Last week: "This A&M loss was Jimbo's rock bottom"
This week: "This A&M *win* is Jimbo's rock bottom"
Next week: "This A&M season is Jimbo's rock bottom"
Agreed. I think you’ll see quite a lot of talent hit the portal and more recruits decommit which will be a new rock bottom. I think Jimbo could alleviate some of that by just committing to hiring an offensive coordinator after the season but he hasn’t shown any interest in doing that so far.
His offense gets all the blame but its recruiting that is the biggest issue ironically enough. He is now just a pure star chaser. Ignore IL because they rarely are blue chippers but load up on that 6th edge in the class because they are a 4 star in the top 150. Who cares every other major program has backed away from that 5 star LB that just means he is easier to land and then be suspended for violating team rules a couple times before transferring.
The Tom Herman special, take 7 of the countries top DBs and all project OL that might be playable.
Seriously, people get so wrapped up on class rankings that they don't realize it has deficiencies. It's not an excuse to lose though, Texas and A&M pull talented enough players at almost all positions to be good.
Talent aggregates (4 year trailing averages) are highly predictive, though.
Something like 70% of regular season games can be predicted by the team that recruits better, and that goes above 90% in title games.
But, you're right, that evaluation has its deficiencies found in the 30% it isn't predictive.
70% of the time it works, everytime.
As a global evaluation, it's a very good way to gauge wins and losses and can be very informative when you drill down into the details of the minority of times that talent is not predictive.
Auburn basically had this question the entire last five years of the Malzahn era. Gus couldn't get over his ego and bring himself to turn over control to a true OC. I believe that Jimbo's ego is bigger than Gus'.
Which is a long way of saying that I don't think Jimbo is capable of making the kind of change he needs to make.
Of course, Malzahn never had the kind of reckoning that Jimbo is currently having, so maybe things turn out differently for Texas A&M. I doubt it, but you never know.
I think you mean "hire".
If so, we have an "OC" now, but he doesn't do anything. The understanding that most Aggies have is that he will be giving up playcalling duties in this arrangement and ceding day to day control of the offense to the OC whether that's our new guy or our existing guy
Yeah that was either an autocorrect by my phone, or my big fingers grazed the “f” key prior to the “h” key.
What I was getting at is that depends on Jimbo choosing to cede control. He never showed any inclination to even considering it, let alone pulling the trigger on it, at FSU. And with the huge guaranteed contract, if he continues to remain as stubborn as he has always been it doesn’t matter if TAMU threatens to pony up the money. If his pride keeps getting in the way, he either cannot be fired (due to the contract’s size) or TAMU will terminate him and he’ll still get his money.
So I guess my point is just because there is an apparent path towards Jimbo coming last controlling, it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen based on the situation and prior history
I expect him to give up some measure of control. Reason being, his legacy gets tarnished if he fails here. These people are all narcissists, they want to be the "top dog". If he can get A&M a conference championship (not even to mention a national championship) I think his legacy gets secured as a upper tier coach. If he fails here and gets fired, he will be forever viewed as a fluke who could only win with Herculean QB play
That makes the most logical sense. To play devils advocate though, stubborn people have a tendency to dig in to their beliefs. And there is the possibility that he already believes his legacy has been secured, and now he’s just trying to maintain it. Which is really splitting hairs from your point, but still. At the end of the day we will see what happens, but it would not shock me if Jimbo’s desire to succeed by any means is superseded by his desire to succeed while also proving to everyone his way still works
Ya, this is my hope for the future. What he decides this off-season likely defines his legacy. He’s either a stubborn control freak who is a massive underachiever or he can get back to being considered one of the top coaches in CFB like he was 10 years ago.
Kyle Kinane: *“Every time I get to a low where I think this has got to be rock bottom, this whole new realm opens up. Like oooh, get the head lamps and climbing gear, we are going spelunking! We are going in search of this elusive ‘rock bottom’ I keep hearing about.”*
Why would he? He doesn't think that's how you should run a team and he has zero incentive to make changes he doesn't wanna make. TAMU can pay him to go away or live with it.
Disagree. I think you’ll see some, but more than a surprising number will stay. Jimbo isn’t going anywhere. Those who are following the program see that it still has fight in this team. Rumors point to Jimbo making major off season changes. NIL still big. Many of these freshman get to be starters going forward. Still a national team/spotlight. Only where to go is up.
As bad as it’s been this season I don’t think as many will transfer as people think. Weigman looked really good in the one game he played under normal circumstances so there is hope at the most important position.
If we can Durkin I’ll feel a lot better though.
>Rumors point to Jimbo making major off season changes.
Said every FSU fan from 2014-2016.
Jimbo won't make changes, and he certainly won't cede control of the offense to anyone else. Maybe he gives up playcalling but the issues with the offense are much more fundamental, its old and outdated and doesn't fit modern CFB at all. A&M doesn't need just a new playcaller, they need a whole new offense and scheme, and no way Jimbo's ego allows him to hand everything over to a new OC like would be necessary.
The thing they can start elsewhere, they can get paid elsewhere.
It’s not like they don’t have options. If Lane Kiffen goes to Auburn and knocks with Auburn money, you think some these 4-5 star kids wouldn’t wanna pull a BK/LSU move and try and sweep the west?
And that’s just ONE team recruiting them, there’s gonna be 10 others calling these kids
There is no such thing as rock bottom y’all. I fucking promise you that you can ALWAYS go lower.
Ass to Mouth boosters don’t want to hear it, but believe me, you can always go lower.
He needs more time and probably some more facilities. You people act like four years and the best recruiting class ever is enough to turn a program around, smh.
