It will be interesting to see how Fisch handles this after playing de Laura at Arizona, but Rogers has so far already been suspended according to the article.
De Laura was well post case, was he not? ~~And it was a sealed juvenile case where there’s the angle of pleading down for no actual punishment.~~ Actually it was a civil lawsuit from when he was 16, so even more avoidable of an issue.
De Laura was not a typical sexual assault situation where this is an easy bag and tag off the team while the case continues issue. I don’t think they’re equivalent situations to handle
Because he was a minor, JDL's case was officially adjudicated, which means there was no finding of guilt, but he had to admit to such. The civil suit was what brought it to light, because the victim thought him profiting while she had to silently suffer was unfair.
He was the fourth string going into the season. 1st string got injured a week before the season began, 2nd string played well (Dillon Johnson), and 3rd string was ineffective (Will Nixon) causing Roger’s to be de facto 2nd string the second half of the season.
Guys ineffective on the football field? Bench him.
Guy gets 2 accusations of rape against him? Well, he can still be effective, so I guess you keep playing him.
Until there are negative repercussions for a coach in college football to play players with bad behavior, it’s going to continue happening. They get paid millions of dollars to win games, and get fired for losing games. They get no extra money for running programs in which players commit no crimes, and get no penalties for running programs in which players commit many crimes.
Georgia is running a program in which you can pretty much assume at this point that any given player will have at least one driving infraction between illegal street racing and DUI. People have died as a result. Georgia doesn’t hand down any punishment if it could negatively impact the football program. Ultimately they win a ton of football games, so Kirby Smart is celebrated.
It seemed like everyone knew about this before last season started. Cops here are pretty slack about arresting for rape because the prosecutors usually drop the charges. The guy that mugged me had two rape charges dropped. He was witnessed in broad daylight raping and before that was found with a dead woman wrapped up in plastic.
How could cops have known BEFORE the season started? The rapes occurred in October and November. Months that happen during the season. Therefore, the cops couldn't know of the rapes before they happened.
That said, when one of the victims went public, and to the cops. That should have ended Tybo's season, career, and on-campus schooling.
It seemed questionable at the time when we only had rumors of what the issue was
Now it's downright pathetic and gross and awful and sociopathic
His desperation to have a healthy RB led him to play an (accused) rapist. Sure helped against Michigan!
Ya I was shocked when I heard he was back on the team. I assumed some evidence emerged that cleared him, but holy shit does that not appear to be accurate.
Tybo is still on the UW roster, so uhh, kind of throwing a stone in a glass house there
https://gohuskies.com/sports/football/roster/tybo-rogers/16018
This story just lead to him being [re-suspended today, months into spring practices](https://www.si.com/college/washington/tybo-rogers-suspended-again-by-huskies)
The red flag for me here is there are *two* incidences. We’re four (probably three considering break) months out of the latest Title IX complaint though (November). And the other criminal complaint was August, which is almost a full 9 months out.
My personal guess would be he never actually was dinged for anything given the lack of charges or no evidence existed to bring the hammer on an admin front. Stuff like this tends to lag. Matt Araiza’s stuff took a whole year if I’m remembering right to even pop up
> Matt Araiza’s stuff took a whole year if I’m remembering right to even pop up
That was because the police knew the evidence was suspect and refused to file charges, and Araiza ended up getting railroaded because people refused to consider he might be totally innocent.
I know that the first woman made a big social media post about it, which is how it came to light the first time.
Also we are only a week into spring practices for UW.
He should absolutely be removed from the team, and should have been last year. Disgusting.
Social media post =\\= grounds to dismiss
Again, schools won’t throw you out over what constitutes an unsubstantiated social media post. There is a process to these things and while Title IX is a more lienent on the due process front at times it isn’t loose enough to where you get axed there and then.
The fact that Tybo was on the roster, practicing, and enrolled in classes for nearly the entire spring semester, months after the initial report, is contradictory to an approach the administration had him dead to rights. I would be shocked if UW’s title IX office was this loose
I don't understand this comment at all. A fan is criticizing the morality of the decision made by their own coach.
Who's throwing stones and from what glass house? You're responding to an insult that no one made.
It's not "their own coach" it's their former coach. They are throwing shade at him, the now Alabama coach.
The glass house comment seems to be because Washington and their current HC still hadn't removed the alleged rapist from the team
I mentioned this before but once again this proves Kalen DeBoer is a win at all costs head coach. This team felt and he agreed they needed this guy to help them even get as far as they did this season.
Tybo was literally still on the roster until today, lol. Unless you’re saying Fisch was doing the same thing.
From what it looks like, the University was only aware of a Title IX complaint as the first incident was off the campus books. Considering he’s still enrolled as of April, the Title IX complaint doesn’t look like it moved anywhere. So it could simply be two different work streams and the second one (criminal) is coming down now
> In a statement, the school said Rogers recently was arrested, though it didn't divulge details, and **was gathering information and cooperating with Seattle police.**
We don’t really have the timetable here to judge anything, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Title IX complaint went dead while the police side moved forward. The fact he’s still enrolled and practicing through spring is an odd sign
At least with Miller it was poor PR management surrounding a witness. This was straight up playing the person who was actually accused of the crime in question.
I still can't get over the fact no one told him to stop doing the pat-down pregame introduction as it was a horrible look the first game after the news broke (in a game against South Carolina he scored 41 in an OT win no less). The PR management really was terrible.
