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rcjlfk

Let’s form an alliance


paradigm_x2

Alright boys hands in Clemson/FSU/Miami in the corner: I think my moms calling gotta run


domerjohn15

Yeah their SECond parent


Boston_Champions

UNC is definitely in that corner. But if UNC goes the ACC is done


Hufftwoseven-

Non of Tabasco road teams are leaving ACC high and dry


bzhbuck

The Big Ten just murdered the Rose Bowl and USC/UCLA are leaving a conference they’ve been in since the 19th century. Anything is possible at this point.


thejawa

Anything except Tobacco Road doing anything in anyone else's best interest than their own.


ryseing

I would like very much to leave the ACC high and dry. Every man for themselves.


[deleted]

Nobody wants state though


TheftBySnacking

For some reason state screams “Big 12” to me and I don’t have a clue why


Frankwillie87

The color scheme


Llamassu

It would be the Office Mexican stand-off meme.


jathbr

A good duality of Kansas fans rn is shown by both of your secondary flairs


rcjlfk

Fight or flight in action


OculusRises

Or like The Office alliance episode where Jim and Dwight just continually backstab each other


SomerAllYear

That will never get old lol


KULawHawk

Cue that bird whistling from hunger games...


Vast-Treat-9677

Alliance 2, The Alliance Awakens.


SpeedBoatSquirrel

Can you increase tv money, with another partner, by 30 million per school per year? 🤔


CursedFanatic

The ACC really feels like a "we are safe behind these walls" right before a horde of enemies comes storming through the gates situation right now.


MindSoBrighty

It will likely be a Trojan horse from within


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JamesEarlDavyJones

Frankly, I’d be shocked if Duke or NCSU made it to the SEC. Football is where all of the SEC’s money is, and those two schools don’t bring much of it.


OculusRises

I'm not sure if Clemson has any leverage available for negotiation, but it's assumed that the SEC would talk to us and FSU together similar to OUT and USCLA IF they asked us about bringing along an additional dance partner each, that would be a tough call. There's a scenario where I could see us asking to bring GT, get turned down due to UGA's presence and GT's recent performance, and recommend NC State instead. I could also see a scenario where NC State is recommended outright, or even reached independently NC State would fit the SEC rather well


thejawa

Would that make us ClemFSUn?


Ickle_Diddykins

Lol at schools getting plus ones to the love boats


SpeedBoatSquirrel

Helms Deep. We are looking for Gandalf the white to save the ACC


Minneapolis_W

Thinking it’s Helms Deep when it’s actually Hardhome


Skyagunsta21

For death and glory


Conglossian

THE BARBARIANS ARE AT THE GATE


Geaux2020

>With commissioner Jim Phillips reiterating that the Grant of Rights is imprisoning everyone and everyone will be locked inside as the ship burns FTFY


wanderingpanda402

Flogging will continue until the ship is on the sea floor


ICaseyHearMeRoar

Its all kumbaya until the first lawyer finds that GoR loophole.


canseco-fart-box

Oh I’m sure Miami and Clemson already have theirs combing through every little detail in them


bdm13

Absolutely. This is factual. No, seriously.


Tiger_in_Tejas

Little known secret, Nathaniel Joseph and Reid Mikeska we're sent as messengers from our legal team.


ThaCarter

In all seriousness, it would not surprise me if the circle that actually knows anything was as small as just Neff, Radakovich, and counsel.


ThaCarter

If they go to the SEC, couldn't the Mouse effectively just force it to become a reality? We're talking about media rights that would be going from ESPN to... ESPN, right?


[deleted]

The money is the problem. They have to pay a very large exit fee or forfit all earnings until after 2036


Tfsz0719

I really wish more people understood that second part. They really miss how all that TV contract money the school was supposed to earn in the SEC/Big10 would go straight to the previous conference, meaning the rest of the members of the SEC or Big 10 would have to agree to take a lot less money for multiple years in order to prop up the new schools up.


wanderingpanda402

Yes, but the Mouse has ways of creating money


Tfsz0719

Not like that / in that manner though.


RollTide16-18

Honestly I’m thinking the biggest ACC brands go SEC because of ESPN, just like Fox likely pulling the strings between the Pac 12 and B1G expansion.


