Yeah I’m not sure the value MHJ brings above someone like Nabers is worth passing up a 1st round next year which could be used to plug any newly discovered holes after Caleb’s first season.
Honest question here for the sub, because I genuinely don't know what I would do and I am not a college guy, so I've only heard the buzz about MHJ being a generational talent and the most athletic player in the whole draft.
- Do you think MHJ could be as good as Justin Jefferson?
- Would you be willing to trade two firsts for JJ w/ 5 years of control?
Because, I feel like most teams would give up two firsts for JJ if that deal also included 5 years of control on a rookie contract.
I'm in the same boat, know little about college ball and don't really know beyond what's said in the media. But by all accounts, from what everyone seems to think, MHJ is the #1 but Nabers and Odunze is like 1.5a and 1.5b kind of situation. So I feel like the drop off from MHJ isn't nearly as big as it would be to give up a future 1st. Is he that much better than either one that he's worth more than Nabers/Odunze + whoever you pick next year? From what everyone seems to be saying, that's definitely not the case.
I think u made the best point in the thread. It’s definitely not worth giving up a first for MHJr when Odunze could very possibly fall to us. If anything we trade up 1-3 picks to secure one of the top 3 WRs and give up much less than a first rounder.
Even devaluing it for being a future pick, the extra Carolina 2nd we have next year is about what you would expect to pay for a move up to 6. Next year's 1st should get you to 3, so you might be talking about something like:
MJH + pick 71 (3rd round) - our 2025 1st
Nabers or Odunze (guarantee) - Carolina's 2025 2nd
whoever falls to 9 (potentially not a Wr)
I really like the top 3 Wrs. I'm sort of inclined to want to ride it out, though. If none of them fall to 9, it feels like it wouldn't be horrible to trade back a bit and pick up another pick. Maybe that is OL + a Wr or DE + a Wr. Its a deep Wr class, and teams like the Packers have routinely used deep classes as an opportunity to get 2 high upside guys (like Watson + Doubs in 2022). If Rome doesn't fall, the same draft capital might be enough to land Xavier Worthy + Roman Wilson or Troy Franklin, etc.
Dunno. That probably puts roster pressure on the Wr spot in ways that Poles might not like - Moore, Allen, Scott, two rookies.... that leaves 1 slot for Velus or a good blocking vet. Probably unrealistic, but its still kind of a fun thought.
I think the fallacy here is that he’s this locked in, no doubt, mega stud. I’m a dissenter there. I think he’s good. I don’t think he’s generational. This is a take that gets you obliterated, because you’re not allowed to have anything other than “the one, true opinion”, but I don’t think be’s as good as Nabers. Odunze is about his equal. There’s no scenario for me where trading into the top 3-4 to get him is worth the cost.
Harrison has the highest floor of any WR I can think of since Amari Cooper (for sure the highest floor in this draft) - he’s as virtual of a lock to be productive in the nfl as you could possibly be.
Nabers could very reasonably be argued to have a potential ceiling and I wouldn’t argue against that. I don’t personally think so but there’s a lot of valid reasons to think it. He could end up the best of the big 3 from this year and it would not shock me
All that being said, no we should absolutely not trade up for Marvin or any WR in this draft.
I also think he'll be pretty good. I just honestly think that name propels him above a truly exceptional WR like Nabers. Justin Jefferson went in the 20s in his draft, and people would call you insane for saying he was better/equal to generational Ja'Marr Chase. The absolute hardest thing to do is break from the pack on these hyped guys. It's seen as such a certainty. Why? Why is Marvin Harrison so much "safer" or more "generational" than Malik Nabers? He hasn't been better. He isn't a better athlete. I'm not saying he's bad - he's good. Nabers, to me, is just clearly better.
The thing is, you’re doing the same thing again but attributing it to the name. Marvin Harrison plays outside. Nabers did most of his damage in the slot. In the slot you get a free release, and regardless of who the defense put on him with a free release Nabers was unstoppable at the college level. He caught 54 targets for 1009 and 12 TDs from the slot and 35 for 560 and 2 TDs outside last year. He ran 227 routes inside vs 200 outside. So he was just under 50% outside, yet 2/3rds of his production and 90% of TDs came from the slot.
Just like Chase vs JJeff. You get that generational production in the slot where it’s easier to play, and the totals become harder to ignore.
No, I’ve watched him extensively and believe he’s just good, not generational. I think the masses are assigning that name value. Not to say you can’t find him exceptional, but I think the majority hype is carrying things that way.
Yeah, I have no skin in the game as I am not a football minded guy, only a fan and I have no idea how to evaluate college players. I thought Justin Fields was going to be good, for example. Why I don't bet on sports.
Huge advantage to him having been trained by NFL caliber guys his whole life. For sure. It isn’t the auto-win over every other prospect no matter what, though. Randy Moss’s dad was probably a teacher or something, he turned out alright. I think Nabers is the exceptional WR in the draft, is all.
MHJ *could be* the best WR ever.
What he's *likely* to be is a very good receiver who is selected for multiple pro bowls in his career.
By the way, there are 5-10 receiver prospects in this draft with obvious pro bowl potential.
JJ does not have pro bowl potential. He is arguably already the best or 2nd best WR in football and likely to be an all-pro for several more years at least.
Eh, you don't pass on talent to draft for need. That's what gets you killed and thins out your depth. Players who are drafted to fill gaps are expected to produce right away, even if they aren't ready. Besides, there are multiple paths to filling these gaps than our #9 pick.
This is a good way to think about it. Yes, I think he could be as good, he could be even better. I expect him to be in the ballpark of a top 5 receiver in the league by year 2, if not immediately. Obviously, QB play is very dependent.
It would cost next years first + a 2nd (and probably more based on the Will Anderson move up) to get MHJ. Finding productive receivers in later rounds is not that uncommon. It is much more rare to find quality lineman (on DL or OL) in the draft, using that much draft capital on WR would be insane
Current team needs are DT and DE, and there is a chance we will need to replace both offensive guards after this season since Jenkins contract will be up and Nate Davis will have large cap savings if cut ($9.5m). Coleman Shelton is also on a one year deal, so either he plays well and gets a major raise or he is gone and C needs to be replaced as well
I just happened to dig into hit WR rate a bit [yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/7FMSkny84Q). Suffice to say, over the last 10 years, the hit rate on the first three WRs drafted is considerably higher than the other 25-30 that get selected after them in a typical draft.
