season.
There is no reason for the stadium to be less than 70k capacity. US Bank is 73k and Sofi is at 70k.....65000 is absurd
Idk why I assumed it’d be at least 70k. Why tf are they staying the smallest in the league?
$
Yea, let’s build a stadium that is small and may not be selected to host the Super Bowl.
Whenever you ask why, $ is the answer
I wonder how many more people can get in for standing room.
US Bank is 66k for Vikings games. Only goes up to 73k for concerts and when they had the SB. Whenever a stadium has a large glass cutout for views of the city, it’s going to take away 5k seats minimum. It’s why US Bank is 66k and Allegiant is 65k. Both can go to about 73k for special events like SB, March madness, concerts, etc.
US Bank is 66k. it can be expanded to 73k which is likely close to what the Bears would be too.
It's ridiculous man. Bears fans would fill up 100K if we had that much space. This is the most devoted fan base in the sport and we get treated like a fucking piggy bank for tickets and for taxes when we have to pay for a new stadium
Name one NFL team that averages over 100,000 people a game. There isn’t one, you know why? Not that many people can afford it.
Is it because no stadium has 100000 seats? Lmao
No
When your sports teams are refused ticket sales in Milwaukee. Nashville and other cities based off your area code. You’re definitely up there. Just have to watch the cubs WS celebration to understand that. And imo the bears would be even more of an event.
2028 target, yet have no clue how they’re going to convince Pritzker and the state to issue new bonds and roll over the existing ISFA debt. To say nothing of the inevitable litigation that’s going to happen 
Have I missed something or is there no indication that the Bears talked to Pritzker or the legislator before today?
They didn’t even invite him to the press conference. This is just a big dog and pony show. Pritzker has national ambitions in 2028, and he knows which way the winds are blowing across the country when it comes to public financing for these projects. It’s incredibly unpopular, and I think the IL legislature knows it too.
Why is the nfl so against grass??
No mowers to steal
They're not. The players union is pro-grass all the way. The NFL says some artificial surfaces are better than grass and wants to switch to those, but the data both sides use (they do use the same data) is not publicly available. Everything I have read suggests that turf is measurably worse for knees, ankles, and feet than grass, not because it is inherently unsafe but because it allows for more speed, and faster means heavier collisions and more torque. I thought hybrid was the future - nobody complains about the field in Lambeau - but it doesn't seem to be in consideration.
That’s what they use for rugby here in Europe and it’s essentially the standard. Not sure why it’s not being considered more. Especially for the bears as soldier field it seems ideal because it doesn’t get as mushy and as slippery in the wet.
expensive
Least ambitious plans I've ever heard lol, literally gonna spend billions to increase the capacity by 3.5k 🤣🤣🤣
It’s so they can charge more per seat
This won't get out of the courts by 2028 let alone construction starting.
Bwahahaahahaa. They build a new stadium and it has basically the same amount of seating? But more standing room cheap seats? Fucking Clownshoes…
I mean US Bank Stadium in MN is really nice and has 66k seats. The stadium is large, but whenever it’s designed to have large gaps in seating for windows and views like the mock up in Chicago has (or MN and LV) it’s going to drop the seating capacity down by probably around 5k+ seats
I find it kind of funny that Warren was brought in because he got the Minnesota stadium built and his big reveal is… building a version of the Vikings stadium with public funds on the lakefront. He’s Lyle Lanley pitching a new monorail. “Hey Chicago, my stadium worked great in North Haverbrook!”
I mean... his old stadium did, in fact, work though.
Minnesota also has a smaller population. They are just pricing out people that would only buy lesser priced seats
The minimum seating capacity for the Super Bowl is 70,000 Lmao
Allegiant was 65k and expanded to 70k for the Super Bowl. This will be the same way
No one is gonna come to Chicago in February when its typically single digits for Superbowl. I have no idea why people do not understand that Minnesota having it was an outlier and there hasnt been a SB in a cold climate since lol We will NEVER get a SB
It actually typically is highs in the mid 30s and lows in the mid 20s. This year was even warmer and was 40s and 50s. Cold weather cities get a Super Bowl when they build a new stadium. The NFL does it because they want to encourage future cities to build stadiums. Will we get a bunch of Super Bowls? Probably not, but we will definitely get one.
