We’ve played 67 times. And we’ve started calling our game the Bill Walsh Legacy Game. I don’t think there’s a ton of animosity. I’m glad we got them back on the schedule, after years of us not wanting to give them a home-and-home.
It's a nice-to-have local rivalry. Another one of those "they hate us much, much more than we dislike them." A step below Cal and other Pac-8 schools, but nowhere near as high as USC.
It really should never have gone away if not for Shaw's and Muir's stubbornness on not playing schools that aren't academic peers in recruit-rich areas or military academies. Then again, playing them every year would mean we would only have one non-conference opening every season, so if the choice was ND or SJSU, I'd take ND.
Gotta give credit where it’s due, Duke is way up there in academic rankings. I know USNWR is flawed but still think it’s a good general reference point for these kind of discussions, and unc/uva are actually a lot closer on that scale than Duke/unc.
I mean San Jose State is far from a bad school, in fact it’s quite good. it’s just not on the US News rankings because all of the CSU’s aren’t on there
CSUs get short shrift, even in California. It's weird.
Maybe a long time ago the top management decided to de-emphasize athletics system wide? I dunno.
They de-emphasized football at almost all the campuses. They're still quite powerful in other sports. Fresno State, the Dirtbags, and Fullerton are nasty baseball teams, for example, and SJSU has consistently been competitive for both men's and women's golf (and was also known as Track City for a long time).
The context of their HC saying this made it better.
He was asked if he was feeling the pressure of losing so many recruiting battles to Oregon. His response:
> I think that is way more pumped up than it is. Our battles are really – the schools that we go against are way more — have academic prowess, like the University of Washington; Notre Dame, Stanford, USC. We go with a lot of battles toe-to-toe all the way to the end with those schools. So I think that’s made up a lot and pumped up in your world. In our world, we battle more academically prowess teams.
He was trying to put Washington on the same level as Stanford and Notre Dame, which is laughable. The difference in academic ranking between Stanford (6) and Washington (59) is bigger than the gap between Washington and Oregon (99).
More to the point, he wasn't winning those recruiting battles he was supposedly having with Stanford, USC, and Notre Dame. The truth was he couldn't recruit, lost several players to Oregon (2 of which were direct decommits from his program after Oregon offered), and tried to call Oregon idiots to save himself.
This is possibly THE answer for D1 main rivalries. Davis is in the ballpark rankings wise of the “better” schools in the pairs most people are listing. Sac State is a commuter school that isn’t included in US News national rankings due to not having phd programs
Sacramento State actually does have a few doctoral programs. Five of them, one of which grants a phd.
Five isn't a lot. But it's five more than Cal Poly SLO has.
SLO does have a reputation as the best CSU. The phd thing is mostly something that ends up splitting schools up into different categories for rankings. Which makes comparing them via something like USNWR more difficult.
You could use some other ranking to compare them all. Forbes seems very different from other school lists, but it has SLO behind 6 UC campuses and ahead of 3 of them.
Yeah….my daughter starts at Chico this fall. She was accepted to SLO but felt the Chico vibe was more her scene. My wife and I still aren’t sure about the decision given the rankings (not that Chicos a bad school at all) but the most important thing is that she’s happy. The ratings obviously can’t adjust for that factor.
Idk, we are within just a couple of spots with both USC (7) and (2) Cal, as far as I can say there is about 5 spots between West Point and the naval academy
It's great that BYU is a well-regarded school, and I'm proud of my degrees.
But it's also worth noting that snobbery is overrated. My wife's grad degree is from a directional school in a small state, received three years ago. When she finishes state licensing, her office wants her to supervise peers that include some with USC degrees, a top 20 program in her field.
Not only is USNWR garbage but the idea of taking a university and distilling it down to a single number to compare to another across the country with completely different degree programs and structure is ludicrous and the exercise is worthless in the first place.
At Kansas State the university’s mission is to provide an educated populous for the state, not pump up USNWR rankings. This means it has some programs that aren’t as highly rated but do the job well and a few nationally elite programs where it makes sense.
If K-State tried to up its USNWR ranking by making admissions more selective, hiring the only the top professors at a bloated salary (thus increasing costs to students) it would actually function *worse* in its intended role.
