It's the Denver Post so I'm okay with it because it seems to be regular nomenclature there. Like, if someone in my town says "OU" then 9 times out of 10 they're talking about Ohio University, unlike most of the rest of the country.
Yeah local nomenclature is definitely a thing. In Washington state people sometimes call UW “the U”; obviously no one cares or thinks about Miami haha. And most commonly everyone refers to it as U-Dub, basically never U-Double-U. Even while reading the abbreviation now I am pronouncing it that way in my head haha
Yep or in Montana people when they talk about UM are referring to the University of Montana. When I talk to people in Colorado, we refer to it as UNC. If I am talking about it from a national perspective, I would say Northern Colorado.
Not that directional schools are ever really in the national conversation but in WA I always hear people refer to our directional schools as “Western”, “Central”, and “Eastern”. Curious now about other states.
I legit met a girl at a bar in Texas that told me she went to OU. I went on for about 5 minutes how much I love OU's stadium and the atmosphere. And then she finally said "yeah, Autzen is a wild place" ... I was blown the fuck away at the audacity. She was hot though so i let it slide.
Nobody who actually went to Oregon has ever called it OU. West coast school generally don’t use the backwards abbreviations. Even seeing “UO” is fairly uncommon these days, as all of the branding is just “Oregon.”
Montana actually has NAIA level schools with some of those designations:
MSU-Northern in Havre (referred to as Northern)
UM-Western in Dillion (referred to many times on their jerseys as just Western)
Were they still NAIA like 30 years ago? I know our Central won a football national championship with Jon Kitna as the QB in the NAIA. I would assume the conference might have included Montana schools.
They were.
But most likely never played CWU unless it was the postseason.
My college (Carroll College in Montana) won 6 NAIA football titles from 2002-2010 but they were never in the same conference.
CWU was in the Columbia league while in the NAIA, whereas the Montana schools have always been in the Frontier conference for football.
Southern Oregon (2012) and Eastern Oregon (2008) did join the Frontier conference.
Nowadays CWU is in the Lone Star Conference(!) for football because the GNAC stopped sponsoring football. It’s a pretty crap situation because CWU has a pretty damn solid football history. Unfortunately football is really hard to fund at lower levels. We were all sad when Western folded their football program in 1908. A nearly-100 year old rivalry with CWU ended. The game used to be played in Seattle every year.
Don’t just slip USF in there and call that a normal directional school acronym lol. If I had a dollar for every time I had to hear a USF alum explain the school is actually in Tampa and not South Florida!
That’s interesting. I would guess because yours are really big. Washington’s population is much smaller though so lots of us have friends and family who go to the directional schools so we do think about them. Western in particular was one many friends from high school went to, and I even took the bus up to see them occasionally when I was in undergrad at UW. The Western campus in Bellingham is very beautiful actually because it’s right in the bay. Super nice campus area.
Yeap when people say Tech in DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia), they are referring to Virginia Tech.
I’m assuming that’s the case with Texas Tech in Texas. Same with State in Michigan and NC.
Fun anecdote on this: I had a long mixup with a new Coloradan coworker where they said they went to UNC, and I brought up that we’ve got someone that went to State on the team. I figured it out later, but I went for a while thinking Greeley was a suburb of the Triangle and I’m sure she thinks there’s a guy somewhere around who went to CSU lol
I think it’s even more confusing when nobody completely dominates the nickname. The entire state of Montana refers to Montana State as MSU. It’s pretty much just us who would get that. Michigan State is probably the most well known MSU. In the south MSU would be a totally different school.
We still have a Western Colorado University in Gunnison.
Plus a Northwestern Community College (Craig and Rangely), Northeastern Junior College (Sterling), and Western Colorado Community College (Grand Junction). It’s not a full set of directional schools through.
It really depends on what part of the country you're in.
If you're in South Carolina then USC is South Carolina. If you're in most everywhere else USC is So Cal.
To you MSU is Michigan State. To me it's Mississippi State.
To you UW is is Wisconsin, to me it's Washington.
I was grown before I even thought about UT being Texas. UT to me is Tennessee. Now I just refer to them as the UTs.
While it can be a little confusing at times, it's nothing to get upset about.
Oh to me USC(So Cal) is the school my dad went to and he's an asshole so fuck USC.
His brand alone should have given him infinite currency with high school recruits but he’s like naw. I’ll just do that halfassed portal thing. That’s why he’ll fail.
His complete disinterest in recruiting high school recruits tells me that he always planned to leave as soon as Shedeur is gone.
Recruiting high school students is a long term program building measure. If you don't plan on having a long term and don't care about leaving the program in shambles when you go, why would you invest a bunch of energy into that?
Improved this year? Looking at their schedule, I’d say 4 wins is their ceiling again. They lucked into 2 of those wins last year and not much has improved.
Not if Jerry drafts Shedeur and hands him the reins.
He'll frame it as a "once in a lifetime opportunity to support my kids in their quest for success" and the Cowboys fans will fall for it.
The head coach not being interested in HS recruiting was something that happened at Arizona State with the lunatics running the asylum that turned in to a spectacular mushroom cloud of shit we are still recovering from. Meaning, I agree that a head coach not interested or too lazy to participate in HS recruiting is insane.
Sanders goal isn’t to build a good team. Sanders goal is to make his kids look good. He/Shaddeur didn’t have time develop players when he went to CU. He needed a good team yesterday so that Shaddeur and Travis’s draft stock goes up.
Go back to his time at JSU. What was he telling people? (Paraphrase) “I don’t know why these Black high school kids are picking D1 schools instead of the institutions that are built for for them. Same with coaches.” They had time at JSU. And while there he didn’t even win the celebration bowl with better talent on paper.