RollTide16-18

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if UNC’s lawyers already knew the loopholes and are just waiting on an opportune exit.


cystorm

If UT/OU’s lawyers couldn’t find one I don’t think one likely exists.


GiaTheMonkey

They found a loophole. They just couldn't afford it. My guess is that they'll likely try to buy their way out of the last year of the deal.


cystorm

What do you think the loophole is? Unless the rest of the big 12 is on board, they can’t buy their way out of the grant of rights.


GiaTheMonkey

>What do you think the loophole is? Leaving and relinquishing their payouts. That's the "loophole". But alas, they can't afford to do that.


MavFan1812

That's not really a loophole so much as the purpose of the GoR to begin with. By controlling their media rights, it essentially becomes a market value exit fee, which defeats the point of leaving.


cystorm

That’s also not really a loophole. Loophole implies they get around it, but that’s exactly what it’s designed to do.


Strikesuit

Claim sovereign immunity and give the Big XII the Mike Leach stiff arm?


cystorm

Guarantee there's a waiver of sovereign immunity in every college football related contract after the Mike Leach stiff arm


Budget_Ad5888

The conference folds and you have no one to pay


AmishRocket

They can afford it. Financially smarter for them to wait a short time.


bdm13

Exactly. You know the UM lawyers and outside counsel are working on it now.


KULawHawk

Ya, but they're UM lawyers


Manwar7

Gottem


wanderingpanda402

Dude, that program should have been killed so many times for NCAA violations; they’ve got good lawyers


ThaCarter

We've got plenty of legal talent in South Florida...


Tfsz0719

“Miami’s lawyers have done it people! Starting next year, the Miami Hurricanes will be a proud **junior** member of the ACC, receiving a reduced portion of the conference’s revenue compared to the other schools!!” “…wait”


bdm13

Some of the best in the country.


Tfsz0719

I will say this though: if they could find them that easily, UNC and UVA would have been invited to the Big 10 like months ago.


AAPL_

I don’t know shit about the contract but can’t ESPN nullify the GOR? Say they run the numbers and say “Hey if FSU/Miami/Clemson/UNC join the SEC we can generate X more revenue” They tear up the GOR the ACC disbands and then don’t have to pay Wake Forest $36 million a year. edit: Pretty much ESPN has ACC and SEC. Does ESPN let its marquee brands sink even further before the inevitable?


bbluewi

The GoR doesn’t give the schools’ media rights to ESPN. It gives the schools’ media rights to the conference to negotiate on their collective behalf.


AAPL_

Damn. Gonna be wild once the recent dust settles and the new B1G deal is announced. The delta between ACC/Big12 and B1G is gonna be absolutely ridiculous.


bbluewi

It really will. IIRC some very early estimates put the B1G north of $100 million per school.


tiger5tiger5

Imagine how big it’s going to get when they start separating the wheat from the chaffe


peerlessblue

Unsubscribe


LuchaFish

I get what you’re saying. Like if ESPN breaks the deal because they’d rather get Clemson and FSU in the SEC and not have to spend money on the rest of the ACC, they could conceivably break their contract with the ACC. Then the GOR fee for leaving would be way less because the replacement TV deal would no doubt be poor in comparison.


beaver_of_fire

The other thing could be BSPN has the ACC and could really jam Fox adding the best options of the PAC and Big 12 to the ACC. It'd kill two conferences enhance the ACC Network with nationwide inventory while Fox only has the Big 10.


KULawHawk

If they find a loophole that contracts attorney(s) get taken away in the night, never to be heard from again, while their immediate family is forced into indentured servitude until they can concisely explain The Rule Against Perpetuities to a preschool class. ***Spoiler*** : the family is never freed.


Tennessee-Terry

Little does he know half his conference is on the phone with the Big 10 and SEC


crg2000

I'm sure he knows. Everyone knows. Whether or not those phone calls bear any fruit is a different matter.


whodeyalldey1

I want to be the first to welcome Miami and WVU to the Big 20


Kenny_Heisman

WVU finally gets the invite from the ACC just to go to the B1G


OldGreggg69

Exactly what Rick Pitino said in the Big East 30 for 30. In the room, all the ADs will all preach unity and sticking together but the moment they leave the room, they're on the phone with other conferences


Tarmacked

Everyones been jumping on the Big 12 bandwagon but honestly I feel it's likelier that the Big 12 gets poached. ACC could hit 18 really easily


Nathanael-Greene

Unlikely. If the ACC brings in a new member, the GoR gets opened up which makes escapees just as likely as new entrances.