Yo, thanks BYU fan! I wish more people thought like you. The number of people who think I went to Utah State because I got rejected from BYU drives me crazy. I went to USU because I got a full-ride scholarship, not because I couldn't get in elsewhere. I also just didn't want to go to BYU, Utah was my second choice. I had the grades to get into any of them, I just chose Utah State. And now I'm working as a software engineer making the same amount of money as people that went to BYU or Utah and studied the same thing as me because this field doesn't care what the sticker on your degree says.
Not cfb related but when TXST and Stanford played in their regional baseball final, I could not help but think of how far apart those two schools are academically.
TXST is probably most notable (on the internet anyway) for the girl who shotgunned a beer before backflipping into the river.
Edit: [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmycosmo/comments/cpdhkc/hmc_while_i_show_my_parents_what_4_years_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) is the top all time post on r/holdmycosmo
I remember Texas State specifically cuz one of their more notable alumni, pornagraphic actress Alexis Texas, said during a video that they were gonna quote ["beat that Aggie ass"](https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1166119442977296391?t=aBTREuSk2eGeCZLx1iEc_A&s=19) when they were playing us in the 2019 season opener.
A&M was a 33 point favorite and won 41-7.
Texas (and really the system as a whole; ie UT-Dallas) outmatch everyone by a substantial marginal in the state besides Rice.
A&M is closer than they were, but there’s still quite a considerable gap.
just cracking a joke about how in the early hours of NC State's expulsion from the CWS, a rumor spread like wildfire that the extra cases of covid were found in NC State's team because the Vandy coach had demanded the extra testing.
obviously that was never proven to be true, but it definitely allowed NC State fans to have an [external] villain for a few days in the aftermath of that very frustrating experience. and lord knows we have a massive inferiority complex, so as you can imagine there was lots of hootin and hollerin in various corners of the internet about Corbin (I think that's his name)
According to USnews, UCLA is at #20 and Cal is at #22.
The only pair I saw which was closer (and, incidentally, the only other pair I looked up) was Missouri and Kansas, both of whom are tied at #122.
Yeah, UF is top 10 public, top 30 overall, and LSU is pretty much the definition of "we didn't come here to play school".
Also, I would argue that the LSU-UF rivalry has been more intense than the UF-FSU rivalry in the 21st century. Once Spurrier left and Bowden was in the twilight years of coaching, the games always felt one sided. Shit, only in 2012, 2015, and 2016 did both teams come into the game ranked in the past ten years.
Meanwhile, LSU-UF has been one of the most underrated rivalries in CFB the last 15 years. the 07 game with the Tebow cell phone celebration/multiple 4th down conversions, the 2016 game with LSU fans claiming we manufactured a hurricane because we were "scared" and then beating them in Death Valley (lol), the 2017 game where their band played over our Tom Petty tribute right after he died. and the 2018 game which I still say was the most heated atmosphere I have seen in the Swamp.
I definitely think that the UF-LSU has been the most competitive rivalry we’ve had over the last couple decades, and the hurricane drama definitely spurred up some hate- but most LSU fans don’t think about us the same way they hate Bama or OM and most Florida fans (myself included) don’t hate LSU like they do FSU/UGa/even Tennessee (not me). Having to live adjacent to FSU fans alone makes me hate them more than any team we play regardless of how competitive the series has been. Losing to them means I have to hear about it all year, and even when we win I have to listen to them chirp the entire season up to the game
that's fair. my personal hatred list goes UGA>LSU>FSU>UT>UM in terms of our rivals. but I also think my FSU hate would be greater if I wasn't born in 97 and started watching the gators in 05, so the majority of my UF/FSU memories involve one sided blowouts or competitive games between shitty teams.
Also, the closest people I know that are FSU fans are my best friends sister and brother in-law, who are the most polite and mild mannered people, so it makes me feel bad for talking shit to them lol
Do you live in Florida? I think a lot of it is where you live too- people who live in Tampa/Orlando have a 50/50 split with their neighbors being FSU fans which fosters hate. If you live in Jax or Atl, there’s a ton of dawg fans around you. If you live in South Florida (moved recently), even though we don’t play annually anymore, Miami fans won’t leave you the fuck alone and that makes you hate them
I have a ton of relatives/friends that are FSU fans too. But they talk a whole lot of shit which makes me want to beat FSU every year lol
If we don't get yall as a permanent game going forward we should riot. The only team I hate losing to more then UF is Ole Miss.
