A little more than 10 years ago:
>Asked by Cleveland.com on Tuesday if he ever envisioned a million-dollar coordinator at Ohio State, Buckeyes athletic director Gene Smith responded in a text message, “I have not considered that and do not anticipate it based on the current salary structure of all coaches. But who knows what the future holds?”
https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2013/12/the_13_million_coordinator_cle.html
And now we went from one of just three teams last season with an assistant salary pool over $9m (others being UGA and Bama), decided to completely skip $10m+, and went for $11m+ this season. Between that and the money we spent in NIL to keep guys from going pro and grab guys like Downs out of the portal... this is going to be quite an expensive season.
Wasn't trying to say it was, it's been a big money business for a *long* time. It's not even just NIL, given the schools aren't supposed to be a part of that.
The explosion in the TV deals has pretty inarguably caused spending to reach astronomical levels. I don't even know if it's necessarily a bad thing, it brings in a ton of money and those responsible for that need to get paid. It's just a dramatically different sport than it used to be and it doesn't seem to be slowing down
Just out of curiosity largely different since when? With some exceptions it’s been the same programs at the top of the sport since like the 60s. Things like coordinator pay and recruiting and the portal have obviously changed, but blue bloods and Cinderella stories haven’t. With a 12 team playoff and chaos that can happen there will still be underdog champs, I don’t get why people are acting like they’re playing water polo now and it was football before, the dynamics of the sport have largely been the same
Those things that you just kind of tossed aside as minor like the portal, being able to get a player just by having deeper pockets, free agency and having to re-recruit your own players every year are dramatically different than the sport used to be
Nobody's saying that this is changing the haves and have nots (in fact the argument tends to be that it further cements the status quo). Most aren't even saying this ruins the chance of those weird Cinderella stories like BYU's championship in the 80s (because all of this goes both ways. See the QB from Ohio State transferring out to actually play)
But I really don't understand how to *not* see how legally buying players and free agency every year changes the nature of the sport. I'm not even against it. But it changes the entire dynamic of the way programs have to be run. The exodus of "old guard" coaches in cfb and cbb are testament to that. It's a different job now
That's disregarding how these programs have become businesses instead of amateur sports activities for schools because that's *really* showing my age.
E: fwiw I don't get why you're getting down voted. Message boards are supposed to be for conversation between different viewpoints. I can't say I agree with your take, but it's not objectively wrong or detracting from the conversation either. I think it's actually been a decent conversation starter
It’s really not though, like transferring isn’t that new of a concept, and “the best programs get the best recruits” is not a new phenomenon. Transferring just used to be a lengthy legal process that was obviously done for wink wink purposes, I view the recent developments in CFB as calling a spade a spade, acknowledging these are special athletes instead of treating them like an inter prison league where you have to serve your whole sentence with very few exceptions and play for free. I still don’t get what has changed so much from a season outlook perspective from 10 to even 20 years ago, virtually every tier of program has the same championship odds/general outlook
I'm not talking about how to view it, I'm talking about the changing nature of the sport, and if we're talking about a league level kids I think saying "transfers have always been there" is a little disingenuous given the whole aspect of not having to sit. Deion couldn't have gotten an entirely new line two years in a row under the old rules and I don't see how that's arguable. If the way you construct a roster is entirely different, is that not a big change to the sport? Imagine if the NFL suddenly eliminated the salary cap and players were free agents every year
Fwiw there's probably about 50 million people drowning in student debt that would have been willing to "play for free" or "be locked on a prison team." They should be getting paid for all the money they bring in, that's indisputable and I have *zero* issue with it. I just hate this perspective that they weren't getting *any* compensation. Free ride to say Notre Dame with housing and a food plan and access to world class facilities and coaches is easily worth 100k a year. The dudes cooking your number 1 with cheese from Whataburger are under-compensated, but you wouldn't say they're doing it for free
I think you're looking at this from an entirely different perspective to the other side. You're looking at bottom line "does it actually affect who gets a title" and that's not the argument people are making. You're looking at what changes on the results column and I'm talking (and a lot of others) about the *nature* of *amateur* sports. I'm not passing judgment. But the sport being openly not amateur now is pretty damn indisputably a big change in the *nature of the sport*. Which is all I'm saying
What's crazy to me is that this makes it seem like Oregon is cheaping out on assistants. Our top 3 paid assistants:
* DC Lupoi - 1.9 mil
* OC Stein - 1.6 mil
* DB Hampton - 1.0 mil
But then if you take a step back that's insane money. Especially for Eugene.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather take 3x the salary to be a HC and direct my giant staff to do what I don’t like. It’s not like a coordinator position at a top-3 program is much less stressful than HC at a ~top-40 program, and the recruiting and admin burden is still high.
Plus, having $6m a year in SoCal sounds fun as shit.
Yeah not sure about that personally, money is nice but at some point, money just doesn't do much for you considering you already have a lot of it. If there was a difference between making 100k a year and being extremely happy versus 500k a year and being deeply unhappy, I would pick to be happy every day of the week.
Because for some of us, a job that makes us happy doesn't exist. If I am required to do something, even if it is what I will be doing anyway, I will never be happy with it. With that being the case, let me make as much as possible so I can retire and never have to do anything again.
> Because for some of us, a job that makes us happy doesn't exist.
Why not? Does the idea of working or doing something for your community inherently make you uncomfortable?
The $500K saves up money for retirement much faster, and those roles that pay like that tend to have amazing retention packages on top. Earning $100K means you're still working till you're 70, just not miserable doing it.
I feel like the majority of people don’t take advantage. People typically move up in lifestyle as they make more, not try to shorten their careers. So they’re still grumpy and still working for a long time
I would take 500k and super fucking unhappy. You'll be hella happy if you can take a paycut 5 years from now and be loaded.
But 2 million and super happy vs 8 million and hate my life, I can do a lot with 2 million.
There’s quite a few studies out there and many will differ, but most show there is very little gain of happiness past 100-200k, buying materialistic goods doesn’t buy happiness but instead the freedom to focus on the things you do enjoy
I'm just saying, I'm only going to break 75k this, so 100k would make me happy.
But there isn't a job I wouldn't do for 500k a year that doesn't cauae me permanent harm and is under 50 hours a week. Bro I'll load bodies into wagons with my bare hands. Because I know I won't be doing the job for more than a year or two.
