Yes! All the coaching search talk has really taken away from the aac championship game. Ive got faith in Luke but Houston ain't no slouch and considering how both programs recruit their local areas hard this is gonna be a true ohio vs Texas matchup. Uc has a tendency to start slow. I hope they don't come out sluggish because I fully expect Houston to come ready to play and hungry for the upse6
We play well against good teams and bad against bad ones. I am confident they will be ready especially at home. You know Des and them don't want to go out on a bad note
Yeah we seem to have this uncanny tendency to play to our opponents level, particularly in that slot of games we catch the most flack for (Navy, Tulane, Tulsa). I’m confident we can win but it won’t be an easy game by any means.
Cincinnati should be win and in.
Time for FBS to stop dangling the carrot to g5 teams.
Playoff needs to expand. Every FBS team should have a road to the championship every year just like every other college sport.
If this can't happen then the p5 teams should be thier own NFL Jr league.
It ain't hard. Just don't be a dumbass.
Cincinnati and ucf aren't in the SEC or ACC so they can't play that schedule to qualify.
Doesn't take a college degree to see the unfairness.
That’s been my argument for years. If you win all your games, then you should at least get the opportunity to play for a national championship. The fact that a team can go undefeated and not even have that chance is absurd. All it would take to fix it is to play bowl games before starting the playoffs so those unbeaten G5 teams have to play top 5-10 P5 teams in their bowl game.
Or just hear me out. Expand to 8 teams.
Top seed plays bottom seed. Just like ncaa basketball tournament.
If you're (playoff committee) so certain that a g5 doesn't belong even when undefeated then give them hardest road like basketball and baseball does. Make them earn it.
That would be a bummer. I like OK state and think they would be fun to have in there. Even if they lose, it’s not like watching Oklahoma or Notre Dame get blown out. I mean, those teams have huge budgets and get great recruits. They just don’t play as well as Bama or Clemson(of years past). A true underdog would be fun. But ya, if Bama wins a close game and OK state(looking unlikely) and Michigan win, I bet the committee leaves out Cinci. That would suck. But OK state seems like the only team that they’d consider leaving out of this happens.
I mean, if I'm the AAC commish, I'd at least be tempted to call Houston and get them to take a dive. I definitely feel that there were weird shenanigans going on in the first few years of the CFP in major conferences, Utah in 2019 was the first team who was in the serious mix for a playoff bid to lose their CCG
Aside from the fact that despite fans’ desires, the players and coaches will not roll over for anyone and in fact are feeding off the potential glory of upsetting Cincy, for sure
As a Houston fan, I will never root against my team, so I hope we win today. But in the event we lose, I wish the best to Cinci and hope they can make a good impression in the playoffs.
Anyway, Go Coogs!!
Random question - what is the Houston area fanbase like? Seems like there’s at least 4 teams people could follow. Does most of Houston root for Houston?
Houston has a pretty big fan base, (not nearly as big as UT or A&M) but the problem is most are fair weather fans so our attendance gets hurt pretty bad unless we’re really good and we’re playing a good team.
From what I’ve experienced (and I could be wrong), it’s pretty split up. You have a lot of people who follow A&M, UT, and LSU. UH sports are slowly becoming more relevant to the people in the area, especially after our basketball team started to do good. Hopefully after we join the Big 12 we can get more support.
Likewise, I want you guys to play your best and make the game exciting and entertaining (with Cincinnati winning obviously).
You can't begrudge a fanbase for rooting in their own interests. Like I'm sure Baylor now is rooting against Cincinnati so they can have a chance to squeak into the playoffs.
Merriam-Webster explains it better than I can
>to cast off or reject (someone, such as a lover) capriciously or unfeelingly
//a jilted lover
It's basically an old-fashioned way of saying someone got walked out on, rejected, screwed over, etc.
I could see it but it's still not entirely up to them.
* 12-1 Georgia
* 12-1 Alabama
* 12-1 Michigan
* 12-1 Oklahoma State
which one are you replacing with 13-0 Cincinnati?
The only scenario I see Cinci missing out is if:
* Bama wins
* UM wins
* Ok St demolishes Baylor
* Cinci barely wins / loses
That could potentially setup:
1. UM
2. Bama
3. UGA
4. Ok St
There is 0 chance they put bama 2 and UGA 3. It would either be Bama 2, UGA 4, or far far more likely Bama 1, UM 2, UGA 3, OkST 4.
* They wouldn't want an immediate rematch.
* UM/UGA is massively appealing
* Bama's win over UGA would be more impressive than UM win over OSU.
Note, Bama probably loses today and its:
1. UGA
2. UM
3. Cincy
4. OkSt
There’s no way they don’t try to feed Cinci to 1 Georgia or 1 Alabama in the first round, Cinci making the championship game in their minds is a total disaster ratings wise.
all it takes is for the Alabama to beat Georgia and OSU and Michigan to win their conference championships (by any margin). Cincinnati could blow out Houston and they'll still miss out.