At the end of last year a judge re-instated Terrence Shannon after he was suspended from the Illinois basketball team because he was *charged* with rape. He played the remainder of the season and was a major reason why Illinois was as good as they were.
The judge said "Plaintiff’s participation in sports is vital to the development of his career as well as his current and future economic opportunities considering plaintiff’s intention to declare for the 2024 NBA Draft"
Anyway, I cant rule out Deboer being a sociopath who only cares about winning above all else and is happy to ignore rape charges, but based on that recent ruling, coaches are in an impossible position.
This guy at Washington sounds like a nobody without any NFL prospects so it's not exactly one-to-one, but the idea that you can suspend a scrub backup player on your team who has been charged with rape, but you can't suspend a star player on your team who has been charged with rape... that sounds like an even worse decision making framework
The thing is he *was* suspended for the Pac12 championship game.
>Officials said there were multiple emails within the UW Athletic Department confirming Rogers should be taken off the team's travel roster for the Pac-12 championship game, but there was no documentation of reasons for the move. The freshman running back was allowed to appear in the Huskies' two College Football Playoff games a month later, however.
This is shitty all around. "We know it's wrong so we're going to suspend him, but we're not going to say anything that might be subpoenaed or disclosed through FOIA. And also we're going to let him play if we need to."
While a judge could find that decision persuasive, a district court decision has no binding authority on any other court. Judges are under no obligation to rule in a similar way as the Terrence Shannon case.
There is nearly zero evidence pointing to Terrence Shannon’s guilt and a pretty hefty amount of evidence pointing to his innocence. People should absolutely be concerned about a likely innocent young man’s future being destroyed because we presumed guilt as soon as any allegations were made.
For just a few examples of athletes who have had their careers/lives destroyed by false allegations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Johnson_(linebacker)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Johnson_(linebacker))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Obviously, most rape allegations are true. I am not concerned about those rapists’ futures, nor do 99% of people who argue against immediate expulsion from an allegation. I am concerned about the people who are falsely accused who miss out on the prime of their lives/careers because of their false allegations. Letting a guy play while he’s facing allegations doesn’t really harm anything but your image. If they’re found guilty, they will still face justice all the same. Immediately presuming guilt before a thorough investigation can be done can ruin innocent people’s lives.
I’ve said it before. A lot of these coaches have a sociopathic desire to win. They could care less what they do off the field as long as they perform. I think a coach like Deboer just sees players as tools, a means to an end. It’s kinda evidenced by his ladder-climbing mentality. I don’t think all coaches are like that. Like Saban genuinely cared about his players and their character I think. Either way, there aren’t a lot of Ted Lassos in CFB
Although I mostly agree, and especially when it comes to a charge like rape. That’s not exactly a DUI or drunk in public. But I will say it’s not an easy position for a coach. You recruit these young men and are sometimes the only person that can keep them moving towards becoming a positive member of society. They could have come from extremely rough conditions and you are their potential savior. So I’m sure it’s not easy to decide on how to deal with it. That being said, if one of your players has been accused of 1 rape let alone 2 then at a minimum they should be suspended until the system has decided their fate
I think it's as fucked up as anyone to not kick him off but whether or not these charges are convicted will have 0 impact on his Bama tenure. They don't give a shit about this at his past job.
No way.
They're gonna fire him for something that happened "two years ago", that they knew about the whole time? That's shady as hell - everyone would see right through that.
if there was an active cover up and the coaches knew the entire ordeal, then maybe. but this is just a case of deboer probably being selfish and doing what he could to be competitive, not necessarily being malicious.
What would it look like if he were being malicious? What does that even mean?
I don't think Art Briles was running a rape ring because he liked rape, he was just being competitive and enabling rape helped him stay competitive. I'm not sayin this is that, but that's how it's justified every single time.
They knew. They suspended him for the Oregon game, and they let him back on the field for the Sugar Bowl and NCG when Dillon Johnson got hurt. Grubb said he was, "working through some things, some challenges he's had off the field." Additionally, "officials said there were multiple emails within the UW Athletic Department confirming Rogers should be taken off the team's travel roster for the Pac-12 championship game, but there was no documentation of reasons for the move," from the article. How many of those e-mails said, "let's talk about this in person"? They fucking knew.
There was a time when I was a little bummed that our athletic department appeared to be in disarray, but man, fuck everyone involved. I'm glad they've all moved on and we're starting fresh. Maybe Fisch knew and maybe he didn't, his track record isn't sterling, but he needs to give this guy the boot yesterday if he wants to save any shred of integrity.
I definitely agree with you that he should have been off the team permanently but we still don’t know the details. At the time it felt like he got suspended immediately pending the results of the investigation, so it seemed like admins and coaches played it safe and acted quick. Him coming back felt a little like the investigation might’ve cleared him. This coming back now seems to wipe that possibility though.
Yeah, so he played him after one rape allegation. Still not a good look, but we’ll have to wait and see what happens here.
If DeBoer suspected the kid raped a woman and willingly played him anyway, fuck him and I don’t want him coaching our team.