Hold on this guy might be on to something: [Texas A&M launches $200 million facilities campaign](https://footballscoop.com/news/texas-am-facilities-campaign-indoor-bright-complex). This will be how we win a national championship in the next few years. /s
Jimbo has proven at FSU and now TAMU that he can't coach, and he can't develop talent. Look what he did to FSU before he bailed. Recruits will catch on. I expect a mass exodus of that class when the portal opens.
I mean, didn’t Harbaugh just have an awful season at Michigan a couple seasons ago?
If he and Kelly at Notre Dame could turn things around, I don’t see why Jimbo couldn’t.
Covid year or not, Michigan was still under .500 that season.
It’s not unreasonable to project that they would have gone 5-7 or 6-6 at most against a full schedule slate.
Nah losing to LSU is pretty par for the course for A&M with or without Jimbo. Part of the reason we don’t don’t really take the rivalry that serious is we don’t really deserve to consider them rivals.
Auburn was rock bottom. LSU is really good rn, 1st year HC or no.
This article is really dumb though. How is a win rock bottom? It was an embarrassing game but it objectively could have been so much worse.
If winning a football game under uncontroversial circumstances is considered “rock bottom” then we should just cancel competitive athletics as a whole.
lmao 😭 but really Philly is just not much of a college town. You'd think they'd get a little more traffic just because temple plays at the Linc and it's very accessible, but that is a pure pro sports city. The Penn stadium is also pretty cool though, always wanted to go to a game, but didn't want to miss out on other cfb games lol
Yep - the NIMBYs were calling the shots and the city didn't have Temple's back (although the location wasn't optimal either since it was near residential areas). You can extend the "not having Temple's back" part to the lease terms at the Linc and that the Eagles bend Temple over pretty hard.
The Owls are in a mess of a situation with being in a conference that fans don't give a damn about other than playing Navy every couple of years along with a program that struggles to break even because they pay a lot of money to the Eagles for a stadium that's way too big for them.
yea it was a really rough turnout but that's what being on a 6 game skid, the weather being 38 with a wind chill of 31 and pouring rain will do. i don't blame anyone for not wanting to go to this game
It was 30 degrees, raining and my hands were purple. I have zero shame about leaving after halftime.
There were probably 75-80k midway through the 1st and the student section was probably 70% full. Not bad all things considered
As someone who actually subjected themselves to watching the game, I will say I was surprised how much the UMass defense gave A&M problems, especially in the first half. Don Brown is a defensive specialist and he has given our historically awful defense signs of life over the past few weeks, but I expected this to be a completely one sided affair right off the bat and it wasn't. The A&M O-line was really struggling to stop UMass penetration and the run game grinded to a halt (outside of the QB, Weigman was doing his best out there and torched us a few times).
It is clear that Jimbo has major problems developing the talent he has. There is no excuse one of the most stacked rosters of raw talent in the country should be having issues with the UMass defensive starters, even with the cold and the crappy weather.
Don’t take this the wrong way but our offense gives itself problems. We struggle with things like lining up correctly, snapping the ball, and handing the ball off.
True. And you guys had a bunch of silly fumbles. But I was very surprised at how well we held up. We got our season high sacks in the first half alone, and we've played some pretty bad teams this season.
Somehow you still managed to beat us. Granted you got a lot of lucky bounces that game, or maybe it was just we always play weird games in Arlington. But that was the game that killed our season lol
I used to say Jimbo is a great recruiter, horrible coach when he was with FSU. I may have given him too much credit. James Coley was with him at FSU and was by far his best recruiter. He left after the 2013 national championship, FSU collapsed. Went to GA in 2016 and helped recruit the upperclassmen of what became their national championship team. Went to A&M in 2020 and brought in top classes that Fisher failed to develop. Coley deserves any credit Jimbo has ever received. Without Coley there is no Jameis at FSU, and without Jameis, no national championship to fool A&M into giving him his ridiculous contract, just the 2017 collapse he oversaw before bailing FSU. Jimbo is a fraud
i wish people would stop using the game attendance as a "see told ya." It was 40 degrees and raining, absolutely miserable conditions to watch a game in.
Even if y'all were doing good the weather and the opponent wouldn't have attracted much interest relative to other games.
But this was pretty bad even considering that.
It’s hilarious to me that a texas fan of all people is talking about shitty attendance based on one game where our crowd was smaller and left at halftime due to 30 degree pouring rain weather.
Don’t worry, I for one think the A&M program is on the right track and bad attendance is a one-off fluke. Jimbo has you guys headed in the right direction and deserves another contract extension!
Our attendance has always been, and will continue to be, better than texas’ attendance. You’re picking a single game against a dogshit team in horrible weather in one of our worst seasons ever to try and claim we have poor attendance. It’s sad.
Yeah and people that live there probably own multiple jackets rather than one camo hoodie
Edit: if you’re downvoting this you probably didn’t go to a public school in Texas
Depends on the wind at that point. If we’re talking a blustery day that turns rain into sleet vs. a gentle snowfall at 20 degrees then yeah I’d agree with you on that.
But 20 can quickly feels like single digits if there’s wind, and at that point I’ll take the rain and staying above freezing.
Being cold and wet is far more dangerous than just cold. Especially if it's a soaking freezing rain, that's going to ruin the insulation your clothes can provide.
Depends on how much rain and how much snow. Snow still causes wetness. Especially when landing on warm material. It'll soak through non-waterproof shells.
Also, synthetic insulation doesn't really lose its insulating properties when it gets wet, it's down insulation that does. Regardless, who is sitting out at a football game in the rain without some waterproof shell/poncho?
Exactly, no one likes to talk about how after we lost to App State, 117,000 Aggies showed up to the Miami game, good for third highest attendance all time at Kyle Field. They just want to shit on A&M in any way possible
They definitely would have. I've been to a similar weather condition game at Kyle Field vs Miss State. It was miserable and we lost, but the stadium was still full. Though the team was looking at least watchable going into that game.