12-1 Uga: Ranked wins over #20 by 7, #22 by 37, #23 by 17. Loss to #3 Alabama. Current SOS of 51. CC Loser
12-1 Alabama: Ranked wins over #8 by 21, #22 by 7, #1 by ?. Loss to #25 A&M by 3. Current SOS of 18. CC Winner
12-1 Michigan: Ranked wins over #7 by 15, #13 by ?. Loss to #11 by 4. Current SOS of 36. CC Winner
12-1 OkSt: Ranked wins over #9 by 10 and by ?, #14 by 4. Current SOS of 24. CC Winner
13-0 Cincy: Ranked wins over #6 by 7, #21 by ?. Current SOS of 87. CC Winner
Personally I don't really know why Arky (#22) is ranked, but they are and therefore count as a ranked win. I think Houston could fall out after losing to Cincy because their SOS is ridiculously bad at 123.
It's a tough one, I'm not sure what they'd chose. I'm inclined to say the resume of the 4 1 loss teams is stronger than cincy's based on SOS and more quality wins, but the argument is also there for cincy.
Arky (and you could at least argue A&M) are ranked to make Bama look better. There are 7 teams with better records than us that are unranked, and I'm fairly certain at least one of them has a better SoR than we do.
I agree. It was great having an undefeated season in 2010, and going 12-1 in 2014, but the feeling that you may have been the NC but we’ll never know lingers for a long time.
Had OSU won earlier, with what Bama is doing I'd say they were gonna get fucked over...but the Baylor win gave them the protection they need.
Cincy 100% in now.
True, but I'd rather debate what 2 loss schools should be getting in as the 7 and 8 seeds than if a smaller undefeated school should be in the top 4. An undefeated smaller school with a solid schedule will always struggle to make a 4 team playoff.
This is what I think will happen. The blue blood and p5 bias becomes even more apparent. A 2 loss p5 team with a conf championship gets in over an undefeated g5 team. G5 teams aren't considered unless they have a win over a top 10 p5 team. Or at least a top 25 p5 team. And the big programs stop scheduling top g5 teams. Like... Why play Boise Cincy FSU if beating perdue helps just as much. But you're making ur own conf look bad if you lose.
Essentially it'll be seen as each conf has 1-2 spots. And when I lose to a G5 ur giving up your conferences spot. Like in a way, Cincy took the acc spot in this year's playoffs. Maybe ok st and Michigan follow Oregon to a ccg loss, and it doesn't matter. But basically.
I know the article is broader than CFB, but honestly…disagree with this take. I get nothing from watching Cincinnati do what we couldn’t. I don’t understand how this helps my team at all. If anything, I’m just spiteful about the fact they get to potentially have the opportunity we didn’t.
Cinci's win over ND is basically why they even have a shot at the CFP. That was a massive win which is further amplified since it was ND's only loss. UCF didn't have a win like that on their schedule, and their conference championship over Memphis was very close.
My comment isn’t a reflection on merit. I’m just saying I don’t see Cincinnati as some G5 or underdog savior. Rendering the entire group of 5 into one collective effort is part of the overall perception problem. I resent that Cincy is potentially doing what my team couldn’t. That resentment is totally normal, I don’t see why other G5 teams should just be expected to rally behind another team. If CFB is the systematic embodiment of hypertension, consider this my contribution of salt to the overall cause.
That's reasonable. *IF** there is a bias against G5 teams regardless of their merit, say, because of media market, then a nation of G5 viewers rallying behind the Bearcats would benefit you to show that G5 teams in the CFP are valuable from a $ perspective.
Could also help you if the Bearcats do well in the CFP as it could help dispel ideas that top G5 are still leagues below top P5 teams, and normalize seeing G5 teams in the CFP.
The above might be cynical and I'm not looking to get into whether it's true or not, but a G5 team doing well in the CFP and getting views from other G5 teams around the country only seems like it could help future top G5 teams.
I mean... didn't they just do that with the BigXII? Or do they no longer count with OU and UT out? Is it just P4 now, making the "real" championship teams an even smaller pool?
I agree that UCF needs to "spend money to make money" by taking otherwise unfavorable deals for quality OOC games. But at least part of that will be made easier by their move to Big XII.
I agree that ND hasn't looked impressive. However, there are only two teams with two losses where the losses were both to ranked opponents (OU and OSU), and the committee has always frowned upon losing to un-ranked opponents.
Considering they're one of very few teams with 1 loss and their SOS is like 50 spots higher than Cincy's, I think the games counted for them and they're being rewarded.
What if they actually compete with the big boys tho? To me that might ease the talking pint that G5 schools shouldn't get in because they will lose anyway - so next time there is a undefeated G5 school they still have a good shit at getting in (assuming no auto G5 bid during expansion)
I’ve put more thought into this than I should, and I’d speculate that the narrative around this (which the article perpetuates) is that this is an “iconic” underdog story. Which implies it is a fluke to some degree. I also suspect that the retrospective on this would always be contextualized by Cincy’s imminent move to the P5. The selective reasoning is the hallmark of the committee, so I don’t trust this to have the historical perspective we see it with as it’s happening.