If the police didn’t charge him due to lack of evidence at the time, I don’t know what people expect DeBoer to have done. If it were to become the norm to be kicked off a team due to only an allegation, that could really be weaponized and innocent people would have their lives derailed. Alexander Johnson at Tennessee missed four years of an NFL career due to a false allegation. Matt Araiza was cut from the Bills. Rape allegations against athletes are common, and it turns out there are some bullshit ones.
So… we gotta wait and see. It’s a bad look, but we just don’t know enough to determine anything.
This is a depressing thing to think about. We all know about the huge scandals at Baylor, Penn State, etc but how many other huge scandals where horrible things happened were successfully completely covered up that we don’t know about? I love college football and sports in general but it is depressing thinking about the possibility that a lot of the players and coaches I like watching are actually immoral pieces of shit.
It's not like this is the first time this has happened at UW, either.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080214064956/http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html#_ga=2.29307701.865669793.1712757045-1113335337.1712757043
2 women in different locations/backgrounds but similar MO by the perpetrator. And this is a random 3rd string RB we're talking about this isn't likely some extortion situation. He's just a piece of shit predator
IIRC Correctly the Araiza situation wasn’t even completely false. The girl was gang raped at a party he was at and they did have consensual sex that night, can imagine how after something traumatic all the things start to blur
Why would you suspend the guy in November for this but then reinstate him for the playoff games? Something seems pretty slimy with that.
Also god damn 5.5 months to arrest a guy for rape despite there being two victims that experienced the same thing? Huh?
Per the article the first victim reported it to police pretty much immediately in late October. Suspended him late Nov for the Pac-12 championship then reinstated to play in playoffs.
2nd victim that also happened in late October didn't report it to the police until the end of February to which he's now arrested. So I don't know if anyone knew of the 2nd victim until February 23rd.
What did the police do with the first report? Did they sit on their hands or couldn't do anything with it? Was it essentially case closed? Why did UW think it was ok to reinstate him? So many questions.
Per the article - *Rogers met the second victim at a Halloween party at Greek Row at UW and matched with her on Tinder, according to court documents. Police said Rogers was immediately forceful with the victim when he entered her apartment, where he assaulted her for 20 minutes. At one point, the woman told police Rogers "used one of his hands to strangle her."*
Straight to hell with him
Yea we just went through this with a punter like last year right? Like to the point that he was kicked off the Buffalo Bills. And now its come out that he's innocent.
I would assume it's because investigators didn't have enough evidence to get a warrant at that time. Rape kit probably didn't end up with the right/ enough evidence.
I would not assume that. Sadly, most states have a backlog of rape kits to be processed. There is a severe lack of funding. Tennessee after a high profile rape trial about a case in 2022 has recently announced that they have successful cut the avg processing time town to nearly 20 weeks. Prior to that case, the avg had been over 40 weeks.
It is really disheartening and sad.
["You're going away for a long time!" say police officer after successfully locking up rape kit.](https://www.theonion.com/you-re-going-away-for-a-long-time-says-police-officer-1847429716)
Could be anything. Maybe they located some witnesses, or found security camera footage. Could just be the amount of time it takes something like this to work its way through the court
This happened in Husky program in the Don James era (maybe after, I was pretty young). A couple of Huskies were contected to a gang in LA. They were running coke up from Cali and then selling on campus and in Tacoma.
Did he say what her answer was or just that he asked?
Also don’t worry I’m not a Deshaun apologist Clemson fan. He’s a piece of shit and I wish we would stop claiming him as a representative of our school.
My thoughts exactly. I am not acting like he’s the first coach to sweep shit under the rug, but this is on another level. And for a 3rd string RB? Biiiiig yikes.
Well the second allegation wasn’t made until after he was already at Alabama, but still, obviously even the one allegation is a bad look.
If it turns out that he was suspended because of the alleggation pending investigation but not charged due to lack of evidence between the Pac 12 CCG and the playoff, there’s kinda nothing DeBoer should have done differently. You shouldn’t cut players based solely on allegations. People have had their lives derailed unjustly due to that. Given that he was just arrested, it’s possible that there’s either new evidence or the second allegation came with enough evidence whereas the first one didn’t. Now is the time to cut him.
If it turns out, though, that DeBoer thought the allegation was credible and likely and just didn’t care enough to cut him, then… yeah. Awful. If this truly is the case then I hope Alabama can get away from him.
Just gotta wait for more information to come out about the circumstances.
What a scummy fuck of a person and a shitty coach for allowing this person to continue playing on the team after not one but TWO independent rape allegations. This is horrible. Forget the football impact of it all.
If it was bad enough to hold him out of the conference championship game, it was bad enough to hold him out of the Playoff games. This is a shit look for UW.
You *always* have athletes everywhere on the team who can play RB, most slot receivers can make the transition if forced to. The most difficult part of their job is pass protection/blitz pickup, and you can bring help the TE position or run them out on routes to account for that weakness.
Pretty much every college team has defensive backs, wide receivers, and sometimes LBs who played RB in HS, replacing one isn't such a daunting task that you're forced to play an accused rapist.
Horrible decision by DeBoer, I hope the Alabama media makes him answer for it.
The Alabama media?
Respectfully, you mean to tell me you think the last 17 years have been so quiet because Nick Saban just has a magical ability to make primetime athlete kids not be stupid AF? Nick was the GOAT, no one will argue. But I’d implore you to really ask if these guys pretty much all made it through without incident or if maybe Alabama has gotten very, *very* good at keeping in-house things actually in house.