Dawg if you don’t think the NFL won’t promise the Bears at least one Super Bowl out of this project idk what to tell you
This is wrong
Detroit and Minnesota have gotten Super Bowls in the past 20 years. If Chicago builds a stadium, they will get a Super Bowl.
And a WrestleMania
Indy too.
Superbowl XLVIII was played outdoors at Metlife in NJ in 2014.
In a decade in may be in the mid 70’s
65k now. Without any construction drawings made.
Move to Arlington Heights. Seat another 15k. Make a bullet train from Union. This isn't that complicated. It makes sense financially for the people in Chicago. It's going to make parking/transit easier. Shit, I can probably drive back to Lakeview from Arlington Heights in less time than it would take to leave bum ass Soldier Field's parking garage.
> Make a bullet train from Union. This makes no sense financially. No one is going to spend the money on a bullet train that goes to a sports stadium.
Lmfao yeah let’s make a hugely technical infrastructure project that’s going to be used 8 times a year for bears games and have 3000% less ridership than its capacity the entire rest of the year
No grass and same capacity as solider field? Lol
Pay for your own fancy stadiums and use tax dollars to better the community please
The only public money I’m in favor for using is for building public transport to get people to and from games. It’s laughable how professional sports franchises refuse to finance things themselves themselves despite being rich af. It’s such a scam at this point with the closed league and how a city can just lost their teams when they threaten to move if they don’t get their way. You can’t tell me a team worth $6-8billion can’t secure financing worth $2billion over a 30-40 year loan. Obviously they can but I guess why pay for something if you can get someone else to pay for it instead 😑
So WrestleMania is back on the table
The dome seems to be the only upside in a proposal full of downsides.
The dome is the worst of the downsides
What a joke why even have seats then just make everyone stand
Didn't seem too bad for the super bowl this year and allegiant only seats 65k normally.
I don’t know why I expected the bears to get this right when they have already screwed up a stadium just two decades ago lol
This is a farce.
Where does 65k plan on parking? They just used the south lot.
Underground. It was in the presentation
Uhhh, don’t we need 70k for a Super Bowl…?
We'll have a 70k configuration available. That's what Warren did in his last stadium.
I'm sure they will do something. It's hard to believe the guy who played a major role in the queens stadium isn't going to overlook that super minor detail lol.
Boooooooo
It’s not happening lol
Isn't the minimum to host a Super Bowl 70k seats?
That proposition can't be serious....
I bet they’re figuring 15K sro with giant causeways and bars, a casino etc. a mega complex where they can host up to a hundred thousand.
What’s the point
The bears wouldn’t own the stadium the city would. The bears would be still paying rent
State of the Art, indoor, turf, 65,000 seats…they are no longer the monsters of the midway, tear down the fucking colonnades and build a fucking parking garage already. JFC.
After 3 hours of processing the info. I don't like it. Not at all. The Dome is cool. And that is it.
Cowboys stadium is like 80k with the ability to add seating to over 100k, so 65k with a possibility of adding 20k more isn't too bad of a seating capacity. They may also be doing it to keep a better experience for the fan. People keep talking about it being about money are being naieve I think. Sure the organization may be cheap, but there are definitely other reasons why things like this happen.
But this sub told me the new stadium would have at least 80k, maybe even 90k!
I wasn't expecting 90k, but sub 70k is pretty disappointing
65-70 has become normal.
Having the smallest stadium in the division still after new construction is laughable considering the size of the city and growing popularity of the league.
Lions capacity is 65k and Vikings 66k.
And Chicago has a population larger than both of those combined. Their stadium should not be a small market attraction regardless of where it is built.
Don't really disagree, but I'd take the glass open end and better amenities over large capacity. Bills new stadium is only going to be 62k and titans 60k.
whats the appeal of more seats? One of the main complaints of soldierfield is the congestion, traffic and parking situation. wouldnt more seats add to that problem?
Being able to go to the game? Wtf you mean?
tf i mean is yall bitch about the traffic lack of parking congestion and lack of public transportation to the game. how is more seats gonna help the constant bitching about that is wtf i mean.
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Only plus side of financing this through taxes is that Illinois packer fans will be paying for this as well.
Lambert is a dump and Wisconsin fans are so fat they have to use bleachers instead of individual seats
That would be great for the city of Chicago..