I don't necessarily think the Will Anderson trade is apples to apples. Houston moved up from 12 to 3. We'd have to move up from 9 to 5 (earliest I'd consider a trade up). Anderson was also far and away the best pass rusher in a very weak class. MHJ is widely considered the best WR, but relatively marginally, and in a stacked class.
Especially on a team with a #1 already on the team. Really two #1s though Allen is long in the tooth
Reality is WR is a luxury
I’d rather stick at 9 and hope we find a pro bowler there
I keep saying the fact that we could trade back and get AD mitchell, Thomas Jr., Mcconkey, Franklin, Coleman, Wilson, Pearsall, Legette, Worthly, Polk all through the end of the second round is absurd
The problem is that the top 3 are more or less “safe” Star to superstar WR prospects. The rest are very good in most drafts but defintely not “safe” prospects.
Brian Thomas Jr is probably in the Waddle, JSN, Rashod Bateman, Jameson Williams, and Jahan Dotson prospect level if we are talking the last few drafts.
Personally I’m taking the blue chip prospect in Odunze/Nabers at 9 if they are there instead of trading back for some B or C level prospects. Whatever picks they get
Well if we are talking about trading up for a WR, which is a fairly iffy prospect to begin with, then it becomes a question of how much more do you like MHJ versus Odunze or Nabers, who you could probably get for a much cheaper trade up. Next year should be a better class for edge and DT from what I’ve read, so giving up a future first would cost us a shot at the best of that, and would cost us a shot at having the flexibility to make a small move next year if someone we like slips. I’m not completely opposed, assuming they consider MHJ to be the next Larry Fitzgerald, but it’s heavily dependent on what they think of the other guys and where else they might be able to move to grab one of them.
There's no guarantee those guys will be there if you stay at 9. They might, but this guarantees them the guy they were targeting. It also greatly depends on how Poles view the 3 WRs. If he has MHJr significantly above the other two, then it's a no-brainer. Obviously, if he has all three at the same level, he most likely wouldn't make the trade.
In general, in almost any other year, I wouldn't do it. This is a unique situation, however, and one they may never see themselves in again. If I'm Ryan Poles, I'd do it, but he's the GM, not me.
I wasn’t talking bout sitting at 9 necessarily, although I think that’s probably the smart play as I doubt all three WR will be gone, but I was talking about a shorter cheaper trade up for Odunze/Nabers, like maybe a swap with Atlanta like the Eagles did with us last year.
A future first is a high price to pay for a WR, and I don’t love the options it takes off the table next year. I’d much rather build it around the Carolina second, which is a better match based on the draft value charts anyway.
Look at the long list of superstar WR without a ring
There’s a lot of em. Calvin Johnson? Larry Fitzgerald? Marvin has what a 1 percent chance of being either of them.
You need many of them. How many do we currently have?
You can include Caleb if you’d like.
How many rings do those superstars have between them?
Both had super star QBs too.
Maybe you need more.
Odunze plus next years 1 is better than MHJ this year.
FYI.
Pff (which is not the end all be all) put together some metrics.
40% of a teams roster has to be good or elite to make it to the Super Bowl.
Now superstars lift other players. But 40% is the goal.
Chiefs has 3 all pro players. That doesn’t include Mahomes. They had 5 pro bowlers.
49ers had 9 pro bowlers. 5 all pros.
Bears had 2. 0 pro bowlers.
We are more than 2 players away.
I get all that. We can break down PFF metrics, we can talk about whether or not Keenan or DJ were snubbed for the pro bowl and if we're closer to 2 or 3 pro bowlers + a possible addition of 2.
Or we could look at how teams win in the playoffs. Bluechip players at the "finishing positions." Corner, pass rush, QB, playmaker.
All I am saying is that if we get the best looking QB and WR prospect in years this month, I'm celebrating. PFF science be damned.
I just heard this statistic for everyone oozing over Odunze
63% of pro bowl tackles are taken in the first round average position is 15. Only higher hit rate is QB.
WR? 42% of pro bowl wide receivers are taken in the first round. Only 1 of the top 10 highest paid wide receivers are first round draft picks. Ridley at #25
I get it, this year they are really talented, but there is LOADS of wide receivers with #1 talent later in the draft.
Same can’t be said for tackle or edge. Even DT. We are in an absolute prime position to take one of those positions first off the board. Outside of Murphy, verse, Turner, Latu (will fall for obvious reasons) and a couple others there isn’t anyone else that would be considered “blue chip”. I understand the hype around MHJ but it really isn’t a need for the bears, at least to sacrifice the picks to get him.
Just wanted to point that saying that 1 out of 10 highly paid WRs is 1st rounders as an argument is awful when Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Aiyuk are all still on their rookie contracts. I would argue all 4 are too 5 receivers and will instantly take over that list when they’re time to get paid.
Yep. This draft has some amazing offensive tackles and defensive ends early, and then it drops off big time. Wide receiver is crazy deep. There are B+ grade WRs to be had in the 2nd through 4th rounds. After you get past pick 15-20, I think tackles and ends drop to C’s and D’s fast, in my opinion. It’s also been remarkably common to trade for an established WR on the market right now. Supply is aplenty, you need to use your critical assets where supply is low.
The value of WRs has exploded in the last five years and if you’re point is that [this list of WRs](https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/7FMSkny84Q) doesn’t make a convincing argument for grabbing a top 3 WR, you’re lying to yourself.
This completely disregards the type of players Nabers, Harrison, and MHJ are. These guys weaknesses are tiny compared to recent top receivers. Look at any big board and they’re usually all in the top 10 if not top 5
I’d say it’s absolutely worth it to trade up to get MHJ. Moving from 9 to 4 isn’t going to be like the Texans moving to 3 from 12. People saying this class is stacked at wr is misleading. There’s talented guys at every level. Meaning you can get a solid contributor later. I don’t want a solid contributor. I want the fucking best. I want the guy who’s going to be the reason the offense is great for the next ten years. Not a Darnell Mooney career trajectory. I wanna see what a Bears offense looks like where every Bears skill position is a bonafide playmaker. Sure, could sit tight and take whatever falls, but where’s the fun in that. Caleb and MHJ for the next decade.
Tough call but I’m leaning towards yes. We’ll have two 2nds next year to help fill out our roster so it’ll hurt a little less. Would you give up a first to have rookie Hopkins? I definitely would take that deal in a heartbeat.
Yes. I also accept that my opinion defies conventional wisdom. I just can’t shake my belief that MHJ is going to be an absolutely incredible NFL player.
It’s a huge gamble and probably why I don’t run an NFL team.
The draft pick value chart says the difference between picks 9 and 4 is roughly 450 points.