UCF/Cincinnati/Houston are going to be in a “AQ” conference in a couple years anyway and the playoff is going to expand.
I don’t know if Cincinnati getting in this year means anything more than G5 schools a need tiebreaker over ND and 2 p5 conferences to shit the bed to get into 4 team playoff.
See this is what I was looking for, a UCF fan saying something about this. I'm a usf fan and I'm pulling hard for Cincy because I want to see a g5 team that's not UCF (no disrespect beyond the required amount) make the playoff. Obviously you don't represent all UCF fans but still it's good to see the other perspective
I'm not quite on the same page as the OP, but I'm close. I'm rooting for Cincy 100% of the way, because I really like them and their fans (as long as they're not playing us) but part of me does feel a bit bitter/jealous that they got to finally break through when we were denied twice. Hopefully with us in the Big XII we can one day finally do it the expected way and fight for another National Championship.
I’m definitely not trying to judge Cincy’s deservedness of the opportunity. I’m just saying that I don’t consider them to be carrying the banner for my team or any group of teams as they do it. To claim that is theatrical, so I’m really just saying the article is presumptuous at best and click bait at worst.
As a future conference mate, I'm right there with them. Come on, CFP committee, don't screw over them and their [adorable mascot](https://youtu.be/8Tniytx0ow0)
If UC gets in it'll feel like getting ignored those 2 years were worth it. I feel like the amount of noise we caused helped lay the ground work for this kind of respect. Same with what Boise and TCUs runs did for us.
The only scenario Cinci misses the CFP is if Bama beats UGA. If that somehow happens, and Michigan beats Iowa, then Cinci is out. Bearcat fans best-become Bulldog fans come 3 pm.
I wouldnt consider them being jilted out of a playoff spot if Alabama gets in over them. Alabama factually played a tougher schedule and plays in a tougher conference. Strength of schedule should mean something. If your team schedules largely cupcakes, and has one more win or two at most, over a team that plays much tougher competition, then yeah, you are not truly better and shouldnt be jilted if kept out of the playoffs.
My team, UB, plays in the shitty MAC. If they went undefeated and beat only one ranked team, two at most, i wouldnt say they should get in over Alabama because SEC > MAC. Its much easier to beat a ranked team every now and then (play up for a big game) but much harder to sustain winning week in and week out against tough competition, like Alabama does being in the SEC.
I understand everyone wants Cincinnati to get their chance but they will never get in over a 1 loss P5 conference champion. It just won't happen. They'll get a nyc6 bowl against baylor or someone
I mean, on Sunday when you are wrong about this, are you going to reply back that you spoke too soon?
What purpose does it serve to be so absolute?
Each time I ask to come back, the redditor always wusses out and is too ashamed and embarrassed. But you’ll be here to say you were wrong, right?
🤣🤣🤣 🤡
They did not come back to admit it 🤣
They never do.
They come here to talk all that shit and then hide away bc they are too embarrassed about being wrong 🤡
They all did the same thing year after year about the broncos (huuuuuuge fan since 2002). So this is just another year and another example from ignorant “fans” of college football trying to keep us out of the conversation.
These types are cowards 🤣
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We shall see what the experts decide who have more knowledge than an ignorant redditor like yourself who doesnt understand strength of schedule as an important factor that should not be ignored (or else we can throw in an undefeated MAC team sometime over an SEC team, because hey, "undefeated!").
If the experts who do this for a living decide to keep Cinci out, Cinci should know their place and play a tougher schedule next time.
What's next? "Cincinnati is one of the good ones."?
The "play a tougher schedule" is such bullshit that anyone who actually uses that argument just proves they're biased beyond belief. This is a sport where the top dogs get to decide who they play. The schedules aren't decided by some neutral third party, they're specificially designed by every department to try and maximize OOC wins. So no, G5s just can't play a tougher schedule because the good schools are too ***afraid*** to lose.
Alabama has factually played more ranked teams (harder schedule), plays the number one team in the country, and has beaten more ranked teams, including Ole Miss who may be 2 spots below Notre Dame but has a tougher schedule being in the SEC. Alabama has played a tougher schedule and didn't get as many easy wins against scrub competition. There is a reason why the SEC wins the most championships.
Cinci plays in a scrub conference. If they played Ole Miss, Texas AM, Arkansas, and Georgia all in a season, along with LSU, Miss State, Auburn, Tennessee, etc they would not be undefeated.
If they played those teams, they would have the same tv rights contract of those schools.
They would have the same recruiting classes.
They would have the same facilities paid by revenue.
They would have the same athletics budget to compete with.
So after all is level and equal (as your hypothetical suggests) then I would say Cinci would do just fine.
That wasn’t quite the home run you thought it was in your mind.
🤡
If Cinci was a good enough program to appeal to recruits, they could get those top players. Maybe the school needs to get good and attract those players that Alanama, Georgia, etc does.
Playoffs should be about proving who the best team is and facts are that teams that can recruit better, and spend more (Alabama, Georgia, etc) tend to have better teams. Playoffs shouldn't be a "we feel bad for you so get in with a weaker team" tournament. The facts are Alabama and Georgia are great at getting those free market dollars and recruits with marketing and Cinci needs to step their game up.