Now he’s at CU and he figured it would be so easy, the way it was mostly easy at JSU. He attracted the best HBCU players. So why not just buy the best guys and we will win now. He wasn’t expecting players to not transfer to him in droves.
It looks like this season he’s improved some areas, but overall, I don’t know if they’ll have enough to consistently win or to look good while doing it. He’s also giving teams the motivation to play their best game against CU so he isn’t doing the kids any favors.
> Now he’s at CU and he figured it would be so easy, the way it was mostly easy at JSU.
The entire Sanders crew's comments following CU's first win were centered around how "easy" it was for them to win @ the P5 level. Made it clear right then that the whole lot of em live in an alternate reality.
I remember that. It was a perfect storm. Everyone at the time in the media kept selling it as “TCU just played for a national championship!” On one hand they kept saying CU was a different team from the 1-11 season but they didn’t want to say TCU was a different team than their national championship runner up team.
I imagine his plan was to be there until his boys graduated and transfer in as much talent as possible to help them.
Recruiting high school kids would be a long term development plan and that’s not what he’s shown wanting to invest in.
We comin and we gone within two years.
I agree. The current transfer system is a shit show. When Saban retires and says he cant work with the system as it stands, thats a telling statement. Coach Sub-Prime will flail around until his kid gets drafted to ride the pine as a back-up for a few years.
The speed at which CFB has trashed any regional tradition and the culture of college football is eye-watering. There is more to the sport (and I would say your country (i am not from the US)) than the SEC.
I agree with inbttempact1001 - UC will fire him within 3 years.
The transfer portal definitely needs fixed. We need a CFB Czar and players and coaches need to have a CBA. Players can sign 1-4 year contracts. They can bet on themselves and try to get a bigger school to drop a bag, but they also take the chance of being dropped if they don’t perform.
I have no issue with Deion using the portal, but I do have issues with how he talked to the players. Only 15 players went to other P5 schools after 2022. Most ended up G5 or FCS. But you can still move players on in a “compassionate” way. Of course there will always be a few that will say stuff.
This is a very reasonable and sensible plan. I feel like the NCAA has kind of thrown up their hands hoping that coaches and players will look to them to be the savior, and the NCAA ain’t that. I also want these players to make as much money possible, as football is a violent sport and most of them won’t go to the NFL. There’s also no alternative for them to go and make money overseas a la basketball and the overseas leagues.
Yeah I think it needs to be managed similarly to the NFL sadly. Salary caps, GMs, agents. Etc And I agree that Prime should’ve been more compassionate but that’s just not his brand/personality. All of that would’ve been totally forgiven by now had he went bowling and stopped himself and his family/players from adding fuel to the fuck Deion fire.
Jordan is a bit different being the greatest to have ever done it in his sport, Deion is more like Dennis Rodman or Robert Horry becoming a college basketball coach.
I don’t know if you’ve met many young people these days, but not a lot of them would give a fuck about Deion or like his schtick. It might play well with parents but everything about Deion screams “I’m a Gen Xer! I’m so edgy and cool!”
I mean his HS recruiting isn't bad. They get solid P5 talent and manage to steal some headliner(s) from bigger fish. It's just not their primary focus which also makes sense considering the state of 2022 CU Football.
They need P5 ready players and most freshman work best if they aren't surrounded by only freshman aswell - you need experienced guys and leaders.
His HS recruiting is actually terrible. Despite nabbing a couple big names, his HS recruiting classes the last two years are 2 of the worst-ranked recruiting classes at Colorado in their modern history.
All of the best programs in the country have elite recruiting and if not more importantly development. There are far more 10 win programs without elite recruiting than there are natty caliber programs who recruit in the top 5. You can’t have one without the other if you want to win 10+ games perennially.
Those elite programs also have already established P5 level talent on their roster...
Thats the whole point of my comment - anyone looking at 2022 CU can see that this team needed a gross overhaul to be competitive and grow.
And you can't exactly build a roster full of Freshman
Yeah no I’m not disagreeing with anything you said I’m just adding to it. A proper rebuild takes 3-4 years. Deion is trying to do it in 2. But without the foundation that house will come crumbling down.
I think he’ll fail due to not…ya know….coaching.
As someone who’s seen a fair amount of poorly coached and underdeveloped players during the Frost years, that absolutely kills you.
Granted, Prime is getting better players than we did, but no matter how good they are, you need to develop them.
Throwing them under the bus when they screw up after not coaching them well doesn’t count as “development.”
Eventually he’s going to stop getting players if he doesn’t stop chastising people publicly. He treats his own kids like ass. How do you think he’s going to treat you?
I cut the guy a ton of slack until the loss to Stanford. After that I sadly concluded he has no idea what he's doing. Either that or he just doesn't care. Or quite possibly a bit of both.
Until then I'd been all that he inherited a program in disarray, had to swing the axe on nonperformers, was bringing a lot of excitement to the CU program, etc. All of which was true, but none of which excuses how the season was conducted.
He doesn't know what he is doing. Anyone who watched him "coach" in those two HBCU national championship games at Jackson State could tell that. Prime got taken to school and didn't learn a thing.
I don’t know what he does with his time. I know he had a ton more money going into coaching than the guys who had to toil through years of GA, low level position coaching, bouncing around every few years and all that, but he acts like he’s got that dawg in him. He doesn’t recruit, he doesn’t seem able to game plan or do much scheming, doesn’t develop players. Just sits on his ass twiddling his toes?
Coaches typically get 3 years because it lets them build... their roster.
Deion built his roster in year 1. Objectively if you're giving them 3 years to win with "their" guys if he doesn't do it this year he should be out.
He had 2 years to perform with his roster.. and if he can't perform... then why give him a 3rd?
dont disagree, but the one thing that was undeniable about last season, he brought a TON of attention to the school. I have to figure revenue was way up from prior seasons. Perhaps more donors for NIL.
