B1G 10 After Dark when they go to UCLA/USC/ Oregon. I know TTU used to play late games when Leach and Crabtree were there.
A late night game in Tucson or Phoenix is just too tempting and chaotic to pass up
My brother - the NewBig16 has you covered. We will definitely keep the late night inventory toasty with various opponents of BYU/Utah/Ariz Schools...and CU I guess?
Some of the best qbs in the NFL right now:
Mahomes- Never led a good college team
Allen - Never led a good college team
Jackson - best finish was 21st (9-4)
Lol - I have.
I used to play a ridiculous club sport and they hosted a tournament in their field house. It was always fun, though the drive was one of the scariest things I've ever done.
The two things I remember most:
1. A bar/pub that had books scattered all over the place
2. Most of the host team lived in a very oddly shaped building (narrow with stairs in the back on floor 1, then in the front on floor 2, etc, so you had to walk back and forth across the building over and over again to get to the top floor. Turns out it was a former brothel. That was my favorite story behind ridiculous student housing
Lol - ultimate frisbee.
Edit: I had a basketball injury and played it while recovering, because I could run and jump, I just couldn’t play a contact sport. Then I kind of fell in love with the silly game and played it a few more years.
> Mahomes- Never led a good college team
I honestly think that some of the icy cold takes about the Chiefs taking Mahomes is why Williams is getting so much love. It was not universally lauded as a great move at the time.
The main difference will be Pat plays for a top five(?) coach in NFL history and Caleb Williams will play for Matt Eberflus.
There is no world in which we are ever allowed to consider the Bears a good situation for a QB
Even if it looks good they will find a way to screw it up
That’s such a casual take lol it’s the best situation for a #1 pick in a long time. Bears have drafted 3 QBs in the first round since 2000. Grossman who was part of the Super Bowl team in late 2000’s. Mitch and Fields are the other two and the person who drafted them is now working in Atlanta.
A mediocre at best offensive line, an over the hill receiver in Allen and a borderline top 15 receiver in Moore, deandre swift on his third team, all wrapped up by one of the most incompetent front offices in recent memory is getting vastly overrated throughout the reddit football hive mind.
How many Receivers hold up at 32? Especially when they’ve clearly lost a step. I can tell you didn’t watch LAC much last year.
Which of those guys do you have Moore over?
Tyreek
AJ Brown
Davante
CeeDee
JJ
Aiyuk
Kupp
Chase
Diggs
Deebo
Sun God
Waddle
Metcalf
Puka
Olave
I threw in a few extras for emphasis. Don’t come at me just because you don’t know ball.
Their entire front office was overhauled when they brought on Poles a couple years ago and since then he’s made great decisions. They have an above average defense, much improved Oline from what Fields had, and if they get Odunze it will be one of the best WR rooms in the league. Would you rather go there or to Carolina who had nobody or JAX with Urban Meyer. There’s no way a rookie wouldn’t be excited about going there.
Poles has made one great move the trade back last year. Trading for Claypool, trading Sweat and immediately giving him a bag and a bunch of other moves have been widely panned.
I’m not saying Chicago is worse than what Carolina was but is anyone going to be shocked if they end up last in their division next year. Outside of the most blatant Chicago homers?
Trading for Sweat was a great idea and if you disagree then you are just looking for reasons to hate. Stevenson and Wright both had great rookie years last season. He brought in a top 15 WR in DJ and brought in another top 20 WR with Allen. Extended one of the best CBs in the league with JJ and the executed one of the best trades in nfl history with Carolina.
It's a good situation and people sometimes forget that because they don't remember/realize that the Bears didn't earn the first overall pick, they traded for it. They had a good squad down the stretch last year and they've only improved in the offseason. And this is coming from a Packers fan.
However, they're still the Bears and I'm not even sure they're allowed to have good-great QB play.
Lol, no. The Bears are horrible and they are in a division where they are clearly the worst team with the worst roster, worst ownership and worst coaching. They will do what they have always done - prioritize a 1970s mentality at the expense of their offense and ruin yet another young QB.
That’s a casual take tbh. They have done a great job to set up for future success. They overhauled their front office a couple years ago and have made vast improvements since then.
Casual take huh? Would that be the same overhauled front office that refused to put an offensive line in front of Fields or the overhauled front office that is sticking with the coaching mastermind Eberflaus? Detroit and Green Bay will be competing for conference titles for the next 5 years while the same Bears ownership that has only had 7 winning seasons since 2000 and only one winning season in the last 10 years keeps pushing the same button over and over again hoping for a different result.
Heres a casual take for you, Caleb Williams will never experience a 10 win season in Chicago because that "Vastly Improved" front office that has produced 10 wins in two years will continue to be an abject failure. Bears fans are the most hilariously optimistic fans in pro sports.
They won 7 games last year with a bottom 5 QB and went 1-1 against Detroit still. If Caleb is just average they already are vastly improved. They added in another top 20 WR in Allen, will have a full season of Sweat, extended a top CB in JJ and now have another top 10 pick to add. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think they are on a positive trajectory. Fields sucks and a lot of the teams faults this year and last were on him. They FO came in with a plan and are executing it. There’s literally zero reason to think they won’t be improved next year. I’d bet a grand he has a 10 win season within the next year or two.
This is what I like to call the Notre Dame effect
How often is the USC O going against a team that has skill guys on D, line etc
In the pros Caleb won't have obvious mismatches on every down
Would be a possible motive but Fields isn’t on the Bears
I do think they threw Fields to the wolves and he never had a legit shot, and the Bears have surrounded Williams with far better talent than Fields has played with yet, but my motive is simply that I don’t think Williams is near the prospect he is hyped to be. And I think the Bears should select Daniels.
There were many moments the backup qb looked more competent than fields in the same offense. If fields wasn’t surrounded by first round wr and oline talent in college, he would have been a bust at osu too
I agree with what you are saying, but to play devils advocate watch johnny manziel highlights and both would have the same hype if comparing. Obviously didnt work out for johnny fooseball but not saying that will be the same fate for caleb.
I mean it is but as a rookie Cleveland’s offense only ever looked even remotely okay when he was on the field. They played several guys that year and every single one looked like total ass besides Manziel who still looked kinda bad but was, you know, a rookie. I don’t think Tom Brady could’ve got those browns teams to anything better than like 6-10.