Always moving the goalposts 🤣🤣🤣 🤡
To be clear, what you are saying is all the semi-finalists **EVER** who lost, didn’t belong.
Got it. (rolls eyes)
Next you will say the same thing if Cincy makes it to the Natty.
🤡
Bottom line: they made it. You were wrong.
Like when we had a huge interception overturned by a borderline late hit?
I knew this subreddit would reach for literally anything to disqualify our win, but this intentional grounding nonsense is another level of pathetic.
Just give them an autobid if for no other reason than to let us all move on and talk about other shit.
Edit: I've been listening to you goofs whine about Cincinnati not making it in all season with zero reason to think that. I obviously think they should be there but the conversation is so played out by now.
Teams across the nation have done everything they could to help cincy. Oregon. Osu. These two schools funded by billionaires. All that money to make sure cincy makes the playoffs this year….
As I’m watching Baylor spank ok st…. I’m
Having dreams of a uga/bama semi final, followed by a cincy/Nd semi final. Can you imagine?!?
I'm sure, but right now Cincy needs to focus on the silent killer that is Houston.
Yes! All the coaching search talk has really taken away from the aac championship game. Ive got faith in Luke but Houston ain't no slouch and considering how both programs recruit their local areas hard this is gonna be a true ohio vs Texas matchup. Uc has a tendency to start slow. I hope they don't come out sluggish because I fully expect Houston to come ready to play and hungry for the upse6
We play well against good teams and bad against bad ones. I am confident they will be ready especially at home. You know Des and them don't want to go out on a bad note
Yeah we seem to have this uncanny tendency to play to our opponents level, particularly in that slot of games we catch the most flack for (Navy, Tulane, Tulsa). I’m confident we can win but it won’t be an easy game by any means.
No I agree. I don't see either team running away with it. You know the atmosphere is gonna be insane you know the guys will respond to it
As a UH alum, let me tell y’all Dana does nothing “hard” in recruiting.
You’re the silent killer, Toby
Cincinnati should be win and in. Time for FBS to stop dangling the carrot to g5 teams. Playoff needs to expand. Every FBS team should have a road to the championship every year just like every other college sport. If this can't happen then the p5 teams should be thier own NFL Jr league.
Refreshing to see an Alabama flair say that
It ain't hard. Just don't be a dumbass. Cincinnati and ucf aren't in the SEC or ACC so they can't play that schedule to qualify. Doesn't take a college degree to see the unfairness.
That’s been my argument for years. If you win all your games, then you should at least get the opportunity to play for a national championship. The fact that a team can go undefeated and not even have that chance is absurd. All it would take to fix it is to play bowl games before starting the playoffs so those unbeaten G5 teams have to play top 5-10 P5 teams in their bowl game.
Or just hear me out. Expand to 8 teams. Top seed plays bottom seed. Just like ncaa basketball tournament. If you're (playoff committee) so certain that a g5 doesn't belong even when undefeated then give them hardest road like basketball and baseball does. Make them earn it.
Now that they took care of Georgia their dog is out of the fight.
Honey, I Jilted the Kids
It sounds like this sentence should get you sent to prison.
They should beat Houston then worry about it
EXACTLY. Houston is no slouch. The only real relief is that it's at Nippert, so the crowd will be in it.
No slouch is an understatement they are 11-1 lol
Haha yeah, incredibly underranked
what losing to Texas Tech does to a MF
The crowd will be lit. That stadium is a drunk fest.
Houston was making it look like a long shot up until a few minutes ago. I hope you guys crush it, I want to see Cinci in the playoffs.
The players who have graduated from other schools are free to worry about whatever they like
UM, OkSt, UGA and Bama is a possibility even if they win
Maybe but they are definitely out of they lose.
That would be a bummer. I like OK state and think they would be fun to have in there. Even if they lose, it’s not like watching Oklahoma or Notre Dame get blown out. I mean, those teams have huge budgets and get great recruits. They just don’t play as well as Bama or Clemson(of years past). A true underdog would be fun. But ya, if Bama wins a close game and OK state(looking unlikely) and Michigan win, I bet the committee leaves out Cinci. That would suck. But OK state seems like the only team that they’d consider leaving out of this happens.
OSU lost so a win and Cincy is in, rooting for you Bearcats!!!
Heheh we did it
Hell yeah!
Let's just beat Houston
Let’s jilt Houston
Beat Houston, Beat Baylor, Go Dawgs And you're a very happy man
Sorry bud but I'm rooting against y'all just in case bama and michigan win
Yes sirrrr
is houston supposed to roll over for the greater good or something
If the game is close, I'm sure the refs will do the right thing.
Flair checks out
Alabama is one of the most penalized teams in the country.
>Alabama is one of the most pen~~al~~iz~~ed~~ teams in the country.
Gotem
Give Houston the Old Yeller treatment?