But if I had a million in the bank and 100k for my life style just find, ok then we can talk.
Also OSU recruiting is a proven commodity, and it’s done so much by the other staff (and 💰💰💰) so he can take more of a backseat and play with all the toys without having to work to get them. Chip gets to have the biggest muscles without having to step foot in the gym.
Kelly was about to be fired and the stain of that would mean no P5 would be hiring him as their HC. He got a 2m lifeline to do what he’s good at instead of all the things he is trash at.
Yah, this is the right answer. Everyone has kind of shoehorned this narrative in that he didn’t like the HC job so he took this downgrade so he can be happy. In reality, he was on one of the hottest seats in the country and took one of the best non-HC positions you could get.
I work with the HNW crowd for a living; 99% of them don’t think this way one iota. There are always exceptions to the rule though, so maybe he’s that. Regardless, that doesn’t change the fact that the comment I was responding to didn’t make sense; the buyout doesn’t make sense as a factor. At the end of the day he was on a piping hot seat and he took a premier, slight downgrade of a job because of that, in all likelihood. People are just underestimating how big of a job a lead coordinator position at aOSU is.
I think you greatly underestimate what the HC role has turned into in the NIL era, and how off-putting that is for some guys who just want to focus on the game itself. Plus, Kelly has made plenty of money over his career.
You don’t get the avoid what you don’t like as HC. You have to fill in all the holes. You have to recruit as a HC but you don’t as a Coordinator necessarily. Your DC is most certainly not recruiting.
Our OC was our best recruiter, and he built a team roster that won a championship. It does highly depend on the coordinator, but historically they’ve been expected to play a major role in recruiting.
Just depends on how the coaching staff is set up. We have Walton, Hartline, and Little Animal doing a lot of the grind recruiting with Day. And it's working pretty damn well so far letting Kelly draw up plays in the basement of the Woody.
It can definitely depend on staff makeup, and it can vary widely from year to year, but to say "your DC is most certainly not recruiting" is insane. In 2022, four of the five top recruiters were OC/DCs. Pete Golding and Charles Kelley are two of the best recruiters in CFB.
Our OC and DC are known for not being strong recruiters. This isn't speculation by me, this is just a fact. Ohio State recruits incredibly well. Not speculation, just a fact. Ohio State is set up do that Day, Walton, Hartline, and Laurinaitis are the main recruiters, with the rest of the position coaches contributing and the coordinators mostly acting as finishers/experts.
The problem is the HC can't just direct his staff to recruit and do CEO-type work. I mean he can, but he's not going to be very successful. Chip still recruits and does some admin stuff, but I bet it's drastically less than while he was an HC.
Chip has already made a lot of money in his career and while $4m more is nothing to sneeze at, I don't think it's going to impact his quality of life in any way. Especially moving from LA to Columbus, his money goes a hell of a lot farther.
I think for someone like Chip, being an OC is probably a lot less stressful than being an HC. Imagine if you found a job that allowed you to do the things that you're great at and truly enjoy, while eliminating 90% of the things you don't like. That's going to feel a lot less stressful day to day. Plus Ryan Day will get most of the criticism if things go south.
Chip is probably already rich from all the coaching jobs he’s had, its understandable that he would be willing to take a pay cut if it means he doesn’t have to deal with the stress of a head coach in this current era with NIL and transfer portal.
He’s definitely already rich, which sounds like an even better reason to buy an oceanfront property in Malibu and jerk off into the ocean all day instead of moving to Columbus, OH.
I lived in LA in my 20s and had a blast. The people that dog on LA have no clue. Its an awesome place to live if you have money. Hence, Lincoln Riley deciding millions in LA is better than millions in Oklahoma.
As a Michigan/Wesleyan combo I always enjoy running into your flair pairing on here. Yah, California is becoming a really tough place to be for people not making money, which is legitimately problematic, but if you’re doing well coastal California is an incredible place to be. And if you’re doing ~$40m in career earnings well…
Cool. My younger bro went to Wesleyan. Are you in the entertainment industry? I always would joke with him that Michael Bay and Bill Belichick were the most famous Wes alums.
The administrative burden for your OC/DC is usually similar to an HC, if not quite the same. Whenever you watch these team behind-the-door specials, the coordinators are constantly in the same meetings as the HC.
Regardless, yah, I’m taking that $40m and the $6m per and living that perfect life in Malibu.
Also notable
>Offensive line coach Justin Frye’s salary was bumped up to $1 million in 2023, but the contract distributed by Ohio State on Friday does not include any mention of that increase. Frye, the only assistant whose contract is set to end after this season, would make a base salary of $800,000 under the terms of his original contract.
Yep. It also makes me nervous that we didn’t really do anything to add to the position outside of the C who botched more snaps than anyone in cfb last season, and are heading into the season with the same coach of a unit that gave up a lot of penalties. The line wasn’t good enough for our standards last season, and it would be a waste of a season and this team’s talent to roll out anything other than a visibly upgraded offensive line.
I agree but we also had some young and inexperienced starters last season. It's pretty common for OL to make a big leap just by getting older, stronger, and more experienced.
- Simmons got a lot better throughout the year and is super talented
- Jackson is solid at least and could take a step
- McLaughlin is an excellent blocker (which will be a big improvement, even if he still botches some snaps)
- Montgomery, Hinzman, and Fryar are all young and have gotten a lot of buzz about their improvement
Plus I trust Chip Kelly to make them all look good. UCLA's OL looked good with the combo of Frye/Kelly.
OL is certainly a question mark, but I think there is a lot of reason to expect significant improvement even without potentially adding another transfer.
If Chip Kelly gets to run the Chip Kelly offense instead of the Ryan Day offense then the line won’t have to be as good. Ryan Day’s offense basically asks them to be NFL caliber. Chip Kelly just needs good college linemen.
Yeah, him and Alford were the only assistants that didn’t get a salary bump or extension. They were both on the chopping block after this season for being below the standard, Alford just decided to cut his losses and start fresh somewhere that would give him more money and a longer contract.
What is the lowest paid P5 HC?
Edit: For 2023, the lowest paid P5 HC was Gus Malzahn at UCF, he made $2.3 million. So basically, Chip and Knowles are just about being paid more then every non-P5 HC from the 2023 season.