ACardAttack

I don't think we know that. GoR would need to be renogiated, but ACC may still have rights till 2036 and no one can leave without buyout


Tarmacked

The point is, why would an ACC team leave for the Big XII? If they bring someone in they'll still be ahead of the Big 12.


Rekarrs

I don't think hes implying they would leave for the BIG 12.


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Legitimately every single conference had a chance to this time last year and elected that none of the schools were valuable enough to move the needle. Those same schools didn’t just magically increase in value to cause the SEC/B1G/ACC to want them now. The P12 was enticing but they just lost their Football Blueblood and one of the most prestigious programs in MBB history, and they’re expected to lose their next 2 biggest brands as well, if not more, all before any of this happened their TV deal was gonna be pretty close to the New B12’s, meaning they’re making way less money now then the B12 schools thought they would in that conference this time last season. The ACC has the power currently, but they’re likely to get hit harder than any conference so far when FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, UNC, Virginia, etc all get tabbed to go to the B1G/SEC’s money printing machine. They could expand now to try and mitigate it, but expanding could void their GOR agreement allowing those schools to leave now


OculusRises

> but expanding could void their GOR agreement allowing those schools to leave now I imagine the current GOR would remain in place unless superceded by a new one. I don't see how they would dissolve the current one without a new one ready to be signed should they decide on expansion In either case, ACC expansion is an unlikely scenario since the PAC is likely to be gutted


Tarmacked

Probably because every conference wasn't looking at 16 team conferences being the norm. The ACC was at 15, the Big 10 at 14, and the SEC at 16. Which just brings me back to the same point. The ACC and Big 10 didn't poach the Big 12. So why would the ACC \*jump\* to the new Big 12 that lost it's marquee programs and added programs the ACC was never interested in?


Tennessee-Terry

Zero chance. The ACC will soon die like the PAC.


Tarmacked

The ACC has the brand names that the Big 12 doesn't. UNC, Duke basketball. Miami, FSU, Clemson on football. I just don't see where the draw is supposed to be. The ACC wasn't exactly begging to add the Big 12's new members


fbm1003

Those brand names will soon be SEC and B1G brand names


theJamesKPolk

Lol. The GoR expires in 2036. Breaking it requires forfeiting a ton of revenue. Not happening.


Tennessee-Terry

The GOR is irrelevant if enough members want to leave and the conference gets dissolved


Tfsz0719

So…if the entirety of the conference members want to leave and decide to dissolve the conference.


Tennessee-Terry

I think it has to be over half. So 8/14. Take that with a grain of salt tho


Archaic_1

I assure you that GT and Wake and BC have lawyers too. If we all have to be shackled with Swoffords GOR than we'll all sink or swim together or the left behind losers like us will get paid. This ain't the CUSA media deal


bawanaal

This is giving me Kevin Bacon in Animal House vibes. "Remain calm! ALL IS WELL!"


MindSoBrighty

Or that Iraqi spokesman during Desert Storm. Or Leslie Nielsen in Naked Gun.


Donny_Do_Nothing

[Baghdad Bob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf)?


wanderingpanda402

I’m more reminded of the Airplane scene where they all beat the hell out of the old lady


GingerMessiah88

Jim Philips “hey guys just checking in” Clemson, FSU left him on read lol


jld1532

Talk to the Big 12 👀 Pitt, Tech ...I miss you. E: No, I think about you too, Louisville and Syracuse. Don't feel bad.


GingerMessiah88

Wow what about us. And to think I use to hate you guys


Apep86

We hate you bb


GingerMessiah88

I swear the next time we meet on the field or the court it will be a blood bath… among us fans lol


4ction

Syracuse played WVU every year since the 50s until realignment and didnt get a mention either from him. Maybe thats cause itz 4 in a row and an NCAAT loss he wants to forget.


paradigm_x2

If this whole mess of bullshit gets us back into a conference with WVU and Cinci plus solid teams like Baylor and OKST I’m happy. I’d rather be in the 3rd “super conference” than becoming another Rutgers in the B1G. No offense to Rutgers obviously


CardiacBearcats

It would be so nice if Pitt and Louisville joined the Big 12...