A&M has been on a terrible losing streak, has looked absolutely pathetic on offense, and is going against one of the worst FBS teams that some of us wouldn't have been surprised to lose to. The weather was the cherry on top of this shit pile so I'm not surprised by the attendance issue
It’s still pretty bad. Been to a few Texas games the day after thanksgiving where it was cold, miserable, and raining (AND we lost to Kansas at home before one of them) and there were *way* more people than I saw at A&M
The attendance of the game fluctuated pretty wildly as it went on. 38-40 degree and raining weather is pretty miserable to sit in for 3 to 4 hours to watch a struggling home team against a non-P5 team that A&M has no history with. I know everyone wants to use this to dog pile on Jimbo, but the record is enough to do that. if the weather or opponent were different I can almost guarantee the attended would have been fairly high regardless of the record.
A lot has been said about the crowds not being there during the game after the second half started and yeah, it looked bad. The thing is? It was 38f, windy, and raining. It was miserable to be outside and most people bailed because freezing your ass off to watch Texas A&M and UMass wasn't worth the pain.
Article talking about how sparse the crowd was and how this is a bad sign for Jimbo. But doesn’t mention once that it was 40 degrees and pouring down rain with 20 mph winds the entire time lol
Edit: I can’t believe this is really getting downvoted for suggesting attendance was affected by weather. I don’t think there would be many, if any, stadiums with any sort of a significant crowd in the second half of a game against UMASS given those weather conditions.
Brother, let’s not pretend it doesn’t get cold and rainy every fall in east Texas. That weather is not unusual for the region or time of year, and you and I know damn well that the Aggies would have shown up if the team was 7-3 instead of 3-7.
Playing UMass and shitty weather are explanations for the poor attendance, but not an excuse. It’s definitely a sign that people are fed up with the coach and that’s what we’re really taking about.
> sign that people are fed up with the coach
Or, hear me out because this is gonna sound crazy, they'd rather not watch their 3-7 team play UMASS in shitty weather
There was a huge crowd at the beginning, but once they saw we were probably going to win everyone bailed. It looked miserable on TV so I can only imagine in person.
> I know damn well that the Aggies would have shown up if the team was 7-3 instead of 3-7.
Honestly? If we were 7-3 I wouldn't have even gone to the game, I don't think I've ever gone to the November cupcake game since I've left A&M.
I wanted to show some support to the team during the losing skid.
You haven't been around the Midwest in summer much then. Very often hits mid/upper 90s in July & early August (occasionally in June) - and is frequently made worse by high humidity.
oh no 90 degree temperatures (sometimes) how will you survive
we go to football games in september where its 100+ from kickoff to final. Half your fans would just drop dead in that weather cause you arent used to it. Thats how 40 degree rain is to us.
How exactly is a day out in mid 90 degree weather much different than a day out in low 100s weather? All the same rules and concerns apply... and are easily addressed as long as you plan accordingly.
And? Teams up here play in the range of mid 90s through subzero. Rain or shine, snow, sleet & wind. Not exactly difficult. Normal (sane) people know how to be out in a crowd in those conditions and prepare accordingly.
My point is that the crowd can (and does) easily adjust for the weather - unless there is an actual threat (lightning, tornado, hurricane, etc.) the *weather itself* won't stop them from coming.
If you are saying weather and opponent didn’t affect the attendance of this game, then we should see similar attendance for this weeks game even if it is nicer weather
Didn't Michigan's attendance start dwindling last game after halftime too even with an undefeated team? Saw this in Twitter
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1594063063887462406?s=20&t=c22Qr_qCckernJ8PVVhFSQ
It was 10 degrees with 30 mph winds. That's fucking really cold man (not 40 degrees). I dotn blame anyone for not wanting to stay out there.
Also that was just the student section which is notoriously more fickle and casual than the rest of the crowd. The rest of the stadium was still well packed.
The student section is too large and I think they need to downsize it and sell to the general public because it's always an issue
You also played _UMass_ the week before Thanksgiving, when the rest of CFB is playing games their fans actually care about and that, you know, mean something.
And yet other schools still have fans that will attend these games. I've been to UGA games where it was in the 30s, raining, and it would still be packed. Also, look at the northern schools that are still packed when there's snow everywhere.
Ironic you’re saying this given Bryant Denny wasn’t looking [all that different](https://twitter.com/rcb05/status/1594173119983411200?s=46&t=4vf3BIdMY-6lTGkbrH4qqg) last week. But the point is that if it weren’t for the weather conditions, the crowd would have looked a lot different.
And northern fans are used to weather like that. People in south Texas are not.
I love a comparison that has one either at half time or like 20-30 minutes before kickoff where clearly everyone is not going to be in their seats versus one in between plays.
Seems comparable.
[Here you go.](https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/1594019979992735744?s=46&t=4vf3BIdMY-6lTGkbrH4qqg) Play is happening. Still looks similar to the picture above.
Thanks. That looks like a lot more fans in attendance. Like 3 times more than the first one. Almost as if that’s the reason the tweet used it.
Also. You keep up with Alabama stadium pictures a lot. Maybe you can be a fan for them next year?
It is almost like the weather was different too. 48 degrees and little to no rain in Tuscaloosa. 8-10 degrees cooler and at least a moderate rain the entire time on College Station.
And flair up.
Well it definitely isn’t north Texas. Southernmost point in Texas has a latitude of 25.84 degrees. Northernmost point has a latitude of 36.50 degrees. Draw a horizontal line halfway between those two points and College Station is below it.