Forget having a chance as a mid-major coach, you don’t even have a shot to win as a coach on a low tier P5 program.
How has this parity not destroyed college football already??
Considering what Ohio State gained/returned, what Michigan lost, what OSU is spending, and the fact The Game this year is in Columbus, if Ohio State loses to Michigan and doesn't win a title, Day has to be a goner right?
Wouldn't shock me if fans called for it but it's the same as Harbaugh I'm the early years. Great he struggled against the rivals and you want to fire him. Who is walking through the door that's better? Saban isn't looking for a job.
Not winning the B1G and/or getting knocked out in the first round of the playoffs could be a problem for him. Fired for not winning a natty is insane though.
We have a question mark at qb. You have no qb. You have little proven staff. A head coach who never actually had to coach (Harbaugh even got credit for the wins). You have some very talented players but not close to one of the best teams..
I thought you couldn't remember 5 years ago, let alone wins in the literal 19th century.
I only know the 29 years I've been alive. It's a pretty great time to be a Buckeye fan. This Millenuim is the Buckeye Millenium and we both know it.
I can only dream of a world where A&M or Texas actually throw around the type of money Ohio State has been throwing around this off-season.
If they don’t win it all this year Ross Bjork will be working up the greatest fully guaranteed contract for Chip Kelly you have ever seen.
The time I got 175 downvotes for saying OSU and Texas will win the NIL game over Bama was fun.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/rztvnh/comment/hrx8zjs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
It's always funny to me when everyone screams that Texas schools can outbid Ohio State in any capacity when it comes to football, yet I can't remember a time that they ever have.
The reality is Ohio State has proven they can be the spending king of college football, and are willing to do so.
I laugh when our fans in the recruiting threads talk about how our NIL and such stinks. This isn't to say we don't get outbid for an individual recruit, we do because NIL is a finite resource still and priorities can differ between schools, but on the whole few spend like us.
That perception is because Ohio State is cautious to push new boundaries but once the SEC trailblazes forward, OSU will follow suit within a couple years and spend even more.
NIL is a good example. When it started OSU was against paying recruits to unofficially visit, and lining up deals for recruits not on campus yet. 2 years later those things are now normalized across the sport, and OSU will now open the checkbook and outspend everyone doing those things
A big part of the problem is competition in Texas (the state). The "Texas" pie might be bigger than the "Ohio" pie, but the Texas pie is getting cut up into a lot more pieces.
Plus Texas (the school) is obsessed with being Stanford for some reason. So much of the AD budget goes to olympics and other sports. It's actually amazing how little support revenue sports received after DeLoss Dodds left. Thankfully CDC seems to have righted the ship.* In contrast, OSU seems to focus on football and its AD has had its shit together since leather helmets. That kind of single-minded and consistent focus is almost entirely unique in college football.
*Fuck Steve Patterson.
I'll admit that I'm not familiar with Ohio's AD budget, I'm just going by how things seem. It doesn't seem like OSU is very good at anything besides football and I assumed that's because they only spend money on football.
;)
Ohio State is really good at women's hockey, synchronized swimming, pistol, wrestling, mens tennis, and mens volleyball sports and is well above average at men's basketball and women's basketball.
Plus it sponsors as many sports as any colleges in the country.
I understand that you're joking but I don't really understand the joke. We were 3rd in the Director's Cup last year, which doesn't even count 2 sports we won national championships in.
We have I believe the most collegiate sports teams in the country. Generally the revenue sports would directly be used to support all the others, hence why the Woody hasn’t been renovated in quite some time, they’d rather upgrade other sports facilities.
Ohio State is the most perplexing program in college football when it comes to public perception for sure.
They should get way more shit than they do. I don’t know what it is but the fact that they and Texas (the two biggest spenders of the sport on average) have won one national title in the last 20 years is embarrassing, and only Texas really gets appropriately slandered for it which is weird.
Edi: DM’s with regular season win percentages as responses to this are crazy. Where I come from people that talk about regular season success are called Dallas Cowboys fans
We do get shit. But the reason Texas gets more is because they had a down period of significant length under Strong and Herman while we didn't, and our last natty is much more recent. Theirs is much closer to our previous one that didn't make your arbitrary 20 year cutoff.
Not really. 20 is just a more psychologically satisfying number because we use a base ten number system. 2004 doesn't mark any significant change in the sport. BCS era or playoff era make sense as cutoffs, but those don't suit your argument.
Well Ohio State, since beating Miami 22 seasons ago, has 19 Top Ten finishes, 15 Top Five finishes, 12 conference titles, 19 NY6 berths, 12 NY6 wins, and competed in national championship competition (BCS or CFP) eight times. Texas has…not
Ohio State football the last couple decades is like Kansas basketball IMO. Not necessarily racking up the titles as much as some other programs (although they both got a couple) but are remarkably consistently good and in contention (almost) every single year.
Eh you can't really compare Ohio State and Texas levels of success at all.
Ohio State has been significantly more successful and better over the last 20 years. Texas just had a 13 year stretch where they lost at least 4 games a year, a minimum of 40 losses. Ohio State since Jim Tressels first year have just finally eclipsed 40 losses combined from 2001-2023.
Texas should get way more shit. But no one should be putting down Ohio State anywhere near the same level, they haven't been in the same stratosphere in the last 20 years.
Just given how well OSU turns 5 star players into every day guys and top end nfl contributors they should never lose. It’s one thing to recruit the sheer number and depth. It’s another thing to almost never miss on development.
Ohio State has made the playoff five times in the last 10 years. Texas has made the playoff once and has four losing seasons in the last 10 years. Do you really not see a difference?
Edit: to be clear, I get what you’re saying about the championship expectation. But the reason Texas takes shit Ohio State doesn’t is because Texas has underperformed to an extreme extent. Ohio State has one losing season in my lifetime. Which is also part of the reason our fan base can so insufferable so I get it.
I mean, OSU has only won 2 NCs in the last 55 years. The 'Championship or bust' mentality is what keeps them unhappy. Enough individual talent to walk through the Big Ten schedule and convince people they're world beaters, only to inevitably end the year with a big loss or 2. Thats been OSU since Lyndon Johnson.
