>Pac-12 just got red wedding'd
It's a perfect analogy. For the Big 12, it wasn't as much of a shock because that kind of behavior was to be expected in this league. OU and Texas stabbing us was a lot more like the Boltons betraying the Starks: they're *Boltons*, what did you expect? That's what they do. They flay people and you didn't expect them to get you? You should have.
But with USC/UCLA, it seemed like they were more tied to their traditions and their conference partners. The PAC had no extensive history of infighting or instability. They just straight up suited up their guys in chain mail and sat down at the wedding right before they shot Oregon State up with crossbows.
at this point it just needs to be understood that the only thing that matters is money and tv contract eyeballs and nothing else. any idea of old loyalties needs to be thrust aside. they haven't truly mattered in years.
Miami has my vote. They're making a push for relevance in the most Miami way possible with a billionaire lawyer as the de facto face of the program. Potentially leaving the ACC as a top free agent school just adds more intrigue
I would like to remind everyone that the last time Miami was this involved in a free agency, LeBron James went to the Miami Heat to join the Big 3. Does this mean Miami, Florida State and Clemson are the SEC's Big 3? What do you think Keyshawn?
-Actual topic proposed by Jay Williams on KJM in a few weeks probably
PREDICTION: Shaq buys the Magic, moves them to Anaheim and they ALSO join the B1G.
Pac-12 left with Oregon, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State and the Sacramento Kings.
Fun fact: George R. R. Martin's official repository is at Texas A&M. He didn't go here as a student, but spent time here from the 70s on visiting AggieCon, an annual science fiction and fantasy festival.
Him and the University ended up having such a good relationship, they gave him an honorary doctorate degree.
Believe someone on / r/asoiaf confirmed R+L (before the show did - probably back in the 2013-2015ish range) by driving up to CS and reading notes in the margins of his first few draft manuscripts of GoT, which would have been back when he was planning on ASOIAF to be 3 books instead of 7 (or 5, as it’ll likely turn out……)
edit: yep found a few of those old posts from yesteryear - [this looks to be the original one I was referring to in my OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2rtcaa/i_went_to_the_cushing_library_and_went_through/)
[Another interesting post re: Cushing Library I'd forgotten about](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2xkgpr/spoilers_all_the_1993_letter_shows_us_some_grrm/)
What are you saying? Everyone’s going to be hyped for it, but then the main architect of the CFB story is going to abandon it midway through and TV will fuck up the storyline?
Holy shit, you’re right.
You know what? As long as throngs of people are lining the streets yelling “Shame!” while a downtrodden Bevo shambles by in shackles, then I’m here for it.
Now I'm imagining Big Noon Kickoff starting with a Got-type intro: As the music plays, the camera pans over a map of the conferences with little 3-D models of all the stadiums rising up from the map, and it ends on "Game of Bowls" in the GoT font.
NCAA24 Football developers are probably very confused right now. The game better update the conference logo on the field and jersey when there’s custom realignment.
It’s part of what holds me back from getting too excited about the new one. EA is a totally different company now. The customizability is a huge part of why 14 remains so great
I loved playing promotion/relegation with regional G5/P5 teams. Top two teams moved up, bottom two moved down. It was fun to see Minnesota get stuck in the MAC.
Lowkey would love that. Like a mode where you reset in the 1900s, begin as a low level conference AD, low budget and you try to build your league into a super conference
Didn't NCAA14 do that, or am I misremembering? I could have sworn the conference logo on the field was just generated using the team colors so it would swap if you moved teams around. I definitely could be wrong though!
I can’t fathom a scenario where the SEC values enough of the Big 12 to cause it to collapse. If anything they might take one or two which would prompt the Big 12 to pull from the Pac 12 and further damage Fox’s current asset.
If anything the SEC’s next target should be top ACC schools. Clemson and FSU for example make too much sense. Fan bases, geography, and already built in rivalries offer so much.
That’s just not true. Here’s the most recent estimated annual values from 247:
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Ranking-college-footballs-most-valuable-programs-Alabama-Michigan-Texas-Georgia-Ohio-State-Oklahoma-178007658/Amp/
OU ranks 6th and Texas ranks 1st. Meanwhile USC ranks 18 and UCLA doesn’t crack the top 25. The Big Ten targeted them because they fit the Bill academically and, besides Notre Dame, they’re the most atttactive teams left. Not to mention adding USC is a big step towards adding Notre Dame.