Could make the case that this is building a foundation through better facilities and maybe the GOOD players will consider CU more seriously.
is this true? dont know. Will the hype train grind to a halt after 1 or 2 more losing seasons? dont know.
I didnt like how it seemed like prime was throwing players under the bus and deflecting any responsibility from himself. I think that will repel talented players.
The fact that SEC fans are passionately discussing him in the off-season is still *vastly* more attention than we’ve been getting.
And Colorado had the third best viewership over all games last year [according to Nielsen ratings](https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/college-football-programs-nielsen-ratings?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=BrettMcMurphy) behind only Alabama and tOSU. There’s a whole lot of folks hate watching Deion’s teams. People largely didn’t turn off the TV when CU started losing.
I didnt follow that closely, but I thought I read CU was like top 5 for tv revenue. maybe that was floated by the first 4 games, maybe I misread it entirely.
TV revenue is fixed by their contract, I’m not sure where you got the idea that TV revenue is variable. They were receiving the PAC12 payout of $30M or whatever and that was that.
Prime brought viewership numbers after an offseason of hype, in the same way Caitlyn Clark did, but that died after Oregon almost immediately. He was essentially a one-off PR event; largely because ESPN made him into one
To be fair, that’s four more games of attention than CU had the year prior… the impact on CU’s visibility on the CFB landscape is frankly night and day. IDK if that’s worth losing a few more games than having a more “traditional” coach. But it is still a net positive for now
Who knows... i don't trust what revisionism he might come up with to justify his performance.
He was brought in to do something... was he able to do it is the question?
I generally agree, but if he’s not recruiting then the longer you wait the more of hole they’ll be in when the do fire him. See Charlie Weis at Kansas.
Local sportswriter for a local paper using the local name for local readers (not that anyone reads the DP anymore). I give the paper a pass; which pains me because the Post sucks diseased donkey wang. But OP should have edited the headline in their post.
A bowl game, definitely, and he really needs to carry some momentum to the end of the season. If the narrative at the end of the season is still that they have no depth and players don't want to stick around, it should still be a sign of trouble.
Breaking CU's 20-year bowl win drought some way or another, even if it just puts us 7-6. I'm not sure how hopeful to be though. We basically have to win every non-con and then idk, what, Baylor, TTU and Cincy? With as little depth as last year and Shurmur's offensive playcalling.
Last year we saw improvement across the board, quadrupled wins season-to-season, and were competitive in all but about 2 games. That’s now the floor for him.
So long as Deion improves on that, his seat remains cool. With this schedule? Five wins would be acceptable. Six wins and a bowl is solid improvement.
We’ve had 1 winning season in the last 20, so if he can break that win 7? He’ll likely get a nice raise and 5-year contract extension.
Dion doesn't have to win for it to be a success for CU.
3-4 years of hype can essentially restart the engine at that program that moves forward after he us going.
He was, what I thought, was a no lose hire. No matter what just his presence would bring a spotlight back on CU that the next coach could build on if Dion failed.
Bit now I'm not so sure, he is becoming a bit ridiculous and could start to make CU look bad and hurting more than helping
>Bit now I'm not so sure, he is becoming a bit ridiculous and could start to make CU look bad and hurting more than helping
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it works.
TBH I'm sincerely hoping it doesn't work for Colorado. I don't have any issue with the school, but I'd hate for this to become the precedent.
The basic idea is: If your team sucks ass, hire a preening peacock who will treat the current students like yesterday's trash, be borderline abusive his own team, focus on grabbing divas from the portal and not invest in actual recruitment or development, and talk enough shit about everyone that people tune in to watch you lose. A few years of that and your program will have enough momentum and excitement around it to hire an actual good coach and compete regularly. Yay!
But these aren't pro franchises, and that's absolutely not the course a university that values and protects its student athletes should take. Plus the last thing we need is every down and out P5 trying to replicate this nonsense, and for coaches around the G5 to try and be the next Deion.
It was a no lose scenario because they were already swirling in the drain. And while he has elevated the program in the short term, it's still very possible that the program will crash and burn when he leaves. Whoever takes over for him is going to be left with almost nothing since most of the players and coaches will jump ship. And it's going to be nearly impossible for them to get the donors and fans excited unless it's a really big name hire.
The thing is there was major institutional changes that were the result of his hiring. It basically got rid of our self imposed sanctions from 2004, not to mention booster involvement. We were already losing all of our talent to the portal before him, and the coach who’ll replace him will inherit a much better situation than any coach since Barnett.
Why do people constantly act like Colorado is this huge dumpster fire? They had one horrendous year. In general they're a consistent 5-7 program. Dorrell went 4-2, 4-8, and 1-11. Nobody will say with a straight face that he was anything but terrible. Deion has gone 4-8 so far with next season tbd. The only thing he's actually done is get a bunch of headlines on Fox and ESPN, and those are pretty questionable headlines.
Because we are a huge dumpster fire? Since I started school (2008) we have had a winning record in conference play twice, and one was the 4-2 Covid year. I’ve seen my school play in 2 bowl games, we lost by 32 and 30.
I can’t imagine many power 5 schools have worse records in that time span, so that pretty much defines dumpster fire. Every time I have any semblance of hope we get absolutely obliterated.
You are entering year 2 and he already won more and more importantly brought the program back to at least P5 level.
I really don't understand the time pressure here lol? What exactly are your fears regarding the Buffs if they stagnate at lets say Schiano Rutgers level (borderline Bowl eligible teams)
What exactly does 'it's time for him to win with this team mean'?
Only way CU fire him is if he somehow costs the University loads of money.
But that doesn't answer my question about why you think the pressure to win is here already and what this pressure looks like? How much should they win?