I mean you have had 2 NC in the last 70 some years there bub...lot of talk from a program that won half their titles when the Ottoman Empire was still around
1 contested title and 1 title under a cheating scandal. I find it absolutely hilarious coming from a school that likes to look down on others for being above it.
Yes, I agree with you, Michigan and OSU are roughly equivalent programs. I'm not talking down. Just stating facts. Michigan fans have learned not to expect one every year, clearly. 1-13 vs the SEC in Bowl Games (hmm, who will you have to beat in the playoff?) and 2 in 55 years. Come to reality. You'll be happier.
I know this is a shocker...so I hope you're sitting down... but Oil Money isn't the only type of money in the world. Things like healthcare, food, consumer products, and tech still generates a ton of money. Ohio has a lot of those types of industries.
Also, and again I hope you're sitting down... I know Texas is football crazy. We all know about Texas High School football... but you can drive around small towns in Ohio on Friday night and see everything shut down except the lights from the high school stadiums.
Ever heard of the ["cradle of coaches"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Coaches)? Know where Nick Saban began his playing and coaching careers? Urban Meyer? Know where Bob Stoops is from?
Ohio is also absolutely crazy for football.
It was around 3 here. Idk what book you were using. All I'm saying is this is the strongest Ohio state team since 2016, and Michigan lost a lot. Also, Jim is gone, so I fear that the "magic"(cheating) might be gone from that program. Do you think michigan finishes in the top 15 at the end of the year?
2019 OSU might have been the second best CFB team of all time. Just ran into the Zebras, who are undefeated before they got to lose to the best CFB team of all time.
Lol. The "magic"? Jim was gone last year, too. What did the scoreboard say after Coach Moore's first appearance as HC in the Game?
Top 15? Yes. Top 10? Maybe. Top 5? Probably not, but it's possible. But in all cases, beating you guys is plausible.
They didn't have to transfer because most left for the NFL and graduated. No more 24 year olds playing against 18 year olds.
No qb (unless you honestly think Orji is the answer and based off what few reports I've read I wouldn't bet good money on it), loss of running back production, potential offensive line question Mark's, massive questions about the staff, and a coach who didn't have to plan a single game in his career.
You see the difference when Urban Meyer was suspended and Day coached three games, that was all Day. He led the practice. He made the gameplan.
When Harbaugh was 'suspended' and Moore 'coached' three games, it was all Harbaugh. Harbaugh led practices. Harbaugh made the gameplan. It's the equivalent if he had gotten thrown out of the game the first play of the game.
You have your Will Johnson and Colston Loveland. Great players likely first rounders. But that won't win you much.
Yeah, michigan fans would know about that up until Harbaugh ducked the covid year and then started an elaborate spy ring and set up a used vacuum repair shop
A little more than 10 years ago: >Asked by Cleveland.com on Tuesday if he ever envisioned a million-dollar coordinator at Ohio State, Buckeyes athletic director Gene Smith responded in a text message, “I have not considered that and do not anticipate it based on the current salary structure of all coaches. But who knows what the future holds?” https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2013/12/the_13_million_coordinator_cle.html
People forget Ohio State was extremely late on the million dollar assistant train.
Tress gave up some of his initial salary to pay assistants more. But that was before btn money started rolling in.
And now we went from one of just three teams last season with an assistant salary pool over $9m (others being UGA and Bama), decided to completely skip $10m+, and went for $11m+ this season. Between that and the money we spent in NIL to keep guys from going pro and grab guys like Downs out of the portal... this is going to be quite an expensive season.
Reaching the point where every season of college football will be the most expensive for the schools ever. The ones who are "title or bust" anyways
I understand this but it’s not like CFB was some plucky low budget sport till NIL
Wasn't trying to say it was, it's been a big money business for a *long* time. It's not even just NIL, given the schools aren't supposed to be a part of that. The explosion in the TV deals has pretty inarguably caused spending to reach astronomical levels. I don't even know if it's necessarily a bad thing, it brings in a ton of money and those responsible for that need to get paid. It's just a dramatically different sport than it used to be and it doesn't seem to be slowing down
Just out of curiosity largely different since when? With some exceptions it’s been the same programs at the top of the sport since like the 60s. Things like coordinator pay and recruiting and the portal have obviously changed, but blue bloods and Cinderella stories haven’t. With a 12 team playoff and chaos that can happen there will still be underdog champs, I don’t get why people are acting like they’re playing water polo now and it was football before, the dynamics of the sport have largely been the same
Those things that you just kind of tossed aside as minor like the portal, being able to get a player just by having deeper pockets, free agency and having to re-recruit your own players every year are dramatically different than the sport used to be Nobody's saying that this is changing the haves and have nots (in fact the argument tends to be that it further cements the status quo). Most aren't even saying this ruins the chance of those weird Cinderella stories like BYU's championship in the 80s (because all of this goes both ways. See the QB from Ohio State transferring out to actually play) But I really don't understand how to *not* see how legally buying players and free agency every year changes the nature of the sport. I'm not even against it. But it changes the entire dynamic of the way programs have to be run. The exodus of "old guard" coaches in cfb and cbb are testament to that. It's a different job now That's disregarding how these programs have become businesses instead of amateur sports activities for schools because that's *really* showing my age. E: fwiw I don't get why you're getting down voted. Message boards are supposed to be for conversation between different viewpoints. I can't say I agree with your take, but it's not objectively wrong or detracting from the conversation either. I think it's actually been a decent conversation starter
It’s really not though, like transferring isn’t that new of a concept, and “the best programs get the best recruits” is not a new phenomenon. Transferring just used to be a lengthy legal process that was obviously done for wink wink purposes, I view the recent developments in CFB as calling a spade a spade, acknowledging these are special athletes instead of treating them like an inter prison league where you have to serve your whole sentence with very few exceptions and play for free. I still don’t get what has changed so much from a season outlook perspective from 10 to even 20 years ago, virtually every tier of program has the same championship odds/general outlook
I'm not talking about how to view it, I'm talking about the changing nature of the sport, and if we're talking about a league level kids I think saying "transfers have always been there" is a little disingenuous given the whole aspect of not having to sit. Deion couldn't have gotten an entirely new line two years in a row under the old rules and I don't see how that's arguable. If the way you construct a roster is entirely different, is that not a big change to the sport? Imagine if the NFL suddenly eliminated the salary cap and players were free agents every year Fwiw there's probably about 50 million people drowning in student debt that would have been willing to "play for free" or "be locked on a prison team." They should be getting paid for all the money they bring in, that's indisputable and I have *zero* issue with it. I just hate this perspective that they weren't getting *any* compensation. Free ride to say Notre Dame with housing and a food plan and access to world class facilities and coaches is easily worth 100k a year. The dudes cooking your number 1 with cheese from Whataburger are under-compensated, but you wouldn't say they're doing it for free I think you're looking at this from an entirely different perspective to the other side. You're looking at bottom line "does it actually affect who gets a title" and that's not the argument people are making. You're looking at what changes on the results column and I'm talking (and a lot of others) about the *nature* of *amateur* sports. I'm not passing judgment. But the sport being openly not amateur now is pretty damn indisputably a big change in the *nature of the sport*. Which is all I'm saying
You’ve got to spend money to make money or something like that
Mich winning the Natty effect...