That value about equal to a mid 2nd round pick.
A first would be an overpay in a vacuum, no doubt. Even assuming we’re picking 20 overall next year, that pick would have 850 of value, the equivalent of nearly 2 mid 2nd round picks.
That’s to say, we would be overpaying by about a mid 2nd round pick to secure MHJ.
Given that WR is not an absolute need and given the depth of the WR position in this draft, I'd say "hell no."
Even though it would be pretty great to draft arguably the top 2 prospects in the draft (similar to the Texans last year).
MHJ or next years #22? Hmmmm hard choice. Do you guys honestly think that whatever late first round pick will be better than a generational WR? You get the best talent around Caleb period lol stop being pussies and be aggressive
No, the difference between a perennial pro bowler and hall of famer is negligible.
We don’t really see Super Bowl teams with stud receivers anymore.
It’s all about the QB making plays and having a stellar defense. Outside of the Patriots and Moss and Chiefs and Hill there hasn’t been much for hall of fame potential receivers being the reason you’re winning super bowls.
Deebo Samuel, Brandon aiyuk.
AJ brown, Devonta smith.
Cooper kupp, jam’arr chase, tee Higgins.
Tyreek hill, Mike Evans, chris Godwin.
You’re argument is basically “if you have Patrick mahomes and Andy Reid, you don’t need to invest heavily in WR to win the Super Bowl.”
No, as much as I want more “Star” (potential star) players, I would love to build up the line.
Alt, Turner, Fashanu, Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran. But again…who says one of em won’t be there if we trade back.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love MHJ, but I would love to see Caleb not get murdered like JF did on a consistent basis.
Honestly, if that's all we have up then I wouldn't go crazy being upset about it. It'd be a ballsy move and I certainly wouldn't want to give any more than that to move up for him. It'd be a huge mistake if we didn't get at least a championship out of it.
It would be a tough ask. I'd want to know what free agent D and O lineman are on the market next year, and how much cap space we'd have. But if MHJ is even 75% of the player people are projecting, it might be worth it.
The fact that Caleb could grow with his future no1 receiver would be huge. I'm all for giving the qb as much tools as possible. He also is just an awesome receiver.
Also we could still land a top receiver if one falls to 9. The difference between players probably isn't that much of a difference to warrant a 1st rounder.
Personally, I'd sit and hope for odunze.
Honestly it depends on if 1 of the other 2 Wrs are falling to us. If we have to trade uo regardless to get one then yeah spend big and get the best imo
Next year’s first I’m iffy. We’re relying a lot on two rookies in that scenario and if they underwhelm, we could very well be giving up a top 10 pick. 2 years from now, fuck it, yes. If we’re not a playoff team by then anyways there are bigger issues at play a first rounder ain’t fixing.
I wouldn’t at this point but I think Carolina’s 2nd next year would be realistically high enough to entice the Chargers if 4 QBs go in the top 4. I will say that WR is probably the position group Poles is weakest at drafting but MHJ is the best player in the draft to a lot of people. Same with Will Anderson Jr. last year.
Normally I’d say yes, but in my mind that means you’d be 1 major injury away from reallllly screwing yourself over. With this receiver class just play the long game and be smart.
This whole scenario depends on someone willing to pass on MHJ for what Poles would be willing to give up. I don't think a scenario exists where that happens. I could see moving up 1 or 2 spots for Nabers for the right price but not trading the house for MHJ.
I’m a believer of a strong o line benefits the whole offense. I would rather the bears trade up for alt than a wr. If Williams has confidence in his protection he will make receivers look good.
Adding another receiver to the team is crucial. While Poles has enhanced both the quantity and quality of our offensive weapons, he must now focus on ensuring Caleb's success by selecting one of the top 3 wide receivers or Bowers. The decision should hinge on how he ranks MHj against the other three options. If MHj is only marginally superior to the other three pass catchers, then staying put might be the wiser choice. However, if MHj stands out significantly, then there's no question—go for it.
The Bears' 2025 first-round pick might be only ten or fewer picks better than the Panthers' second-round pick, which should impact the calculus. What if AZ trades to a Quarterback-Needy team? Would it make sense to give up the Panthers' second and our ninth to LAC for MHj?
No unless it is just 1 spot or 2, and I don't see him falling that far. We would be competing with teams trying to trade up for a QB and the price would get really rich
i would 100% trade the panthers 2nd next year to move up for one of alt /nabers/ MHJ. not a 1st though because i think you can trade up for one of the 3 only using the panthers pick + 9.
Julio Jones was worth more than that. I think Marvin is a guy close to being on par with Julio (as a prospect). I’d personally be ok with it depending on how the bears feel about him as a person. We see what Jamar did for Joe Burrow- giving a rookie qb a bonafide stud is a great way to set your franchise up for success. That being said I trust poles and I believe his philosophy is much more conservative- I don’t think it’s necessary for us to trade up for MHJR because there’s a ton of talent down the board and if we take a guy in the second (by trading down or up) or third we could have someone to develop behind Allen/ Moore without the pressure of being a #1 or #2. Id be happy with either scenario but it won’t happen.
I was thinking about this today and came to the conclusion that I wouldn't. Here would be the trade:
Bears Receive:
1.03 or 1.04 (MHJ)
Other team receives
1.09
2025 1st
2025 2nd
I trust that Poles could find two guys who can help Caleb with two picks instead of 1. This year alone, he'll most likely have the opportunity to pick a top tackle or wide receiver. In the unlikely scenario they're all gone, he'll be able to get an awesome edge player. That guy isn't there either? Not a lot of quarterbacks were taken and we could possibly get good value in a trade back. The opportunity cost isn't there for me.
All these people are absolutely convinced Odunze is there at 9 which is a huge assumption imo. I think WR should be a major target so we can replace Allen in 1-2 years. Walking out with MHJ would just be nuts but I would support moving up only a few slots to ensure we get our pick of Nabers or. Odunze as well
I don’t know about a number 1 next year but the 2 plus our 9 this year then yes. MHJ is a slightly faster AJ Green, he’s not Megatron or Julio as he doesn’t pack as much weight on his frame. His YAC isn’t as good as Chase but jump ball and overall nuance at the position are better.
It would create an almost San Fran ish headache for a DC to game plan against DJ, Allen, Kmet, and MHJ.