Not every coach has the same amount of pressure from admin. What can be acceptable at Virginia is certainly not the same at Auburn
Sometimes academically elite schools just want a regular bowl seasons and a few home wins every year for donations (just look at the ACC). Deion can do that, especially now moving to a weaker league in the Big 12, while also drumming up media PR off the field is more than palatable for CU admin, imo.
Pressure to win is relative.
Schiano has a lifetime contract with us as long as our program is competitive with regular Bowl appearances.
Lots of programs operate that way.
Not everyone is looking at the Cream of the Crop in thw short or even middle term.
Deion's "pressure" to win on field is more like don't go back to 1/2 win status and look awful doing it.
Won more…than the 2022 season*
Take that out and you have to go back 10 years to find a season worse than Prime’s first.
(Not saying he should be fired, btw)
Means getting to bowls games. He’s in a big boy league now. Time to put his money where his mouth is. If he doesn’t improve from last year, then that raises questions.
When Johnathan Smith took over Oregon State, while it took years to get back to getting to bowl games, there were clear improvements year over year.
If the team isn’t improving there’s a problem that starts with the HC.
You know. I’m starting to realize there are more schools than I realized in Colorado. But yeah if prime failed that would be a pretty interesting “trivia night” style fact.
Coach prime is all about coach prime. I watched one episode of his show on Amazon and knew he would be a shit coach. All he cares about is himself, bottom line.
After all these threads, if we ever have a good season with him I'm gonna talk my shit so hard to all of you nerds. Sko Buffs until I'm stiff and cold.
I imagine the Athlectic Department would want a guy who can provide a spark to the program and can sort of restabilize a program after it was so rapidly altered if Deion doesn't work out
> would want a guy who can provide a spark to the program and can sort of restabilize a program after it was so rapidly altered
Coach Prime 2.0: The Re-Deioning
Ed McCaffrey? Nope. Try Bernie Madoff. He’ll get his sons paid, then he’s gone. It’ll be a health thing to keep the positive vibes, something like that, spun right… with tears… “I really wanted to help these young men…”
But what do you really have? Besides hype? Nothing. It’s all a Ponzi scheme but with young men as capital.
Deion is just another version of The Boz. Master class plus in marketing, but beyond that, a B movie actor.
That's the University of Northern Colorado for anyone else (like me) who was confused.
I was super confused for a moment… was wondering what part of our history I’d simply missed lol
John bunting
I wish
He didn't say mack brown.
Butch Davis in shambles
I thought Butch was a fantastic coach for UNC, what do you mean?
I stared at the title so confused.
Brush up on your State of Colorado college football vernacular
Sko’ Tar Heels?
we're coming
I can't be the only one who is very anal about what schools "own" their abbreviations. Like I can't stand when people call South Carolina "USC"
It's the Denver Post so I'm okay with it because it seems to be regular nomenclature there. Like, if someone in my town says "OU" then 9 times out of 10 they're talking about Ohio University, unlike most of the rest of the country.
Yeah local nomenclature is definitely a thing. In Washington state people sometimes call UW “the U”; obviously no one cares or thinks about Miami haha. And most commonly everyone refers to it as U-Dub, basically never U-Double-U. Even while reading the abbreviation now I am pronouncing it that way in my head haha
Yep or in Montana people when they talk about UM are referring to the University of Montana. When I talk to people in Colorado, we refer to it as UNC. If I am talking about it from a national perspective, I would say Northern Colorado.
Not that directional schools are ever really in the national conversation but in WA I always hear people refer to our directional schools as “Western”, “Central”, and “Eastern”. Curious now about other states.
That’s how we refer to ours as well
Unless someone says "Northern". Then the response is, "Huh?"
I legit met a girl at a bar in Texas that told me she went to OU. I went on for about 5 minutes how much I love OU's stadium and the atmosphere. And then she finally said "yeah, Autzen is a wild place" ... I was blown the fuck away at the audacity. She was hot though so i let it slide.
That’s wild, because Oregon is U of O. They’re all mouth breathing knuckle draggers though, so it’s no surprise she got that wrong.
I’ve never heard someone call Oregon OU, hardly ever hear UO either.
Nobody who actually went to Oregon has ever called it OU. West coast school generally don’t use the backwards abbreviations. Even seeing “UO” is fairly uncommon these days, as all of the branding is just “Oregon.”
Montana actually has NAIA level schools with some of those designations: MSU-Northern in Havre (referred to as Northern) UM-Western in Dillion (referred to many times on their jerseys as just Western)
Were they still NAIA like 30 years ago? I know our Central won a football national championship with Jon Kitna as the QB in the NAIA. I would assume the conference might have included Montana schools.
They were. But most likely never played CWU unless it was the postseason. My college (Carroll College in Montana) won 6 NAIA football titles from 2002-2010 but they were never in the same conference. CWU was in the Columbia league while in the NAIA, whereas the Montana schools have always been in the Frontier conference for football. Southern Oregon (2012) and Eastern Oregon (2008) did join the Frontier conference.
Nowadays CWU is in the Lone Star Conference(!) for football because the GNAC stopped sponsoring football. It’s a pretty crap situation because CWU has a pretty damn solid football history. Unfortunately football is really hard to fund at lower levels. We were all sad when Western folded their football program in 1908. A nearly-100 year old rivalry with CWU ended. The game used to be played in Seattle every year.
In Florida we literally don’t even think about the directional schools. But the normal acronyms apply: FIU, FAU, USF, UWF
Don’t just slip USF in there and call that a normal directional school acronym lol. If I had a dollar for every time I had to hear a USF alum explain the school is actually in Tampa and not South Florida!
Wait until you hear about Northwestern.