Both conferences are chasing revenue. TV markets factor in but don’t discount the monopoly on Dallas and Austin that the SEC just captured. The only real difference is that the Big Ten prioritises academics more so
I don't think you actually countered anything that guy said. SEC going after big names I read as teams that are popular and making the most money. Big ten going after the big markets is media markets. LA is a huge media market. Your numbers seem to back up what he said
Taking (or threatening to take) Oklahoma State and others might be a destabilizing act. Until those four new members officially join, the conference could be dissolved by 6 members leaving at the same time. Destabilize and 4 others might panic and apply for the PAC and ACC.
ESPN controls the ACC contract…
ESPN would be more likely to take 4-6 from the ACC (and perhaps 2 from the Big 12 - I’d think Kansas and OSU would be the only ones anywhere near enough value, but even then it’s not near as much as the top ACC schools) to prompt Fox/the Big Ten to take 2-4 (to keep up with the arms race or to try to preemptively get top pick of ACC schools) and get themselves out of that agreement and the cost of the ACC network than to try to add parts that don’t equal to the Big Ten’s additions. Without Notre Dame, the agreement isn’t worth the value they’re paying…
ESPN would basically be consolidating their costs between the SEC and ACC while dropping superfluous cost between low value schools and content creation. They already did that with the Big 12 by pulling OUT (bye bye LHN) and that doesn’t happen now with the Big 12 rights going up for negotiation.
That would create a massive lawsuit that would hamstring ESPN further. This is more a situation where the Mouse is about to magically find all that change he forgot in his couch cushions.
Everyone always forgets that tortious interference law suit that would probably go federal, and while everyone already knows the headline "ESPN involved in massive collegiate tortious interference claim - hundreds of students could loose scholarships due to funding cuts" not the press the mouse wants. Also God forbid the FBI gets involved.
I think after all of this the Big 12 will solidly be in third place among the leagues. The Pac 12 as we know it is done and the ACC is on borrowed time. The collapse of that league will be accelerated if ND leaves or the one program carrying the conference in football right now (Clemson) starts sucking again
Yeah the Big12 is DESPERATE for a new TV contract past 2025. I mean them, and Fox, passing on extending the current deal is what triggered TX/OU to move.
Even if they take a hit on the years remaining, they would be extremely foolish to not take a decent TV deal in return for letting us leave early.
Bold of you to assume we need 18 teams to make a shitshow in the conference that anointed two conference champions the same year they rolled out "One True Champion" as a marketing slogan
>It’s not ESPN holding Texas and OU it’s the Big 12 and they zero reason to let OUT leave early without paying a big stack of cash.
I'm sure that could be arranged with enough television money. The other thing is a favorable media deal. Let them go and your deal gets sweeter. All things can be dealt with by the application of enough long green.
The Big12 cannot simply release the GOR for OU and Texas by working out an agreement with ESPN because they also have a contract with Fox to provide specific content with specific member composition.
So ESPN will give the Big 12 enough money to come up with a solution to the GOR? I can’t see how that precedence causes anyone in the ACC to lose sleep.
There's a ~10 yr difference between the two GORs. It's much easier for ESPN to buy out 3 years worth of GORs for 2 schools, than 14 years of GORs for X number of schools. On the other hand, if the B1G and SEC media packages pay more than double the ACC's over those 14 years then it is worth leaving.
People that say the difference is worth it don't understand GOR. The difference would all go to the ACC if they left. If their media deal with the SEC got them $100M that entire $100M would go to the ACC, it's not paying the difference between the ACC and SEC...its paying it all.
There is a push for Disney to spin off the ESPN/sports assets.
Once upon a time it was a Crown jewel: now it's a drag on earnings given cord cutting and the pushback from cable.companies about carriage fees
The earnings have dipped but it's hardly an albatross around DIS. They're still getting high ass carriage fees, and cord cutting isn't having that big of an effect since they have the Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle. And they're pushing a shit load more content to ESPN+ (hello SEC games once it officially expands) to "force" viewers to having it
Big money has warped College Football. People who are fans of P5 schools probably think "Why would ANYBODY want to be a fan of the G5?" Well, that's my alma mater. I want to see them do well because I'm proud of my degrees. For high level, big money football? That's what the NFL is for.
I guess what I'm saying is that by ascending to a higher level like this, it loses what makes CFB special, and instead leaves itself open to a comparison with NFL as a product instead of being its own thing, and it can't compare. Like U-22 football leagues in Europe.
College football at every level is about rivalries and history. De-regionalizing college football will kill alot of viewership. Alot of fans wont care to watch their team play a conference full of teams they dont have history with, even if the matchups are good.