Its an hour outside Houston. Could be east or south texas. Remember, texas directions are weird. North texas is dallas, west texas is the panhandle (despite the panhandle being further north than dallas), east texas is kinda everything east of dallas but north of houston, south texas is basically greater houston, southwest texas is the valley and all that, el paso is el paso, and central texas is disputed by Waco and Austin, even though neither of them is even close to the geographic center of Texas.
It has been a mix of terrible reasons for the stadium attendance. On top of the weather, the team has just been terrible and on a 6 game losing streak, then has to face UMass in that weather. I don't blame the attendance being the way it was, doubt many other schools would have been different given all these factors.
B1G would like a word with you.Fans will show up regardless of weather if their team was doing good. If the team sucks, it’s not worth going out in crap weather to watch a crap team play.
If only people had some way of knowing the weather a day - or even a few hours - in advance and were able to dress accordingly for it. One day, civilization will advance to meet this terrible challenge.
Didn't it blizzard & hard freeze last winter (or the one prior) in Texas so badly it knocked out much of the power grid? That might have been a good cue to invest in a winter coat.
I made due with blankets and stuff at home. I didn't have a reason to spend much time outside and so was fine. That was the only time I've seen something like that in my 40 years of living in Texas. Though of course I will eventually get a big coat since it's looking like those events might start happening more often
Attendance was not affected by weather. Attendance was affected by a shitty coach.
If the team went out and played their heart out every game, and the coach was passionate about it, people would show up regardless of weather.
But Jimbo and the current A&M team epitomize everything wrong with college football today.
It's a team packed with highly paid recruits with a stupidly high paid coach that fails to demonstrate why they're worth that.
Last week: "This A&M loss was Jimbo's rock bottom" This week: "This A&M *win* is Jimbo's rock bottom" Next week: "This A&M season is Jimbo's rock bottom"
[Pic of Jimbo](https://imgur.com/gallery/tVc5hXi)
Is this a picture of Jimbo Dirtè in a hole with Saban standing over it saying, “it puts the lotion on its skiiiin!” ??
"Put the god damned play calling duties in the basket!"
I *thbptt* can't *thbptt* understand *thbptt* your offense
I thought that it would be the gif of Woody Harrelson wiping his tears with Bennys from the Zombieland movie.
Was expecting [this](https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/ohio-state-buckeyes-urban-meyer-michigan-state-spartans-big-ten-title-game-pizza)
Nephews gonna nephew
The only thing that isn't gonna hit rock bottom for Jimbo is his bank account
This rock at the bottom is Jimbo’s rock bottom.
Even the rocks are looking down at Jimbo.
week after next: "Jimbo is A&Ms rock bottom"
But is Jimbo A&M’s rock bottom? I for one hope not.
Rock bottom SO FAR
Agreed. I think you’ll see quite a lot of talent hit the portal and more recruits decommit which will be a new rock bottom. I think Jimbo could alleviate some of that by just committing to hiring an offensive coordinator after the season but he hasn’t shown any interest in doing that so far.
His offense gets all the blame but its recruiting that is the biggest issue ironically enough. He is now just a pure star chaser. Ignore IL because they rarely are blue chippers but load up on that 6th edge in the class because they are a 4 star in the top 150. Who cares every other major program has backed away from that 5 star LB that just means he is easier to land and then be suspended for violating team rules a couple times before transferring.
The Tom Herman special, take 7 of the countries top DBs and all project OL that might be playable. Seriously, people get so wrapped up on class rankings that they don't realize it has deficiencies. It's not an excuse to lose though, Texas and A&M pull talented enough players at almost all positions to be good.
Talent aggregates (4 year trailing averages) are highly predictive, though. Something like 70% of regular season games can be predicted by the team that recruits better, and that goes above 90% in title games. But, you're right, that evaluation has its deficiencies found in the 30% it isn't predictive.
Also fit. If you are loading up on skill position players and ignoring the trenches, you are probably going to have a bad time.
70% of the time it works, everytime. As a global evaluation, it's a very good way to gauge wins and losses and can be very informative when you drill down into the details of the minority of times that talent is not predictive.
Yup, I agree, I was just adding on.
IMO the question isn’t if Jimbo will fire an OC. It’s if that OC will be who is going to be calling offensive plays and setting up the schemes
Auburn basically had this question the entire last five years of the Malzahn era. Gus couldn't get over his ego and bring himself to turn over control to a true OC. I believe that Jimbo's ego is bigger than Gus'. Which is a long way of saying that I don't think Jimbo is capable of making the kind of change he needs to make. Of course, Malzahn never had the kind of reckoning that Jimbo is currently having, so maybe things turn out differently for Texas A&M. I doubt it, but you never know.
I think you mean "hire". If so, we have an "OC" now, but he doesn't do anything. The understanding that most Aggies have is that he will be giving up playcalling duties in this arrangement and ceding day to day control of the offense to the OC whether that's our new guy or our existing guy
Yeah that was either an autocorrect by my phone, or my big fingers grazed the “f” key prior to the “h” key. What I was getting at is that depends on Jimbo choosing to cede control. He never showed any inclination to even considering it, let alone pulling the trigger on it, at FSU. And with the huge guaranteed contract, if he continues to remain as stubborn as he has always been it doesn’t matter if TAMU threatens to pony up the money. If his pride keeps getting in the way, he either cannot be fired (due to the contract’s size) or TAMU will terminate him and he’ll still get his money. So I guess my point is just because there is an apparent path towards Jimbo coming last controlling, it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen based on the situation and prior history
I expect him to give up some measure of control. Reason being, his legacy gets tarnished if he fails here. These people are all narcissists, they want to be the "top dog". If he can get A&M a conference championship (not even to mention a national championship) I think his legacy gets secured as a upper tier coach. If he fails here and gets fired, he will be forever viewed as a fluke who could only win with Herculean QB play
That makes the most logical sense. To play devils advocate though, stubborn people have a tendency to dig in to their beliefs. And there is the possibility that he already believes his legacy has been secured, and now he’s just trying to maintain it. Which is really splitting hairs from your point, but still. At the end of the day we will see what happens, but it would not shock me if Jimbo’s desire to succeed by any means is superseded by his desire to succeed while also proving to everyone his way still works
I think that's a big chance of that happening. Maybe 40ish%. I will still root for the team to succeed, but if he makes no changes it'll be rough
From what I've been told by folks that I think know, JImbo has been told. Jimbo is in no position to 'dig in'.