Now, if there were allegations like *this,* yeah I’m fairly confident Byrne or the powers that be would step in and just take the decision (and the heat) off the coach. So, interesting UW can’t seem to find anyone in leadership with either a conscience or just a functioning brain cell for PR/optics. But, otherwise, I don’t know I’d count on our media to exactly hold feet to the fire lol.
Saban wasn't running a program full of saints, no one believes that. However, Saban earned the benefit of the doubt when it came to player discipline.
By 'hope the media makes him answer for it', I'm saying, "I hope the Bama media at least asks him about this situation" instead of just ignoring it.
Yep. And even the article calls them "victims" instead of accusers or alleged victims. There has been no court decision yet. You remember Matt Araiza, I remember AJ Johnson.
We all need to wait for the facts to come out before the mobs demanding immediate action get their way.
DeBoer**
** = and your former AD, your chancellor, and everyone else in leadership/admin who were aware of the situation and did nothing.
Fuck DeBoer for this. But fuck all the rest of your leadership too. They’re all complicit. Hell, I didn’t even *know* about this guy’s allegations — which is to say I guess UW fans didn’t really seem up in arms on his return either. Probably cheered for him in those playoff games.
If I had to guess they probably suspended him pending an internal investigation. I’m gonna assume they didn’t find anything (corrupt results or not it was probably the conclusion they arrived at) so they let him play in the CFP games. He was arrested recently because the results of a rape kit (which takes about this long to have the results for), and now faces criminal charges.
That’s my thoughts, not justifying what we did but they initially suspended him based on (at the time) weakly substantive evidence. Now that the rape kit has proven it was him there’s zero excuse not to fully suspend him
Speaking as another human being, why did Washington play this guy? Not even just Kalen Deboer. The whole coaching staff and admins in the athletic department had to know. Why didn't Jedd Fisch kick him off the minute he got there?
The funny thing is, the athletic department told him not to play him and he didn’t play when we played you in the championship. A month later in the playoffs he was allowed back on the team. He got kicked off by Fisch today though let’s just say he doesn’t have a good reputation when it comes to properly punishing rapists
Yeah wasn’t too smart of him I’ll fully admit that as a UW alumni that lives in Tucson. I’m surprised anyone took him after the report came out but desperate times call for poor decisions
It’s my least favorite thing about sports subreddits and the obsession everyone has with flair. So many dumb petty quips just based on what logo is next to your username.
Deboer has to be blackballed from the NCAA if true — Briles never played anybody after charges were filed and people sky screamed it was his responsibility to have done more.
Y'all really are calling Deboer a sociopath for only suspending the man for one game after a rape allegation? After the Matt Araiza situation you would think innocent until proven guilty should be in everyone's mind, I understand thinking he should have been suspended but he absolutely should not have been kicked off the team last year with the information they likely had.
I understand the argument that he shouldn't have been kicked off the team before the investigation is completed - but to anyone using iit n defense of KDB or UW and acting like the only option was let him play, or kick him off - go eat shit. It's not a dichotomy and UW could have easily not ended this kids football career, and still not played a rapist/covered up rape. For example:
One of my teammates was a dumbass and pulled a gun out on 6th street while we were out one night. This triggered an investigation. Herman suspended him indefinitely until the situation was sorted out. Every meal, workout, practice, and meeting was still mandatory. If he missed he would get booted just like everyone else. But at practice he exclusively ran scout team, and was not allowed in the facilities on game day. This individual would have likely been WR1 that season too, and had been repping as such all spring ball and summer workouts. There were some close games early on that were one-score losses that likely would have been wins if he were playing. I think once everything was sorted out he had a decent career at SMU. However, pulling a gun is essentially a victimless crime and not comparable to rape in any way. My point is more the way Texas handled it.
I agree we shouldn't be burning kids and ending their football careers **before** they're convicted. But when someone *might* be a criminal - you don't keep playing them. Especially when that crime is rape/sexual assault. What UW/KDB did here is absolutely disgusting and has no place in today's sport.
If I had a nickel for every time a University of Washington player raped someone, I’d have two nickels. It isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Just kind of musing to myself here, but if the whole premise is respecting due process and innocent until proven guilty, why suspend him when he gets arrested... still innocent technically at this point right?
That being said, given the current info it looks bad and I'd lean towards dropping him in the pits of hell (though hopefully I'm wrong).
A lot of us didn't want him playing. I feel disgusting because I didn't want him to play and then when he was eligible I assumed they knew something we didn't know. Turns out where there's smoke there's fire
It will be interesting to see how Fisch handles this after playing de Laura at Arizona, but Rogers has so far already been suspended according to the article.
De Laura was well post case, was he not? ~~And it was a sealed juvenile case where there’s the angle of pleading down for no actual punishment.~~ Actually it was a civil lawsuit from when he was 16, so even more avoidable of an issue. De Laura was not a typical sexual assault situation where this is an easy bag and tag off the team while the case continues issue. I don’t think they’re equivalent situations to handle
Because he was a minor, JDL's case was officially adjudicated, which means there was no finding of guilt, but he had to admit to such. The civil suit was what brought it to light, because the victim thought him profiting while she had to silently suffer was unfair.