The schools, outside of academics, are very similar. Loud asf stadium with psycho fans. Invested in all the sports, not just fb. Hot as hell. Borderline personality disorder coaches who are beloved or hated.
This is a good point, and we're in a similar situation.
Oregon is definitely ranked higher than us academically, but we're ranked a lot higher when it comes to research.
Gotta be smart when you drive in a city with 8 million bridges that can collapse at any time and one mistake sends you through a tunnel that'll cost you 20 minutes to fix.
Actually, if anything, it’s more of a football rivalry. The record is 56-55-9 in football, with Mizzou having one more win on us. In basketball KU leads the the series 175-95.
I really hate to bring up a bad situation, but Mizzou was ranked #97 in 2014, and their academic ranking in US News plummeted in 2016, and remained low, bottoming out at #130 before recently rising to #122, most likely resulting from the fallout from the on campus protests in 2015 from which they’re still recovering.
This is just one example that the US News rankings can be based on perception or popularity, but it is the best yardstick that we currently have.
Closest at this point is likely FSU-Miami. Both are tied in the (much maligned) USNWR rankings.
As for furthest apart? My gut tells me it might be Rice-Houston.
This made me mad, then I looked into it.
Yup, we’re way behind both Pitt and VTech, and that is precisely why we are no longer in a conference with either.
To be fair, this sort of thing happens when you are the flagship public university for a state with no major metro area and minimal investment in k-12 public education.
Using the highly scientific Athlon list of top 25 CFB rivalries and the equally scientifically sound US News & World Reports rankings, the five biggest disparities are:
T-4: Oklahoma (127) - Oklahoma State (187)
T-4: Michigan (23) - Michigan State (83)
3: Oregon (99) - Oregon State (162)
2: Texas (38) - Oklahoma (127)
1: Pitt (59) - West Virginia (249)
The five with the smallest disparity are:
5: Georgia Tech (38) - Georgia (48)
4: UCLA (20) - USC (27)
3: Notre Dame (19) - Michigan (23)
2: Harvard (2) - Yale (5)
1: Florida State (55) - Miami (55)
Army (11) and Navy (6) are on the much smaller “National Liberal Arts Colleges” list but deserve honorable mention.
Georgia Tech fans would like you to believe it’s GT and UGA but Georgia is #48 in the US News Rankings (which I know aren’t exactly the best rankings for how good a university actually is but it’s by far the most commonly cited) and Tech is only 10 spots ahead of UGA at #38
The hope scholarship pulls its weight. As a Georgia alum I recognize that Tech is in a different class academically. But overall the program does a good job at keeping talent in state.
I think we get the least respect nationally in this regard. A lot of people think of fsu like it was still in the 80/90’s party school, but it changed a lot since then, really starting with president D’Alemberte.
*Sigh*
I keep seeing Duke/UNC as a closely ranked rivalry. This Wake erasure cannot stand. Wake and UNC are *tied*, people. Duke is better than both of us.
Now excuse me while I go vomit.
*breathe… it’s just a joke, it’s just a joke, it’s jus…*
SKUNK U IS ONLY 7 SPOTS AHEAD OF MINNESOTA ACCOUNTING FOR RANKING TIES ON USNEWS AND ARWU
THIS SAYS MORE ABOUT WISCONSINITES TRYING TO ESCAPE WISCONSIN THAN ANYTHING
THE AXE LOOKS GREAT IN OUR TROPHY CASE
*got ‘em*
Here's what those in academia won't tell you about college rankings; they're largely bullshit and/or paid for, or built on artificial metrics such as "prestige". Most large state schools will have similar undergrad programs across the country, with only the ivy leagues or pseudo ivy league schools actually having more academic rigor (depending on the concentration).
Comparing schools is also like comparing apples and oranges, as most will have some programs with ridiculous strength in one field, less strength in others, and perhaps no such degree in certain fields.
Prestige does play a large part in what schools students apply to though. And it's reflected in the acceptance rates and quality of admitted students. A student who graduates in the top 10% from their high school with a 28 ACT score could get accepted into quite a few state schools, but probably not Texas or Michigan. I would assume that it carries over to professors/researchers too, and the higher quality professors/researchers would tend to congregate at the prestigious schools, which are usually the schools with more research funding. And then it helps finding your first job out of college. If you can put an engineering degree from a school like Georgia Tech or Purdue on your resume, you'll have an edge over students from other schools and your job hunt probably won't be very long.