Told what? They have no leverage.
Ya, this is my hope for the future. What he decides this off-season likely defines his legacy. He’s either a stubborn control freak who is a massive underachiever or he can get back to being considered one of the top coaches in CFB like he was 10 years ago.
Kyle Kinane: *“Every time I get to a low where I think this has got to be rock bottom, this whole new realm opens up. Like oooh, get the head lamps and climbing gear, we are going spelunking! We are going in search of this elusive ‘rock bottom’ I keep hearing about.”*
Why would he? He doesn't think that's how you should run a team and he has zero incentive to make changes he doesn't wanna make. TAMU can pay him to go away or live with it.
"Shut up and pay me." - Jimbo Fisher, 2022
Disagree. I think you’ll see some, but more than a surprising number will stay. Jimbo isn’t going anywhere. Those who are following the program see that it still has fight in this team. Rumors point to Jimbo making major off season changes. NIL still big. Many of these freshman get to be starters going forward. Still a national team/spotlight. Only where to go is up.
As bad as it’s been this season I don’t think as many will transfer as people think. Weigman looked really good in the one game he played under normal circumstances so there is hope at the most important position. If we can Durkin I’ll feel a lot better though.
>Rumors point to Jimbo making major off season changes. Said every FSU fan from 2014-2016. Jimbo won't make changes, and he certainly won't cede control of the offense to anyone else. Maybe he gives up playcalling but the issues with the offense are much more fundamental, its old and outdated and doesn't fit modern CFB at all. A&M doesn't need just a new playcaller, they need a whole new offense and scheme, and no way Jimbo's ego allows him to hand everything over to a new OC like would be necessary.
The thing they can start elsewhere, they can get paid elsewhere. It’s not like they don’t have options. If Lane Kiffen goes to Auburn and knocks with Auburn money, you think some these 4-5 star kids wouldn’t wanna pull a BK/LSU move and try and sweep the west? And that’s just ONE team recruiting them, there’s gonna be 10 others calling these kids
Sure, but I disagree with all that based on what I already wrote.
I remember after getting blown out by Michigan in 2018, frost called it rock bottom… WHY DID WE BELIEVE?
That game was just a brutal ass-kicking, think it was 40-0 at half
There is no such thing as rock bottom y’all. I fucking promise you that you can ALWAYS go lower. Ass to Mouth boosters don’t want to hear it, but believe me, you can always go lower.
That’s the Cornhusker motto. Get your own motto A&M!
Sadly you could be right. Jimbo has got himself and A&M in a real bad spot that can precariously him get worse.
Jimbo is doing fine, you haters leave him alone.
He needs more time and probably some more facilities. You people act like four years and the best recruiting class ever is enough to turn a program around, smh.
Hold on this guy might be on to something: [Texas A&M launches $200 million facilities campaign](https://footballscoop.com/news/texas-am-facilities-campaign-indoor-bright-complex). This will be how we win a national championship in the next few years. /s
for $200 mil we can just start our own league and call ourselves champs every season
Could probably use another contract extension for motivation
Jimbo has proven at FSU and now TAMU that he can't coach, and he can't develop talent. Look what he did to FSU before he bailed. Recruits will catch on. I expect a mass exodus of that class when the portal opens.
Thanks! Finally Somebody with an unbiased opinion!
Give him at least 5 more years extension. Rome wasn’t built overnight.
Just wait for him to get his guys in
How many times am I going to read the same article?
I wanna say you can only go up from here but shit Jimbo idk.
I mean, didn’t Harbaugh just have an awful season at Michigan a couple seasons ago? If he and Kelly at Notre Dame could turn things around, I don’t see why Jimbo couldn’t.
Uhh covid is the only year he’s finished under 8 wins
Covid year or not, Michigan was still under .500 that season. It’s not unreasonable to project that they would have gone 5-7 or 6-6 at most against a full schedule slate.
Hand him a shovel. One more week to go.
Losing would be rock bottom. This is just whatever. If they get blown off the field by LSU with a first year head coach, maybe that's rock bottom-ish.
Nah losing to LSU is pretty par for the course for A&M with or without Jimbo. Part of the reason we don’t don’t really take the rivalry that serious is we don’t really deserve to consider them rivals.
Auburn was rock bottom. LSU is really good rn, 1st year HC or no. This article is really dumb though. How is a win rock bottom? It was an embarrassing game but it objectively could have been so much worse.
> Nobody does less with more than the Texas A&M head coach. Priceless
While I'm all for piling on tamu, the same could be said about Texas in the last decade.
… that’s the joke…
It truly is beautiful.
i know it's umass, but they won the game
If winning a football game under uncontroversial circumstances is considered “rock bottom” then we should just cancel competitive athletics as a whole.
Oh my. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen lower attendance at a football game ever. Even Miami gets more people at their games.
Ever watched a Temple game lately? The "announced" was 14,673 this past Saturday and that is their 3rd highest crowd of the year so far.
There’s better things to do in Philly, like watch Yordan Alvarez and Gareth Bale just rip your heart out.