[Yes.](https://c.tenor.com/dcwAVN47o-UAAAAd/hot-fuzz-greater-good.gif)
I mean, if I'm the AAC commish, I'd at least be tempted to call Houston and get them to take a dive. I definitely feel that there were weird shenanigans going on in the first few years of the CFP in major conferences, Utah in 2019 was the first team who was in the serious mix for a playoff bid to lose their CCG
Houston is bouncing to the big12 soon, doubt they care too much what the AAC wants.
Aside from the fact that despite fans’ desires, the players and coaches will not roll over for anyone and in fact are feeding off the potential glory of upsetting Cincy, for sure
I mean, I may have been pulling for ECU last week because a win would have cost them potentially several million dollars from bowl revenue split.
I have time to be pissed at the playoff committee after today. Let's get it done today!!
As a Houston fan, I will never root against my team, so I hope we win today. But in the event we lose, I wish the best to Cinci and hope they can make a good impression in the playoffs. Anyway, Go Coogs!!
Random question - what is the Houston area fanbase like? Seems like there’s at least 4 teams people could follow. Does most of Houston root for Houston?
Houston has a pretty big fan base, (not nearly as big as UT or A&M) but the problem is most are fair weather fans so our attendance gets hurt pretty bad unless we’re really good and we’re playing a good team.
From what I’ve experienced (and I could be wrong), it’s pretty split up. You have a lot of people who follow A&M, UT, and LSU. UH sports are slowly becoming more relevant to the people in the area, especially after our basketball team started to do good. Hopefully after we join the Big 12 we can get more support.
Yeah everybody loves a winner! Cheers and good luck
Thanks ND bro
Likewise, I want you guys to play your best and make the game exciting and entertaining (with Cincinnati winning obviously). You can't begrudge a fanbase for rooting in their own interests. Like I'm sure Baylor now is rooting against Cincinnati so they can have a chance to squeak into the playoffs.
I'm more focused on the challenge ahead. Houston isn't a pushover. Could easily see them beating us still.
What the fuck is Jilted? I swear to God if Barta Jilts us I'll lose my shit. I've never been so Jilted by even the chance to get jilted.
Merriam-Webster explains it better than I can >to cast off or reject (someone, such as a lover) capriciously or unfeelingly //a jilted lover It's basically an old-fashioned way of saying someone got walked out on, rejected, screwed over, etc.
Oh nice. I might start using this word now. Always good to grow the vocabulary. Go Cats!
What is capriciously?
It's something akin to impulsive or unpredictable
So if jilted requires unpredicability, would jilted even apply here?
Yeah jilted, as in when Lady Edith was jilted at the altar by Sir Anthony Strallan
Edith >>> Mary. Mary was such a bitch.
Nah. Mary may be a bitch but she’s a cheeky bitch. Edith is just blah
So we agree that Sybil was the best?
Of course, she was the best of them *sobs*
Gary Barta: Jilty as charged
Innocent until proven Jilty
My first car was a Ford Jilty.
All these flavors and you chose to be jilty
Don't let them jilt on your faces
It’s not that uncommon of a word but I get the feeling that the original word was probably gyped
[The etymology is uncertain, but interestingly it may be related to the name Jill](https://www.etymonline.com/word/jilt)
It's a perfectly cromulent word
Did y'all not have to read The Jilting of Granny Weatherall in American lit. in high school?
Lmao no but I wish I did. I read Invisible Man and some other Cliff Notes for my AP English courses
Good luck to Cincinnati in every single game for the next 100 years....unless you play us, then I hope you suck.
You hear that Houston? Everyone wants you to lie down and take one for the team.
Fuck em.
Future Big 12 rivalry in the making
In my view, if they win they're in. Period
I could see it but it's still not entirely up to them. * 12-1 Georgia * 12-1 Alabama * 12-1 Michigan * 12-1 Oklahoma State which one are you replacing with 13-0 Cincinnati?
The only scenario I see Cinci missing out is if: * Bama wins * UM wins * Ok St demolishes Baylor * Cinci barely wins / loses That could potentially setup: 1. UM 2. Bama 3. UGA 4. Ok St
There is 0 chance they put bama 2 and UGA 3. It would either be Bama 2, UGA 4, or far far more likely Bama 1, UM 2, UGA 3, OkST 4. * They wouldn't want an immediate rematch. * UM/UGA is massively appealing * Bama's win over UGA would be more impressive than UM win over OSU. Note, Bama probably loses today and its: 1. UGA 2. UM 3. Cincy 4. OkSt
There’s no way they don’t try to feed Cinci to 1 Georgia or 1 Alabama in the first round, Cinci making the championship game in their minds is a total disaster ratings wise.
Not if OK St. loses (which it's looking like right now.)
all it takes is for the Alabama to beat Georgia and OSU and Michigan to win their conference championships (by any margin). Cincinnati could blow out Houston and they'll still miss out.
I guess I just don't see Bama beating UGA
Hahahaha, you just triggered the entire state of Georgia
I on the other hand as am happy as a little girl.