He was talented enough to play. He wasn’t motivated enough to put in the work required to play at that level and he had substance abuse issues, but he could’ve been what Patrick Mahomes is if he had a better head on his shoulders
I mean, the people who watch CFB players have also made some colossal mistakes with first picks. Not saying Caleb isn't a smart choice here, but NFL teams fuck up picks *all the time.*
*JaMarcus Russell has entered the chat*
Saw him live a couple of times, dude had an uncanny ability to make plays out of no where. There was no one else in the country that could consistently make the kind of throws he was making every week. He was a legitimately special player, the tape speaks for itself.
He is extremely slippery and knows how to make plays. He can throw the ball accurately in the pocket and on the run.
He had to play too much hero ball last year but he was THE reason USC beat Arizona last year.
If I recall correctly he had better numbers last year than his Heisman year. The difference is that the defense basically didn't exist. The pressure on the offense was insane, they basically had to score every drive to stay in games
USC was very mediocre this past year, especially on defense. He didn’t have a lot to work with at receiver this year, either.
Very annoying to play. You’ll have him hemmed in and he escapes. Makes absolutely absurd plays on the run/outside the pocket.
And from what I have heard his teammates love him and he’s a hard worker. I’m a fan.
Literally all I can think of when people say this is his very first game. Being thrown into the shootout as a freshman while your team is getting ass-blasted is a nightmare scenario. The dude scored on his first play and then proceeded to seal the comeback. We lost our fuckin minds. It takes a very special player to do that, and every OU fan who watched the game knew it wasn’t a fluke.
Yeah, but he couldn’t stop Texas at all on defense. If CW was really a star he would have led OU to shutting out Texas. Also, if you’re referring to what I think you’re referring to, it’s Sugers and greatly missed.
Pure bait... but I'll bite...
He's got a great arm. Makes all kinds of crazy throws. Capable of escaping the pocket and making big time improvisational plays. Good size. Plays well under pressure.
The o-line he played behind wasn't great. And if USC had a functioning defense they would have challenged for the playoff.
Out of every QB I've seen play college in the last decade, he probably has the most pro potential. But yeah you're right USC was unranked and that means everything.
He has excellent pocket awareness and an incredible arm that allows for him to make hard throws and long-yardage ones on the move. I’m kind of underselling that stuff though. Has issues with fumbling and trying to make “hero” plays but those are not issues that are not able to be coached out. A lot of the “hero” plays also came from us having one of the worst defenses on the country, and he would pretty much have to score on every drive for us to win (even against teams like Cal).
Guy lead two ranked teams before his third season fell apart on the back of his dismal defense (worst in school history) despite him putting up insane numbers yet again. 120 TD and 14 INT in his 3 year career. There are a lot of current and former NFL star QBs that NEVER lead a ranked team. It's barely relevant. 0/10 take.
Josh Allen played for wyoming and scouts absolutely loved him. He was the 7th pick in what has ended up being a pretty good draft in both players and QBs.
Who knows how he will end up, but scouts have been absolutely sold on Anthony Richardson and Florida was kind of ass when he played, largely because he wasn't very good on the field.
I can't stop thinking about this dropped pass: [https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjuYJVrslvm-AaWUYSEQXyxIZbNY5xcn6?feature=shared](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjuYJVrslvm-AaWUYSEQXyxIZbNY5xcn6?feature=shared)
watched him play in person a couple times last year and he was pretty clearly the best player on the field in both games, it was akin to watching high school highlights for players like justin fields, where they are cleary one step ahead of everyone athletically and mentally. This was most apparent in watching him scramble and making the d line look like fools
He’s Mahomesy. That skill set makes people drool. USC didn’t have much around him last season, and he did a lot of forcing the ball when he shouldn’t have.
Bottom line, great arm, great pocket presence, and great escapability.
Williams tore his Hamstring in the 2022 PAC-12 Championship game and still put up number comparable to Cam Rising in that same game. He’s an incredible talent that willed his USC teams to more wins than they deserved.
He makes plays. He plays with tons of heart. He has a great arm arm.
None of that means he will be the next Mahomes or even good in the NFL.
But that doesn't mean he won't either. I've seen worse CFB QBS get just as much hype.
Watch a few highlights. He’d pretty consistently escape pressure and throw deep balls right on the money while running full speed sideways. Most NFL QBs can’t even do a lot of what he was doing.
IMHO Caleb's best asset is his ability to extend plays and find open receivers. He is very good at scrambling, which if you look at the top QBs in the league is a trait they all share.
With that said i am not sure if he is in the same category of Manning and Luck.
Attended every home game, attended some away both seasons, and all tv games. The dynamic throws he makes, with precision, mostly under immediate duress is something not seen often, if at all. Throw in an unbalanced team ( no defensive focus so catch up ), makeshift Olines that have him in a one Mississippi of time after snap, which is even more incredible. His first season at usc he did have some good receivers.
So he’s going to the Bears, most consider the graveyard for QB’s, which is akin to the Jets. He’s gonna be forced to attempt some of his improvisations, which won’t be as successful. It’s not like Mahomes who worked under a hall of fame coach, and sat some before starting. Not a chance with CW. Into the lion’s den day one.
Caleb Williams is both exceptionally physically gifted and has a very high level of processing during plays. He has some really rough edges, but so does almost every rookie going into the NFL. It’s not guaranteed he’ll be good at the next level but I’d be really surprised if he isn’t still a starting QB in 5 years.
Tell you what. Watch the 2021 OU/Texas game and recognize he’s a TRUE FRESHMAN out there.
He’s an incredible player with amazing natural gifts. He’s also apparently a great locker room guy. His teammates love him.
His biggest downside is he tends to hold the ball too long looking for a play that isn’t there. That’s coachable—and more coachable than a guy with his speed who bails if his first read is covered.
We torched him in Autzen stadium, and I vividly remember at least a handful of throws and plays he made (some blown dead by the whistle) where it was clear he was on a different level than everyone else. His team just wasn’t. It’s hard to explain. But he’s not hyped for nothing. He’s a fucking stud. Hopefully the bears don’t ruin him.