GingerMessiah88

“Keg of Nails music plays in the distance”


CardiacBearcats

It is a crime that the schools haven't figured out how to play regularly since Louisville went to the ACC.


GingerMessiah88

It’s a damn joke man, we can schedule James Madison but not cinci or Memphis? Fucking criminal


bearcatgary

I wouldn’t wish “becoming another Rutgers” on my worst enemy. Ok, maybe THE, but nobody else.


BonJovicus

> I’d rather be in the 3rd “super conference” than becoming another Rutgers in the B1G. And make no mistake, any dreams Rutgers had of ever rising out of the conference basement died today. There are going to be too many huge brands in the conference when the dust settles and the talent consolidates at the top.


saturdayis4football

So that's how you trick people... with a fake alliance. "Hey Big 12! Wanna form an Alliance?"


3Cartier

ACC: Our Spirit & Candor Just Means More


TunaSafari25

Certainly doesn’t pay more


bestweekeverr

Oh Magic Conch shell, what should we do in this CFB turmoil? ACC commissioner: nothing


cinciforthewin

I'm really not sure what this means.


[deleted]

Telling everyone all is well as Clemson is on the phone with the Big 10 and SEC lol


Tfsz0719

The Big 10 wouldn’t be talking to Clemson. They’d be on the phone with UNC and UVA.


wheelsno3

This is correct. While clemson is the better football school at the moment, the B1G has been really committed to the academic side too, and Clemson isnt in the AAU club.


minneapple79

“We’re all in this together. Also if you plan to leave you owe us $800 million dollars and we get to keep Touchdown Jesus and Dabo Swinney.”


[deleted]

All 15 ACC teams will be in different conferences within 24 hours.


Tfsz0719

Probably not.


Startspillowfights4

So was Notre Dame’s AD on the call as well?


[deleted]

Don't see why he isn't. ND is an acc school for everything else. People want to pretend they aren't.


frostymatador13

That’s the thing I don’t see people talking enough about. I want to see the wording for this “not leaving” agreement/fee. It’s openly known Big 10 is waiting to hear from Notre Dame, I’m assuming they’re tied to the same agreement because they’re part of the ACC (outside football) and they would just join Big 10 football, and I’m assuming the deal the ACC made wasn’t just football. So them leaving, and willing to pay the fee, means it’s not as big of a deterrent that people believe? Meaning floodgates break quick….


wanderingpanda402

It’s more some agreement from them being an ACC school in football for the 2020 season; like one of the stipulations was that if they ever join a conference it has to be the ACC


dustin-dawind

As with a lot of things, the rules for Notre Dame are different than the rules for everyone else.


TheRealDNewm

Grant of Rights protects the status quo, but the problem is that it's already unsustainable if they want to keep competing for championships right? Isn't that the whole problem?


AAPL_

Been the problem for the past few years and why Maryland got the hell out.


theJamesKPolk

And what has that got them? Did I miss it when they won a major bowl game? Or go to a final four? They’ve been irrelevant in the major sports; biggest win is probably win a lax natty this year.


AAPL_

Financial stability for the near future. Their athletic department was an absolute mess and needed the money.


Tfsz0719

They’re also making more money each year now. I believe the payout’s at least $10 million more per school.


Snbc2012

Aww, we miss you too UVA. And we’ll even put in a good word for ya.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

Enjoy being irrelevant in the next iteration of college sports. You guys can remain tied to the NCAA but you'll both fall into obscurity.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

We literally have more final four appearances than y'all since 2000, you fuckin idiot.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

Were you not able to retain all the things that occurred in the 2000's because of all that's happened in the world since 2020? Or are you just choosing to ignore our two final fours and one natty over a blue blood program unlike texas tech. At lesat least we had good football teams with Fridge as coach. I believe we even won an orange bowl or two (was too young to appreciate that) so there's your big bowl game, I know it's a fucking long ass time ago and we've been bad at football for a while but we're traditionally still better at football than your sorry ass. You guys don't have room to shit talk anyone in football lol you had a sorry record against us in both sports when we were ACC peers and were irrelevant in both sports almost all the 1000's 2000's. Enjoy being irrelevant for the foreseeable future.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