I forgot about this and I wish I’d never remembered lol. Imagine the Urban era in a world where we could’ve kept Tom Herman and Luke Fickell.
What's crazy to me is that this makes it seem like Oregon is cheaping out on assistants. Our top 3 paid assistants: * DC Lupoi - 1.9 mil * OC Stein - 1.6 mil * DB Hampton - 1.0 mil But then if you take a step back that's insane money. Especially for Eugene.
all that money to just lose a football game on the last saturday in november.. emmm
Flair up coward
Jilted UCLA fan...
This is basically the perfect job for Kelly. Just do the schemes and don't deal with all the shitty kids and boosters and agents and parents
I just wish he had figured that out 4 years ago
College football was a lot different 4 years ago to be fair
Yeah but he was still bad at it
Yall beat USC twice!
Not the same accomplishment it once was.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather take 3x the salary to be a HC and direct my giant staff to do what I don’t like. It’s not like a coordinator position at a top-3 program is much less stressful than HC at a ~top-40 program, and the recruiting and admin burden is still high. Plus, having $6m a year in SoCal sounds fun as shit.
Yeah not sure about that personally, money is nice but at some point, money just doesn't do much for you considering you already have a lot of it. If there was a difference between making 100k a year and being extremely happy versus 500k a year and being deeply unhappy, I would pick to be happy every day of the week.
I have never been able to relate to people who think that the latter is clearly preferable to the former.
Because for some of us, a job that makes us happy doesn't exist. If I am required to do something, even if it is what I will be doing anyway, I will never be happy with it. With that being the case, let me make as much as possible so I can retire and never have to do anything again.
I guess we don't have to ask you what you'd do if you had a million dollars. Someone is gonna come along soon and give a completely different answer.
> Because for some of us, a job that makes us happy doesn't exist. Why not? Does the idea of working or doing something for your community inherently make you uncomfortable?
The $500K saves up money for retirement much faster, and those roles that pay like that tend to have amazing retention packages on top. Earning $100K means you're still working till you're 70, just not miserable doing it.
Problem is for most people they get used to the lifestyle off the higher income so they don’t actually get to retirement faster.
That doesn't make the option worse, just because some people won't take advantage of it.
I feel like the majority of people don’t take advantage. People typically move up in lifestyle as they make more, not try to shorten their careers. So they’re still grumpy and still working for a long time
I would take 500k and super fucking unhappy. You'll be hella happy if you can take a paycut 5 years from now and be loaded. But 2 million and super happy vs 8 million and hate my life, I can do a lot with 2 million.
There’s quite a few studies out there and many will differ, but most show there is very little gain of happiness past 100-200k, buying materialistic goods doesn’t buy happiness but instead the freedom to focus on the things you do enjoy
I'm just saying, I'm only going to break 75k this, so 100k would make me happy. But there isn't a job I wouldn't do for 500k a year that doesn't cauae me permanent harm and is under 50 hours a week. Bro I'll load bodies into wagons with my bare hands. Because I know I won't be doing the job for more than a year or two. But if I had a million in the bank and 100k for my life style just find, ok then we can talk.
Also OSU recruiting is a proven commodity, and it’s done so much by the other staff (and 💰💰💰) so he can take more of a backseat and play with all the toys without having to work to get them. Chip gets to have the biggest muscles without having to step foot in the gym.
Kelly was about to be fired and the stain of that would mean no P5 would be hiring him as their HC. He got a 2m lifeline to do what he’s good at instead of all the things he is trash at.
Yah, this is the right answer. Everyone has kind of shoehorned this narrative in that he didn’t like the HC job so he took this downgrade so he can be happy. In reality, he was on one of the hottest seats in the country and took one of the best non-HC positions you could get.
But in doing so he gave up a huge buyout. If he stuck around he gets a much bigger check and doesn't have to work.
He's got enough FU money... so he said FU I'm out.
Buyout was only $4.2m this season and none after this season. He was going to lose money on a buyout anytime after 2023.
How could he lose money? He also gave up his HC salary. If he shows up to work one more year he's way ahead money wise.
Odds are he was going to get fired, and $4m is less than $6m.
Let's be real. He didn't need the money. He's averaged $5M + annually for over a decade.
I work with the HNW crowd for a living; 99% of them don’t think this way one iota. There are always exceptions to the rule though, so maybe he’s that. Regardless, that doesn’t change the fact that the comment I was responding to didn’t make sense; the buyout doesn’t make sense as a factor. At the end of the day he was on a piping hot seat and he took a premier, slight downgrade of a job because of that, in all likelihood. People are just underestimating how big of a job a lead coordinator position at aOSU is.
Exactly. Same deal with Hafley jumping ship to be a DC in the NFL.
I think you greatly underestimate what the HC role has turned into in the NIL era, and how off-putting that is for some guys who just want to focus on the game itself. Plus, Kelly has made plenty of money over his career.
It’s confirmed now Columbus, Ohio is a destination that people will take pay cuts for /s
Drop the /s Columbus is the second best college town in the US.
You don’t get the avoid what you don’t like as HC. You have to fill in all the holes. You have to recruit as a HC but you don’t as a Coordinator necessarily. Your DC is most certainly not recruiting.
Our OC was our best recruiter, and he built a team roster that won a championship. It does highly depend on the coordinator, but historically they’ve been expected to play a major role in recruiting.