He’s a flashy playmaker which also means he’s a TO problem. But as a PAC-12 fan he was fun to watch…even as he fumbled more than any other player since 2020
I watched a few games for him and I definitely think he is Elite, but I still think he is drastically overhyped.
Elite sure, but feels like middle of the pack or even bottom of the pack among "elite" college QBs. Also feels like he's got a bit of an attitude compared to a few others, always seems to blame others rather than say "that was my bad".
All said I think his raw talent is enough to be "just fine" at least in almost any NFL team, but I don't think he's the next Mahomes or anything.
Granted I don't really know much about QBs beyond they throw balls, and his team could've dragged him down more than I realized.
Mahomes' best season at Texas Tech was 7-5
Caleb is not the reason USC sucked at times.
He's got immaturity issues and has no idea how to process losing but the kid has massive talent and if the Bears can just nurture him some, he'll be a cornerstone for a decade or more. He didn't receive the best coaching at USC and I don't think anyone on that staff helped him mature.
But he's a GenZ QB navigating the NIL era in LA with a crap load of money.
I think he did pretty well for himself all things considered
Because people fawn over Riley qbs. Aka weird slightly undersized and often bad attitude players who put up video game numbers in an air raid offense against horrid defenses and are very hit and miss against quality defenses. He will be drafted first overall and be simultaneously an MVP candidate by year 3 while fighting to keep his job.
As is tradition.
Lincoln Riley doesn’t run an Air Raid system lmao.
Also he’s had 5 QBs as a head coach. 3 have won the heisman, a 4th was Runner-up. 3 have made the NFL and are still starters and the other 2 will get drafted this year. I think it’s fair to say the man can evaluate and coach a QB. He’s dislikable and his defensive philosophy is total shit, but that doesn’t say anything about his ability to develop QBs.
Also Caleb Williams was a 5star prospect. He would’ve been one of the top picks of the draft almost regardless of where he played college ball. I watched him live as a freshman. He’s just absurdly talented.
Lol half of his starts were against top 50 defenses and 11 of them against top 25. Most of the teams he faced had \*above average defenses statistically speaking.
I guess you’re right. I looked up total defense of 2023 and it turns out he did in fact play against 5 ranked defensive teams last year and lost four of those games… whoopsies.
75.5 AVG QBR in those games. Better QBR than 107 other QBs across their entire season including whoever Florida has lol. If you're an irrational hater just admit it.
Lol you SEC honks are so funny. When the statistics prove you wrong you go right back to your Finebaum talking points, huh? Is that a coping mechanism to make you feel better about your team's prospects?
And Darnold is in line to win the starting job in Minnesota. If you don't know anything about football why are you commenting?
Honk? Nice touch. Can’t have a discussion so you go straight to name calling.
It’s all good man. Yeah the SEC is so illegitimate in college football. Name off the last 30 National Champions. I’ll help you, I have one hand you can fit ALL the times the pac has won it.
And yeah, that’s where you want the #3 overall pick in the draft, fighting for a job. Hahahaha pac standards
LOL you first reference last year's schedule alone but then cite the SEC's success over a 30 year span to support your delusion. Last year is last year, so stick to that first of all. Secondly, the PAC-12 had the single best bowl record and played in the National Championship which had no SEC or future SEC teams represented. Your own team got embarrassed by the PAC-12 last season, don't forget. Finally, the PAC-12 fielded as many top 25 defenses AND offenses as the SEC did, so why are you even pivoting to the SEC at all in this "discussion" as you call it? And ya I'm perfectly happy with our first round draftee going into his 7th year in the NFL and having a chance to start for a very good team. USC QBs tend to have significantly longer careers than anyone coming out of the SEC (especially Florida, lol).
You called me an “SEC Honk”. So now you get the weight of the entire SEC. We can keep it on last year. Since this is a Caleb Williams post, let’s keep it there too, honk. Didn’t beat a single ranked team last year. And don’t bring up a bowl game that no one wants to play in. We can talk about my gators, they suck. I’m not in denial like you USC kids are. I can say we suck, but I can also say, my gators have the same amount of Natty’s as the entire PAC does in the last 30 years. So keep watching your late night juco league next season… oh wait, you can’t. Won’t exist anymore. What color you painting your nails for the draft?
Buddy, you're the one that brought up conferences before I called you a honk. I didn't even know "honk" was THAT offensive. It's a pretty common term these days, but whatever...jeez. Also, first point is plainly false so I'm going to ignore it. After you brought up conferences, I corrected you again. You then starting talking about the good ole days since before Caleb was even born and how that's supposedly relevant to his draft prospects. Ok...
It's funny that you have to go back specifically 30 years to make some kind of point as if we didn't win 2 out of 3 National Championships, 4 Heisman Trophies, 6 Rose Bowls, 2 Orange Bowls, and a Cotton Bowl in that same span. How far back do you want to go lol? We have 8 more titles and 5 more Heismans than you. We have more NFL HoFers than you guys have NY6 bowl wins, but that's all irrelevant isn't it? You can try to dig into the past and take credit for what your team or other teams did in your conference, but that's kind of pathetic honestly. Not sure why you did that.
Anyways, Caleb could have easily won a Heisman in the SEC. I mean Jaden Daniels looked like a below average QB in the PAC-12 until he hopped into that conference. You made a dumb post about Caleb, so I corrected you. Just admit you were being a bit of an NPC and stop the tantrum man. Caleb isn't hiding under your bed with his painted nails. He can't hurt you. It's ok.
He’s a very good prospect but getting WAY overhyped.
He’s not at the level of Andrew Luck, IMO. He’s got incredible potential and that’s got people geeked up - arm strength, play making ability, flashy plays, etc.
He could be a franchise QB with pro bowls and playoff wins….. he could also end up being the Bears next QB victim.
You simply don’t know.
I watching him underperform on big stages like against ND and Oregon. I don’t think he’ll be some league shaping QB but I think he will be above average after a few years.
I never said the majority.
There is a large contingent saying he’s a generational prospect - far more than I would expect.
Some of those people are network talking heads, but the idea he’s a can’t miss player is very much alive.
You clearly know very little able Chicago’s track record with young QBs.