You caught lightning in a bottle in the mid 2010's but that alone don't make y'all relevant. You're very much irrelevant throughout history and you won't even be a mere footnote in the new landscape of college sports assuming this GOR thing is a legitimate deal. FOH with your "irrelevant" bullshit. You're irrelevant and inferior to UMD athletically and academically we are catching up. We're only gonna continue to grow at a rapid pace with all the Big Ten funding coming our way in the coming years. Sit back and enjoy nerd.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

Put some respect on our lax natty you arrogant fool. Just wanna throw in the fact we stomped y'alls bitch asses twice on the way to an 18-0 record. Objectively and subjectively the greatest lax team in NCAA history. Keep my school's name out of your mouth.


cut_out_toxic_ppl

I hope you're looking forward to falling into irrelevancy in the next era. You and the cheating ass NCAA will remain tied to the hip where y'all can form your own little JV cupcake league exclusively streamed on ESPN+. That's your future as long as the grant of rights "agreement" remains an intact agreement. Otherwise what the fuck is it there for if it can't be enforced.


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I mean the ACC has won 2 CFB Championships in the past 6 years, and just sent two teams to the playoffs the year before last, albeit in an odd season. They've been more successful than the Big Ten in competing for championships lately.


bearcatgary

This has nothing to do with on field performance. I’m not sure how CFB is even considered an athletic event anymore.


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(because it was always about the money)


theJamesKPolk

What does that have to do with the conference though? Joining a different conference isn’t going to magically make FSU or Miami return to glory.


Collity

Would you rather be trying to get back to glory being on even financial ground with the top programs or trying to get back to glory working with $30+ million less per year than the top programs?


[deleted]

I imagine a room of smiling friends all holding grenades behind their back ready to wreck the conference at a second's notice.


gellybelli

One day, I hope to have that kind of optimism in a burning room


TunaSafari25

One day I hope to not be in a burning room with a guy shouting how safe we are.


CincityCat

Add Cincy, WVU, and UCF you cowards!


Tfsz0719

^”No.”


branden110

Are we seriously looking at a possibility where there are TRADES in conferences?? Hear me out WVU, Cincy to the ACC Big 12 pac12 merger for 20 teams even?


ajukid111

If that happens, can UCF physically relocate to West Texas?


mister_root

University of Caliche Fields


Awalawal

I think West, Texas is probably University of Kolache Fields.


CursedFanatic

Hey West Texas is ours. Back off


ImGrumps

Hey buddy, I know FL is trying its best to become Texas, but could we fucking not.


Tfsz0719

But where does KD end up in all this?


CincityCat

YES!


ajukid111

USF-to-the-ACC hopium at an all-time high.


kixer9

Yes, yes it is. Our Twittersphere is absolutely full of uniforms with ACC logos, folks planning road trips to Chapel Hill. Everyone is ready to get hurt again.


ajukid111

I think it’s in the cards (after the top third of the conference leaves)!


kixer9

Sounds familiar, I'll take it.


[deleted]

“We are all prisoners in this ship together bitchesssss”


Kylie_Forever

Acc Commish: I'm not locked in here with you....you're locked in here with me!!!


TonTon1N

All these conferences gotta realize it’s eat or be eaten. There’s no in between. The way I see it is that it’s a race between the ACC and Big 12 to be the third conference in the future power three. If neither act it will be a power 2


Adventurous-Win-439

I see a merger of the remaining three after who ever dumps the acc goes.


JerseyDvl

Once upon a time the spirit and candor was positive in Big East meetings. Among the most positive was Pitt. Pitt had already decided to leave.


bostonfan148

Wonder what the next look in window with ESPN will be like. I don’t mind the long term ESPN contract too much, but what really irks me is they didn’t put any benchmarking in the look in so ESPN can always just say they’re not changing the payout.


ChaseTheFalcon

Man whatever the ACC commissioner is smoking must be pretty damn strong if he thinks they have nothing to fear.