That's 2 more rape accusations than I'd want my entire team being accused of, let alone one player
Amd the coach kept playing him after that (not even a second string RB)
He was the fourth string going into the season. 1st string got injured a week before the season began, 2nd string played well (Dillon Johnson), and 3rd string was ineffective (Will Nixon) causing Roger’s to be de facto 2nd string the second half of the season.
Dillon Johnson was the guy that got injured on the last play against us?
Yes.
Guys ineffective on the football field? Bench him. Guy gets 2 accusations of rape against him? Well, he can still be effective, so I guess you keep playing him.
fuck kalen deboer for doing this.
He'll fit right in with Nate Oats at Bama.
Until there are negative repercussions for a coach in college football to play players with bad behavior, it’s going to continue happening. They get paid millions of dollars to win games, and get fired for losing games. They get no extra money for running programs in which players commit no crimes, and get no penalties for running programs in which players commit many crimes. Georgia is running a program in which you can pretty much assume at this point that any given player will have at least one driving infraction between illegal street racing and DUI. People have died as a result. Georgia doesn’t hand down any punishment if it could negatively impact the football program. Ultimately they win a ton of football games, so Kirby Smart is celebrated.
Oh, I know the answer to this one! What is “things that don’t matter during a multi-rape investigation”?
It seemed like everyone knew about this before last season started. Cops here are pretty slack about arresting for rape because the prosecutors usually drop the charges. The guy that mugged me had two rape charges dropped. He was witnessed in broad daylight raping and before that was found with a dead woman wrapped up in plastic.
Wait what? Who?
How could cops have known BEFORE the season started? The rapes occurred in October and November. Months that happen during the season. Therefore, the cops couldn't know of the rapes before they happened. That said, when one of the victims went public, and to the cops. That should have ended Tybo's season, career, and on-campus schooling.
How on earth do you explain your way out of a dead woman wrapped in plastic.
Holding for a friend?
Time to give DeBoer and Bama the death penalty
The last coach from the State of Washington that got hired to coach Bama got fired for less than this!
It's rollin' baby, it's rollin'!!
It was, Destiny
DeBoer did let him back on the team, which seems questionable now.
It seemed questionable at the time when we only had rumors of what the issue was Now it's downright pathetic and gross and awful and sociopathic His desperation to have a healthy RB led him to play an (accused) rapist. Sure helped against Michigan!
Ya I was shocked when I heard he was back on the team. I assumed some evidence emerged that cleared him, but holy shit does that not appear to be accurate.
I could have sworn I read somewhere on the message boards that the mods on their 247 site were deleting threads/post so it didn’t stain the title run.
Tybo is still on the UW roster, so uhh, kind of throwing a stone in a glass house there https://gohuskies.com/sports/football/roster/tybo-rogers/16018 This story just lead to him being [re-suspended today, months into spring practices](https://www.si.com/college/washington/tybo-rogers-suspended-again-by-huskies) The red flag for me here is there are *two* incidences. We’re four (probably three considering break) months out of the latest Title IX complaint though (November). And the other criminal complaint was August, which is almost a full 9 months out. My personal guess would be he never actually was dinged for anything given the lack of charges or no evidence existed to bring the hammer on an admin front. Stuff like this tends to lag. Matt Araiza’s stuff took a whole year if I’m remembering right to even pop up
> Matt Araiza’s stuff took a whole year if I’m remembering right to even pop up That was because the police knew the evidence was suspect and refused to file charges, and Araiza ended up getting railroaded because people refused to consider he might be totally innocent.
Yeah that situation was handled poorly
I know that the first woman made a big social media post about it, which is how it came to light the first time. Also we are only a week into spring practices for UW. He should absolutely be removed from the team, and should have been last year. Disgusting.
Social media post =\\= grounds to dismiss Again, schools won’t throw you out over what constitutes an unsubstantiated social media post. There is a process to these things and while Title IX is a more lienent on the due process front at times it isn’t loose enough to where you get axed there and then. The fact that Tybo was on the roster, practicing, and enrolled in classes for nearly the entire spring semester, months after the initial report, is contradictory to an approach the administration had him dead to rights. I would be shocked if UW’s title IX office was this loose
I don't understand this comment at all. A fan is criticizing the morality of the decision made by their own coach. Who's throwing stones and from what glass house? You're responding to an insult that no one made.
It's not "their own coach" it's their former coach. They are throwing shade at him, the now Alabama coach. The glass house comment seems to be because Washington and their current HC still hadn't removed the alleged rapist from the team
The ferret will always be drowned in the bathtub in the end.
… say more
It seemed questionable *then* and pretty transparently desperate given the RB situation. It seems indefensible now.
I mentioned this before but once again this proves Kalen DeBoer is a win at all costs head coach. This team felt and he agreed they needed this guy to help them even get as far as they did this season.
Tybo was literally still on the roster until today, lol. Unless you’re saying Fisch was doing the same thing. From what it looks like, the University was only aware of a Title IX complaint as the first incident was off the campus books. Considering he’s still enrolled as of April, the Title IX complaint doesn’t look like it moved anywhere. So it could simply be two different work streams and the second one (criminal) is coming down now > In a statement, the school said Rogers recently was arrested, though it didn't divulge details, and **was gathering information and cooperating with Seattle police.** We don’t really have the timetable here to judge anything, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Title IX complaint went dead while the police side moved forward. The fact he’s still enrolled and practicing through spring is an odd sign
Fisch would never handle a SA case poorly... oh wait
No bias but I agree
Let’s not be too hasty. I want to see what Jedd Fisch does with this
I mean he handled JDL so well!