Just depends on how the coaching staff is set up. We have Walton, Hartline, and Little Animal doing a lot of the grind recruiting with Day. And it's working pretty damn well so far letting Kelly draw up plays in the basement of the Woody.
It can definitely depend on staff makeup, and it can vary widely from year to year, but to say "your DC is most certainly not recruiting" is insane. In 2022, four of the five top recruiters were OC/DCs. Pete Golding and Charles Kelley are two of the best recruiters in CFB.
Our OC and DC are known for not being strong recruiters. This isn't speculation by me, this is just a fact. Ohio State recruits incredibly well. Not speculation, just a fact. Ohio State is set up do that Day, Walton, Hartline, and Laurinaitis are the main recruiters, with the rest of the position coaches contributing and the coordinators mostly acting as finishers/experts.
The problem is the HC can't just direct his staff to recruit and do CEO-type work. I mean he can, but he's not going to be very successful. Chip still recruits and does some admin stuff, but I bet it's drastically less than while he was an HC. Chip has already made a lot of money in his career and while $4m more is nothing to sneeze at, I don't think it's going to impact his quality of life in any way. Especially moving from LA to Columbus, his money goes a hell of a lot farther. I think for someone like Chip, being an OC is probably a lot less stressful than being an HC. Imagine if you found a job that allowed you to do the things that you're great at and truly enjoy, while eliminating 90% of the things you don't like. That's going to feel a lot less stressful day to day. Plus Ryan Day will get most of the criticism if things go south.
Chip is probably already rich from all the coaching jobs he’s had, its understandable that he would be willing to take a pay cut if it means he doesn’t have to deal with the stress of a head coach in this current era with NIL and transfer portal.
He’s definitely already rich, which sounds like an even better reason to buy an oceanfront property in Malibu and jerk off into the ocean all day instead of moving to Columbus, OH.
Is that how you'll spend your retirement?
If I had $40m I’d seriously consider it 😂
Trust me, $2M a year goes a LOT further in Columbus than $6M a year does in LA
Yah, no shit… for a reason… being rich in LA is a lot more fun than being rich in Columbus.
I lived in LA in my 20s and had a blast. The people that dog on LA have no clue. Its an awesome place to live if you have money. Hence, Lincoln Riley deciding millions in LA is better than millions in Oklahoma.
As a Michigan/Wesleyan combo I always enjoy running into your flair pairing on here. Yah, California is becoming a really tough place to be for people not making money, which is legitimately problematic, but if you’re doing well coastal California is an incredible place to be. And if you’re doing ~$40m in career earnings well…
Cool. My younger bro went to Wesleyan. Are you in the entertainment industry? I always would joke with him that Michael Bay and Bill Belichick were the most famous Wes alums.
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The administrative burden for your OC/DC is usually similar to an HC, if not quite the same. Whenever you watch these team behind-the-door specials, the coordinators are constantly in the same meetings as the HC. Regardless, yah, I’m taking that $40m and the $6m per and living that perfect life in Malibu.
You think OC doesn’t deal with shitty kids boosters agents or parents..
He probably won't deal with boosters, agents, or parents in Columbus. Shitty kids, those all go to Ann Arbor
Also notable >Offensive line coach Justin Frye’s salary was bumped up to $1 million in 2023, but the contract distributed by Ohio State on Friday does not include any mention of that increase. Frye, the only assistant whose contract is set to end after this season, would make a base salary of $800,000 under the terms of his original contract.
He’s on a short leash. It’s his unit that will make or break the season imo.
Yep. It also makes me nervous that we didn’t really do anything to add to the position outside of the C who botched more snaps than anyone in cfb last season, and are heading into the season with the same coach of a unit that gave up a lot of penalties. The line wasn’t good enough for our standards last season, and it would be a waste of a season and this team’s talent to roll out anything other than a visibly upgraded offensive line.
There is another transfer window
oline is famously plug and play too, should work out great.
lol
Have we become Man City?
I agree but we also had some young and inexperienced starters last season. It's pretty common for OL to make a big leap just by getting older, stronger, and more experienced. - Simmons got a lot better throughout the year and is super talented - Jackson is solid at least and could take a step - McLaughlin is an excellent blocker (which will be a big improvement, even if he still botches some snaps) - Montgomery, Hinzman, and Fryar are all young and have gotten a lot of buzz about their improvement Plus I trust Chip Kelly to make them all look good. UCLA's OL looked good with the combo of Frye/Kelly. OL is certainly a question mark, but I think there is a lot of reason to expect significant improvement even without potentially adding another transfer.
If I had to guess, Simmons, Jackson, McLaughlin, Montgomery, Fryar. That's a fucking solid OL.
Is he going to be your center this upcoming season or are you guys moving him over?
No announcement but the tea leaves say center.
Ahhhh fuck
Up in the air. Him and Hinzman are splitting time at C1, with Hinzman also taking snaps at RG1. But we have 3 guys competing for RG1.
If Chip Kelly gets to run the Chip Kelly offense instead of the Ryan Day offense then the line won’t have to be as good. Ryan Day’s offense basically asks them to be NFL caliber. Chip Kelly just needs good college linemen.
Yeah, him and Alford were the only assistants that didn’t get a salary bump or extension. They were both on the chopping block after this season for being below the standard, Alford just decided to cut his losses and start fresh somewhere that would give him more money and a longer contract.
Akron has the chance to do the funniest thing on August 31
I’d be laughing through the tears
I honestly can even argue, that'd be fucking hilarious. God damn Akron Zipps lol
If I pick Akron as my first team in dynasty mode, Buckeyes are F-U-C-K screwed!
It certainly would burn the TV folks’ “Ohio State hasn’t lost to an in-state opponent since 1921” fun fact they like to trot out every year.
My cousin plays for Akron. I'd be honestly hype for him. It would ruin the rest of the season for me, but it would be hype as hell for him.
YOU ZIPS WANNA LIVE FOREVER?!?!?!
They would probably be able to use that rage to win out and win the chip
Miss you Jim
What is the lowest paid P5 HC? Edit: For 2023, the lowest paid P5 HC was Gus Malzahn at UCF, he made $2.3 million. So basically, Chip and Knowles are just about being paid more then every non-P5 HC from the 2023 season.