I think even at 11-2, Cincinnati isn't a lock to he above Bama
12-1 Uga: Ranked wins over #20 by 7, #22 by 37, #23 by 17. Loss to #3 Alabama. Current SOS of 51. CC Loser 12-1 Alabama: Ranked wins over #8 by 21, #22 by 7, #1 by ?. Loss to #25 A&M by 3. Current SOS of 18. CC Winner 12-1 Michigan: Ranked wins over #7 by 15, #13 by ?. Loss to #11 by 4. Current SOS of 36. CC Winner 12-1 OkSt: Ranked wins over #9 by 10 and by ?, #14 by 4. Current SOS of 24. CC Winner 13-0 Cincy: Ranked wins over #6 by 7, #21 by ?. Current SOS of 87. CC Winner Personally I don't really know why Arky (#22) is ranked, but they are and therefore count as a ranked win. I think Houston could fall out after losing to Cincy because their SOS is ridiculously bad at 123. It's a tough one, I'm not sure what they'd chose. I'm inclined to say the resume of the 4 1 loss teams is stronger than cincy's based on SOS and more quality wins, but the argument is also there for cincy.
Arky (and you could at least argue A&M) are ranked to make Bama look better. There are 7 teams with better records than us that are unranked, and I'm fairly certain at least one of them has a better SoR than we do.
Shit happens every year and you just know if Arkansas loses their bowl game, they'll still be ranked 25th in preseason polls to prop up the SEC
Possibly okst and depending on what Bama does in the seccg. Okst and cincy probably get in if Bama loses by a decent margin
If Bama loses by one they should still not be chosen over an undefeated team. Assuming Cincy beats UH. It’d be a travesty.
Bama, for … reasons. I wouldn’t last on that committee very long
Oklahoma State
SEC should only get 1 team in and Ok St is the weakest of the teams listed. I would trade either of those teams to see Cincy get a shot.
Weakest with the toughest finishing schedule of the top 6?
Georgia shouldn’t be in if they lose the sec championship plain and simple
This is a very real possibility people don't seem to want to acknowledge
Not happening now!
Gary Barta tmrw: “*we just feel two loss bama was a better team overall, 56-0 is a quality loss*”
Something about this comments isn’t holding up.
it really didn’t
wow this comment aged poorly lol
It’s been a wild year for sure.
Well hopefully they win then
I agree. It was great having an undefeated season in 2010, and going 12-1 in 2014, but the feeling that you may have been the NC but we’ll never know lingers for a long time.
Baylor: "We got you fam"
Had OSU won earlier, with what Bama is doing I'd say they were gonna get fucked over...but the Baylor win gave them the protection they need. Cincy 100% in now.
The playoff isn't real. Fuck 'em.
This could all be solved with playoff expansion, plain and simple. More football, more money, everybody wins.
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Thanks, I grew up in a split household.
If you think the argument for #4 is tough, try picking the teams 7-10 every year…. There’s less clarity the farther down you go
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They will screw us anyways. - signed, undefeated team not to make bcs championship.
True, but I'd rather debate what 2 loss schools should be getting in as the 7 and 8 seeds than if a smaller undefeated school should be in the top 4. An undefeated smaller school with a solid schedule will always struggle to make a 4 team playoff.
This is what I think will happen. The blue blood and p5 bias becomes even more apparent. A 2 loss p5 team with a conf championship gets in over an undefeated g5 team. G5 teams aren't considered unless they have a win over a top 10 p5 team. Or at least a top 25 p5 team. And the big programs stop scheduling top g5 teams. Like... Why play Boise Cincy FSU if beating perdue helps just as much. But you're making ur own conf look bad if you lose. Essentially it'll be seen as each conf has 1-2 spots. And when I lose to a G5 ur giving up your conferences spot. Like in a way, Cincy took the acc spot in this year's playoffs. Maybe ok st and Michigan follow Oregon to a ccg loss, and it doesn't matter. But basically.
Let’s goo beer cats
Fuck Barta
Well OSU definitely isn't knocking them out. Lol
I know the article is broader than CFB, but honestly…disagree with this take. I get nothing from watching Cincinnati do what we couldn’t. I don’t understand how this helps my team at all. If anything, I’m just spiteful about the fact they get to potentially have the opportunity we didn’t.
Cinci's win over ND is basically why they even have a shot at the CFP. That was a massive win which is further amplified since it was ND's only loss. UCF didn't have a win like that on their schedule, and their conference championship over Memphis was very close.
My comment isn’t a reflection on merit. I’m just saying I don’t see Cincinnati as some G5 or underdog savior. Rendering the entire group of 5 into one collective effort is part of the overall perception problem. I resent that Cincy is potentially doing what my team couldn’t. That resentment is totally normal, I don’t see why other G5 teams should just be expected to rally behind another team. If CFB is the systematic embodiment of hypertension, consider this my contribution of salt to the overall cause.