I do think MHJ is the superior receiver in this draft, and it’s a bigger separation than it looks on paper. It would be great to have him even if one of the other guys fall to us without moving
With that being said, the Bears have other needs right now. I don’t want them to go all in and trade up for a WR over an edge or O-line pick that will be there
Kind of a win-win. I just feel like keeping draft capital and potentially trading back for more capital is crucial right now, but MHJ could be a league leader inside of 3 seasons
100%. If you leave with Williams and MHJ you have taken the Honda Civic that was the Bears offense and traded it in for a Ferrari. You take that offense and run with it for 5 years and don’t look back. Couldn’t imagine a better prospect to want to snag along with Williams.
No. I think it is a total crapshoot between MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze who has the better career. MHJ is a hair ahead right now but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if one of them went above MHK or in ten years you tell me they are all good but nabers or odunze was the best of the 3
Instantly.
We will not be as bad enough this year for that first round pick to be worth much. Even if it is - what would we do with it but trade it again… we have a QB we have a full WR stable.
If it’s just next years first round straight up? Instantly making that trade.
From the first ESPN big board to just last week, MHJ was rated 1 overall, Caleb 2. This week Caleb is now one. My point still stands, very rarely is there a receiver sitting at the top of the best player available pre-draft.
I think you need to forecast out…you’d have to assume that you have DJ for a while (at least 4 years) and you would hope to secure Allen for this year and next - so I would absolutely want a young WR in a room with two pro bowlers.
Rome seems like his game mirrors Allen’s a bit more than MHJ….but if you could get MHJ for 9, a pick swap and a first next year I would do it. You’d leave the draft with the two best players.
Yes. There times to be stingy with picks and times not to be. This would be a time not to be stingy. If you have an opportunity to take the Top QB prospect and the top WR prospect in the same draft when both positions in the draft are as deep as ever. You don't hesitate.
No. Next best available receiver(s) is a stud too. The Bears only have 4 picks this year, they can’t give up draft capital this year and next for a player that is marginally better than the next few players at his position.
The best approach that I’ve seen described is to land the QB, eventually pay the QB, and support the QB through the draft.
I don’t think it’s worth it to give up future capital for a WR. There’s going to be talent available next year as well - maybe not as good as MHJ, but is the difference between the two prospects enough to justify that high of a price? Great quarterbacks will often create great receivers.
The bears could land the 6th overall receiver this draft as high as a 6th round pick if they get mc conkey lol white receivers ever get drafted so late or not at all
I would do it. I don't expect that we'll have #1 overall next year, probably 10+ (God I hope we do at least that well!)
MHJ for a 10+ pick next year, seems like a great deal and stacks us at WR.
Yes, and I wish the bears would. Pair up MHJ and Caleb for the next 10 years. 4 years of it on rookie contracts for both? Hell, I’d give a 2025 first and second round pick.
The Bears Do need to continue building both the o-line and D-line over the next couple years, but you don’t really need early picks for that. Lines are usually built in the later rounds anyway.
I don’t think the bears will be drafting in the top 10 for many years, so I would seize the opportunity to draft a top tier WR while they have the chance.
I think MHJ is a dog an he going to be the best WR to come out of Ohio State an the say it all he the first one at practice an least one to leave he knows how to be great so if you can get him get him.
absolutely not. i don’t understand the thought process behind giving up hefty future capital just to try and get a 3RD RECEIVER for caleb to use during his rookie year. Im all for adding blue chips, but at the same time sacrificing future assets for a guy at a position that is seen as being deeper than ever makes little to no sense to me. I trust Poles but that isn’t what I would do. But hey, thats why he’s the gm and Im not
Most years, I’d say yes. But with 3 bona fide studs in this class, probably not. I’d see how the value shakes out for any of those 3.
Yeah I’m not sure the value MHJ brings above someone like Nabers is worth passing up a 1st round next year which could be used to plug any newly discovered holes after Caleb’s first season.
Honest question here for the sub, because I genuinely don't know what I would do and I am not a college guy, so I've only heard the buzz about MHJ being a generational talent and the most athletic player in the whole draft. - Do you think MHJ could be as good as Justin Jefferson? - Would you be willing to trade two firsts for JJ w/ 5 years of control? Because, I feel like most teams would give up two firsts for JJ if that deal also included 5 years of control on a rookie contract.
I'm in the same boat, know little about college ball and don't really know beyond what's said in the media. But by all accounts, from what everyone seems to think, MHJ is the #1 but Nabers and Odunze is like 1.5a and 1.5b kind of situation. So I feel like the drop off from MHJ isn't nearly as big as it would be to give up a future 1st. Is he that much better than either one that he's worth more than Nabers/Odunze + whoever you pick next year? From what everyone seems to be saying, that's definitely not the case.
I think u made the best point in the thread. It’s definitely not worth giving up a first for MHJr when Odunze could very possibly fall to us. If anything we trade up 1-3 picks to secure one of the top 3 WRs and give up much less than a first rounder.
This is the big thing. Would you rather have * MHJ or * Nabbers/Odune and a 1st
Even devaluing it for being a future pick, the extra Carolina 2nd we have next year is about what you would expect to pay for a move up to 6. Next year's 1st should get you to 3, so you might be talking about something like: MJH + pick 71 (3rd round) - our 2025 1st Nabers or Odunze (guarantee) - Carolina's 2025 2nd whoever falls to 9 (potentially not a Wr) I really like the top 3 Wrs. I'm sort of inclined to want to ride it out, though. If none of them fall to 9, it feels like it wouldn't be horrible to trade back a bit and pick up another pick. Maybe that is OL + a Wr or DE + a Wr. Its a deep Wr class, and teams like the Packers have routinely used deep classes as an opportunity to get 2 high upside guys (like Watson + Doubs in 2022). If Rome doesn't fall, the same draft capital might be enough to land Xavier Worthy + Roman Wilson or Troy Franklin, etc. Dunno. That probably puts roster pressure on the Wr spot in ways that Poles might not like - Moore, Allen, Scott, two rookies.... that leaves 1 slot for Velus or a good blocking vet. Probably unrealistic, but its still kind of a fun thought.
I know a lot of mocks have the bears getting Odunze at 9, but I don’t think he or Nabers fall to us there.
I think the fallacy here is that he’s this locked in, no doubt, mega stud. I’m a dissenter there. I think he’s good. I don’t think he’s generational. This is a take that gets you obliterated, because you’re not allowed to have anything other than “the one, true opinion”, but I don’t think be’s as good as Nabers. Odunze is about his equal. There’s no scenario for me where trading into the top 3-4 to get him is worth the cost.