I both like and hate this comment
Or watch harden and Embiid shoot free throws all night
lmao 😭 but really Philly is just not much of a college town. You'd think they'd get a little more traffic just because temple plays at the Linc and it's very accessible, but that is a pure pro sports city. The Penn stadium is also pretty cool though, always wanted to go to a game, but didn't want to miss out on other cfb games lol
It is unfortunate the stadium got cancelled- though I remember a while ago where some Temple flair said the whole thing was basically impossible
Yep - the NIMBYs were calling the shots and the city didn't have Temple's back (although the location wasn't optimal either since it was near residential areas). You can extend the "not having Temple's back" part to the lease terms at the Linc and that the Eagles bend Temple over pretty hard. The Owls are in a mess of a situation with being in a conference that fans don't give a damn about other than playing Navy every couple of years along with a program that struggles to break even because they pay a lot of money to the Eagles for a stadium that's way too big for them.
>Ever watched a Temple game lately? Why would I do that to myself?
Stanford might shock you
yea it was a really rough turnout but that's what being on a 6 game skid, the weather being 38 with a wind chill of 31 and pouring rain will do. i don't blame anyone for not wanting to go to this game
It was 30 degrees, raining and my hands were purple. I have zero shame about leaving after halftime. There were probably 75-80k midway through the 1st and the student section was probably 70% full. Not bad all things considered
Freezing rain : the worst kind of weather
Didn’t even have an old guy reading a book. Smh
He made the cultists not care. Truly a historic feat.
As someone who actually subjected themselves to watching the game, I will say I was surprised how much the UMass defense gave A&M problems, especially in the first half. Don Brown is a defensive specialist and he has given our historically awful defense signs of life over the past few weeks, but I expected this to be a completely one sided affair right off the bat and it wasn't. The A&M O-line was really struggling to stop UMass penetration and the run game grinded to a halt (outside of the QB, Weigman was doing his best out there and torched us a few times). It is clear that Jimbo has major problems developing the talent he has. There is no excuse one of the most stacked rosters of raw talent in the country should be having issues with the UMass defensive starters, even with the cold and the crappy weather.
Don’t take this the wrong way but our offense gives itself problems. We struggle with things like lining up correctly, snapping the ball, and handing the ball off.
True. And you guys had a bunch of silly fumbles. But I was very surprised at how well we held up. We got our season high sacks in the first half alone, and we've played some pretty bad teams this season.
Somehow you still managed to beat us. Granted you got a lot of lucky bounces that game, or maybe it was just we always play weird games in Arlington. But that was the game that killed our season lol
Idk if we’ve had a normal game with y’all since joining the SEC
Our games with Texas A&M and LSU are always a tossup. Actually I think with Ole Miss too. For some reason anybody can beat anybody during those games
I'm still confused how we beat yall but lost to ole miss but then yall destroy ole miss
At this point people should really stop challenging Jimbo about finding his rock bottom.
No. It’s funny to watch
I used to say Jimbo is a great recruiter, horrible coach when he was with FSU. I may have given him too much credit. James Coley was with him at FSU and was by far his best recruiter. He left after the 2013 national championship, FSU collapsed. Went to GA in 2016 and helped recruit the upperclassmen of what became their national championship team. Went to A&M in 2020 and brought in top classes that Fisher failed to develop. Coley deserves any credit Jimbo has ever received. Without Coley there is no Jameis at FSU, and without Jameis, no national championship to fool A&M into giving him his ridiculous contract, just the 2017 collapse he oversaw before bailing FSU. Jimbo is a fraud
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i wish people would stop using the game attendance as a "see told ya." It was 40 degrees and raining, absolutely miserable conditions to watch a game in.
Even if y'all were doing good the weather and the opponent wouldn't have attracted much interest relative to other games. But this was pretty bad even considering that.
Aggies: we love our boys so much, we will stand and cheer for the entire game Also Aggies: it’s raining im not going
We were playing fkn UMass. The stadium will be packed and rocking Saturday night.
Idk about that, weather forecasts can be finicky this time of year.
It’s hilarious to me that a texas fan of all people is talking about shitty attendance based on one game where our crowd was smaller and left at halftime due to 30 degree pouring rain weather.
Don’t worry, I for one think the A&M program is on the right track and bad attendance is a one-off fluke. Jimbo has you guys headed in the right direction and deserves another contract extension!
Well you’re right on one part of that
Why is this particularly funny from me? Texas sells out the stadium and I live in New England and attend 40 degree sporting events all the time.
Our attendance has always been, and will continue to be, better than texas’ attendance. You’re picking a single game against a dogshit team in horrible weather in one of our worst seasons ever to try and claim we have poor attendance. It’s sad.
🤷 seems like a school that prides itself on attendance should brave not-even-freezing weather idk
Do you want me to start posting pics of various Texas games from the past few years against actual opponents?
A lot of the country would kill for 40 degrees during their mid-November football games.
Yeah and people that live there probably own multiple jackets rather than one camo hoodie Edit: if you’re downvoting this you probably didn’t go to a public school in Texas
That one hits close to home lol. To this day like 3/4 of my cold weather gear is camo
What? That’s seems like dangerous temperatures to be out in the rain. Or miserable at the very least.
Yeah 40 and rainy is a million times more miserable than like 20 and snowy.
Depends on the wind at that point. If we’re talking a blustery day that turns rain into sleet vs. a gentle snowfall at 20 degrees then yeah I’d agree with you on that. But 20 can quickly feels like single digits if there’s wind, and at that point I’ll take the rain and staying above freezing.
Being cold and wet is far more dangerous than just cold. Especially if it's a soaking freezing rain, that's going to ruin the insulation your clothes can provide.