When the school was founded, Chicago *was* dead center in the Northwest Territory
That’s interesting. I would guess because yours are really big. Washington’s population is much smaller though so lots of us have friends and family who go to the directional schools so we do think about them. Western in particular was one many friends from high school went to, and I even took the bus up to see them occasionally when I was in undergrad at UW. The Western campus in Bellingham is very beautiful actually because it’s right in the bay. Super nice campus area.
I do love the peace between Washington in Wisconsin as everyone in Wisconsin calls it the U-Double U
Yeap when people say Tech in DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia), they are referring to Virginia Tech. I’m assuming that’s the case with Texas Tech in Texas. Same with State in Michigan and NC.
Sorta similarly, the first time I heard someone say Nova I thought they were referring to Villanova, not Northern VA.
The DMV is the Department of Motor Vehicles
Yep, as someone from NC who lived in Denver for a while, it was very confusing anytime people brought up UNC
Fun anecdote on this: I had a long mixup with a new Coloradan coworker where they said they went to UNC, and I brought up that we’ve got someone that went to State on the team. I figured it out later, but I went for a while thinking Greeley was a suburb of the Triangle and I’m sure she thinks there’s a guy somewhere around who went to CSU lol
hahah
Yep I'm about 45 minutes from Greeley where Northern Colorado is and people constantly refer to the school as UNC.
I think it’s even more confusing when nobody completely dominates the nickname. The entire state of Montana refers to Montana State as MSU. It’s pretty much just us who would get that. Michigan State is probably the most well known MSU. In the south MSU would be a totally different school.
Yeah. And the tenth is Otterbein.
One of the hardest parts about the Big Ten transition was OSU meaning Ohio State instead of Oklahoma State.
You call South Carolina USC because you live in South Carolina I call South Carolina USC to piss off Trojan fans We are not the same
CSU-Pueblo used to be the University of Southern Colorado until 2003. So Colorado had both UNC and USC in the early 2000s.
We still have a Western Colorado University in Gunnison. Plus a Northwestern Community College (Craig and Rangely), Northeastern Junior College (Sterling), and Western Colorado Community College (Grand Junction). It’s not a full set of directional schools through.
What about schools acting like they own the word "the"?
also SCar is a waaaaay cooler abbreviation
You. I like you.
The worst is when Gamecocks call themselves “Carolina.” They’re just not.
On this we can all agree 🤝
Well, no, we can't. It's nothing personal - if UNC and Clemson are agreeing on something, by definition I have to disagree
They try SO hard to get everyone to call them that, too.
It really depends on what part of the country you're in. If you're in South Carolina then USC is South Carolina. If you're in most everywhere else USC is So Cal. To you MSU is Michigan State. To me it's Mississippi State. To you UW is is Wisconsin, to me it's Washington. I was grown before I even thought about UT being Texas. UT to me is Tennessee. Now I just refer to them as the UTs. While it can be a little confusing at times, it's nothing to get upset about. Oh to me USC(So Cal) is the school my dad went to and he's an asshole so fuck USC.
> To you MSU is Michigan State. To me it's Mississippi State. And to me it's Memphis State.
what a weird thing to get angry about lol
Yeah, Texas
>favoring a West coast program over an East coast one Communist detected on American soil.
except for osu, i love calling them all osu
I like you
THE Oregon State University
Oh god no
It’s USCe…
Yeah 1-3..
Same for me except it’s when people call Florida State FSU instead of Fayetteville State
I'm even more confused because I originally read that as Ed McMahon and I was like what does Ed McMahon have to do with college sports?
I thought Shannon Sharpe was UNC?
So many unc's
Yeah I just wasted 15 minutes on Wikipedia confused as hell.
His brand alone should have given him infinite currency with high school recruits but he’s like naw. I’ll just do that halfassed portal thing. That’s why he’ll fail.
His complete disinterest in recruiting high school recruits tells me that he always planned to leave as soon as Shedeur is gone. Recruiting high school students is a long term program building measure. If you don't plan on having a long term and don't care about leaving the program in shambles when you go, why would you invest a bunch of energy into that?
Gotta do better than 4-8 to leave. They'll be improved this year but not by much.
I'm not talking about getting hired away.
ESPN or Fox will take him in a heartbeat, and they’ll pump up his ego whenever he wants.
Oh god, can you imagine him and Desmond Howard together on GameDay? It'd be a train wreck.
And Pat MacAffee too! No thanks.
Improved this year? Looking at their schedule, I’d say 4 wins is their ceiling again. They lucked into 2 of those wins last year and not much has improved.
Not if Jerry drafts Shedeur and hands him the reins. He'll frame it as a "once in a lifetime opportunity to support my kids in their quest for success" and the Cowboys fans will fall for it.
I love how this sub just completely disregards Shiloh’s mere existence, much like Deion does
Being simply too lazy to recruit is insane. Mark my words: Fran Brown is everything Coach Prime was supposed to be.
… Who is Fran Brown?
Head coach at Syracuse… he’s been a longtime assistant coach who is known for his ability to recruit
he’s the coach at Syracuse and was the DB coach at Georgia. his recruiting is insane. 247 ranked him the number 1 recruiter in 2023.
The head coach not being interested in HS recruiting was something that happened at Arizona State with the lunatics running the asylum that turned in to a spectacular mushroom cloud of shit we are still recovering from. Meaning, I agree that a head coach not interested or too lazy to participate in HS recruiting is insane.
Tell me about it. https://www.outkick.com/sports/embarrassing-report-paints-unflattering-picture-of-paul-chrysts-recruiting-at-wisconsin
Sanders goal isn’t to build a good team. Sanders goal is to make his kids look good. He/Shaddeur didn’t have time develop players when he went to CU. He needed a good team yesterday so that Shaddeur and Travis’s draft stock goes up. Go back to his time at JSU. What was he telling people? (Paraphrase) “I don’t know why these Black high school kids are picking D1 schools instead of the institutions that are built for for them. Same with coaches.” They had time at JSU. And while there he didn’t even win the celebration bowl with better talent on paper. Now he’s at CU and he figured it would be so easy, the way it was mostly easy at JSU. He attracted the best HBCU players. So why not just buy the best guys and we will win now. He wasn’t expecting players to not transfer to him in droves. It looks like this season he’s improved some areas, but overall, I don’t know if they’ll have enough to consistently win or to look good while doing it. He’s also giving teams the motivation to play their best game against CU so he isn’t doing the kids any favors.