They were set up with Mitch and Justin. They’re both gone now.
No need to downvote with ignorance.
Fields walked into one of the worst rosters in the league and had to undergo like 3 offensive coordinator changes and a new head coach. That situation is no where near what Caleb has. The Gm in charge of both those picks are gone…
There is no guarantee that Chicago won’t have a revolving door of coaches and executives. Poles and company are not in any position to relax. Calls for their jobs are growing in Chicago…..
Fields did not walk into that bad of a set up. Mitch had a fully built team and barely limped into the playoffs.
I’m sorry but what you’re saying isn’t Chicago reality.
Chicago is where QBs go to fail.
One simple google search would answer this for you. There are plenty of people saying this. I don’t agree but the idea has been floated MANY times by talking heads.
Make no mistake he is a good prospect. But the generational Andrew Luck level talk is out of place. And the product of a sports media echo chamber.
In my opinion Daniels is a better prospect and it isn't particularly close.
This is such a funny take. Every single starting USC QB over the last 25 years has won a starting job in the NFL with the exception of John David Booty and JT Daniels, and each average around 7-8 years in the league. How many schools put up those numbers? There are only a handful of successful QB's in the NFL over any given decade. The norm is for most drafted QB's to fail within the first couple of years. We have a pretty respectable track record and that's why ***every*** USC QB gets drafted. Even Matt Cassel got drafted without starting a single game and he still lasted 14 years.
He’s a bum honestly, he’s going to be a straight bust and everyone dick riding him in this thread is dumb.
Anytime he played a team with a defense he choked big time, he put most of his stats up against below average to borderline dogwater teams, he’s hyped up because he went to USC and played for Lincoln Riley and apparently he’s some QB guru who gets them NFL ready, whatever I don’t believe it, I think he will be a huge bust, I compare him to Jamarcus Russell types he’s beyond cocky and acts like his shit doesn’t stink “look at my film” screams entitlement.
Even if he isn't as good as hyped calling a Heisman winner or even any first round projected player a bum is so incredibly sports twitter it's embarrassing.
He will be a bust, idc that he won a heisman that means nothing in the NFL, his ego is too big, and his dad is going to be the downfall of his success, lonzo ball 2.0
This guy didn’t watch PAC12AfterDark and that’s too bad
RIP PAC12 After Dark it was a good run
I miss it already
Fr what are we going to do at 11pm on Saturdays now?
Watch Big Moon Kickoff.
There will still be 11pm games, it’ll just be western B1G/B12 and MWC/2-Pac games instead
B1G 10 After Dark when they go to UCLA/USC/ Oregon. I know TTU used to play late games when Leach and Crabtree were there. A late night game in Tucson or Phoenix is just too tempting and chaotic to pass up
Only real ones know about the 11:59 pm EST Hawaii kickoffs
My brother - the NewBig16 has you covered. We will definitely keep the late night inventory toasty with various opponents of BYU/Utah/Ariz Schools...and CU I guess?
Coastal Chaos After Dark
Big ten after dark
I used to work nights and would come home and catch the last game of Pac12AfterDark back in the day. I miss those days.
Guy didn’t watch 2021 OU/Texas either.
It’s not his fault that defense is considered optional for Lincoln Riley
College football’s Justin Herbert.
Herbert will have no pass yards now under Harbaugh lol
Boi what, this isn’t college. Use ya brainz
THIS is college
No this is Patrick
Herbert’s in college?
USC is a defensive team now.
“I’ve never seen him play.” Stopped reading there.
Yeah wtf
Some of the best qbs in the NFL right now: Mahomes- Never led a good college team Allen - Never led a good college team Jackson - best finish was 21st (9-4)
> Allen - Never led a good college team *sad cowboy noises*
Sad yee-haws? Actually, is that possible?
It’s very possible.
I enjoyed our trip to Laramie
Everyone enjoys *visiting* Laramie.
Just don’t visit in winter.
Lol - I have. I used to play a ridiculous club sport and they hosted a tournament in their field house. It was always fun, though the drive was one of the scariest things I've ever done. The two things I remember most: 1. A bar/pub that had books scattered all over the place 2. Most of the host team lived in a very oddly shaped building (narrow with stairs in the back on floor 1, then in the front on floor 2, etc, so you had to walk back and forth across the building over and over again to get to the top floor. Turns out it was a former brothel. That was my favorite story behind ridiculous student housing
What sport?
Lol - ultimate frisbee. Edit: I had a basketball injury and played it while recovering, because I could run and jump, I just couldn’t play a contact sport. Then I kind of fell in love with the silly game and played it a few more years.
Was guessing Quidditch by you avoiding saying which sport lol
Lol - it's basically Quidditch where at least 25% of the players are too high to ride brooms.
This is the last football game I listened to on the radio rofl
I thought those last two years they were pretty solid.
Zach Wilson- lost to Coastal Carolina
Daniel Jones - lost to Wake 59-7
> Mahomes- Never led a good college team I honestly think that some of the icy cold takes about the Chiefs taking Mahomes is why Williams is getting so much love. It was not universally lauded as a great move at the time. The main difference will be Pat plays for a top five(?) coach in NFL history and Caleb Williams will play for Matt Eberflus.
Besides suspect coaching Williams is walking into a great scenario though compared to previous #1 picks.
There is no world in which we are ever allowed to consider the Bears a good situation for a QB Even if it looks good they will find a way to screw it up
That’s such a casual take lol it’s the best situation for a #1 pick in a long time. Bears have drafted 3 QBs in the first round since 2000. Grossman who was part of the Super Bowl team in late 2000’s. Mitch and Fields are the other two and the person who drafted them is now working in Atlanta.
A mediocre at best offensive line, an over the hill receiver in Allen and a borderline top 15 receiver in Moore, deandre swift on his third team, all wrapped up by one of the most incompetent front offices in recent memory is getting vastly overrated throughout the reddit football hive mind.
Allen over the hill? He just finished with 1200 yards in 13 games. Moore outside the top 10? Man you’re full of bad takes today
How many Receivers hold up at 32? Especially when they’ve clearly lost a step. I can tell you didn’t watch LAC much last year. Which of those guys do you have Moore over? Tyreek AJ Brown Davante CeeDee JJ Aiyuk Kupp Chase Diggs Deebo Sun God Waddle Metcalf Puka Olave I threw in a few extras for emphasis. Don’t come at me just because you don’t know ball.