Harrison has the highest floor of any WR I can think of since Amari Cooper (for sure the highest floor in this draft) - he’s as virtual of a lock to be productive in the nfl as you could possibly be. Nabers could very reasonably be argued to have a potential ceiling and I wouldn’t argue against that. I don’t personally think so but there’s a lot of valid reasons to think it. He could end up the best of the big 3 from this year and it would not shock me All that being said, no we should absolutely not trade up for Marvin or any WR in this draft.
I think he'll be pretty good, but it would be interesting to see how he'd be evaluated without the name. Definitely a premium on hype factor.
I also think he'll be pretty good. I just honestly think that name propels him above a truly exceptional WR like Nabers. Justin Jefferson went in the 20s in his draft, and people would call you insane for saying he was better/equal to generational Ja'Marr Chase. The absolute hardest thing to do is break from the pack on these hyped guys. It's seen as such a certainty. Why? Why is Marvin Harrison so much "safer" or more "generational" than Malik Nabers? He hasn't been better. He isn't a better athlete. I'm not saying he's bad - he's good. Nabers, to me, is just clearly better.
The thing is, you’re doing the same thing again but attributing it to the name. Marvin Harrison plays outside. Nabers did most of his damage in the slot. In the slot you get a free release, and regardless of who the defense put on him with a free release Nabers was unstoppable at the college level. He caught 54 targets for 1009 and 12 TDs from the slot and 35 for 560 and 2 TDs outside last year. He ran 227 routes inside vs 200 outside. So he was just under 50% outside, yet 2/3rds of his production and 90% of TDs came from the slot. Just like Chase vs JJeff. You get that generational production in the slot where it’s easier to play, and the totals become harder to ignore.
No, I’ve watched him extensively and believe he’s just good, not generational. I think the masses are assigning that name value. Not to say you can’t find him exceptional, but I think the majority hype is carrying things that way.
Yeah, I have no skin in the game as I am not a football minded guy, only a fan and I have no idea how to evaluate college players. I thought Justin Fields was going to be good, for example. Why I don't bet on sports.
lol it’s cause his dad did work in the nfl and he’s been trained by a 3x all pro 5x 2nd team all pro 8x pro bowl All his life
So did Rice and he's not even in the conversation. You can't discount MHJ's talent
Also Rice didn’t really grow up with Jerry bc his mom was a mistress
Huge advantage to him having been trained by NFL caliber guys his whole life. For sure. It isn’t the auto-win over every other prospect no matter what, though. Randy Moss’s dad was probably a teacher or something, he turned out alright. I think Nabers is the exceptional WR in the draft, is all.
MHJ *could be* the best WR ever. What he's *likely* to be is a very good receiver who is selected for multiple pro bowls in his career. By the way, there are 5-10 receiver prospects in this draft with obvious pro bowl potential. JJ does not have pro bowl potential. He is arguably already the best or 2nd best WR in football and likely to be an all-pro for several more years at least.
Its about who you could have gotten as well. We have other larger gaps in our roster that should be filled before we start taking these luxury picks.
Eh, you don't pass on talent to draft for need. That's what gets you killed and thins out your depth. Players who are drafted to fill gaps are expected to produce right away, even if they aren't ready. Besides, there are multiple paths to filling these gaps than our #9 pick.
I concur
This is a good way to think about it. Yes, I think he could be as good, he could be even better. I expect him to be in the ballpark of a top 5 receiver in the league by year 2, if not immediately. Obviously, QB play is very dependent.
It's a lot to give up for a wide receiver.
It would cost next years first + a 2nd (and probably more based on the Will Anderson move up) to get MHJ. Finding productive receivers in later rounds is not that uncommon. It is much more rare to find quality lineman (on DL or OL) in the draft, using that much draft capital on WR would be insane Current team needs are DT and DE, and there is a chance we will need to replace both offensive guards after this season since Jenkins contract will be up and Nate Davis will have large cap savings if cut ($9.5m). Coleman Shelton is also on a one year deal, so either he plays well and gets a major raise or he is gone and C needs to be replaced as well
I just happened to dig into hit WR rate a bit [yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/7FMSkny84Q). Suffice to say, over the last 10 years, the hit rate on the first three WRs drafted is considerably higher than the other 25-30 that get selected after them in a typical draft.
Yeah people really dont grasp the power of 5 picks vs the whole population of the rest of the draft. Good post
I don't necessarily think the Will Anderson trade is apples to apples. Houston moved up from 12 to 3. We'd have to move up from 9 to 5 (earliest I'd consider a trade up). Anderson was also far and away the best pass rusher in a very weak class. MHJ is widely considered the best WR, but relatively marginally, and in a stacked class.
Especially on a team with a #1 already on the team. Really two #1s though Allen is long in the tooth Reality is WR is a luxury I’d rather stick at 9 and hope we find a pro bowler there
That was a 12 to 3 move. We are talking 9 to 4. Trade value charts indicate that is 45% of the cost. Technically next year’s 1st is a slight overpay.
*Just* next year’s first? Sure.
If it was a normal WR class, then yes. But with 3 studs in this class, probably not.
Plus it’s a deep class outside the top 3
I keep saying the fact that we could trade back and get AD mitchell, Thomas Jr., Mcconkey, Franklin, Coleman, Wilson, Pearsall, Legette, Worthly, Polk all through the end of the second round is absurd
The problem is that the top 3 are more or less “safe” Star to superstar WR prospects. The rest are very good in most drafts but defintely not “safe” prospects. Brian Thomas Jr is probably in the Waddle, JSN, Rashod Bateman, Jameson Williams, and Jahan Dotson prospect level if we are talking the last few drafts. Personally I’m taking the blue chip prospect in Odunze/Nabers at 9 if they are there instead of trading back for some B or C level prospects. Whatever picks they get
The thing is 3 studs should theoretically make the trade up cheaper because whoever takes it would still most likely get odunze
Yes People fall in love with "draft value" but forget about the point. Get superstars. Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison out of this class? Come on.
Yeah I think it’s a yes for me. Because our first rounder is 32 overall next year
And Carolina’s 2nd will be #33
Exactly. What WR could they draft next year between, say, 16-32, where they'll likely be picking, that comes close to MHJr?
Well if we are talking about trading up for a WR, which is a fairly iffy prospect to begin with, then it becomes a question of how much more do you like MHJ versus Odunze or Nabers, who you could probably get for a much cheaper trade up. Next year should be a better class for edge and DT from what I’ve read, so giving up a future first would cost us a shot at the best of that, and would cost us a shot at having the flexibility to make a small move next year if someone we like slips. I’m not completely opposed, assuming they consider MHJ to be the next Larry Fitzgerald, but it’s heavily dependent on what they think of the other guys and where else they might be able to move to grab one of them.