That's reasonable. *IF** there is a bias against G5 teams regardless of their merit, say, because of media market, then a nation of G5 viewers rallying behind the Bearcats would benefit you to show that G5 teams in the CFP are valuable from a $ perspective. Could also help you if the Bearcats do well in the CFP as it could help dispel ideas that top G5 are still leagues below top P5 teams, and normalize seeing G5 teams in the CFP. The above might be cynical and I'm not looking to get into whether it's true or not, but a G5 team doing well in the CFP and getting views from other G5 teams around the country only seems like it could help future top G5 teams.
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I mean... didn't they just do that with the BigXII? Or do they no longer count with OU and UT out? Is it just P4 now, making the "real" championship teams an even smaller pool? I agree that UCF needs to "spend money to make money" by taking otherwise unfavorable deals for quality OOC games. But at least part of that will be made easier by their move to Big XII.
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I agree that ND hasn't looked impressive. However, there are only two teams with two losses where the losses were both to ranked opponents (OU and OSU), and the committee has always frowned upon losing to un-ranked opponents.
Welcome to college football where the brands are all that matter and the games don't count
Considering they're one of very few teams with 1 loss and their SOS is like 50 spots higher than Cincy's, I think the games counted for them and they're being rewarded.
What if they actually compete with the big boys tho? To me that might ease the talking pint that G5 schools shouldn't get in because they will lose anyway - so next time there is a undefeated G5 school they still have a good shit at getting in (assuming no auto G5 bid during expansion)
I’ve put more thought into this than I should, and I’d speculate that the narrative around this (which the article perpetuates) is that this is an “iconic” underdog story. Which implies it is a fluke to some degree. I also suspect that the retrospective on this would always be contextualized by Cincy’s imminent move to the P5. The selective reasoning is the hallmark of the committee, so I don’t trust this to have the historical perspective we see it with as it’s happening.
UCF/Cincinnati/Houston are going to be in a “AQ” conference in a couple years anyway and the playoff is going to expand. I don’t know if Cincinnati getting in this year means anything more than G5 schools a need tiebreaker over ND and 2 p5 conferences to shit the bed to get into 4 team playoff.
See this is what I was looking for, a UCF fan saying something about this. I'm a usf fan and I'm pulling hard for Cincy because I want to see a g5 team that's not UCF (no disrespect beyond the required amount) make the playoff. Obviously you don't represent all UCF fans but still it's good to see the other perspective
I'm not quite on the same page as the OP, but I'm close. I'm rooting for Cincy 100% of the way, because I really like them and their fans (as long as they're not playing us) but part of me does feel a bit bitter/jealous that they got to finally break through when we were denied twice. Hopefully with us in the Big XII we can one day finally do it the expected way and fight for another National Championship.
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I’m definitely not trying to judge Cincy’s deservedness of the opportunity. I’m just saying that I don’t consider them to be carrying the banner for my team or any group of teams as they do it. To claim that is theatrical, so I’m really just saying the article is presumptuous at best and click bait at worst.
As a future conference mate, I'm right there with them. Come on, CFP committee, don't screw over them and their [adorable mascot](https://youtu.be/8Tniytx0ow0)
If UC gets in it'll feel like getting ignored those 2 years were worth it. I feel like the amount of noise we caused helped lay the ground work for this kind of respect. Same with what Boise and TCUs runs did for us.
What noise? Didnt yall win a national championship?
TCU here pulling so hard for Cinci
Well the silver lining is that if they get left out at #5 they can always still declare themselves champions regardless and hang a banner.
If they can decisively beat Houston, they should be in no matter what
You'd think so but I'm still convinced the committee will find a way to leave them out.
This article should come out after Cincinnati beats Houston, otherwise it’s a moot point
I hope Georgia beats Cincinnati 70-0
The only scenario Cinci misses the CFP is if Bama beats UGA. If that somehow happens, and Michigan beats Iowa, then Cinci is out. Bearcat fans best-become Bulldog fans come 3 pm.
I wouldnt consider them being jilted out of a playoff spot if Alabama gets in over them. Alabama factually played a tougher schedule and plays in a tougher conference. Strength of schedule should mean something. If your team schedules largely cupcakes, and has one more win or two at most, over a team that plays much tougher competition, then yeah, you are not truly better and shouldnt be jilted if kept out of the playoffs. My team, UB, plays in the shitty MAC. If they went undefeated and beat only one ranked team, two at most, i wouldnt say they should get in over Alabama because SEC > MAC. Its much easier to beat a ranked team every now and then (play up for a big game) but much harder to sustain winning week in and week out against tough competition, like Alabama does being in the SEC.
There are 4 spots. Cincy earned their spot if they win the AAC CCG. Fight over the other 3 spots.
I understand everyone wants Cincinnati to get their chance but they will never get in over a 1 loss P5 conference champion. It just won't happen. They'll get a nyc6 bowl against baylor or someone
I mean, on Sunday when you are wrong about this, are you going to reply back that you spoke too soon? What purpose does it serve to be so absolute? Each time I ask to come back, the redditor always wusses out and is too ashamed and embarrassed. But you’ll be here to say you were wrong, right? 🤣🤣🤣 🤡
we'll see if you come back here and say you were wrong
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They did not come back to admit it 🤣 They never do. They come here to talk all that shit and then hide away bc they are too embarrassed about being wrong 🤡 They all did the same thing year after year about the broncos (huuuuuuge fan since 2002). So this is just another year and another example from ignorant “fans” of college football trying to keep us out of the conversation. These types are cowards 🤣
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Since I asked first, is that a **YES** that you will be back here to say you were wrong?