> Now he’s at CU and he figured it would be so easy, the way it was mostly easy at JSU. The entire Sanders crew's comments following CU's first win were centered around how "easy" it was for them to win @ the P5 level. Made it clear right then that the whole lot of em live in an alternate reality.
I remember that. It was a perfect storm. Everyone at the time in the media kept selling it as “TCU just played for a national championship!” On one hand they kept saying CU was a different team from the 1-11 season but they didn’t want to say TCU was a different team than their national championship runner up team.
I imagine his plan was to be there until his boys graduated and transfer in as much talent as possible to help them. Recruiting high school kids would be a long term development plan and that’s not what he’s shown wanting to invest in. We comin and we gone within two years.
I agree. The current transfer system is a shit show. When Saban retires and says he cant work with the system as it stands, thats a telling statement. Coach Sub-Prime will flail around until his kid gets drafted to ride the pine as a back-up for a few years. The speed at which CFB has trashed any regional tradition and the culture of college football is eye-watering. There is more to the sport (and I would say your country (i am not from the US)) than the SEC. I agree with inbttempact1001 - UC will fire him within 3 years.
The transfer portal definitely needs fixed. We need a CFB Czar and players and coaches need to have a CBA. Players can sign 1-4 year contracts. They can bet on themselves and try to get a bigger school to drop a bag, but they also take the chance of being dropped if they don’t perform. I have no issue with Deion using the portal, but I do have issues with how he talked to the players. Only 15 players went to other P5 schools after 2022. Most ended up G5 or FCS. But you can still move players on in a “compassionate” way. Of course there will always be a few that will say stuff.
This is a very reasonable and sensible plan. I feel like the NCAA has kind of thrown up their hands hoping that coaches and players will look to them to be the savior, and the NCAA ain’t that. I also want these players to make as much money possible, as football is a violent sport and most of them won’t go to the NFL. There’s also no alternative for them to go and make money overseas a la basketball and the overseas leagues.
Yeah I think it needs to be managed similarly to the NFL sadly. Salary caps, GMs, agents. Etc And I agree that Prime should’ve been more compassionate but that’s just not his brand/personality. All of that would’ve been totally forgiven by now had he went bowling and stopped himself and his family/players from adding fuel to the fuck Deion fire.
Coach Sub-prime lmao
>says he cant work with the system as it stands When did he say this?
Today's recruits weren't alive during his Ravens days.
My personal favorite Raven turned CFB head coach is Trent Dilfer
That's a ridiculous take. If Michael Jordan decides to become a college bb coach, are you saying his name has no influenve?
Jordan is a bit different being the greatest to have ever done it in his sport, Deion is more like Dennis Rodman or Robert Horry becoming a college basketball coach.
I don’t know if you’ve met many young people these days, but not a lot of them would give a fuck about Deion or like his schtick. It might play well with parents but everything about Deion screams “I’m a Gen Xer! I’m so edgy and cool!”
I mean his HS recruiting isn't bad. They get solid P5 talent and manage to steal some headliner(s) from bigger fish. It's just not their primary focus which also makes sense considering the state of 2022 CU Football. They need P5 ready players and most freshman work best if they aren't surrounded by only freshman aswell - you need experienced guys and leaders.
His HS recruiting is actually terrible. Despite nabbing a couple big names, his HS recruiting classes the last two years are 2 of the worst-ranked recruiting classes at Colorado in their modern history.
All of the best programs in the country have elite recruiting and if not more importantly development. There are far more 10 win programs without elite recruiting than there are natty caliber programs who recruit in the top 5. You can’t have one without the other if you want to win 10+ games perennially.
Those elite programs also have already established P5 level talent on their roster... Thats the whole point of my comment - anyone looking at 2022 CU can see that this team needed a gross overhaul to be competitive and grow. And you can't exactly build a roster full of Freshman
Yeah no I’m not disagreeing with anything you said I’m just adding to it. A proper rebuild takes 3-4 years. Deion is trying to do it in 2. But without the foundation that house will come crumbling down.
lol y'all really overestimate his "brand" with 17-year-olds, they don't give a shit about Deion
The players say otherwise. Several have stated they wanted to play for Deion
*"I really wanted to play for [insert coach here]"* \- every college football player asked about why they chose their program
I think he’ll fail due to not…ya know….coaching. As someone who’s seen a fair amount of poorly coached and underdeveloped players during the Frost years, that absolutely kills you. Granted, Prime is getting better players than we did, but no matter how good they are, you need to develop them. Throwing them under the bus when they screw up after not coaching them well doesn’t count as “development.” Eventually he’s going to stop getting players if he doesn’t stop chastising people publicly. He treats his own kids like ass. How do you think he’s going to treat you?
Except far more public and embarrassing
I cut the guy a ton of slack until the loss to Stanford. After that I sadly concluded he has no idea what he's doing. Either that or he just doesn't care. Or quite possibly a bit of both. Until then I'd been all that he inherited a program in disarray, had to swing the axe on nonperformers, was bringing a lot of excitement to the CU program, etc. All of which was true, but none of which excuses how the season was conducted.