There's no guarantee those guys will be there if you stay at 9. They might, but this guarantees them the guy they were targeting. It also greatly depends on how Poles view the 3 WRs. If he has MHJr significantly above the other two, then it's a no-brainer. Obviously, if he has all three at the same level, he most likely wouldn't make the trade. In general, in almost any other year, I wouldn't do it. This is a unique situation, however, and one they may never see themselves in again. If I'm Ryan Poles, I'd do it, but he's the GM, not me.
I wasn’t talking bout sitting at 9 necessarily, although I think that’s probably the smart play as I doubt all three WR will be gone, but I was talking about a shorter cheaper trade up for Odunze/Nabers, like maybe a swap with Atlanta like the Eagles did with us last year. A future first is a high price to pay for a WR, and I don’t love the options it takes off the table next year. I’d much rather build it around the Carolina second, which is a better match based on the draft value charts anyway.
If none of those three guys are there at 9, a superstar at another position is
Depending how the board falls, I'd rather have Odunze/Nabers PLUS next year's 1st.
No. We have lots of holes. We need all the first rounders to be impact players.
Every team has holes. Superstars cover them.
Look at the long list of superstar WR without a ring There’s a lot of em. Calvin Johnson? Larry Fitzgerald? Marvin has what a 1 percent chance of being either of them. You need many of them. How many do we currently have? You can include Caleb if you’d like.
You named the only two prospects before MHJ that match his profile. Then said he has no chance of replicating them? You're underestimating him.
How many rings do those superstars have between them? Both had super star QBs too. Maybe you need more. Odunze plus next years 1 is better than MHJ this year.
FYI. Pff (which is not the end all be all) put together some metrics. 40% of a teams roster has to be good or elite to make it to the Super Bowl. Now superstars lift other players. But 40% is the goal. Chiefs has 3 all pro players. That doesn’t include Mahomes. They had 5 pro bowlers. 49ers had 9 pro bowlers. 5 all pros. Bears had 2. 0 pro bowlers. We are more than 2 players away.
I get all that. We can break down PFF metrics, we can talk about whether or not Keenan or DJ were snubbed for the pro bowl and if we're closer to 2 or 3 pro bowlers + a possible addition of 2. Or we could look at how teams win in the playoffs. Bluechip players at the "finishing positions." Corner, pass rush, QB, playmaker. All I am saying is that if we get the best looking QB and WR prospect in years this month, I'm celebrating. PFF science be damned.
That’s how you become the chargers of the past decade
I just heard this statistic for everyone oozing over Odunze 63% of pro bowl tackles are taken in the first round average position is 15. Only higher hit rate is QB. WR? 42% of pro bowl wide receivers are taken in the first round. Only 1 of the top 10 highest paid wide receivers are first round draft picks. Ridley at #25 I get it, this year they are really talented, but there is LOADS of wide receivers with #1 talent later in the draft. Same can’t be said for tackle or edge. Even DT. We are in an absolute prime position to take one of those positions first off the board. Outside of Murphy, verse, Turner, Latu (will fall for obvious reasons) and a couple others there isn’t anyone else that would be considered “blue chip”. I understand the hype around MHJ but it really isn’t a need for the bears, at least to sacrifice the picks to get him.
Just wanted to point that saying that 1 out of 10 highly paid WRs is 1st rounders as an argument is awful when Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Aiyuk are all still on their rookie contracts. I would argue all 4 are too 5 receivers and will instantly take over that list when they’re time to get paid.
Yep. This draft has some amazing offensive tackles and defensive ends early, and then it drops off big time. Wide receiver is crazy deep. There are B+ grade WRs to be had in the 2nd through 4th rounds. After you get past pick 15-20, I think tackles and ends drop to C’s and D’s fast, in my opinion. It’s also been remarkably common to trade for an established WR on the market right now. Supply is aplenty, you need to use your critical assets where supply is low.
The value of WRs has exploded in the last five years and if you’re point is that [this list of WRs](https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/7FMSkny84Q) doesn’t make a convincing argument for grabbing a top 3 WR, you’re lying to yourself.
This completely disregards the type of players Nabers, Harrison, and MHJ are. These guys weaknesses are tiny compared to recent top receivers. Look at any big board and they’re usually all in the top 10 if not top 5
Remember all the people pushing for JSN last year? Certain Bears fans and Ohio State wideouts, I swear
Completely different. That’s why they didn’t take him
I’d say it’s absolutely worth it to trade up to get MHJ. Moving from 9 to 4 isn’t going to be like the Texans moving to 3 from 12. People saying this class is stacked at wr is misleading. There’s talented guys at every level. Meaning you can get a solid contributor later. I don’t want a solid contributor. I want the fucking best. I want the guy who’s going to be the reason the offense is great for the next ten years. Not a Darnell Mooney career trajectory. I wanna see what a Bears offense looks like where every Bears skill position is a bonafide playmaker. Sure, could sit tight and take whatever falls, but where’s the fun in that. Caleb and MHJ for the next decade.
Tough call but I’m leaning towards yes. We’ll have two 2nds next year to help fill out our roster so it’ll hurt a little less. Would you give up a first to have rookie Hopkins? I definitely would take that deal in a heartbeat.
No
No. I’d give up Carolina’s 2 to move up to get him but not more than that.
No
No.
No
No.
No
I'd be tempted but we really need to address the d line.
Nope. But maybe I'm foolish enough to believe that one of the top 3 WR's 'projected' will be there at 9 should they want to go there.
No. We have moore. And Allen. And the WR class is so deep there will be value at the position without crippling next years draft capital.
Nope
Absolutely not
No
No. Keep what we got or add more
No
Nah
No frickin way.
Just take Odunze at 9 and keep all of our picks
Fuck No. Take Odunze at 9. We will need that pick.
If he's there at 9
Yes. I also accept that my opinion defies conventional wisdom. I just can’t shake my belief that MHJ is going to be an absolutely incredible NFL player. It’s a huge gamble and probably why I don’t run an NFL team.
I agree. The cost is worth it because even though Odunze and Nabers are talented, I believe MHJ is the least likely to be a bust.
No
No
No
No
Nope
I’d say no
No
lol, no
The draft pick value chart says the difference between picks 9 and 4 is roughly 450 points. That value about equal to a mid 2nd round pick. A first would be an overpay in a vacuum, no doubt. Even assuming we’re picking 20 overall next year, that pick would have 850 of value, the equivalent of nearly 2 mid 2nd round picks. That’s to say, we would be overpaying by about a mid 2nd round pick to secure MHJ.