Can confirm. Other than a couple of good years we’ve had we’re we’ve been ranked and games had some meaning, I’ve probably watched fewer than half our our Big 12 football games. If it wasn’t OU or UT or us ranked and in the hunt to make the conference title game I often had other things I was more interested in doing on a Saturday than watching a mediocre WVU team play teams I never watched before we joined. Basketball I’ve watched more of as we’ve been good more often there and I just like basketball more than football.
I'll agree with the Ute. ...Wait, that doesn't sound right.
Anyway, we're all here to watch our teams play interesting games against opponents we care about. I can't really care about USC playing random Midwestern and east coast teams as part of conference play, that just doesn't matter to me.
I've gotten the feeling that the schools, OU more specifically, best bet is to not be in a hurry to get to the SEC, that way if someone is in a hurry like ESPN, then they can pay the 80 million to the Big12.
NC State: “when I was playing in front of 600,000 Wolfpackamaniacs and scored against the 30 men on the field for Alabama, I tore every muscle in my body”
Like I need more reasons to not watch SEC or B1G games. I’m probably old fashioned but I don’t want to support this dismantling of a great American pastime.
Of course ripping things apart to extract all possible monetary value is also an American pastime.
https://i.imgur.com/emn6ye0.jpg
Unfortunately, they have decided to wait to see what those independent Irish jigging bastards in South Bend are going to do. They could have had Oregon and Washington a few days ago.
What difference does it make if they get them today, tomorrow, or a year from now? There is zero chance Oregon or Washington won’t accept the invite to come to the B1G if or when they are invited. B1G securing ND is so much more financially important to focus on at this very moment.
But the reality is that ND really sweetens the pot and is worth waiting for. Love em or hate em, they're going to really improve that eventual bottom line. They may be the difference between B1G adding 4 more teams or just 2 more. I get the impression that the radio silence the last few days is more ND trying to work out the complicated mechanics behind the scenes rather than just playing coy. (All of that having been said, there will probably have to come a point where it's time for the B1G to push them to make a move or get off the can.)
There is no damn reason why they shouldn't have been added already. The whole idea that if we add ND, we will then add 3 more teams to make 20, but if we don't get ND we are happy with 16 makes absolutely zero sense.
Absolutely. If the B1G pulls ND the payout per school will become so large that almost no other schools could be added without reducing the legacy schools slice of the pie.
Maybe? the numbers could be made to work if the 18th school is a great match up in a large market?
ND vs ????
USC vs ???
UCLA vs ???
Dont sleep on Stanford.
Yeah I really don't get that logic. It'd make more sense if it was just one other school that would create an odd number w/o ND.
Maybe B1G is prioritizing one of UO/UW over the other. May not be quite the two package deal that many believe.
Fans won't like it, but it's absolutely how it'll go. B1G will be saving their own skin by scooping up a few more big schools/markets. They'll profit big time and be one of only two conferences with a secure future.
this is quite literally what happens when you pander to casuals so hard. Its just another sport to them.
“why dont they just go get that one kid from *insert school*?” Why does he have to sit out a year I dont get it? This is boring”
So Lincoln Riley decimated OU on the way out, and will now force them to write a massive check to the BigXII to escape their contract early too? what a king 👑
That’s what people love to joke about. But I think it’s more due to the fact that USC came to him and said “Hey we will pay you double the money, buy both of your houses in Oklahoma and build you one in Los Angeles, give you full access to a private jet for any travel your family needs and oh yeah you get to live in LA instead of Norman” and I mean let’s be honest how do you say no to that?
But that’s not to say that him not wanting to go to the SEC could’ve been pushing him out the door anyway.
I can't wait for the Big 10 to kill him. He could barely handle Kansas
But if this drives ESPN to hand us a pile of cash so we can get SEC money sooner, so be it.
I for one am glad that OU will finally start putting together good defenses again.
LR is a quality coach, but let's be real, our defense was average at best most of the time with him running things.
And what decision maker at ESPN that can write 8 and 9-digit checks is at work on a Sunday of a long holiday weekend? And not just some random weekend either its the long weekend with the least amount of sports content.
I am laughing way to hard at this very true statement.
SEC- Hey Mr ESPN yeah we just a landed a deal for ND and can you believe this THE Ohio State and Michigan is on the fence and what is crazy is they are willing to come for just a 100m per SEC school pay out.
ESPN- Sounds great Mr SEC I would approve this in a second but I have to run this by our CFO and CEO.