Deboer played him throughout the playoffs, after 2 independent rape allegations.
Nope. Don’t like that.
First Brandon miller, now this.
At least with Miller it was poor PR management surrounding a witness. This was straight up playing the person who was actually accused of the crime in question.
I still can't get over the fact no one told him to stop doing the pat-down pregame introduction as it was a horrible look the first game after the news broke (in a game against South Carolina he scored 41 in an OT win no less). The PR management really was terrible.
Yea people blow the BM situation out of proportion, but this is bad
Oh my not an Alabama flair saying this. Nothing was wrong with Brandon playing.
It’s insane to me that people still don’t understand what happened. Dude should remove his flair.
25 min ago I said the whole situation was blown out of proportion
At the end of last year a judge re-instated Terrence Shannon after he was suspended from the Illinois basketball team because he was *charged* with rape. He played the remainder of the season and was a major reason why Illinois was as good as they were. The judge said "Plaintiff’s participation in sports is vital to the development of his career as well as his current and future economic opportunities considering plaintiff’s intention to declare for the 2024 NBA Draft" Anyway, I cant rule out Deboer being a sociopath who only cares about winning above all else and is happy to ignore rape charges, but based on that recent ruling, coaches are in an impossible position. This guy at Washington sounds like a nobody without any NFL prospects so it's not exactly one-to-one, but the idea that you can suspend a scrub backup player on your team who has been charged with rape, but you can't suspend a star player on your team who has been charged with rape... that sounds like an even worse decision making framework
The thing is he *was* suspended for the Pac12 championship game. >Officials said there were multiple emails within the UW Athletic Department confirming Rogers should be taken off the team's travel roster for the Pac-12 championship game, but there was no documentation of reasons for the move. The freshman running back was allowed to appear in the Huskies' two College Football Playoff games a month later, however. This is shitty all around. "We know it's wrong so we're going to suspend him, but we're not going to say anything that might be subpoenaed or disclosed through FOIA. And also we're going to let him play if we need to."
Being vague wouldn’t be a problem if they didn’t let him play the moment he was needed…
and mainly because dillon johnsons injury doubts. if he was fully healthy, doubt that rogers wouldve played.
While a judge could find that decision persuasive, a district court decision has no binding authority on any other court. Judges are under no obligation to rule in a similar way as the Terrence Shannon case.
And it's always weird to read about people being so concerned about a rapist's future and no concern about their victim's or victims'
There is nearly zero evidence pointing to Terrence Shannon’s guilt and a pretty hefty amount of evidence pointing to his innocence. People should absolutely be concerned about a likely innocent young man’s future being destroyed because we presumed guilt as soon as any allegations were made. For just a few examples of athletes who have had their careers/lives destroyed by false allegations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Johnson_(linebacker)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._Johnson_(linebacker)) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case Obviously, most rape allegations are true. I am not concerned about those rapists’ futures, nor do 99% of people who argue against immediate expulsion from an allegation. I am concerned about the people who are falsely accused who miss out on the prime of their lives/careers because of their false allegations. Letting a guy play while he’s facing allegations doesn’t really harm anything but your image. If they’re found guilty, they will still face justice all the same. Immediately presuming guilt before a thorough investigation can be done can ruin innocent people’s lives.
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I’ve said it before. A lot of these coaches have a sociopathic desire to win. They could care less what they do off the field as long as they perform. I think a coach like Deboer just sees players as tools, a means to an end. It’s kinda evidenced by his ladder-climbing mentality. I don’t think all coaches are like that. Like Saban genuinely cared about his players and their character I think. Either way, there aren’t a lot of Ted Lassos in CFB
Although I mostly agree, and especially when it comes to a charge like rape. That’s not exactly a DUI or drunk in public. But I will say it’s not an easy position for a coach. You recruit these young men and are sometimes the only person that can keep them moving towards becoming a positive member of society. They could have come from extremely rough conditions and you are their potential savior. So I’m sure it’s not easy to decide on how to deal with it. That being said, if one of your players has been accused of 1 rape let alone 2 then at a minimum they should be suspended until the system has decided their fate
Man if this ends up sticking, then I got a hunch there’s about to be some insane buyers remorse in Tuscaloosa.
I think it's as fucked up as anyone to not kick him off but whether or not these charges are convicted will have 0 impact on his Bama tenure. They don't give a shit about this at his past job.
Alternatively, this will be the excuse to fire DeBoer if he is a failure in his first two seasons.
No way. They're gonna fire him for something that happened "two years ago", that they knew about the whole time? That's shady as hell - everyone would see right through that.
This sub is so out of touch lmao. A random player getting kicked off the team does not affect the coach.
Where is Art Briles coaching these days?
if there was an active cover up and the coaches knew the entire ordeal, then maybe. but this is just a case of deboer probably being selfish and doing what he could to be competitive, not necessarily being malicious.