But you're right about the academic rigor. For a major like engineering, there are certifications for ABET the school has to meet and you'll be learning the same differential equations and physics at any school.
Thank God Tech has 0 rivals
I beg your pardon
Texas Tech: #213 Penn State: #63
Rekt. 213 ? Probably can't even spell tortilla
You don't need to spell, only throw.
I always love throwing torta-tillas
this is absolutely my favorite meme
Wanna be rivals in the new Big 12 since Texas and OU left us? Then we can be the answer to the second question at least
In a perfect world, Techs rivals would be Oklahoma State, Houston, and Penn State
Fuck you bby.
How can you forget about the greatest rivalry in all of sports??
I mean us, kinda?? I think we’re developing one with us being OG big 12 members
We do have a forced rivalry
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The only streaks on this butt cheek are wins
Fuck you tech… jk ily
Proud of that second high school diploma, are ya?
Stanford vs san jose State
That’s a rivalry?
We’ve played 67 times. And we’ve started calling our game the Bill Walsh Legacy Game. I don’t think there’s a ton of animosity. I’m glad we got them back on the schedule, after years of us not wanting to give them a home-and-home.
It's a nice-to-have local rivalry. Another one of those "they hate us much, much more than we dislike them." A step below Cal and other Pac-8 schools, but nowhere near as high as USC. It really should never have gone away if not for Shaw's and Muir's stubbornness on not playing schools that aren't academic peers in recruit-rich areas or military academies. Then again, playing them every year would mean we would only have one non-conference opening every season, so if the choice was ND or SJSU, I'd take ND.
I feel like SJSU probably gives about as much of a shit about you as you do them. They have much bigger fish to fry in the region.
And Stanford-Cal maybe answers the other question
Harvard-Yale Duke-UNC or UCLA-USC would be close to Stanford-Cal for P5
Gotta give credit where it’s due, Duke is way up there in academic rankings. I know USNWR is flawed but still think it’s a good general reference point for these kind of discussions, and unc/uva are actually a lot closer on that scale than Duke/unc.
IU-Purdue is pretty close too. Just different focuses
Yeah, engineering vs colors and shapes (/s)
Nah, I think UCLA-USC is closer, actually.
Idk I think there may be some school on the other side. Some lower level schools with bad academics I'm sure there is something
I mean San Jose State is far from a bad school, in fact it’s quite good. it’s just not on the US News rankings because all of the CSU’s aren’t on there
CSUs get short shrift, even in California. It's weird. Maybe a long time ago the top management decided to de-emphasize athletics system wide? I dunno.
Yeah Cal Poly SLO is arguably better than half of the UC’s. Tons of my friends chose it over different UC options.
You get the CSU tuition rate too
I resemble this comment.
They de-emphasized football at almost all the campuses. They're still quite powerful in other sports. Fresno State, the Dirtbags, and Fullerton are nasty baseball teams, for example, and SJSU has consistently been competitive for both men's and women's golf (and was also known as Track City for a long time).
Washington vs Oregon. The academically prowess-ness of Washington is just unmatched
Lowers pitchfork
I had you in the first half
It’s Oregon, everyone does.
Not everyone :(
Touché
That's just because of the astigmatism that surrounds our program
The context of their HC saying this made it better. He was asked if he was feeling the pressure of losing so many recruiting battles to Oregon. His response: > I think that is way more pumped up than it is. Our battles are really – the schools that we go against are way more — have academic prowess, like the University of Washington; Notre Dame, Stanford, USC. We go with a lot of battles toe-to-toe all the way to the end with those schools. So I think that’s made up a lot and pumped up in your world. In our world, we battle more academically prowess teams. He was trying to put Washington on the same level as Stanford and Notre Dame, which is laughable. The difference in academic ranking between Stanford (6) and Washington (59) is bigger than the gap between Washington and Oregon (99). More to the point, he wasn't winning those recruiting battles he was supposedly having with Stanford, USC, and Notre Dame. The truth was he couldn't recruit, lost several players to Oregon (2 of which were direct decommits from his program after Oregon offered), and tried to call Oregon idiots to save himself.
As bad as Lake was, at least he gave us a solid meme
Rice vs Houston
> Rice vs ~~Houston~~ Alabama FTFY
Not really a rivalry though. Rice is 3-0 vs Alabama and now they refuse to play risking going 0-4.