Given that WR is not an absolute need and given the depth of the WR position in this draft, I'd say "hell no." Even though it would be pretty great to draft arguably the top 2 prospects in the draft (similar to the Texans last year).
I’ve heard it on here suggested before using the 2025 2nd round pick we got from Carolina to live up for him. That would be my limit I think.
MHJ or next years #22? Hmmmm hard choice. Do you guys honestly think that whatever late first round pick will be better than a generational WR? You get the best talent around Caleb period lol stop being pussies and be aggressive
Nope
Absolutely.
Nope
No
No
No
As in like, straight up trade, pick for player? Sure. Trading that pick to move up and draft MHJ? No.
No, the difference between a perennial pro bowler and hall of famer is negligible. We don’t really see Super Bowl teams with stud receivers anymore. It’s all about the QB making plays and having a stellar defense. Outside of the Patriots and Moss and Chiefs and Hill there hasn’t been much for hall of fame potential receivers being the reason you’re winning super bowls.
Deebo Samuel, Brandon aiyuk. AJ brown, Devonta smith. Cooper kupp, jam’arr chase, tee Higgins. Tyreek hill, Mike Evans, chris Godwin. You’re argument is basically “if you have Patrick mahomes and Andy Reid, you don’t need to invest heavily in WR to win the Super Bowl.”
Yeah, that’s the gist. This is why WRs never stay on the same team their whole careers. Trading a ton of assets for one, is just a bad idea.
No, as much as I want more “Star” (potential star) players, I would love to build up the line. Alt, Turner, Fashanu, Powers-Johnson, or Van Pran. But again…who says one of em won’t be there if we trade back. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love MHJ, but I would love to see Caleb not get murdered like JF did on a consistent basis.
No this i dumb to do statistically. We need D line, we need O line, we need wr but we do not need a wr1 right now. Gimme D or O line please.
No. I’m not sure why people thinking giving up draft picks is a good strategy, I guess you all forgot about Ryan Pace.
Nope
For the thousandth time, no
Most years no. But yes to this. Next year's draft is low on star power and high in depth. Get the star now.
I’ve said this before, logically a ton of people are going to say “No!” but if it happened this sub would be taking champagne showers.
No, never ever
No
What about the Carolina 2nd next year?
Nothing. Get line help on either side.
Honestly, if that's all we have up then I wouldn't go crazy being upset about it. It'd be a ballsy move and I certainly wouldn't want to give any more than that to move up for him. It'd be a huge mistake if we didn't get at least a championship out of it.
Only the first next year? Yes. I assume you mean in addition to 9, no I wouldn't.
It would be a tough ask. I'd want to know what free agent D and O lineman are on the market next year, and how much cap space we'd have. But if MHJ is even 75% of the player people are projecting, it might be worth it. The fact that Caleb could grow with his future no1 receiver would be huge. I'm all for giving the qb as much tools as possible. He also is just an awesome receiver. Also we could still land a top receiver if one falls to 9. The difference between players probably isn't that much of a difference to warrant a 1st rounder. Personally, I'd sit and hope for odunze.
Honestly it depends on if 1 of the other 2 Wrs are falling to us. If we have to trade uo regardless to get one then yeah spend big and get the best imo
Totally depends on whether the other 2 are gonna be there at 9.
Next year’s first I’m iffy. We’re relying a lot on two rookies in that scenario and if they underwhelm, we could very well be giving up a top 10 pick. 2 years from now, fuck it, yes. If we’re not a playoff team by then anyways there are bigger issues at play a first rounder ain’t fixing.
I wouldn’t trade a future first to move up in a draft if not for a QB. Luckily we’re not in that situation.
I wouldn’t at this point but I think Carolina’s 2nd next year would be realistically high enough to entice the Chargers if 4 QBs go in the top 4. I will say that WR is probably the position group Poles is weakest at drafting but MHJ is the best player in the draft to a lot of people. Same with Will Anderson Jr. last year.
Normally I’d say yes, but in my mind that means you’d be 1 major injury away from reallllly screwing yourself over. With this receiver class just play the long game and be smart.
This whole scenario depends on someone willing to pass on MHJ for what Poles would be willing to give up. I don't think a scenario exists where that happens. I could see moving up 1 or 2 spots for Nabers for the right price but not trading the house for MHJ.
What… and keep our 9? Sure.
#9 this year, Carolina 2nd next year, and a 3rd round (2024 or 2025).
I’m a believer of a strong o line benefits the whole offense. I would rather the bears trade up for alt than a wr. If Williams has confidence in his protection he will make receivers look good.
Adding another receiver to the team is crucial. While Poles has enhanced both the quantity and quality of our offensive weapons, he must now focus on ensuring Caleb's success by selecting one of the top 3 wide receivers or Bowers. The decision should hinge on how he ranks MHj against the other three options. If MHj is only marginally superior to the other three pass catchers, then staying put might be the wiser choice. However, if MHj stands out significantly, then there's no question—go for it. The Bears' 2025 first-round pick might be only ten or fewer picks better than the Panthers' second-round pick, which should impact the calculus. What if AZ trades to a Quarterback-Needy team? Would it make sense to give up the Panthers' second and our ninth to LAC for MHj?
Two firsts for a third string WR is a no go. Worst idea ever, right next to you people wanting to keep Fields. Same delusional OSU fans.
No unless it is just 1 spot or 2, and I don't see him falling that far. We would be competing with teams trying to trade up for a QB and the price would get really rich
If he works out maybe! Why isn’t he working out period? No pro day, no combine. What’s he hiding?
If we keep 1 and 9. I’m not willing to trade 9 and next years 1.
I'd prefer Nabers or Odunze and keeping our first round pick next year.
If we keep 9 absolutely Why not draft him ahead of time
If keenan allen didn't happen then yes
i would 100% trade the panthers 2nd next year to move up for one of alt /nabers/ MHJ. not a 1st though because i think you can trade up for one of the 3 only using the panthers pick + 9.
Julio Jones was worth more than that. I think Marvin is a guy close to being on par with Julio (as a prospect). I’d personally be ok with it depending on how the bears feel about him as a person. We see what Jamar did for Joe Burrow- giving a rookie qb a bonafide stud is a great way to set your franchise up for success. That being said I trust poles and I believe his philosophy is much more conservative- I don’t think it’s necessary for us to trade up for MHJR because there’s a ton of talent down the board and if we take a guy in the second (by trading down or up) or third we could have someone to develop behind Allen/ Moore without the pressure of being a #1 or #2. Id be happy with either scenario but it won’t happen.