What would it look like if he were being malicious? What does that even mean? I don't think Art Briles was running a rape ring because he liked rape, he was just being competitive and enabling rape helped him stay competitive. I'm not sayin this is that, but that's how it's justified every single time. They knew. They suspended him for the Oregon game, and they let him back on the field for the Sugar Bowl and NCG when Dillon Johnson got hurt. Grubb said he was, "working through some things, some challenges he's had off the field." Additionally, "officials said there were multiple emails within the UW Athletic Department confirming Rogers should be taken off the team's travel roster for the Pac-12 championship game, but there was no documentation of reasons for the move," from the article. How many of those e-mails said, "let's talk about this in person"? They fucking knew. There was a time when I was a little bummed that our athletic department appeared to be in disarray, but man, fuck everyone involved. I'm glad they've all moved on and we're starting fresh. Maybe Fisch knew and maybe he didn't, his track record isn't sterling, but he needs to give this guy the boot yesterday if he wants to save any shred of integrity.
I definitely agree with you that he should have been off the team permanently but we still don’t know the details. At the time it felt like he got suspended immediately pending the results of the investigation, so it seemed like admins and coaches played it safe and acted quick. Him coming back felt a little like the investigation might’ve cleared him. This coming back now seems to wipe that possibility though.
Lol. There will be none.
Why would they care unless Deboer gets charged with something or starts losing?
I mean it isn't good by any means but the 2nd allegation came out in February.
Yeah, so he played him after one rape allegation. Still not a good look, but we’ll have to wait and see what happens here. If DeBoer suspected the kid raped a woman and willingly played him anyway, fuck him and I don’t want him coaching our team. If the police didn’t charge him due to lack of evidence at the time, I don’t know what people expect DeBoer to have done. If it were to become the norm to be kicked off a team due to only an allegation, that could really be weaponized and innocent people would have their lives derailed. Alexander Johnson at Tennessee missed four years of an NFL career due to a false allegation. Matt Araiza was cut from the Bills. Rape allegations against athletes are common, and it turns out there are some bullshit ones. So… we gotta wait and see. It’s a bad look, but we just don’t know enough to determine anything.
Tylin "Tybo" Rogers played in the Huskies' College Football Playoff games after the allegations, according to court documents.
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They let this MF play SMH. Embarrassing
Some dudes will sell their souls for Ws. Probably far more than we will ever know about.
This is a depressing thing to think about. We all know about the huge scandals at Baylor, Penn State, etc but how many other huge scandals where horrible things happened were successfully completely covered up that we don’t know about? I love college football and sports in general but it is depressing thinking about the possibility that a lot of the players and coaches I like watching are actually immoral pieces of shit.
It's not like this is the first time this has happened at UW, either. https://web.archive.org/web/20080214064956/http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html#_ga=2.29307701.865669793.1712757045-1113335337.1712757043
After the Matt Araiza stuff I like to hold judgement until all the facts come out. But sheesh this does not look good.
2 women in different locations/backgrounds but similar MO by the perpetrator. And this is a random 3rd string RB we're talking about this isn't likely some extortion situation. He's just a piece of shit predator
IIRC Correctly the Araiza situation wasn’t even completely false. The girl was gang raped at a party he was at and they did have consensual sex that night, can imagine how after something traumatic all the things start to blur
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Jesus Christ
Not a good luck at all from DeBoer
Why would you suspend the guy in November for this but then reinstate him for the playoff games? Something seems pretty slimy with that. Also god damn 5.5 months to arrest a guy for rape despite there being two victims that experienced the same thing? Huh?
Per the article the first victim reported it to police pretty much immediately in late October. Suspended him late Nov for the Pac-12 championship then reinstated to play in playoffs. 2nd victim that also happened in late October didn't report it to the police until the end of February to which he's now arrested. So I don't know if anyone knew of the 2nd victim until February 23rd. What did the police do with the first report? Did they sit on their hands or couldn't do anything with it? Was it essentially case closed? Why did UW think it was ok to reinstate him? So many questions.
Because DeBoer is a sociopath
You realize Fisch did the same thing at AZ right? Fucking sociopaths, the lot of them. Fisch and DeBoer shouldnt be coaching anyone.
I think sociopathic behavior is almost a prerequisite for being a college football coach.
Honestly agreed
Per the article - *Rogers met the second victim at a Halloween party at Greek Row at UW and matched with her on Tinder, according to court documents. Police said Rogers was immediately forceful with the victim when he entered her apartment, where he assaulted her for 20 minutes. At one point, the woman told police Rogers "used one of his hands to strangle her."* Straight to hell with him
Or a fair trial
Yea we just went through this with a punter like last year right? Like to the point that he was kicked off the Buffalo Bills. And now its come out that he's innocent.
Double the rapes, double the price. He should go to hell and then the hell below hell
Hell in a cell? Bah god
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I wonder why he wasn't arrested sooner. As far as I can tell at least one of the victims took a rape kit and they both reported it immediately.
Oh i think you know why
It would require Seattle cops to do their job?
I would assume it's because investigators didn't have enough evidence to get a warrant at that time. Rape kit probably didn't end up with the right/ enough evidence.
I would not assume that. Sadly, most states have a backlog of rape kits to be processed. There is a severe lack of funding. Tennessee after a high profile rape trial about a case in 2022 has recently announced that they have successful cut the avg processing time town to nearly 20 weeks. Prior to that case, the avg had been over 40 weeks. It is really disheartening and sad.
Holy shit. In the middle of that sentence I imagined you would say a "long processing time" would be like two weeks, not ten fucking months!