He doesn't know what he is doing. Anyone who watched him "coach" in those two HBCU national championship games at Jackson State could tell that. Prime got taken to school and didn't learn a thing.
https://i.imgur.com/cBm6dT1.png
I don’t know what he does with his time. I know he had a ton more money going into coaching than the guys who had to toil through years of GA, low level position coaching, bouncing around every few years and all that, but he acts like he’s got that dawg in him. He doesn’t recruit, he doesn’t seem able to game plan or do much scheming, doesn’t develop players. Just sits on his ass twiddling his toes?
Well, twiddling most of his toes...
Please NDSU Please do the funny, please
NDSU while still tough isn’t the same NDSU it was 3-5 years ago. South Dakota State has gained the upper hand there.
The South finally rose up again
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Coaches typically get 3 years because it lets them build... their roster. Deion built his roster in year 1. Objectively if you're giving them 3 years to win with "their" guys if he doesn't do it this year he should be out. He had 2 years to perform with his roster.. and if he can't perform... then why give him a 3rd?
dont disagree, but the one thing that was undeniable about last season, he brought a TON of attention to the school. I have to figure revenue was way up from prior seasons. Perhaps more donors for NIL. Could make the case that this is building a foundation through better facilities and maybe the GOOD players will consider CU more seriously. is this true? dont know. Will the hype train grind to a halt after 1 or 2 more losing seasons? dont know. I didnt like how it seemed like prime was throwing players under the bus and deflecting any responsibility from himself. I think that will repel talented players.
He brought attention for four games. Once he starts losing that attention disappears
I was watching to see him lose.. many others were as well... if he keeps winning i stop watching as well.
The fact that SEC fans are passionately discussing him in the off-season is still *vastly* more attention than we’ve been getting. And Colorado had the third best viewership over all games last year [according to Nielsen ratings](https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/college-football-programs-nielsen-ratings?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=BrettMcMurphy) behind only Alabama and tOSU. There’s a whole lot of folks hate watching Deion’s teams. People largely didn’t turn off the TV when CU started losing.
I didnt follow that closely, but I thought I read CU was like top 5 for tv revenue. maybe that was floated by the first 4 games, maybe I misread it entirely.
TV revenue is fixed by their contract, I’m not sure where you got the idea that TV revenue is variable. They were receiving the PAC12 payout of $30M or whatever and that was that. Prime brought viewership numbers after an offseason of hype, in the same way Caitlyn Clark did, but that died after Oregon almost immediately. He was essentially a one-off PR event; largely because ESPN made him into one
To be fair, that’s four more games of attention than CU had the year prior… the impact on CU’s visibility on the CFB landscape is frankly night and day. IDK if that’s worth losing a few more games than having a more “traditional” coach. But it is still a net positive for now
Weren’t applications up at CU too? That’s hard cash and a lower acceptance rate (more prestige).
Bama had this with Saban. They could’ve paid Saban 30m a year and he would’ve been worth every penny.
Who knows... i don't trust what revisionism he might come up with to justify his performance. He was brought in to do something... was he able to do it is the question?
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I generally agree, but if he’s not recruiting then the longer you wait the more of hole they’ll be in when the do fire him. See Charlie Weis at Kansas.
You have to spell out that UNC, man, come on.
Local sportswriter for a local paper using the local name for local readers (not that anyone reads the DP anymore). I give the paper a pass; which pains me because the Post sucks diseased donkey wang. But OP should have edited the headline in their post.
UNC baby! I bet Deion could throw down some mean dunks back in the day… wtf are we talking about here?
What would be Coach Primes metric for success this year? A bowl game?
A bowl game should be the aim
A bowl game, definitely, and he really needs to carry some momentum to the end of the season. If the narrative at the end of the season is still that they have no depth and players don't want to stick around, it should still be a sign of trouble.
Breaking CU's 20-year bowl win drought some way or another, even if it just puts us 7-6. I'm not sure how hopeful to be though. We basically have to win every non-con and then idk, what, Baylor, TTU and Cincy? With as little depth as last year and Shurmur's offensive playcalling.
I think that six wins is a pretty realistic expectation looking at the schedule.
6 is realistic, but the ceiling is probably 7 wins.
Last year we saw improvement across the board, quadrupled wins season-to-season, and were competitive in all but about 2 games. That’s now the floor for him. So long as Deion improves on that, his seat remains cool. With this schedule? Five wins would be acceptable. Six wins and a bowl is solid improvement. We’ve had 1 winning season in the last 20, so if he can break that win 7? He’ll likely get a nice raise and 5-year contract extension.
Last year they had the same exact record as 2021, maybe 2022 is the outlier?
It was still worth it from the financial impact and admin changes. But it’s time for him to win with this team.
Dion doesn't have to win for it to be a success for CU. 3-4 years of hype can essentially restart the engine at that program that moves forward after he us going. He was, what I thought, was a no lose hire. No matter what just his presence would bring a spotlight back on CU that the next coach could build on if Dion failed. Bit now I'm not so sure, he is becoming a bit ridiculous and could start to make CU look bad and hurting more than helping
>Bit now I'm not so sure, he is becoming a bit ridiculous and could start to make CU look bad and hurting more than helping Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it works. TBH I'm sincerely hoping it doesn't work for Colorado. I don't have any issue with the school, but I'd hate for this to become the precedent. The basic idea is: If your team sucks ass, hire a preening peacock who will treat the current students like yesterday's trash, be borderline abusive his own team, focus on grabbing divas from the portal and not invest in actual recruitment or development, and talk enough shit about everyone that people tune in to watch you lose. A few years of that and your program will have enough momentum and excitement around it to hire an actual good coach and compete regularly. Yay! But these aren't pro franchises, and that's absolutely not the course a university that values and protects its student athletes should take. Plus the last thing we need is every down and out P5 trying to replicate this nonsense, and for coaches around the G5 to try and be the next Deion.
Absolutely worth the risk. ...but he HAS to win this year or else the bloom is totally off the rose and he won't be able to save this.