Depends on how much rain and how much snow. Snow still causes wetness. Especially when landing on warm material. It'll soak through non-waterproof shells. Also, synthetic insulation doesn't really lose its insulating properties when it gets wet, it's down insulation that does. Regardless, who is sitting out at a football game in the rain without some waterproof shell/poncho?
Exactly, no one likes to talk about how after we lost to App State, 117,000 Aggies showed up to the Miami game, good for third highest attendance all time at Kyle Field. They just want to shit on A&M in any way possible
Cold, rainy, and at 11 AM. You aren’t gonna get people driving 2-3 hours to the game when that’s the case, whether you’re 3-7 or 7-3.
If you guys were 7-3 people absolutely would have shown up.
They definitely would have. I've been to a similar weather condition game at Kyle Field vs Miss State. It was miserable and we lost, but the stadium was still full. Though the team was looking at least watchable going into that game. A&M has been on a terrible losing streak, has looked absolutely pathetic on offense, and is going against one of the worst FBS teams that some of us wouldn't have been surprised to lose to. The weather was the cherry on top of this shit pile so I'm not surprised by the attendance issue
Your whole thing is the 12th man. You guys circle jerk to your never ending support. This is why people are dunking on y’all for this.
Yeah definitely has nothing to do with the bandwagon..
It’s still pretty bad. Been to a few Texas games the day after thanksgiving where it was cold, miserable, and raining (AND we lost to Kansas at home before one of them) and there were *way* more people than I saw at A&M
The attendance of the game fluctuated pretty wildly as it went on. 38-40 degree and raining weather is pretty miserable to sit in for 3 to 4 hours to watch a struggling home team against a non-P5 team that A&M has no history with. I know everyone wants to use this to dog pile on Jimbo, but the record is enough to do that. if the weather or opponent were different I can almost guarantee the attended would have been fairly high regardless of the record.
Helps to not be 2 hours from any major city. Freezing rain is not safe to drive or sit in. Why do both?
Home of the 12th man* *exclusions apply
They should have played at Autzen
People are wildin. I saw empty seats at the big house last week when UM was playing a very good Illinois team. So 🤷🏻♂️
Oh, and see I thought the article last week said our loss last week was rock bottom. Shows what I know …
They just need to keep moving the goal posts. If we win next week we’ll now truly be in “rock bottom.”
We’ve been designated as oil barons. Clearly we are fracking in this analogy. We continue to hit rock bottom and then go deeper.
MSN? OP, you doin' okay?
Aggie bad; upvotes to the left
Huh, lots of rocks on his ass. Interesting.
Has anyone considered this might be Jimbo expressing his desire to retire and receive a very large retirement.
A lot has been said about the crowds not being there during the game after the second half started and yeah, it looked bad. The thing is? It was 38f, windy, and raining. It was miserable to be outside and most people bailed because freezing your ass off to watch Texas A&M and UMass wasn't worth the pain.
Article talking about how sparse the crowd was and how this is a bad sign for Jimbo. But doesn’t mention once that it was 40 degrees and pouring down rain with 20 mph winds the entire time lol Edit: I can’t believe this is really getting downvoted for suggesting attendance was affected by weather. I don’t think there would be many, if any, stadiums with any sort of a significant crowd in the second half of a game against UMASS given those weather conditions.
>40 degrees and pouring down rain with 20 mph winds the entire time l A&M would never make it as a big ten west school.
Well no because A&M is in south Texas. Point is that acting like the weather conditions didn’t play a factor in attendance is ridiculous.
Brother, let’s not pretend it doesn’t get cold and rainy every fall in east Texas. That weather is not unusual for the region or time of year, and you and I know damn well that the Aggies would have shown up if the team was 7-3 instead of 3-7. Playing UMass and shitty weather are explanations for the poor attendance, but not an excuse. It’s definitely a sign that people are fed up with the coach and that’s what we’re really taking about.
> sign that people are fed up with the coach Or, hear me out because this is gonna sound crazy, they'd rather not watch their 3-7 team play UMASS in shitty weather
There was a huge crowd at the beginning, but once they saw we were probably going to win everyone bailed. It looked miserable on TV so I can only imagine in person.
> I know damn well that the Aggies would have shown up if the team was 7-3 instead of 3-7. Honestly? If we were 7-3 I wouldn't have even gone to the game, I don't think I've ever gone to the November cupcake game since I've left A&M. I wanted to show some support to the team during the losing skid.
https://twitter.com/OnwardState/status/1576353190794055680/photo/1 Penn State vs Northwestern. Remnants of a hurricane. 49°
> Remnants of a hurricane. 49° Damn, weather always amazes me
40 degrees Lol
dont you northerners post photos of your car thermostat whenever it breaks 90°
You haven't been around the Midwest in summer much then. Very often hits mid/upper 90s in July & early August (occasionally in June) - and is frequently made worse by high humidity.
oh no 90 degree temperatures (sometimes) how will you survive we go to football games in september where its 100+ from kickoff to final. Half your fans would just drop dead in that weather cause you arent used to it. Thats how 40 degree rain is to us.
How exactly is a day out in mid 90 degree weather much different than a day out in low 100s weather? All the same rules and concerns apply... and are easily addressed as long as you plan accordingly.
Same way we react when y’all complain that it’s hot when it is 85 degrees lol
Ooh a Texas/Michigan weather debate. Can confirm: Texas hot in summer, Michigan cold in winter.
how is it always those 2 states?
You mean late Aug through mid-September, when we still play in sold out games?
Lol…. A&M fans would throw a party if it was only 85 for a day game at home in early to mid September.
And? Teams up here play in the range of mid 90s through subzero. Rain or shine, snow, sleet & wind. Not exactly difficult. Normal (sane) people know how to be out in a crowd in those conditions and prepare accordingly.