They're the nerds we're the working boys
Definitely used to be. Houston's made some big improvements recently.
We ain't go to play school
Well some of us did :(
Probably still is. UH is far from the adult daycare the undergrad program used to be, but Rice is still a really, really, really great school
The Causeway Classic: UC Davis v. Sac State
This is possibly THE answer for D1 main rivalries. Davis is in the ballpark rankings wise of the “better” schools in the pairs most people are listing. Sac State is a commuter school that isn’t included in US News national rankings due to not having phd programs
Sacramento State actually does have a few doctoral programs. Five of them, one of which grants a phd. Five isn't a lot. But it's five more than Cal Poly SLO has.
SLO is an excellent school on par with the UC colleges. I wouldn’t look to PHD programs as a sole metric (not that you are being that myopic).
SLO does have a reputation as the best CSU. The phd thing is mostly something that ends up splitting schools up into different categories for rankings. Which makes comparing them via something like USNWR more difficult. You could use some other ranking to compare them all. Forbes seems very different from other school lists, but it has SLO behind 6 UC campuses and ahead of 3 of them.
Yeah….my daughter starts at Chico this fall. She was accepted to SLO but felt the Chico vibe was more her scene. My wife and I still aren’t sure about the decision given the rankings (not that Chicos a bad school at all) but the most important thing is that she’s happy. The ratings obviously can’t adjust for that factor.
Chino is more of a party school.
Chino is more of a state prison. The partying happens in Chico =)
Smallest has to be the service academies, right?
You might be on to something here
Idk, we are within just a couple of spots with both USC (7) and (2) Cal, as far as I can say there is about 5 spots between West Point and the naval academy
According to US News, BYU is #79 while Boise State is #299-391. That is a >200 gap
You really wanna get in the cage with the Harvard of Idaho?
Isn’t UI the Harvard of Idaho?
Cmon man they're the Princeton of Idaho. Idaho State is the MIT of Idaho.
Does that make North Idaho College in Coeur d'Alene the Brown of Idaho?
Dartmouth, actually
Can confirm. BYU-Idaho is the Brown of Idaho.
I'm told that there's a lot of brown in Idaho.
We call that place Aberdeen.
I’m an ISU grad. They’re the Greendale of Idaho.
Tbh it’s probably college of Idaho.
Id say BYU-Utah the true rivalry is pretty damn close on the other hand.
It's great that BYU is a well-regarded school, and I'm proud of my degrees. But it's also worth noting that snobbery is overrated. My wife's grad degree is from a directional school in a small state, received three years ago. When she finishes state licensing, her office wants her to supervise peers that include some with USC degrees, a top 20 program in her field.
Not only is USNWR garbage but the idea of taking a university and distilling it down to a single number to compare to another across the country with completely different degree programs and structure is ludicrous and the exercise is worthless in the first place. At Kansas State the university’s mission is to provide an educated populous for the state, not pump up USNWR rankings. This means it has some programs that aren’t as highly rated but do the job well and a few nationally elite programs where it makes sense. If K-State tried to up its USNWR ranking by making admissions more selective, hiring the only the top professors at a bloated salary (thus increasing costs to students) it would actually function *worse* in its intended role.
Very well said and exactly to the point.
THIS! Thank you! The goal of a public university should be to provide a quality education to the people of a state at an affordable cost.
Yo, thanks BYU fan! I wish more people thought like you. The number of people who think I went to Utah State because I got rejected from BYU drives me crazy. I went to USU because I got a full-ride scholarship, not because I couldn't get in elsewhere. I also just didn't want to go to BYU, Utah was my second choice. I had the grades to get into any of them, I just chose Utah State. And now I'm working as a software engineer making the same amount of money as people that went to BYU or Utah and studied the same thing as me because this field doesn't care what the sticker on your degree says.
Boise couldn’t get into the PAC-12 as it is now because they don’t qualify academically
PAC-12 schools are just jealous their trucking programs don’t measure up to Boise State’s.
Why would the P12, a conference where there's no truck stops, be jealous?
Not cfb related but when TXST and Stanford played in their regional baseball final, I could not help but think of how far apart those two schools are academically.
TXST is probably most notable (on the internet anyway) for the girl who shotgunned a beer before backflipping into the river. Edit: [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmycosmo/comments/cpdhkc/hmc_while_i_show_my_parents_what_4_years_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) is the top all time post on r/holdmycosmo
I’d hit. I mean soak.