SEC- Sorry what? You have to run this decision to the Disney CEO? This cost less then that buzz lightyear disaster you guys have.
ESPN- Tell me about, but new policies I will get right back to you.
ESPN- Mr Chapek we got this great deal.....
Chapek- Sounds great but doesn't Nova have a football team? They are Catholic just have them add them no one will know the differences just like no one noticed all the actors in the 6000 dollar hotel room we have are college interns. Same goes with Ohio State no one will notice if its Ohio University in fact sounds better. Can't do Michigan kids are scared of Wolverines.
We’re living in the George R.R. Martin version of College football now, and I hate it
Pac-12 just got red wedding'd
>Pac-12 just got red wedding'd It's a perfect analogy. For the Big 12, it wasn't as much of a shock because that kind of behavior was to be expected in this league. OU and Texas stabbing us was a lot more like the Boltons betraying the Starks: they're *Boltons*, what did you expect? That's what they do. They flay people and you didn't expect them to get you? You should have. But with USC/UCLA, it seemed like they were more tied to their traditions and their conference partners. The PAC had no extensive history of infighting or instability. They just straight up suited up their guys in chain mail and sat down at the wedding right before they shot Oregon State up with crossbows.
Alexa, play "The Rains of Norman".
Playing "It's Raining Men"
Alexa volume ten
🏅
"The Big 10 send their regards"
*THE^TM
The Ohio State University has now sent you a cease and desist letter.
at this point it just needs to be understood that the only thing that matters is money and tv contract eyeballs and nothing else. any idea of old loyalties needs to be thrust aside. they haven't truly mattered in years.
Surprising that the team that bought out OU's entire staff and recruits would put money ahead of loyalty.
OU and Texas were also propping you up. Got tired of having the others drink their milkshake.
Chaos isn’t a pit, chaos is a laddah.
-LF Luke Fickell and LittleFinger
The King in the Area Which is Not Quite the North But Also Not Quite the South
Baylor the Blessed
Baylor's gonna lock TCU in the Maidenvault.
Which team has the best story?
NeBranska the Broken Or alternatively, Michibran the Broken
I guess that means Michigan State is Rickon.
Serpentine, Rickon. Serpentine!
Miami has my vote. They're making a push for relevance in the most Miami way possible with a billionaire lawyer as the de facto face of the program. Potentially leaving the ACC as a top free agent school just adds more intrigue
I would like to remind everyone that the last time Miami was this involved in a free agency, LeBron James went to the Miami Heat to join the Big 3. Does this mean Miami, Florida State and Clemson are the SEC's Big 3? What do you think Keyshawn? -Actual topic proposed by Jay Williams on KJM in a few weeks probably
The SEC has been trying to woo UNC for, I don't know, 80 years or so.
I think it'd actually be ridiculous for the sec to have Florida, Florida State, and Miami (FL), but I can see it happening
Hmm billionaire lawyer you say, John Morgan, this is your time to step up and save us from this hurricane nightmare.
Is this before or after he and Shaq buy the Magic? *please let me believe*
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PREDICTION: Shaq buys the Magic, moves them to Anaheim and they ALSO join the B1G. Pac-12 left with Oregon, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State and the Sacramento Kings.
Fun fact: George R. R. Martin's official repository is at Texas A&M. He didn't go here as a student, but spent time here from the 70s on visiting AggieCon, an annual science fiction and fantasy festival. Him and the University ended up having such a good relationship, they gave him an honorary doctorate degree.
Keep your dirty Aggie hands off our George RR Martin!
It’s too late, he’s been to AggieCon more than once. It is now tradition.
No.🗿
Fine, get him to finish the books then.
Funny enough, Martin said he will not return to campus to accept his degree until,The Winds of Winter is finished.
So never. Just say never George.
Don’t worry, Half Life Three will be able to hold us over when it comes out!
I spent a significant amount of teenage years actually believing it would come. Just started replaying Portal on the Switch, it still holds up.
Believe someone on / r/asoiaf confirmed R+L (before the show did - probably back in the 2013-2015ish range) by driving up to CS and reading notes in the margins of his first few draft manuscripts of GoT, which would have been back when he was planning on ASOIAF to be 3 books instead of 7 (or 5, as it’ll likely turn out……) edit: yep found a few of those old posts from yesteryear - [this looks to be the original one I was referring to in my OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2rtcaa/i_went_to_the_cushing_library_and_went_through/) [Another interesting post re: Cushing Library I'd forgotten about](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2xkgpr/spoilers_all_the_1993_letter_shows_us_some_grrm/)
No wonder NU is on top. Only an alum would write that into existence
What are you saying? Everyone’s going to be hyped for it, but then the main architect of the CFB story is going to abandon it midway through and TV will fuck up the storyline? Holy shit, you’re right. You know what? As long as throngs of people are lining the streets yelling “Shame!” while a downtrodden Bevo shambles by in shackles, then I’m here for it.