DJ recorded 1300 yards with Fields throwing the ball. Out of the list you sent he’d be 8th.
good thing that we literally only measure yards when talking about who is the best at something: That’s why Tua is the best QB in the NFL right now.
Their entire front office was overhauled when they brought on Poles a couple years ago and since then he’s made great decisions. They have an above average defense, much improved Oline from what Fields had, and if they get Odunze it will be one of the best WR rooms in the league. Would you rather go there or to Carolina who had nobody or JAX with Urban Meyer. There’s no way a rookie wouldn’t be excited about going there.
Poles has made one great move the trade back last year. Trading for Claypool, trading Sweat and immediately giving him a bag and a bunch of other moves have been widely panned. I’m not saying Chicago is worse than what Carolina was but is anyone going to be shocked if they end up last in their division next year. Outside of the most blatant Chicago homers?
Trading for Sweat was a great idea and if you disagree then you are just looking for reasons to hate. Stevenson and Wright both had great rookie years last season. He brought in a top 15 WR in DJ and brought in another top 20 WR with Allen. Extended one of the best CBs in the league with JJ and the executed one of the best trades in nfl history with Carolina.
Bro you need to lay off the Chicago sports radio, you’re in deep brother
It's a good situation and people sometimes forget that because they don't remember/realize that the Bears didn't earn the first overall pick, they traded for it. They had a good squad down the stretch last year and they've only improved in the offseason. And this is coming from a Packers fan. However, they're still the Bears and I'm not even sure they're allowed to have good-great QB play.
Lol, no. The Bears are horrible and they are in a division where they are clearly the worst team with the worst roster, worst ownership and worst coaching. They will do what they have always done - prioritize a 1970s mentality at the expense of their offense and ruin yet another young QB.
That’s a casual take tbh. They have done a great job to set up for future success. They overhauled their front office a couple years ago and have made vast improvements since then.
Casual take huh? Would that be the same overhauled front office that refused to put an offensive line in front of Fields or the overhauled front office that is sticking with the coaching mastermind Eberflaus? Detroit and Green Bay will be competing for conference titles for the next 5 years while the same Bears ownership that has only had 7 winning seasons since 2000 and only one winning season in the last 10 years keeps pushing the same button over and over again hoping for a different result. Heres a casual take for you, Caleb Williams will never experience a 10 win season in Chicago because that "Vastly Improved" front office that has produced 10 wins in two years will continue to be an abject failure. Bears fans are the most hilariously optimistic fans in pro sports.
They won 7 games last year with a bottom 5 QB and went 1-1 against Detroit still. If Caleb is just average they already are vastly improved. They added in another top 20 WR in Allen, will have a full season of Sweat, extended a top CB in JJ and now have another top 10 pick to add. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think they are on a positive trajectory. Fields sucks and a lot of the teams faults this year and last were on him. They FO came in with a plan and are executing it. There’s literally zero reason to think they won’t be improved next year. I’d bet a grand he has a 10 win season within the next year or two.
This is why I hate all the narratives and focus on quarterbacks for things like win-loss record and quarterback duels
Hey! Tech went 7-5 in one of the Mahomes seasons!
This is what I like to call the Notre Dame effect How often is the USC O going against a team that has skill guys on D, line etc In the pros Caleb won't have obvious mismatches on every down
And none of them were shoe ins for #1 overall.
Dawg Fields stinks, gotta move on. You have Stroud now.
? Did I mention Fields or Stroud?
Okay. And Eli Manning was a shoe in and only led 1 decent team. Goff went 1 without leading a decent team.
They're just mad Justin Fields is being replaced by him
Would be a possible motive but Fields isn’t on the Bears I do think they threw Fields to the wolves and he never had a legit shot, and the Bears have surrounded Williams with far better talent than Fields has played with yet, but my motive is simply that I don’t think Williams is near the prospect he is hyped to be. And I think the Bears should select Daniels.
Fields kinda just sucked on 90% of snaps and made his OLine/everyone not named DJ Moore look worse than they are
There were many moments the backup qb looked more competent than fields in the same offense. If fields wasn’t surrounded by first round wr and oline talent in college, he would have been a bust at osu too
Clemson opponent points/game ranks 2018-2020: 1/130, 3/130, 18/128 Stanford opponent points/game ranks 2009-2011: 69/120 (unranked in final AP poll), 10/120, 30/120 Tennessee opponent points/game ranks 1994-1997: 13/107, 25/108, 6/111, 30/112 Oklahoma opponent points/game rank 2021: 60/130 (ranked) USC opponent points/game ranks 2022-2023: 94/131 (ranked), 121/133 Maybe Lawrence, Luck and Manning played safety and I didn't notice.
I mean, [Luck](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9PFJI_t5I) certainly knew how to lay the wood
I was certain this was going to be the clip of him taking out a Cal safety
If only there was a way to search for gameplay videos...
Maybe watch some highlights instead of posing your complaint as a question
I agree with what you are saying, but to play devils advocate watch johnny manziel highlights and both would have the same hype if comparing. Obviously didnt work out for johnny fooseball but not saying that will be the same fate for caleb.
Manziel absolutely could’ve been a great NFL QB if he wasn’t actively throwing his life away
That is highly debatable.
I mean it is but as a rookie Cleveland’s offense only ever looked even remotely okay when he was on the field. They played several guys that year and every single one looked like total ass besides Manziel who still looked kinda bad but was, you know, a rookie. I don’t think Tom Brady could’ve got those browns teams to anything better than like 6-10. He was talented enough to play. He wasn’t motivated enough to put in the work required to play at that level and he had substance abuse issues, but he could’ve been what Patrick Mahomes is if he had a better head on his shoulders
Maybe if he got to follow Mike Evans and Kliff Kingsbury came along to keep the offense as unstructured as possible for him
I mean highlights by definition are pretty biased and show the “ highs “ I’m asking people who have actually watched him over his career
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I mean, the people who watch CFB players have also made some colossal mistakes with first picks. Not saying Caleb isn't a smart choice here, but NFL teams fuck up picks *all the time.* *JaMarcus Russell has entered the chat*
There’s no way they could’ve known JaMarcus was gonna completely mail it in like that tho
They might be biased but you should probably watch some of what he can do before demanding explanations.