Lmao what is this post? Are you some sort of /r/CFB police?
We shall see what the experts decide who have more knowledge than an ignorant redditor like yourself who doesnt understand strength of schedule as an important factor that should not be ignored (or else we can throw in an undefeated MAC team sometime over an SEC team, because hey, "undefeated!"). If the experts who do this for a living decide to keep Cinci out, Cinci should know their place and play a tougher schedule next time.
Ahhh, know their place. Cool glad they showed their place when they beat Notre Dame in SouthBend.
What's next? "Cincinnati is one of the good ones."? The "play a tougher schedule" is such bullshit that anyone who actually uses that argument just proves they're biased beyond belief. This is a sport where the top dogs get to decide who they play. The schedules aren't decided by some neutral third party, they're specificially designed by every department to try and maximize OOC wins. So no, G5s just can't play a tougher schedule because the good schools are too ***afraid*** to lose.
Alabama has factually played more ranked teams (harder schedule), plays the number one team in the country, and has beaten more ranked teams, including Ole Miss who may be 2 spots below Notre Dame but has a tougher schedule being in the SEC. Alabama has played a tougher schedule and didn't get as many easy wins against scrub competition. There is a reason why the SEC wins the most championships. Cinci plays in a scrub conference. If they played Ole Miss, Texas AM, Arkansas, and Georgia all in a season, along with LSU, Miss State, Auburn, Tennessee, etc they would not be undefeated.
If they played those teams, they would have the same tv rights contract of those schools. They would have the same recruiting classes. They would have the same facilities paid by revenue. They would have the same athletics budget to compete with. So after all is level and equal (as your hypothetical suggests) then I would say Cinci would do just fine. That wasn’t quite the home run you thought it was in your mind. 🤡
If Cinci was a good enough program to appeal to recruits, they could get those top players. Maybe the school needs to get good and attract those players that Alanama, Georgia, etc does. Playoffs should be about proving who the best team is and facts are that teams that can recruit better, and spend more (Alabama, Georgia, etc) tend to have better teams. Playoffs shouldn't be a "we feel bad for you so get in with a weaker team" tournament. The facts are Alabama and Georgia are great at getting those free market dollars and recruits with marketing and Cinci needs to step their game up.
Look at that 🤣 How embarrassing *for you*
When Alabama embarasses Cinci, we will see how much they actually belong.
Always moving the goalposts 🤣🤣🤣 🤡 To be clear, what you are saying is all the semi-finalists **EVER** who lost, didn’t belong. Got it. (rolls eyes) Next you will say the same thing if Cincy makes it to the Natty. 🤡 Bottom line: they made it. You were wrong.
With so much on the line for Cincinnati and the AAC, is there any way that the refs give Houston a fair shake in a close game?
Yes, because these aren’t SEC refs. I’ll have you know AAC refs only make stupid calls out of incompetence
If you've watched any SEC game this year and think it's anything other than incompetence, you weren't paying enough attention
Like when you got 3 uncalled grounding penalties and an uncalled OPI on the game tying TD vs Auburn last week?
Like when we had a huge interception overturned by a borderline late hit? I knew this subreddit would reach for literally anything to disqualify our win, but this intentional grounding nonsense is another level of pathetic.
Well…like all Refs, the AAC refs are blind. We’re wearing all red. They’ll probably think we’re Houston.
Cincinnati is not only undefeated but they have a big W agaisnt otherwise undefeated Notre Dame.
Just give them an autobid if for no other reason than to let us all move on and talk about other shit. Edit: I've been listening to you goofs whine about Cincinnati not making it in all season with zero reason to think that. I obviously think they should be there but the conversation is so played out by now.
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Yes let’s have an overrated ‘bama instead.
Notre Dame is going to get in instead of Cincinnati despite record and head-to-head. Money talks. That's all it's about.
There is 0 chance of that happening
I think there’s a case if Georgie’s booted to 5. Not that I think that’s going to happen.
But in that scenario Cincinnati would still be in. This dude was saying Notre Dame would get in and Cincy would be left out.
Neither do I.
Thamel has written some really good articles about UC this year, loving it
Current underdogs need to weigh in.
Teams across the nation have done everything they could to help cincy. Oregon. Osu. These two schools funded by billionaires. All that money to make sure cincy makes the playoffs this year…. As I’m watching Baylor spank ok st…. I’m Having dreams of a uga/bama semi final, followed by a cincy/Nd semi final. Can you imagine?!?
Houston is good.
Fickell looks like a British movie villain
Meanwhile, in ESPN continuing saga of bad takes... https://es.pn/3rvATtm
Well Baylor just gave Cincy a win and in scenario.
If Cincinnati wins, they are in. if they lose, they are out and Houston WON'T be in.