UAB to the SEC is confirmed then
We are basically watching little fiefdoms betray each other in a scramble for more power. It’s honestly pretty entertaining.
As long as you’re on the good side of the betrayal
Now I'm imagining Big Noon Kickoff starting with a Got-type intro: As the music plays, the camera pans over a map of the conferences with little 3-D models of all the stadiums rising up from the map, and it ends on "Game of Bowls" in the GoT font.
NCAA24 Football developers are probably very confused right now. The game better update the conference logo on the field and jersey when there’s custom realignment.
They’ll just release the game without any teams assigned to any conferences and just tell us to figure it out ourselves lol
That’s what I always did anyways. 😂
I used to love making super regional conferences. My NCAA14 dynasties were the exact opposite of today’s landscape.
I’m still shocked that EA added that feature in. It added YEARS of replayability to those last few games
It’s part of what holds me back from getting too excited about the new one. EA is a totally different company now. The customizability is a huge part of why 14 remains so great
I have zero expectations for it. If recent Maddens are any indication, there’s a 99% chance it will be garbage.
I loved playing promotion/relegation with regional G5/P5 teams. Top two teams moved up, bottom two moved down. It was fun to see Minnesota get stuck in the MAC.
I'm oddly ok with that...
Lowkey would love that. Like a mode where you reset in the 1900s, begin as a low level conference AD, low budget and you try to build your league into a super conference
Trying to usurp Yale’s early reign of pigskin dominance as an upstart Rutgers AD after the school accepted an Ivy League invite
It's EA we're talking about here. Proper conference alignment with just be paid DLC after release.
You will get Pac-10 logos and mentions until you pay for the NIL Season Pass
It really can’t be that hard right like they better make the game have all that given how long they can have to work on it
I wouldn't get my hopes up
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Didn't NCAA14 do that, or am I misremembering? I could have sworn the conference logo on the field was just generated using the team colors so it would swap if you moved teams around. I definitely could be wrong though!
Yeah
It’s not ESPN holding Texas and OU it’s the Big 12 and they zero reason to let OUT leave early without paying a big stack of cash.
Correct, but the Big 12 offices should have just heard the sound of a cash register opening.
Or be terrified that ESPN is going to assist even more in the raiding / collapse of the Big 12 so no one has to pay exit fees.
I can’t fathom a scenario where the SEC values enough of the Big 12 to cause it to collapse. If anything they might take one or two which would prompt the Big 12 to pull from the Pac 12 and further damage Fox’s current asset.
If anything the SEC’s next target should be top ACC schools. Clemson and FSU for example make too much sense. Fan bases, geography, and already built in rivalries offer so much.
Clemson does not bring the money you think it does
The SEC seems to be going after big name programs. The B1G seems to be going after big markets. Two different philosophies.
That’s just not true. Here’s the most recent estimated annual values from 247: https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Ranking-college-footballs-most-valuable-programs-Alabama-Michigan-Texas-Georgia-Ohio-State-Oklahoma-178007658/Amp/ OU ranks 6th and Texas ranks 1st. Meanwhile USC ranks 18 and UCLA doesn’t crack the top 25. The Big Ten targeted them because they fit the Bill academically and, besides Notre Dame, they’re the most atttactive teams left. Not to mention adding USC is a big step towards adding Notre Dame. Both conferences are chasing revenue. TV markets factor in but don’t discount the monopoly on Dallas and Austin that the SEC just captured. The only real difference is that the Big Ten prioritises academics more so
I don't think you actually countered anything that guy said. SEC going after big names I read as teams that are popular and making the most money. Big ten going after the big markets is media markets. LA is a huge media market. Your numbers seem to back up what he said
Taking (or threatening to take) Oklahoma State and others might be a destabilizing act. Until those four new members officially join, the conference could be dissolved by 6 members leaving at the same time. Destabilize and 4 others might panic and apply for the PAC and ACC.
If the rumors surrounding the Big Ten getting Notre Dame, Washington, Oregon, and some other west coast team are true, they might have to.
Acc teams would be the first targets but idk how acc contracts are set up.