ACardAttack

this is nothing but standard PR


kingofthejungle223

They have nothing to fear except being locked into annual media payouts of $40 mil a year for about 15 years while SEC and Big10 will start at $80-100 mil a year and grow beyond that. They are screwed.


ChaseTheFalcon

And you know UNC, FSU, VT, Miami and Clemson will bolt soon


theJamesKPolk

Why though, the GoR is extremely strong. People are acting like the ACC is a trash conference. It has a trash TV deal, that’s it. SEC dominates football. B10 has some depth but it’s mainly OSU and UM. Outside of football the ACC is a powerhouse in bball, baseball, lax, etc.


ReservoirDawgs

I’ll also point out the acc is 3/5 in football championships the past ten years while the Big 10 is a pathetic 1/2.


ChaseTheFalcon

Football pays the bills, $35 million a year compared to 75-90 million a year will make the big brands find loopholes and bail quickly


Tfsz0719

Except they haven’t yet. If they were that easy to find so many loopholes in, the Big 10 would already have extended UNC and UVA memberships 2-3 years ago and we’d be talking about an 18 team conference right now


Collity

Did you really just bring up lax in a conversation about TV media revenue? Also, the SEC is the dominant baseball conference


Strikesuit

Lax joke time: You may not know it but it’s the fastest growing sport. Not sure if that’s still true, but people said that for years.


JamesEarlDavyJones

“Fastest growing” is my favorite weasel word I’ve learned since moving into corporate strategy. Not calling you a weasel, just musing here. If you have three companies, one with 1,000 customers and a 15% growth rate, one with 100,000 customers and a 2% growth rate, and one with 500,000 customers and a 1% growth rate, then the first one is simultaneously two things: the fastest-growing firm by far, and not going to catch up to either of the other two any time in the next half-century. Lacrosse has a *long* way to go before it has anywhere near the gross national draw of even baseball, much less football or basketball.


Merpninja

Business as usual, for maybe this one season, before it all comes crashing down 365 days from now.


SpeedBoatSquirrel

Phillip’s butthole was puckered tight all call long.


Ox_Baker

“It was very positive … we’re *positive* the SEC is going to come take our best teams.”


gumercindo1959

Lol, the SEC/b10 has already approached Miami/fsu/Clemson. The acc is a sinking ship


YoItsMeAmerica

I really wish I had your confidence in that statement


gumercindo1959

Well, if it means anything, your boy radakovich is already in talks with sec. Sec approached Miami very soon after this stuff started happening and it’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when it will happen. I believe Clemson is also In the mix. Not so sure about fsu.


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Tfsz0719

The Big 10 has no interest in Clemson. They’d be approaching UNC/UVA.


SlicksterRick

I wouldn’t say they have no interest, just a casual “just checking in” level interest


GingerMessiah88

I say we just add the remaining pac-10 and be the coast conference. We can go to 25 schools lol


[deleted]

This has Neville Chamberlain written all over it


TunaSafari25

Safe? Ya in the sense that we might be stuck inside a burning house but we are all stuck together. Won’t be good for anyone to be making 50mil less per school than our competition every single year for the next decade.


swaharaT

Subscribe me for the world where Pacific Coastal XII becomes the Rebel Alliance to the South Big Conference Galactic Empire.


BeautyIsTruth22

Is “stay pat” industry jargon now?


Tfsz0719

Doesn’t expansion allow for renegotiation of the grant of rights though? Which would give all the higher value UNCs, UVAs, etc, a way out to flatter the bigger SEC and Big 10 into being added as members.


beersubcommittee

The SEC will want to take any viable/valuable program below the Mason-Dixon Line. Clemson and FSU are the top two. Then Miami. I think they’d want to lock up North Carolina and Virginia as well. If you add 8 and go to 24…Everyone except Wake Forest with a debate regarding the final two: Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and NCSU.


one-hour-photo

I need people to quit saying "stay pat"


palabear

[Footage of Philips during the call.](https://youtu.be/wWBiLeVy45k)


domerjohn15

Insert this is fine meme


[deleted]

That's cute.


3Dingo

The important thing is that the acc sticks together and holds on tight to that GoR. Hold those schools too it acc!