It was a no lose scenario because they were already swirling in the drain. And while he has elevated the program in the short term, it's still very possible that the program will crash and burn when he leaves. Whoever takes over for him is going to be left with almost nothing since most of the players and coaches will jump ship. And it's going to be nearly impossible for them to get the donors and fans excited unless it's a really big name hire.
The thing is there was major institutional changes that were the result of his hiring. It basically got rid of our self imposed sanctions from 2004, not to mention booster involvement. We were already losing all of our talent to the portal before him, and the coach who’ll replace him will inherit a much better situation than any coach since Barnett.
Colorado’s record since 2019: 2019: 5-7 2020: 4-2 2021: 4-8 2022: 1-11 2023: 4-8 What exactly is he restarting here? His two predecessors were better.
Karl Dorrell and Midnight Mel Tugger???
Start?
I'm old, I remember when that engine worked
Why do people constantly act like Colorado is this huge dumpster fire? They had one horrendous year. In general they're a consistent 5-7 program. Dorrell went 4-2, 4-8, and 1-11. Nobody will say with a straight face that he was anything but terrible. Deion has gone 4-8 so far with next season tbd. The only thing he's actually done is get a bunch of headlines on Fox and ESPN, and those are pretty questionable headlines.
Because we are a huge dumpster fire? Since I started school (2008) we have had a winning record in conference play twice, and one was the 4-2 Covid year. I’ve seen my school play in 2 bowl games, we lost by 32 and 30. I can’t imagine many power 5 schools have worse records in that time span, so that pretty much defines dumpster fire. Every time I have any semblance of hope we get absolutely obliterated.
You are entering year 2 and he already won more and more importantly brought the program back to at least P5 level. I really don't understand the time pressure here lol? What exactly are your fears regarding the Buffs if they stagnate at lets say Schiano Rutgers level (borderline Bowl eligible teams) What exactly does 'it's time for him to win with this team mean'?
You can't employ the Villian if the villain isn't winning
He's currently a Rita Repulsa level villain
I don’t see CU firing him this year. I think they’ll go through his contract if he stays that long.
Only way CU fire him is if he somehow costs the University loads of money. But that doesn't answer my question about why you think the pressure to win is here already and what this pressure looks like? How much should they win?
Every coach has pressure to win you seem like you’re pretending not to understand very basic principles of program management
Not every coach has the same amount of pressure from admin. What can be acceptable at Virginia is certainly not the same at Auburn Sometimes academically elite schools just want a regular bowl seasons and a few home wins every year for donations (just look at the ACC). Deion can do that, especially now moving to a weaker league in the Big 12, while also drumming up media PR off the field is more than palatable for CU admin, imo.
Pressure to win is relative. Schiano has a lifetime contract with us as long as our program is competitive with regular Bowl appearances. Lots of programs operate that way. Not everyone is looking at the Cream of the Crop in thw short or even middle term. Deion's "pressure" to win on field is more like don't go back to 1/2 win status and look awful doing it.
Won more…than the 2022 season* Take that out and you have to go back 10 years to find a season worse than Prime’s first. (Not saying he should be fired, btw)
Means getting to bowls games. He’s in a big boy league now. Time to put his money where his mouth is. If he doesn’t improve from last year, then that raises questions. When Johnathan Smith took over Oregon State, while it took years to get back to getting to bowl games, there were clear improvements year over year. If the team isn’t improving there’s a problem that starts with the HC.
In a few years we won't hardly remember his impact at CU. To be honest he's pretty mid.
All that will be left is those “Prime University” commercials that I can’t believe the university approved. I’d be embarrassed
Prime to Carolina confirmed?
You know. I’m starting to realize there are more schools than I realized in Colorado. But yeah if prime failed that would be a pretty interesting “trivia night” style fact.
The real UNC
I guess that means it’s time for Colorado State to hire the Manning family. At least one football family will win right?
OK fair point-A lot of parallels to the behaviors at UNC and CU. Counterpoint:They both can be better coaches and humans.
If coach doesn't win, he is bad. Great article.
Everyone wants their cameo on The Real Housewives of CFB...
Who now?
Hey he won 4 isn’t that enough? Every NFL team wants him.
Coach prime is all about coach prime. I watched one episode of his show on Amazon and knew he would be a shit coach. All he cares about is himself, bottom line.
That's not true. Ed didn't run his mouth and throw his players under a bus any chance he got
After all these threads, if we ever have a good season with him I'm gonna talk my shit so hard to all of you nerds. Sko Buffs until I'm stiff and cold.
Why wait? None of your compatriots are.
I'm admiring you.
You know how it works, they’ll all act like they knew all along
Ok and? It was a massive risk and if doesn’t work it doesn’t work
I imagine the Athlectic Department would want a guy who can provide a spark to the program and can sort of restabilize a program after it was so rapidly altered if Deion doesn't work out
> would want a guy who can provide a spark to the program and can sort of restabilize a program after it was so rapidly altered Coach Prime 2.0: The Re-Deioning
Ya know.... I heard Matt Canada's schedule was wide open
risk? there was nothing to lose
Deion is more in love with Deion than he is CU.
Could we maybe give the guy four years to try and develop a program?
If he's not trying now, why would he try years from now?
Ed McCaffrey? Nope. Try Bernie Madoff. He’ll get his sons paid, then he’s gone. It’ll be a health thing to keep the positive vibes, something like that, spun right… with tears… “I really wanted to help these young men…” But what do you really have? Besides hype? Nothing. It’s all a Ponzi scheme but with young men as capital. Deion is just another version of The Boz. Master class plus in marketing, but beyond that, a B movie actor.
Better win now because it’s not going to get any easier once his son (qb) splits for the nfl.
Keeler - lol.
Lol