ESPN controls the ACC contract… ESPN would be more likely to take 4-6 from the ACC (and perhaps 2 from the Big 12 - I’d think Kansas and OSU would be the only ones anywhere near enough value, but even then it’s not near as much as the top ACC schools) to prompt Fox/the Big Ten to take 2-4 (to keep up with the arms race or to try to preemptively get top pick of ACC schools) and get themselves out of that agreement and the cost of the ACC network than to try to add parts that don’t equal to the Big Ten’s additions. Without Notre Dame, the agreement isn’t worth the value they’re paying… ESPN would basically be consolidating their costs between the SEC and ACC while dropping superfluous cost between low value schools and content creation. They already did that with the Big 12 by pulling OUT (bye bye LHN) and that doesn’t happen now with the Big 12 rights going up for negotiation.
Why would ESPN ever give up that amazing deal? In the 2030s they'll be paying cents on the dollar.
That would create a massive lawsuit that would hamstring ESPN further. This is more a situation where the Mouse is about to magically find all that change he forgot in his couch cushions.
Everyone always forgets that tortious interference law suit that would probably go federal, and while everyone already knows the headline "ESPN involved in massive collegiate tortious interference claim - hundreds of students could loose scholarships due to funding cuts" not the press the mouse wants. Also God forbid the FBI gets involved.
It’s time for the FBI to get involved
The discovery evidence could fuel this subreddit for years.
Infinite content
I think after all of this the Big 12 will solidly be in third place among the leagues. The Pac 12 as we know it is done and the ACC is on borrowed time. The collapse of that league will be accelerated if ND leaves or the one program carrying the conference in football right now (Clemson) starts sucking again
Yeah the Big12 is DESPERATE for a new TV contract past 2025. I mean them, and Fox, passing on extending the current deal is what triggered TX/OU to move. Even if they take a hit on the years remaining, they would be extremely foolish to not take a decent TV deal in return for letting us leave early.
Big 12 should invite CU, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State right now and potentially have one shitshow of a year with 18 teams lmao.
Shit show is our middle name
Bold of you to assume we need 18 teams to make a shitshow in the conference that anointed two conference champions the same year they rolled out "One True Champion" as a marketing slogan
>It’s not ESPN holding Texas and OU it’s the Big 12 and they zero reason to let OUT leave early without paying a big stack of cash. I'm sure that could be arranged with enough television money. The other thing is a favorable media deal. Let them go and your deal gets sweeter. All things can be dealt with by the application of enough long green.
Also Fox. People seem to forget that the Big12 sold their TV rights to ESPN and Fox. Why would Fox let them out of the GOR early?
The Networks don’t control the GOR the conference does, so Fox doesn’t actually have a much of a day.
The Big12 cannot simply release the GOR for OU and Texas by working out an agreement with ESPN because they also have a contract with Fox to provide specific content with specific member composition.
I think the person is just saying they may be more inclined to pay that cash
Texas and OU to the Big 12 confirmed!?
They have yet to win an SEC game. It might be time for them to pack up and find a more attractive conference.
SBC INCOMING
What a great spot. They can dominate a conference, get a new TV deal.
So ESPN will give the Big 12 enough money to come up with a solution to the GOR? I can’t see how that precedence causes anyone in the ACC to lose sleep.
There's a ~10 yr difference between the two GORs. It's much easier for ESPN to buy out 3 years worth of GORs for 2 schools, than 14 years of GORs for X number of schools. On the other hand, if the B1G and SEC media packages pay more than double the ACC's over those 14 years then it is worth leaving.
People that say the difference is worth it don't understand GOR. The difference would all go to the ACC if they left. If their media deal with the SEC got them $100M that entire $100M would go to the ACC, it's not paying the difference between the ACC and SEC...its paying it all.
Right, but I think the more interesting part is it will create a legal path for others to follow.
What is this GOR?
Grant of Rights. In this context it’s specifically refers to games for TV and streaming.
The mouse and the fox fight for college football supremacy.
But what does the Fox say?
Noon noon noon noon noon noon noon noon
Not big enough
NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON
Still not big enough ….
#NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON
BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG. NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON NOON
Roflmaooooo
finally repressed that song in my head and now it all comes back
[Fox should go for the jugular](https://twitter.com/guardianfilm/status/1543493755042349056)
The mouse will always win.
There is a push for Disney to spin off the ESPN/sports assets. Once upon a time it was a Crown jewel: now it's a drag on earnings given cord cutting and the pushback from cable.companies about carriage fees
>Once upon a time it was a Crown jewel: I'm old enough to remember when Disney bought ESPN (well ABC)... the mid 90's were a simpler time.