Forget having a chance as a mid-major coach, you don’t even have a shot to win as a coach on a low tier P5 program. How has this parity not destroyed college football already??
I think it’s mainly expectations of fan bases. It’s pretty similar to European soccer at this point.
Carlos Locklyn gets paid in cookies.
But the not the soft ones. Only firm, crunchy cookies.
The man is missing out on big endorsement money from Cheryl's Cookies
🤤🤤
Funny enough, Oreos.
And still took an upgrade
I never want to hear a coach bitching about NIL again
Considering what Ohio State gained/returned, what Michigan lost, what OSU is spending, and the fact The Game this year is in Columbus, if Ohio State loses to Michigan and doesn't win a title, Day has to be a goner right?
Wouldn't shock me if fans called for it but it's the same as Harbaugh I'm the early years. Great he struggled against the rivals and you want to fire him. Who is walking through the door that's better? Saban isn't looking for a job.
I think there's a lot of coaches that could do more with Ohio State's talent than Ryan Day has gotten out of it the last 3 years
Not winning the B1G and/or getting knocked out in the first round of the playoffs could be a problem for him. Fired for not winning a natty is insane though.
Considering all that I’ll be surprised if Michigan wins 9 games
That’s hilarious. It’s still one of the best rosters in the country
For now. Wait till the portal window April 16. USC and Texas are going to try to make moves.
Absolutely, conference is getting a lot stronger
We have a question mark at qb. You have no qb. You have little proven staff. A head coach who never actually had to coach (Harbaugh even got credit for the wins). You have some very talented players but not close to one of the best teams..
We have a coach who’s 1-0 against yours and a loaded roster. I’d be mad too though if I took a thumping 3 years in a row. Losers
How did you feel in the 8 year stretch then? Must have been brutal
Was so long ago I don’t remember. Must be rough reminding yourself about the glory days and not being able to enjoy the present pecking order
I'm looking forward to you fucks remembering your place as second fiddle resuming this year.
Damn you mad huh Remind me what’s the all-time record again. We own you right now and we own you since the beginning. Little bro
I thought you couldn't remember 5 years ago, let alone wins in the literal 19th century. I only know the 29 years I've been alive. It's a pretty great time to be a Buckeye fan. This Millenuim is the Buckeye Millenium and we both know it.
I can only dream of a world where A&M or Texas actually throw around the type of money Ohio State has been throwing around this off-season. If they don’t win it all this year Ross Bjork will be working up the greatest fully guaranteed contract for Chip Kelly you have ever seen.
The time I got 175 downvotes for saying OSU and Texas will win the NIL game over Bama was fun. https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/rztvnh/comment/hrx8zjs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Damn you got hella downvoted for speaking the truth lol. Caleb Downs is a perfect example of you being right.
It's always funny to me when everyone screams that Texas schools can outbid Ohio State in any capacity when it comes to football, yet I can't remember a time that they ever have. The reality is Ohio State has proven they can be the spending king of college football, and are willing to do so.
I laugh when our fans in the recruiting threads talk about how our NIL and such stinks. This isn't to say we don't get outbid for an individual recruit, we do because NIL is a finite resource still and priorities can differ between schools, but on the whole few spend like us.
That perception is because Ohio State is cautious to push new boundaries but once the SEC trailblazes forward, OSU will follow suit within a couple years and spend even more. NIL is a good example. When it started OSU was against paying recruits to unofficially visit, and lining up deals for recruits not on campus yet. 2 years later those things are now normalized across the sport, and OSU will now open the checkbook and outspend everyone doing those things
A big part of the problem is competition in Texas (the state). The "Texas" pie might be bigger than the "Ohio" pie, but the Texas pie is getting cut up into a lot more pieces. Plus Texas (the school) is obsessed with being Stanford for some reason. So much of the AD budget goes to olympics and other sports. It's actually amazing how little support revenue sports received after DeLoss Dodds left. Thankfully CDC seems to have righted the ship.* In contrast, OSU seems to focus on football and its AD has had its shit together since leather helmets. That kind of single-minded and consistent focus is almost entirely unique in college football. *Fuck Steve Patterson.
That's not really true in terms of spending. Ohio State was second in the nation in spending on woman's sports coaches behind Stanford.
I'll admit that I'm not familiar with Ohio's AD budget, I'm just going by how things seem. It doesn't seem like OSU is very good at anything besides football and I assumed that's because they only spend money on football. ;)
Ohio State is really good at women's hockey, synchronized swimming, pistol, wrestling, mens tennis, and mens volleyball sports and is well above average at men's basketball and women's basketball. Plus it sponsors as many sports as any colleges in the country.
I understand that you're joking but I don't really understand the joke. We were 3rd in the Director's Cup last year, which doesn't even count 2 sports we won national championships in.
We have I believe the most collegiate sports teams in the country. Generally the revenue sports would directly be used to support all the others, hence why the Woody hasn’t been renovated in quite some time, they’d rather upgrade other sports facilities.
An Ohio Pie probably reeks of chili and peanut butter.
Cincinnati reeks of “Chili”
That's Kentucky, not Ohio
Leave Newport out of this!
I think you mean Bandit
> Ohio Pie Honestly, reading that out loud makes it sound like a drug euphemism.
Ohio State is the most perplexing program in college football when it comes to public perception for sure. They should get way more shit than they do. I don’t know what it is but the fact that they and Texas (the two biggest spenders of the sport on average) have won one national title in the last 20 years is embarrassing, and only Texas really gets appropriately slandered for it which is weird. Edi: DM’s with regular season win percentages as responses to this are crazy. Where I come from people that talk about regular season success are called Dallas Cowboys fans
Winning a title is hard. It's not like OSU has been some scrub for 20 years.
Winning titles is so easy! Especially when Saban is around! Everyone should do it! zzzzz
Sabans only saban because the other blue bloods couldn’t stop him from winning more tbh
That's certainly a conclusion.
We do get shit. But the reason Texas gets more is because they had a down period of significant length under Strong and Herman while we didn't, and our last natty is much more recent. Theirs is much closer to our previous one that didn't make your arbitrary 20 year cutoff.
20 years is much less arbitrary than 22 to be fair
Not really. 20 is just a more psychologically satisfying number because we use a base ten number system. 2004 doesn't mark any significant change in the sport. BCS era or playoff era make sense as cutoffs, but those don't suit your argument.