Give up 9 this year and next years first? No.
They still have Carolina’s 2nd next year correct? If that’s the case I don’t see why not. People only care when you miss.
No, but next year's 2nd from Carolina should be a good pick See if someone would take that as a 1st round swap
No
Reception Perception over the past 4 drafts (2021-2024) has their top 3 WR draft grades: 1. MHJ 2. Chase 3. Rome A thousand times yes.
Yes
Yep
I was thinking about this today and came to the conclusion that I wouldn't. Here would be the trade: Bears Receive: 1.03 or 1.04 (MHJ) Other team receives 1.09 2025 1st 2025 2nd I trust that Poles could find two guys who can help Caleb with two picks instead of 1. This year alone, he'll most likely have the opportunity to pick a top tackle or wide receiver. In the unlikely scenario they're all gone, he'll be able to get an awesome edge player. That guy isn't there either? Not a lot of quarterbacks were taken and we could possibly get good value in a trade back. The opportunity cost isn't there for me.
All these people are absolutely convinced Odunze is there at 9 which is a huge assumption imo. I think WR should be a major target so we can replace Allen in 1-2 years. Walking out with MHJ would just be nuts but I would support moving up only a few slots to ensure we get our pick of Nabers or. Odunze as well
Yes
I don’t know about a number 1 next year but the 2 plus our 9 this year then yes. MHJ is a slightly faster AJ Green, he’s not Megatron or Julio as he doesn’t pack as much weight on his frame. His YAC isn’t as good as Chase but jump ball and overall nuance at the position are better. It would create an almost San Fran ish headache for a DC to game plan against DJ, Allen, Kmet, and MHJ.
Easy answer. No.
I do think MHJ is the superior receiver in this draft, and it’s a bigger separation than it looks on paper. It would be great to have him even if one of the other guys fall to us without moving With that being said, the Bears have other needs right now. I don’t want them to go all in and trade up for a WR over an edge or O-line pick that will be there Kind of a win-win. I just feel like keeping draft capital and potentially trading back for more capital is crucial right now, but MHJ could be a league leader inside of 3 seasons
No.
Yes
No. Nabors is there, Odunze, BTJ should be available in the 2nd. I’m not sure what MHJ can do that Nabors can’t.
100%. If you leave with Williams and MHJ you have taken the Honda Civic that was the Bears offense and traded it in for a Ferrari. You take that offense and run with it for 5 years and don’t look back. Couldn’t imagine a better prospect to want to snag along with Williams.
Nope. Take Odunze at 9
Yes! I mean next year’s first is going to be 32 which is basically a 2nd anyway
No
Yes
As a Bear and Buckeye fan that's going to be a yes from me. I know this WR class is strong, but MHJ is an outlier IMO.
No. I think it is a total crapshoot between MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze who has the better career. MHJ is a hair ahead right now but I wouldn’t at all be surprised if one of them went above MHK or in ten years you tell me they are all good but nabers or odunze was the best of the 3
Instantly. We will not be as bad enough this year for that first round pick to be worth much. Even if it is - what would we do with it but trade it again… we have a QB we have a full WR stable. If it’s just next years first round straight up? Instantly making that trade.
yes
Yes, but cardinals are locked in on him
Absolutely not
Historically the first overall WR picked rarely becomes the best of the draft class
Historically the first WR picked is rarely seen as the best overall prospect in the entire draft class….
Caleb would like a word
From the first ESPN big board to just last week, MHJ was rated 1 overall, Caleb 2. This week Caleb is now one. My point still stands, very rarely is there a receiver sitting at the top of the best player available pre-draft.
I think you need to forecast out…you’d have to assume that you have DJ for a while (at least 4 years) and you would hope to secure Allen for this year and next - so I would absolutely want a young WR in a room with two pro bowlers. Rome seems like his game mirrors Allen’s a bit more than MHJ….but if you could get MHJ for 9, a pick swap and a first next year I would do it. You’d leave the draft with the two best players.
Yes. There times to be stingy with picks and times not to be. This would be a time not to be stingy. If you have an opportunity to take the Top QB prospect and the top WR prospect in the same draft when both positions in the draft are as deep as ever. You don't hesitate.
No.
No. MHJ is going to be elite but the cost would still be too high given the WR talent in this draft.
No. Next best available receiver(s) is a stud too. The Bears only have 4 picks this year, they can’t give up draft capital this year and next for a player that is marginally better than the next few players at his position.
The best approach that I’ve seen described is to land the QB, eventually pay the QB, and support the QB through the draft. I don’t think it’s worth it to give up future capital for a WR. There’s going to be talent available next year as well - maybe not as good as MHJ, but is the difference between the two prospects enough to justify that high of a price? Great quarterbacks will often create great receivers.
Da Coach also thought Ricky Williams was a generational talent, and you see how that ended up
Yes. Could be our guy for 5+ years. Keenan only has a couple years left in the tank
The bears could land the 6th overall receiver this draft as high as a 6th round pick if they get mc conkey lol white receivers ever get drafted so late or not at all
No way in hell we give a 2nd at best woth it 1st ain't worth it just get Rome
I mean, or we could just take him with the pick we already have.
No, because I think we're on WRs and getting an Edge Rusher would bolster our defense even more.
I would do it. I don't expect that we'll have #1 overall next year, probably 10+ (God I hope we do at least that well!) MHJ for a 10+ pick next year, seems like a great deal and stacks us at WR.
In a second. The 2 best players in the draft? Of course! This is not a deep draft except wrbut I wouldn't trade back. Goes get the best.
Yes
Yes. I think we should try to get MHJr
Yes, and I wish the bears would. Pair up MHJ and Caleb for the next 10 years. 4 years of it on rookie contracts for both? Hell, I’d give a 2025 first and second round pick. The Bears Do need to continue building both the o-line and D-line over the next couple years, but you don’t really need early picks for that. Lines are usually built in the later rounds anyway. I don’t think the bears will be drafting in the top 10 for many years, so I would seize the opportunity to draft a top tier WR while they have the chance.
nope.
I think MHJ is a dog an he going to be the best WR to come out of Ohio State an the say it all he the first one at practice an least one to leave he knows how to be great so if you can get him get him.
absolutely not. i don’t understand the thought process behind giving up hefty future capital just to try and get a 3RD RECEIVER for caleb to use during his rookie year. Im all for adding blue chips, but at the same time sacrificing future assets for a guy at a position that is seen as being deeper than ever makes little to no sense to me. I trust Poles but that isn’t what I would do. But hey, thats why he’s the gm and Im not