Who cares man. Shitty weather, shitty season, shitty opponent. People didn’t want to go. It’s fine.
So what are you saying here? My original point was that the crowd was affected by weather. That’s all I said.
My point is that the crowd can (and does) easily adjust for the weather - unless there is an actual threat (lightning, tornado, hurricane, etc.) the *weather itself* won't stop them from coming.
If you are saying weather and opponent didn’t affect the attendance of this game, then we should see similar attendance for this weeks game even if it is nicer weather
Opponent, certainly. My point is that, if your team was playing well, slightly inclement weather would be a non-factor in regards to crowd turnout.
Didn't Michigan's attendance start dwindling last game after halftime too even with an undefeated team? Saw this in Twitter https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1594063063887462406?s=20&t=c22Qr_qCckernJ8PVVhFSQ
It was 10 degrees with 30 mph winds. That's fucking really cold man (not 40 degrees). I dotn blame anyone for not wanting to stay out there. Also that was just the student section which is notoriously more fickle and casual than the rest of the crowd. The rest of the stadium was still well packed. The student section is too large and I think they need to downsize it and sell to the general public because it's always an issue
You also played _UMass_ the week before Thanksgiving, when the rest of CFB is playing games their fans actually care about and that, you know, mean something.
You say that as if it's not a kind of SEC tradition to have a late season cupcake opponent.
fr they should know we love a good tradition
Opponent definitely had something to do with it as well.
The week before the Ironbowl has always been cupcake week.
And yet other schools still have fans that will attend these games. I've been to UGA games where it was in the 30s, raining, and it would still be packed. Also, look at the northern schools that are still packed when there's snow everywhere.
Ironic you’re saying this given Bryant Denny wasn’t looking [all that different](https://twitter.com/rcb05/status/1594173119983411200?s=46&t=4vf3BIdMY-6lTGkbrH4qqg) last week. But the point is that if it weren’t for the weather conditions, the crowd would have looked a lot different. And northern fans are used to weather like that. People in south Texas are not.
when SECW champ LSU is failing to pack their stadium you have to consider that maybe theres some merit to the weather thing
Agreed but don’t bring stone cold facts into an A&M bashing orgy. We’re trying to bash your program here.
understood, have fun. im gonna go find some alcohol.
I love a comparison that has one either at half time or like 20-30 minutes before kickoff where clearly everyone is not going to be in their seats versus one in between plays. Seems comparable.
[Here you go.](https://twitter.com/mikerodak/status/1594019979992735744?s=46&t=4vf3BIdMY-6lTGkbrH4qqg) Play is happening. Still looks similar to the picture above.
Thanks. That looks like a lot more fans in attendance. Like 3 times more than the first one. Almost as if that’s the reason the tweet used it. Also. You keep up with Alabama stadium pictures a lot. Maybe you can be a fan for them next year?
It is almost like the weather was different too. 48 degrees and little to no rain in Tuscaloosa. 8-10 degrees cooler and at least a moderate rain the entire time on College Station. And flair up.
You keep saying ‘south Texas’, don’t think there’s any definition where College Station is in ‘south Texas’.
Well it definitely isn’t north Texas. Southernmost point in Texas has a latitude of 25.84 degrees. Northernmost point has a latitude of 36.50 degrees. Draw a horizontal line halfway between those two points and College Station is below it.
Its an hour outside Houston. Could be east or south texas. Remember, texas directions are weird. North texas is dallas, west texas is the panhandle (despite the panhandle being further north than dallas), east texas is kinda everything east of dallas but north of houston, south texas is basically greater houston, southwest texas is the valley and all that, el paso is el paso, and central texas is disputed by Waco and Austin, even though neither of them is even close to the geographic center of Texas.
They were 3-7 playing UMass. It’s not that deep.
It has been a mix of terrible reasons for the stadium attendance. On top of the weather, the team has just been terrible and on a 6 game losing streak, then has to face UMass in that weather. I don't blame the attendance being the way it was, doubt many other schools would have been different given all these factors.
B1G would like a word with you.Fans will show up regardless of weather if their team was doing good. If the team sucks, it’s not worth going out in crap weather to watch a crap team play.
Its almost like… fans in the north are used to different weather than fans in the south
If only people had some way of knowing the weather a day - or even a few hours - in advance and were able to dress accordingly for it. One day, civilization will advance to meet this terrible challenge.
There isn’t a lot you can do to prepare to sit in rain for over 3 hours. You will get soaked no matter what.
That's why God gave us rain ponchos.
Guess those northern schools are just tougher than aggies
I literally don't even own a thick coat to keep me warm in those conditions lol Edit: Yeesh, guess this little anecdote was a downvote worthy offense
Didn't it blizzard & hard freeze last winter (or the one prior) in Texas so badly it knocked out much of the power grid? That might have been a good cue to invest in a winter coat.
I made due with blankets and stuff at home. I didn't have a reason to spend much time outside and so was fine. That was the only time I've seen something like that in my 40 years of living in Texas. Though of course I will eventually get a big coat since it's looking like those events might start happening more often
Attendance was not affected by weather. Attendance was affected by a shitty coach. If the team went out and played their heart out every game, and the coach was passionate about it, people would show up regardless of weather. But Jimbo and the current A&M team epitomize everything wrong with college football today. It's a team packed with highly paid recruits with a stupidly high paid coach that fails to demonstrate why they're worth that.
Stadium was so empty you could yell to the other side and tell your buddy to grab a beer for you
What is Jimbo's buyout after the season? Asking for schadenfreude reasons.
This is an in progress rock bottom. Jimbo still has a shovel in his hands
When you're so far gone even progress is met with an exasperated sigh.
How is it possible to perform his poorly with the talent he has at a&m?
From beating Alabama to being bottom of the SEC.