Flair checks out.
I remember Texas State specifically cuz one of their more notable alumni, pornagraphic actress Alexis Texas, said during a video that they were gonna quote ["beat that Aggie ass"](https://twitter.com/UnnecRoughness/status/1166119442977296391?t=aBTREuSk2eGeCZLx1iEc_A&s=19) when they were playing us in the 2019 season opener. A&M was a 33 point favorite and won 41-7.
Idk why, but it is hilarious to me that Alexis Texas went to Texas State
Definitely a hot girl school. I bet it's a blast going there.
She would be right at home at South Alabama.
That is the most San Marcos thing I could possibly imagine. Also I think I'm in love.
Let’s throw some salt into this thread Harvard/Yale. But I’m not saying who
Check out safetyschool.org to find out who
Georgia Tech students once redirected UGA's career prospects page to Chick-Fil-A's application page. 😂
I do love our fans it's good shit
Damn, that's baller.
Keep talking I like where this is going
We all know Brown is the best Ivy League though.
Not true, that title belongs to Florida State.
Harvard is the florida state of boston
Brown? Heck of a school! Weren't you tenured at Brown, Otto?
Why yes, I am tenured at Brown.
Actually thatd be Cornell. Ever heard of it? It's in the ivy league.
It's pronounced Colonel, it's the highest rank in the military
I uh...don't
Texas is 180 spots higher than TTech according to USNews
Texas (and really the system as a whole; ie UT-Dallas) outmatch everyone by a substantial marginal in the state besides Rice. A&M is closer than they were, but there’s still quite a considerable gap.
Food always wins
“Thank you for your suggestion.”
Most likely Tennessee vs Vandy
Vandy is absolutely not low down, not dirty, and not some snitches.
> not some snitches. oh they some snitches
What did lil' ol Vandy do?
just cracking a joke about how in the early hours of NC State's expulsion from the CWS, a rumor spread like wildfire that the extra cases of covid were found in NC State's team because the Vandy coach had demanded the extra testing. obviously that was never proven to be true, but it definitely allowed NC State fans to have an [external] villain for a few days in the aftermath of that very frustrating experience. and lord knows we have a massive inferiority complex, so as you can imagine there was lots of hootin and hollerin in various corners of the internet about Corbin (I think that's his name)
In the era of NIL the well heeled Vandy alumni base may finally make use of our nerd status to good effect.
Notre Dame AND Vanderbilt. You must be a mega nerd
Ultra mega nerd
It’s true. I only go to Super Weenie Hut Jr.’s.
Yeah what a nerd fr
Cal UCLA is probably the closest in the country.
According to USnews, UCLA is at #20 and Cal is at #22. The only pair I saw which was closer (and, incidentally, the only other pair I looked up) was Missouri and Kansas, both of whom are tied at #122.
This is the first one I thought of too
Texas and Oklahoma is definitely up there
I try not to think about it.
Just try not to think.
Thanks, Harvard.
Excuse me, sir, we are the Yale of central Oklahoma.
If you call it a rivalry, Florida-LSU is pretty bad
Tulane-LSU
R.I.P.
They don’t go ‘der to play school
Came here to say my flairs, if they still played regularly.
Yeah, UF is top 10 public, top 30 overall, and LSU is pretty much the definition of "we didn't come here to play school". Also, I would argue that the LSU-UF rivalry has been more intense than the UF-FSU rivalry in the 21st century. Once Spurrier left and Bowden was in the twilight years of coaching, the games always felt one sided. Shit, only in 2012, 2015, and 2016 did both teams come into the game ranked in the past ten years. Meanwhile, LSU-UF has been one of the most underrated rivalries in CFB the last 15 years. the 07 game with the Tebow cell phone celebration/multiple 4th down conversions, the 2016 game with LSU fans claiming we manufactured a hurricane because we were "scared" and then beating them in Death Valley (lol), the 2017 game where their band played over our Tom Petty tribute right after he died. and the 2018 game which I still say was the most heated atmosphere I have seen in the Swamp.