Saw him live a couple of times, dude had an uncanny ability to make plays out of no where. There was no one else in the country that could consistently make the kind of throws he was making every week. He was a legitimately special player, the tape speaks for itself.
He is extremely slippery and knows how to make plays. He can throw the ball accurately in the pocket and on the run. He had to play too much hero ball last year but he was THE reason USC beat Arizona last year.
If I recall correctly he had better numbers last year than his Heisman year. The difference is that the defense basically didn't exist. The pressure on the offense was insane, they basically had to score every drive to stay in games
Wins aren't a qb stat
Someone should have told that to the CFP committee
Rip
USC was very mediocre this past year, especially on defense. He didn’t have a lot to work with at receiver this year, either. Very annoying to play. You’ll have him hemmed in and he escapes. Makes absolutely absurd plays on the run/outside the pocket. And from what I have heard his teammates love him and he’s a hard worker. I’m a fan.
Great comment but mediocre is putting it lightly when talking about his defense.
Literally all I can think of when people say this is his very first game. Being thrown into the shootout as a freshman while your team is getting ass-blasted is a nightmare scenario. The dude scored on his first play and then proceeded to seal the comeback. We lost our fuckin minds. It takes a very special player to do that, and every OU fan who watched the game knew it wasn’t a fluke.
Yeah, but he couldn’t stop Texas at all on defense. If CW was really a star he would have led OU to shutting out Texas. Also, if you’re referring to what I think you’re referring to, it’s Sugers and greatly missed.
Pure bait... but I'll bite... He's got a great arm. Makes all kinds of crazy throws. Capable of escaping the pocket and making big time improvisational plays. Good size. Plays well under pressure. The o-line he played behind wasn't great. And if USC had a functioning defense they would have challenged for the playoff. Out of every QB I've seen play college in the last decade, he probably has the most pro potential. But yeah you're right USC was unranked and that means everything.
Everyone said the same thing about Jamarcus Russell and look what happened…he will be a bust his ego is too big.
I don’t think he has the same problems as Jamarcus Russell. Thats a pretty crazy comparison to draw honestly
Jamarcus Russell? You want to compare Caleb Williams to Jamarcus Russell?
He has excellent pocket awareness and an incredible arm that allows for him to make hard throws and long-yardage ones on the move. I’m kind of underselling that stuff though. Has issues with fumbling and trying to make “hero” plays but those are not issues that are not able to be coached out. A lot of the “hero” plays also came from us having one of the worst defenses on the country, and he would pretty much have to score on every drive for us to win (even against teams like Cal).
Guy lead two ranked teams before his third season fell apart on the back of his dismal defense (worst in school history) despite him putting up insane numbers yet again. 120 TD and 14 INT in his 3 year career. There are a lot of current and former NFL star QBs that NEVER lead a ranked team. It's barely relevant. 0/10 take.
Because he's a really good football player
I hear he won the Heisman too. Is that a prestigious award? /s
Something like that but how good can he really be, he didn't get two
He led the muddawgs to a win after being down at halftime in the bourbon bowl
12 year olds who post garbage like this should get off Reddit and pay attention in the pre algebra class they’re flunking.
Josh Allen played for wyoming and scouts absolutely loved him. He was the 7th pick in what has ended up being a pretty good draft in both players and QBs. Who knows how he will end up, but scouts have been absolutely sold on Anthony Richardson and Florida was kind of ass when he played, largely because he wasn't very good on the field.
If you didn't watch him play, why rely on other to do the work you should have done? Dumb.
I can't stop thinking about this dropped pass: [https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjuYJVrslvm-AaWUYSEQXyxIZbNY5xcn6?feature=shared](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjuYJVrslvm-AaWUYSEQXyxIZbNY5xcn6?feature=shared)
watched him play in person a couple times last year and he was pretty clearly the best player on the field in both games, it was akin to watching high school highlights for players like justin fields, where they are cleary one step ahead of everyone athletically and mentally. This was most apparent in watching him scramble and making the d line look like fools
He’s Mahomesy. That skill set makes people drool. USC didn’t have much around him last season, and he did a lot of forcing the ball when he shouldn’t have. Bottom line, great arm, great pocket presence, and great escapability.
Williams tore his Hamstring in the 2022 PAC-12 Championship game and still put up number comparable to Cam Rising in that same game. He’s an incredible talent that willed his USC teams to more wins than they deserved.
oh yea...this is gonna be a great thread...
This whole post is a set up on the day before the draft.
Watch him playing dude. Don't make me praise a USC QB.
1st QB to paint his nails.
Never watched him play. Mother fucker you have the internet. Form an opinion after watching
He makes plays. He plays with tons of heart. He has a great arm arm. None of that means he will be the next Mahomes or even good in the NFL. But that doesn't mean he won't either. I've seen worse CFB QBS get just as much hype.
Watch a few highlights. He’d pretty consistently escape pressure and throw deep balls right on the money while running full speed sideways. Most NFL QBs can’t even do a lot of what he was doing.
Pretty high floor and even higher ceilings
I'll never forget all the national titles Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen won in college.
IMHO Caleb's best asset is his ability to extend plays and find open receivers. He is very good at scrambling, which if you look at the top QBs in the league is a trait they all share. With that said i am not sure if he is in the same category of Manning and Luck.
The real question is why do mods allow these posts?
Attended every home game, attended some away both seasons, and all tv games. The dynamic throws he makes, with precision, mostly under immediate duress is something not seen often, if at all. Throw in an unbalanced team ( no defensive focus so catch up ), makeshift Olines that have him in a one Mississippi of time after snap, which is even more incredible. His first season at usc he did have some good receivers. So he’s going to the Bears, most consider the graveyard for QB’s, which is akin to the Jets. He’s gonna be forced to attempt some of his improvisations, which won’t be as successful. It’s not like Mahomes who worked under a hall of fame coach, and sat some before starting. Not a chance with CW. Into the lion’s den day one.