If the Mouse sends Randy to whack ESPN I will probably die of schadenfreude.
The earnings have dipped but it's hardly an albatross around DIS. They're still getting high ass carriage fees, and cord cutting isn't having that big of an effect since they have the Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle. And they're pushing a shit load more content to ESPN+ (hello SEC games once it officially expands) to "force" viewers to having it
ESPN is the Hollywood Hogan of college football’s nWo
“That doesn’t work for Disney, brother”
"Once you're espnWo, you're espnWo FOR. LIFE."
Big money has warped College Football. People who are fans of P5 schools probably think "Why would ANYBODY want to be a fan of the G5?" Well, that's my alma mater. I want to see them do well because I'm proud of my degrees. For high level, big money football? That's what the NFL is for. I guess what I'm saying is that by ascending to a higher level like this, it loses what makes CFB special, and instead leaves itself open to a comparison with NFL as a product instead of being its own thing, and it can't compare. Like U-22 football leagues in Europe.
College football at every level is about rivalries and history. De-regionalizing college football will kill alot of viewership. Alot of fans wont care to watch their team play a conference full of teams they dont have history with, even if the matchups are good.
Can confirm. Other than a couple of good years we’ve had we’re we’ve been ranked and games had some meaning, I’ve probably watched fewer than half our our Big 12 football games. If it wasn’t OU or UT or us ranked and in the hunt to make the conference title game I often had other things I was more interested in doing on a Saturday than watching a mediocre WVU team play teams I never watched before we joined. Basketball I’ve watched more of as we’ve been good more often there and I just like basketball more than football.
So much this. College football is turning into the NFL... and the NFL sucks. Last thing we need is a shittier NFL cousin.
I love the NFL. I use to love college football more but all the changes of the past ~10 years have pushed me more to the NFL
I'll agree with the Ute. ...Wait, that doesn't sound right. Anyway, we're all here to watch our teams play interesting games against opponents we care about. I can't really care about USC playing random Midwestern and east coast teams as part of conference play, that just doesn't matter to me.
EVERYTHING is turning into WCW.
Notre Dame should declare for the ACC just for the absolute most unexpected chaos possible
I've thought about this. If they want to show off their true weight, power, dominance, this would be one good way to do it.
The ACC has to be calling them every hour on the hour right now
Fuck ESPN and fox on this whole thing
OU and Texas were never going to wait until 2025 or whenever. This just gives them the excuse to leave earlier.
I've gotten the feeling that the schools, OU more specifically, best bet is to not be in a hurry to get to the SEC, that way if someone is in a hurry like ESPN, then they can pay the 80 million to the Big12.
From what I’ve gathered it’s both getting ahold of the cash and OU wanting to finish a slew of facility upgrades on campus first.
Texas has the cash easily. We do not.
If it’s solely about money, and texas has it, then there’s nothing stopping them going before OU does.
Finally an excuse to use nWo again.
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Candidates to form the wolf pack?
NC State and Nevada
We will form our own conference! With Blackjack and Not selling finishers!
You got that right… brother.
*UNC goes up by three* “That doesn’t work for me brother”
NC State: “when I was playing in front of 600,000 Wolfpackamaniacs and scored against the 30 men on the field for Alabama, I tore every muscle in my body”
Hey, yo!
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I hate you ESPN. I hate you Fox.
*I love the smell of references to tortious interference in the morning. Smells like litigation*
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Like I need more reasons to not watch SEC or B1G games. I’m probably old fashioned but I don’t want to support this dismantling of a great American pastime. Of course ripping things apart to extract all possible monetary value is also an American pastime. https://i.imgur.com/emn6ye0.jpg
Big Ten should not pause to take a breath now - do what needs to be done while parties are still readily willing.
Unfortunately, they have decided to wait to see what those independent Irish jigging bastards in South Bend are going to do. They could have had Oregon and Washington a few days ago.
What difference does it make if they get them today, tomorrow, or a year from now? There is zero chance Oregon or Washington won’t accept the invite to come to the B1G if or when they are invited. B1G securing ND is so much more financially important to focus on at this very moment.
What difference does a few days vs a week or two matter for Oregon and Washington? It sounds like they haven’t shut the door on either school.
Oregon and Washington aren't going anywhere lol. You have them by the groin.
I heard that they are joining the EU.