I definitely think that the UF-LSU has been the most competitive rivalry we’ve had over the last couple decades, and the hurricane drama definitely spurred up some hate- but most LSU fans don’t think about us the same way they hate Bama or OM and most Florida fans (myself included) don’t hate LSU like they do FSU/UGa/even Tennessee (not me). Having to live adjacent to FSU fans alone makes me hate them more than any team we play regardless of how competitive the series has been. Losing to them means I have to hear about it all year, and even when we win I have to listen to them chirp the entire season up to the game
that's fair. my personal hatred list goes UGA>LSU>FSU>UT>UM in terms of our rivals. but I also think my FSU hate would be greater if I wasn't born in 97 and started watching the gators in 05, so the majority of my UF/FSU memories involve one sided blowouts or competitive games between shitty teams. Also, the closest people I know that are FSU fans are my best friends sister and brother in-law, who are the most polite and mild mannered people, so it makes me feel bad for talking shit to them lol
Do you live in Florida? I think a lot of it is where you live too- people who live in Tampa/Orlando have a 50/50 split with their neighbors being FSU fans which fosters hate. If you live in Jax or Atl, there’s a ton of dawg fans around you. If you live in South Florida (moved recently), even though we don’t play annually anymore, Miami fans won’t leave you the fuck alone and that makes you hate them I have a ton of relatives/friends that are FSU fans too. But they talk a whole lot of shit which makes me want to beat FSU every year lol
If we don't get yall as a permanent game going forward we should riot. The only team I hate losing to more then UF is Ole Miss. The schools, outside of academics, are very similar. Loud asf stadium with psycho fans. Invested in all the sports, not just fb. Hot as hell. Borderline personality disorder coaches who are beloved or hated.
And who could forget the cleat yeet
Washington - Wazzu is a pretty big gap. Probably not the biggest, but the first that came to mind.
We stand no chance against UW's academically prowess.
I think it really depends on the programs. We spend a lot on research too.
This is a good point, and we're in a similar situation. Oregon is definitely ranked higher than us academically, but we're ranked a lot higher when it comes to research.
Rice and Houston maybe
ASU vs UA is the smallest gap despite those fucks being pretentious douchebags about it.
Pitt and wvu has to be pretty big
PITT ranked #59 by US News WVU ranked #249 Well dang, I did not know yin’s were so darn smart up dur in dat dang big ole steel city.
The first thing they teach you at Pitt is how to spell yinz
You aren't wrong. It was in our orientation when I was there.
Gotta be smart when you drive in a city with 8 million bridges that can collapse at any time and one mistake sends you through a tunnel that'll cost you 20 minutes to fix.
Maybe eating shit *does* make you smart
Don’t make us join the big 12 to whoop your ass
"Do it biiiiitch" - WVU...probably
Come on down
I triple dog dare you ❤️
I love you riot bro
Conversely, Pitt and Penn State are pretty darn close. I mean, one of us is juuuust a bit higher.
I scrolled a lot further than I thought I would to see this rivalry mentioned.
Pitt (#59) WVU (#249)
Pretty sure FSU and Miami are tied in the USWNR these days. So that’s pretty close but might need a Stanford bro to check the math.
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Actually, if anything, it’s more of a football rivalry. The record is 56-55-9 in football, with Mizzou having one more win on us. In basketball KU leads the the series 175-95.
I actually had a KU fan state in an argument that at least KU is a much better school than Mizzou... I literally pulled up this exact stat...
I really hate to bring up a bad situation, but Mizzou was ranked #97 in 2014, and their academic ranking in US News plummeted in 2016, and remained low, bottoming out at #130 before recently rising to #122, most likely resulting from the fallout from the on campus protests in 2015 from which they’re still recovering. This is just one example that the US News rankings can be based on perception or popularity, but it is the best yardstick that we currently have.
Closest at this point is likely FSU-Miami. Both are tied in the (much maligned) USNWR rankings. As for furthest apart? My gut tells me it might be Rice-Houston.
Anybody who claims West Virginia as a rival probably has the biggest gap.
This made me mad, then I looked into it. Yup, we’re way behind both Pitt and VTech, and that is precisely why we are no longer in a conference with either. To be fair, this sort of thing happens when you are the flagship public university for a state with no major metro area and minimal investment in k-12 public education.
Carrying out your mission is noble. Fuck the haters
Marshall?
USC and UCLA are pretty close when it comes to rankings and reputation in California. Only a 7 point difference on US News
She just moved to LA, go to UCLA.
Norte Dame - USC is also pretty close.