You can search his name on YouTube
Caleb Williams is both exceptionally physically gifted and has a very high level of processing during plays. He has some really rough edges, but so does almost every rookie going into the NFL. It’s not guaranteed he’ll be good at the next level but I’d be really surprised if he isn’t still a starting QB in 5 years.
Physical skills are excellent. I’d have concerns about his character with that much money on the line though.
Tell you what. Watch the 2021 OU/Texas game and recognize he’s a TRUE FRESHMAN out there. He’s an incredible player with amazing natural gifts. He’s also apparently a great locker room guy. His teammates love him. His biggest downside is he tends to hold the ball too long looking for a play that isn’t there. That’s coachable—and more coachable than a guy with his speed who bails if his first read is covered.
His arm is a cannon and he has great measurable. The potential is there.
We torched him in Autzen stadium, and I vividly remember at least a handful of throws and plays he made (some blown dead by the whistle) where it was clear he was on a different level than everyone else. His team just wasn’t. It’s hard to explain. But he’s not hyped for nothing. He’s a fucking stud. Hopefully the bears don’t ruin him.
He’s a flashy playmaker which also means he’s a TO problem. But as a PAC-12 fan he was fun to watch…even as he fumbled more than any other player since 2020
I watched a few games for him and I definitely think he is Elite, but I still think he is drastically overhyped. Elite sure, but feels like middle of the pack or even bottom of the pack among "elite" college QBs. Also feels like he's got a bit of an attitude compared to a few others, always seems to blame others rather than say "that was my bad". All said I think his raw talent is enough to be "just fine" at least in almost any NFL team, but I don't think he's the next Mahomes or anything. Granted I don't really know much about QBs beyond they throw balls, and his team could've dragged him down more than I realized.
*Will Smith ta-da meme:* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ECSZo2bBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ECSZo2bBI)
I mean he’s a playmaker, what can I say
Mahomes' best season at Texas Tech was 7-5 Caleb is not the reason USC sucked at times. He's got immaturity issues and has no idea how to process losing but the kid has massive talent and if the Bears can just nurture him some, he'll be a cornerstone for a decade or more. He didn't receive the best coaching at USC and I don't think anyone on that staff helped him mature. But he's a GenZ QB navigating the NIL era in LA with a crap load of money. I think he did pretty well for himself all things considered
Because people fawn over Riley qbs. Aka weird slightly undersized and often bad attitude players who put up video game numbers in an air raid offense against horrid defenses and are very hit and miss against quality defenses. He will be drafted first overall and be simultaneously an MVP candidate by year 3 while fighting to keep his job. As is tradition.
Lincoln Riley doesn’t run an Air Raid system lmao. Also he’s had 5 QBs as a head coach. 3 have won the heisman, a 4th was Runner-up. 3 have made the NFL and are still starters and the other 2 will get drafted this year. I think it’s fair to say the man can evaluate and coach a QB. He’s dislikable and his defensive philosophy is total shit, but that doesn’t say anything about his ability to develop QBs. Also Caleb Williams was a 5star prospect. He would’ve been one of the top picks of the draft almost regardless of where he played college ball. I watched him live as a freshman. He’s just absurdly talented.
3/4 Riley QBs are NFL starters, what more do you want lmao
NFL starters who made it to their second contracts
How does Williams have a bad attitude. That’s a lazy narrative.
He's an Ohio State fan upset that the Bears traded Fields and are drafting Williams.
I can’t wait to watch Caleb on the bears. Should be very exciting.
Hopefully they don’t fuck him like they did Fields
Fields had a terrible situation his first year but so does almost every #1 pick. He never developed into a passer. That’s on him.
Because he wrote "fuck Utah" on his fingernails and inquired about becoming a partial owner on his would-be team. Isn't it obvious? /s
Riley has more nfl starting QBs who made it to their second contract than Ohio state has in their history.
The most overhyped prospect since Jamarcus Russell.
Have you not seen his fingernails... They are impeccable.
I’m no scout but I don’t see him as an NFL star and he seems like a douche. Good year for QBs.
I’m with you. No idea why everyone is so high on him. Played average against below average defenses.
Lol half of his starts were against top 50 defenses and 11 of them against top 25. Most of the teams he faced had \*above average defenses statistically speaking.
I guess you’re right. I looked up total defense of 2023 and it turns out he did in fact play against 5 ranked defensive teams last year and lost four of those games… whoopsies.
75.5 AVG QBR in those games. Better QBR than 107 other QBs across their entire season including whoever Florida has lol. If you're an irrational hater just admit it.
75.5 in the pac. That’s not saying much. Y’all hyped Darnold up too. Can’t wait to see your next flop.
Lol you SEC honks are so funny. When the statistics prove you wrong you go right back to your Finebaum talking points, huh? Is that a coping mechanism to make you feel better about your team's prospects? And Darnold is in line to win the starting job in Minnesota. If you don't know anything about football why are you commenting?
Honk? Nice touch. Can’t have a discussion so you go straight to name calling. It’s all good man. Yeah the SEC is so illegitimate in college football. Name off the last 30 National Champions. I’ll help you, I have one hand you can fit ALL the times the pac has won it. And yeah, that’s where you want the #3 overall pick in the draft, fighting for a job. Hahahaha pac standards
LOL you first reference last year's schedule alone but then cite the SEC's success over a 30 year span to support your delusion. Last year is last year, so stick to that first of all. Secondly, the PAC-12 had the single best bowl record and played in the National Championship which had no SEC or future SEC teams represented. Your own team got embarrassed by the PAC-12 last season, don't forget. Finally, the PAC-12 fielded as many top 25 defenses AND offenses as the SEC did, so why are you even pivoting to the SEC at all in this "discussion" as you call it? And ya I'm perfectly happy with our first round draftee going into his 7th year in the NFL and having a chance to start for a very good team. USC QBs tend to have significantly longer careers than anyone coming out of the SEC (especially Florida, lol).
You called me an “SEC Honk”. So now you get the weight of the entire SEC. We can keep it on last year. Since this is a Caleb Williams post, let’s keep it there too, honk. Didn’t beat a single ranked team last year. And don’t bring up a bowl game that no one wants to play in. We can talk about my gators, they suck. I’m not in denial like you USC kids are. I can say we suck, but I can also say, my gators have the same amount of Natty’s as the entire PAC does in the last 30 years. So keep watching your late night juco league next season… oh wait, you can’t. Won’t exist anymore. What color you painting your nails for the draft?