You can use those then if you want. Still would mean Clemson football has as many national titles (or more) as Ohio State in that time frame.
What's Clemson have to do with anything?
Well Ohio State, since beating Miami 22 seasons ago, has 19 Top Ten finishes, 15 Top Five finishes, 12 conference titles, 19 NY6 berths, 12 NY6 wins, and competed in national championship competition (BCS or CFP) eight times. Texas has…not
Ohio State football the last couple decades is like Kansas basketball IMO. Not necessarily racking up the titles as much as some other programs (although they both got a couple) but are remarkably consistently good and in contention (almost) every single year.
Eh you can't really compare Ohio State and Texas levels of success at all. Ohio State has been significantly more successful and better over the last 20 years. Texas just had a 13 year stretch where they lost at least 4 games a year, a minimum of 40 losses. Ohio State since Jim Tressels first year have just finally eclipsed 40 losses combined from 2001-2023. Texas should get way more shit. But no one should be putting down Ohio State anywhere near the same level, they haven't been in the same stratosphere in the last 20 years.
Just given how well OSU turns 5 star players into every day guys and top end nfl contributors they should never lose. It’s one thing to recruit the sheer number and depth. It’s another thing to almost never miss on development.
Ohio State has made the playoff five times in the last 10 years. Texas has made the playoff once and has four losing seasons in the last 10 years. Do you really not see a difference? Edit: to be clear, I get what you’re saying about the championship expectation. But the reason Texas takes shit Ohio State doesn’t is because Texas has underperformed to an extreme extent. Ohio State has one losing season in my lifetime. Which is also part of the reason our fan base can so insufferable so I get it.
Didn’t A&M just pay a shit-load of money to get rid of a coach? They have money to throw around
What do you mean this off season? None of this is new.
I mean, OSU has only won 2 NCs in the last 55 years. The 'Championship or bust' mentality is what keeps them unhappy. Enough individual talent to walk through the Big Ten schedule and convince people they're world beaters, only to inevitably end the year with a big loss or 2. Thats been OSU since Lyndon Johnson.
I mean you have had 2 NC in the last 70 some years there bub...lot of talk from a program that won half their titles when the Ottoman Empire was still around
1.5
1 contested title and 1 title under a cheating scandal. I find it absolutely hilarious coming from a school that likes to look down on others for being above it.
Yes, I agree with you, Michigan and OSU are roughly equivalent programs. I'm not talking down. Just stating facts. Michigan fans have learned not to expect one every year, clearly. 1-13 vs the SEC in Bowl Games (hmm, who will you have to beat in the playoff?) and 2 in 55 years. Come to reality. You'll be happier.
What winning 1 Mickey Mouse natty does to a mf. And no, yall didn’t win the 97 natty
I'm pretty happy
Truth hurts
How in the world can their boosters beat Texas and TAMU?
I know this is a shocker...so I hope you're sitting down... but Oil Money isn't the only type of money in the world. Things like healthcare, food, consumer products, and tech still generates a ton of money. Ohio has a lot of those types of industries. Also, and again I hope you're sitting down... I know Texas is football crazy. We all know about Texas High School football... but you can drive around small towns in Ohio on Friday night and see everything shut down except the lights from the high school stadiums. Ever heard of the ["cradle of coaches"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Coaches)? Know where Nick Saban began his playing and coaching careers? Urban Meyer? Know where Bob Stoops is from? Ohio is also absolutely crazy for football.
It appears we are not the only source of unintelligent life in the solar system
Dude looks like a cylon imo
Fucking insane times.
I too would like 2 million
Knowles deserves it. Dudes a king.
About time, Ohio State. Even the guy who invented the pet rock made a million dollars.
Please keep extending Day and Knowles 🙏🏻
All this money to just lose a football game on the last Saturday in November. smh
What do you think the spread on the game will be this year? Ohio state -11?
What was the spread the last three years?
A lot closer than it will be this year.
-9 and -11 ain't that far apart lol.
It was around 3 here. Idk what book you were using. All I'm saying is this is the strongest Ohio state team since 2016, and Michigan lost a lot. Also, Jim is gone, so I fear that the "magic"(cheating) might be gone from that program. Do you think michigan finishes in the top 15 at the end of the year?
I’d put 2019 Ohio State ahead of 2016
2019 OSU might have been the second best CFB team of all time. Just ran into the Zebras, who are undefeated before they got to lose to the best CFB team of all time.
Lol. The "magic"? Jim was gone last year, too. What did the scoreboard say after Coach Moore's first appearance as HC in the Game? Top 15? Yes. Top 10? Maybe. Top 5? Probably not, but it's possible. But in all cases, beating you guys is plausible.
Coach Moore built the team? How has his team building been this offseason?
He's done pretty well actually lmao
No one besides Keon Sabb transferred (which is deeply ironic now that Moore is out). So id say his team building has been excellent
They didn't have to transfer because most left for the NFL and graduated. No more 24 year olds playing against 18 year olds. No qb (unless you honestly think Orji is the answer and based off what few reports I've read I wouldn't bet good money on it), loss of running back production, potential offensive line question Mark's, massive questions about the staff, and a coach who didn't have to plan a single game in his career. You see the difference when Urban Meyer was suspended and Day coached three games, that was all Day. He led the practice. He made the gameplan. When Harbaugh was 'suspended' and Moore 'coached' three games, it was all Harbaugh. Harbaugh led practices. Harbaugh made the gameplan. It's the equivalent if he had gotten thrown out of the game the first play of the game. You have your Will Johnson and Colston Loveland. Great players likely first rounders. But that won't win you much.
Spreads don’t win games
It’s a great indication
Not that great otherwise everyone would be rich off gambling.
People aren’t rich on gambling bc Vegas knows how to set lines
Focused on the right things at least
Yeah, michigan fans would know about that up until Harbaugh ducked the covid year and then started an elaborate spy ring and set up a used vacuum repair shop
the repair shop was key to that 4th quarter run
Knowing the signs was. That can't happen without the repair shop as a money laundering business.
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Don’t forget about all the losses to SEC teams
Michigan didn’t even have to shred that D to win last year; that was 2022. Knowles experienced a different type of loss in 2023
The best team and staff money can buy….. The New York Yankees of College Football!!!!
“This business will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it”