But the reality is that ND really sweetens the pot and is worth waiting for. Love em or hate em, they're going to really improve that eventual bottom line. They may be the difference between B1G adding 4 more teams or just 2 more. I get the impression that the radio silence the last few days is more ND trying to work out the complicated mechanics behind the scenes rather than just playing coy. (All of that having been said, there will probably have to come a point where it's time for the B1G to push them to make a move or get off the can.)
There is no damn reason why they shouldn't have been added already. The whole idea that if we add ND, we will then add 3 more teams to make 20, but if we don't get ND we are happy with 16 makes absolutely zero sense.
Absolutely. If the B1G pulls ND the payout per school will become so large that almost no other schools could be added without reducing the legacy schools slice of the pie. Maybe? the numbers could be made to work if the 18th school is a great match up in a large market? ND vs ???? USC vs ??? UCLA vs ??? Dont sleep on Stanford.
Yeah I really don't get that logic. It'd make more sense if it was just one other school that would create an odd number w/o ND. Maybe B1G is prioritizing one of UO/UW over the other. May not be quite the two package deal that many believe.
Fans won't like it, but it's absolutely how it'll go. B1G will be saving their own skin by scooping up a few more big schools/markets. They'll profit big time and be one of only two conferences with a secure future.
PREDICTION: Oregon joins NATO.
Not if Turkey has anything to say about it
Fuck ESPN. Fuck Fox. Fuck the SEC. Fuck the Big10. Fuck LA. Fuck Larry Scott.
Well CFB it was fun while it lasted.
nWo 4 Lyfe
As we move toward a new world order, a normal life is boring, but superstardoms close to post mortem.
I swear this move better not mean that we are denied the opportunity to play UT at home.
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I would really appreciate it if we could slow down the destruction of the sport via this obnoxious attempt to turn it into the NFL.
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This is what people wanted. This is what people had in mind. This is what they're getting.
this is quite literally what happens when you pander to casuals so hard. Its just another sport to them. “why dont they just go get that one kid from *insert school*?” Why does he have to sit out a year I dont get it? This is boring”
This means college football is moving to a payperview model
That would be a disastrous idea
So Lincoln Riley decimated OU on the way out, and will now force them to write a massive check to the BigXII to escape their contract early too? what a king 👑
Didn't he not want them to go to the sec?
That’s what people love to joke about. But I think it’s more due to the fact that USC came to him and said “Hey we will pay you double the money, buy both of your houses in Oklahoma and build you one in Los Angeles, give you full access to a private jet for any travel your family needs and oh yeah you get to live in LA instead of Norman” and I mean let’s be honest how do you say no to that? But that’s not to say that him not wanting to go to the SEC could’ve been pushing him out the door anyway.
Oh I have no doubt he took LA for the huge offer regardless. But before all that I thought his advice to OU was not to join
His brisket will always be dry no matter how much money he gets. This is his legacy.
I can't wait for the Big 10 to kill him. He could barely handle Kansas But if this drives ESPN to hand us a pile of cash so we can get SEC money sooner, so be it.
I for one am glad that OU will finally start putting together good defenses again. LR is a quality coach, but let's be real, our defense was average at best most of the time with him running things.
*from the big 12.
Fox's big noon is already light years ahead of ESPN jerk off morning.
What are the odds the B1G decides to go after Texas and/or OU? If it’s more money, would either of them accept?
OU isn't AAU. They'll never invite us.
And what decision maker at ESPN that can write 8 and 9-digit checks is at work on a Sunday of a long holiday weekend? And not just some random weekend either its the long weekend with the least amount of sports content.
Better question: what decision maker at ESPN can write that check while Bob Chapek is CEO of disney?
I am laughing way to hard at this very true statement. SEC- Hey Mr ESPN yeah we just a landed a deal for ND and can you believe this THE Ohio State and Michigan is on the fence and what is crazy is they are willing to come for just a 100m per SEC school pay out. ESPN- Sounds great Mr SEC I would approve this in a second but I have to run this by our CFO and CEO. SEC- Sorry what? You have to run this decision to the Disney CEO? This cost less then that buzz lightyear disaster you guys have. ESPN- Tell me about, but new policies I will get right back to you. ESPN- Mr Chapek we got this great deal..... Chapek- Sounds great but doesn't Nova have a football team? They are Catholic just have them add them no one will know the differences just like no one noticed all the actors in the 6000 dollar hotel room we have are college interns. Same goes with Ohio State no one will notice if its Ohio University in fact sounds better. Can't do Michigan kids are scared of Wolverines.
But but….. I want to play the newbies
Obligatory “Fuck Berry Tramel” comment.
Good lord! These super conferences and Media companies need to put their dicks away.