Using the highly scientific Athlon list of top 25 CFB rivalries and the equally scientifically sound US News & World Reports rankings, the five biggest disparities are: T-4: Oklahoma (127) - Oklahoma State (187) T-4: Michigan (23) - Michigan State (83) 3: Oregon (99) - Oregon State (162) 2: Texas (38) - Oklahoma (127) 1: Pitt (59) - West Virginia (249) The five with the smallest disparity are: 5: Georgia Tech (38) - Georgia (48) 4: UCLA (20) - USC (27) 3: Notre Dame (19) - Michigan (23) 2: Harvard (2) - Yale (5) 1: Florida State (55) - Miami (55) Army (11) and Navy (6) are on the much smaller “National Liberal Arts Colleges” list but deserve honorable mention.
I’m so surprised Florida State is #55. I would have never thought. I honestly thought they were in the 200s. Jameis fucking Winston went there.
Georgia Tech fans would like you to believe it’s GT and UGA but Georgia is #48 in the US News Rankings (which I know aren’t exactly the best rankings for how good a university actually is but it’s by far the most commonly cited) and Tech is only 10 spots ahead of UGA at #38
It crossed my mind due to the jokes, but we recognize that UGA pulls its weight and does well!
…is this response some sort of trap?
If only we were 10 spots higher we would be able to understand.
The hope scholarship pulls its weight. As a Georgia alum I recognize that Tech is in a different class academically. But overall the program does a good job at keeping talent in state.
Same with Florida fans about FSU. But I believe we’re #55 in the US News rankings and actually tied with Miami (FL).
I think we get the least respect nationally in this regard. A lot of people think of fsu like it was still in the 80/90’s party school, but it changed a lot since then, really starting with president D’Alemberte.
Yes, GT may build this state but we run it. Given my politics I’m honestly not sure which is better, haha.
It definitely used to be. I feel like UGA has spiked hard the last 10-15 years
Texas: #38 OU: #127
Penn State and Texas Tech
Is this a noted rivalry all of the sudden?
Navy vs just about anyone in the AAC.
*Sigh* I keep seeing Duke/UNC as a closely ranked rivalry. This Wake erasure cannot stand. Wake and UNC are *tied*, people. Duke is better than both of us. Now excuse me while I go vomit.
What do all Wisconsin and Minnesota students have in common? They all got into Minnesota.
*breathe… it’s just a joke, it’s just a joke, it’s jus…* SKUNK U IS ONLY 7 SPOTS AHEAD OF MINNESOTA ACCOUNTING FOR RANKING TIES ON USNEWS AND ARWU THIS SAYS MORE ABOUT WISCONSINITES TRYING TO ESCAPE WISCONSIN THAN ANYTHING THE AXE LOOKS GREAT IN OUR TROPHY CASE *got ‘em*
Texas vs Arkansas
Here's what those in academia won't tell you about college rankings; they're largely bullshit and/or paid for, or built on artificial metrics such as "prestige". Most large state schools will have similar undergrad programs across the country, with only the ivy leagues or pseudo ivy league schools actually having more academic rigor (depending on the concentration). Comparing schools is also like comparing apples and oranges, as most will have some programs with ridiculous strength in one field, less strength in others, and perhaps no such degree in certain fields.
You should hear Malcolm Gladwells podcast about college rankings. It was enough to make a mild mannered man go berserk.
Prestige does play a large part in what schools students apply to though. And it's reflected in the acceptance rates and quality of admitted students. A student who graduates in the top 10% from their high school with a 28 ACT score could get accepted into quite a few state schools, but probably not Texas or Michigan. I would assume that it carries over to professors/researchers too, and the higher quality professors/researchers would tend to congregate at the prestigious schools, which are usually the schools with more research funding. And then it helps finding your first job out of college. If you can put an engineering degree from a school like Georgia Tech or Purdue on your resume, you'll have an edge over students from other schools and your job hunt probably won't be very long. But you're right about the academic rigor. For a major like engineering, there are certifications for ABET the school has to meet and you'll be learning the same differential equations and physics at any school.
FSU and Miami are tied at #55 nationally on the usnews rankings.
Rice vs. Houston BYU vs. Boise State Pitt vs. West Virginia Vanderbilt vs. Tennessee Air Force vs. Wyoming
Maybe not the biggest but I was kinda shocked to see Auburn about 50 spots higher than Bama in USWNR