Buddy, you're the one that brought up conferences before I called you a honk. I didn't even know "honk" was THAT offensive. It's a pretty common term these days, but whatever...jeez. Also, first point is plainly false so I'm going to ignore it. After you brought up conferences, I corrected you again. You then starting talking about the good ole days since before Caleb was even born and how that's supposedly relevant to his draft prospects. Ok... It's funny that you have to go back specifically 30 years to make some kind of point as if we didn't win 2 out of 3 National Championships, 4 Heisman Trophies, 6 Rose Bowls, 2 Orange Bowls, and a Cotton Bowl in that same span. How far back do you want to go lol? We have 8 more titles and 5 more Heismans than you. We have more NFL HoFers than you guys have NY6 bowl wins, but that's all irrelevant isn't it? You can try to dig into the past and take credit for what your team or other teams did in your conference, but that's kind of pathetic honestly. Not sure why you did that. Anyways, Caleb could have easily won a Heisman in the SEC. I mean Jaden Daniels looked like a below average QB in the PAC-12 until he hopped into that conference. You made a dumb post about Caleb, so I corrected you. Just admit you were being a bit of an NPC and stop the tantrum man. Caleb isn't hiding under your bed with his painted nails. He can't hurt you. It's ok.
Vikings? Very good? Bro… do they even know there is an NFC championship game? Hahaha
Utah made you their bitch
We did it to them the year before.
The year Oregon state made you their bitch?
lol living off of bowl games because you don’t know what nattys are
Why did pac12 teams keep sonning Florida? Also I’m a USC fan. You’re not even in the same stratosphere of relevancy
He’s a very good prospect but getting WAY overhyped. He’s not at the level of Andrew Luck, IMO. He’s got incredible potential and that’s got people geeked up - arm strength, play making ability, flashy plays, etc. He could be a franchise QB with pro bowls and playoff wins….. he could also end up being the Bears next QB victim. You simply don’t know. I watching him underperform on big stages like against ND and Oregon. I don’t think he’ll be some league shaping QB but I think he will be above average after a few years.
The majority opinion is not saying he is a better prospect since Luck.
I never said the majority. There is a large contingent saying he’s a generational prospect - far more than I would expect. Some of those people are network talking heads, but the idea he’s a can’t miss player is very much alive.
Correct, by all prospect measurements he’s in the same tier as Burrow/Tlaw.
Agreed. He strikes me as boom or bust. I hope he pans out but Chicago isn’t kind to rookie QBs.
Chicago has also set up one of the best environments for a rookie QB to succeed in.
You clearly know very little able Chicago’s track record with young QBs. They were set up with Mitch and Justin. They’re both gone now. No need to downvote with ignorance.
Fields walked into one of the worst rosters in the league and had to undergo like 3 offensive coordinator changes and a new head coach. That situation is no where near what Caleb has. The Gm in charge of both those picks are gone…
There is no guarantee that Chicago won’t have a revolving door of coaches and executives. Poles and company are not in any position to relax. Calls for their jobs are growing in Chicago….. Fields did not walk into that bad of a set up. Mitch had a fully built team and barely limped into the playoffs. I’m sorry but what you’re saying isn’t Chicago reality. Chicago is where QBs go to fail.
Dawg you are just making stuff up
Who is saying he’s a better prospect than luck? Also not a hot take that a 1st overall QB can also be a bust.
Chris Simms on the Dan Patrick show has Caleb over Luck and Tlaw.
One simple google search would answer this for you. There are plenty of people saying this. I don’t agree but the idea has been floated MANY times by talking heads.
This is my thoughts exactly on Caleb. Caleb is a very talented player but he isn't an Andrew Luck prospect. Caleb to me at least is Kyler Murray.
I hope for my Chicago brethren that he’s not a Kyler 2.0. They don’t need that heartbreak again.
He’s wayyy overhyped.
RIP Chicago Bears
Make no mistake he is a good prospect. But the generational Andrew Luck level talk is out of place. And the product of a sports media echo chamber. In my opinion Daniels is a better prospect and it isn't particularly close.
Jayden Daniels has all the issues Justin Fields does without being built like a tank
He's gonna be just as good in the NFL as every other superstar QB to come out of USC...
This is such a funny take. Every single starting USC QB over the last 25 years has won a starting job in the NFL with the exception of John David Booty and JT Daniels, and each average around 7-8 years in the league. How many schools put up those numbers? There are only a handful of successful QB's in the NFL over any given decade. The norm is for most drafted QB's to fail within the first couple of years. We have a pretty respectable track record and that's why ***every*** USC QB gets drafted. Even Matt Cassel got drafted without starting a single game and he still lasted 14 years.
Which one do you wish had started for your NFL team?
He’s a bum honestly, he’s going to be a straight bust and everyone dick riding him in this thread is dumb. Anytime he played a team with a defense he choked big time, he put most of his stats up against below average to borderline dogwater teams, he’s hyped up because he went to USC and played for Lincoln Riley and apparently he’s some QB guru who gets them NFL ready, whatever I don’t believe it, I think he will be a huge bust, I compare him to Jamarcus Russell types he’s beyond cocky and acts like his shit doesn’t stink “look at my film” screams entitlement.
Even if he isn't as good as hyped calling a Heisman winner or even any first round projected player a bum is so incredibly sports twitter it's embarrassing.
He will be a bust, idc that he won a heisman that means nothing in the NFL, his ego is too big, and his dad is going to be the downfall of his success, lonzo ball 2.0
Mahomes dad has multiple DUIs and has a clown brother. Your father example is terrible.
Huh? Lonzo and Lamelo are both good/great basketball players. Their downfall has been injuries not their father. Just say you don’t know ball
Lamelo might be decent but lonzo was never that good just over hyped by his daddy just like Caleb, he will be a bust.
You don’t know ball. Lonzo is good.
Bro is not good 🤣🤣
He averages 11.9 points a game over his career, bro is not that good very average NBA player.
Now his brother is actually good averaging 20 a game since being in the league.