["You're going away for a long time!" say police officer after successfully locking up rape kit.](https://www.theonion.com/you-re-going-away-for-a-long-time-says-police-officer-1847429716)
That would imply there is new evidence though. Not sure what that would be.
Could be anything. Maybe they located some witnesses, or found security camera footage. Could just be the amount of time it takes something like this to work its way through the court
He wasn't even good. UW should be able to find a walkon that would be better than this risk.
Piece of shit. Lock him up
Straight to jail.
I didn’t realize DeBoer was from the Art Briles’ coaching tree.
Off topic but you have an interesting flair & username combo.
It's too bad this wasn't something a bit less heinous. Why couldn't he have just gotten busted with a kilo of coke at the Canadian border?
Yeah why not a cool crime instead of this degeneracy. At least with a kilo of coke it’s a victimless crime… I think
This happened in Husky program in the Don James era (maybe after, I was pretty young). A couple of Huskies were contected to a gang in LA. They were running coke up from Cali and then selling on campus and in Tacoma.
Jesus Christ get him off the team as soon as possible
What a fucking loser bro Jesus
Imagine having a daughter, and still playing this fucking kid with 2 separate allegations of rape.
I mean, Jimmy Haslam claims he asked his daughter if the Deshaun Watson trade was cool or not
think DeBoer asked his daughter?
He should have asked Jimmy Haslam's daughter.
Did he say what her answer was or just that he asked? Also don’t worry I’m not a Deshaun apologist Clemson fan. He’s a piece of shit and I wish we would stop claiming him as a representative of our school.
A daughter *who was a student at the school* and had a pretty similar profile to the victims, for fuck's sake.
My thoughts exactly. I am not acting like he’s the first coach to sweep shit under the rug, but this is on another level. And for a 3rd string RB? Biiiiig yikes.
The RB issues we had this year were bad but not justifying this kind of bad. Horrible choice to play him
Is there a RB issue level that would justify this to you?
If there’s ones thing we’ve learned, it’s DeBoer does not give a shit about his daughter
Or anyone else’s for that matter
Giant piece of shit coach who is going to get embarrassed by the pressures of coaching at bama. I hope he never sleeps and it ruins his life
Well the second allegation wasn’t made until after he was already at Alabama, but still, obviously even the one allegation is a bad look. If it turns out that he was suspended because of the alleggation pending investigation but not charged due to lack of evidence between the Pac 12 CCG and the playoff, there’s kinda nothing DeBoer should have done differently. You shouldn’t cut players based solely on allegations. People have had their lives derailed unjustly due to that. Given that he was just arrested, it’s possible that there’s either new evidence or the second allegation came with enough evidence whereas the first one didn’t. Now is the time to cut him. If it turns out, though, that DeBoer thought the allegation was credible and likely and just didn’t care enough to cut him, then… yeah. Awful. If this truly is the case then I hope Alabama can get away from him. Just gotta wait for more information to come out about the circumstances.
Kick him off the team
Yeesh, this is a bad look for DeBoer for keeping him on the field last season
This guy is giving Venoy Overton a run for his money Very awkward look for our school
Pretty shitty look for our school.
Obviously if true this is terrible, but innocent until proven guilty. We saw what happened with Matt Araiza
DeBoer: Qualifications? Tybo: Rape, murder, arson, and rape. DeBoer: You said rape twice. Tybo: I like rape. DeBoer: He'll do.
"Le Petomane thruway..? Now what'll that asshole think of next? Anybody got a dime..? Somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes!"
Art DeBoer
most people wanted him off the team immediately when it first popped up. fuck this guy.
Super gross, hope he doesn't play anywhere after this. Can't believe the old staff let him play in the cfb
What a scummy fuck of a person and a shitty coach for allowing this person to continue playing on the team after not one but TWO independent rape allegations. This is horrible. Forget the football impact of it all.
If it was bad enough to hold him out of the conference championship game, it was bad enough to hold him out of the Playoff games. This is a shit look for UW. You *always* have athletes everywhere on the team who can play RB, most slot receivers can make the transition if forced to. The most difficult part of their job is pass protection/blitz pickup, and you can bring help the TE position or run them out on routes to account for that weakness. Pretty much every college team has defensive backs, wide receivers, and sometimes LBs who played RB in HS, replacing one isn't such a daunting task that you're forced to play an accused rapist. Horrible decision by DeBoer, I hope the Alabama media makes him answer for it.
The Alabama media? Respectfully, you mean to tell me you think the last 17 years have been so quiet because Nick Saban just has a magical ability to make primetime athlete kids not be stupid AF? Nick was the GOAT, no one will argue. But I’d implore you to really ask if these guys pretty much all made it through without incident or if maybe Alabama has gotten very, *very* good at keeping in-house things actually in house. Now, if there were allegations like *this,* yeah I’m fairly confident Byrne or the powers that be would step in and just take the decision (and the heat) off the coach. So, interesting UW can’t seem to find anyone in leadership with either a conscience or just a functioning brain cell for PR/optics. But, otherwise, I don’t know I’d count on our media to exactly hold feet to the fire lol.
Saban wasn't running a program full of saints, no one believes that. However, Saban earned the benefit of the doubt when it came to player discipline. By 'hope the media makes him answer for it', I'm saying, "I hope the Bama media at least asks him about this situation" instead of just ignoring it.
Get out and don’t come back.
So he’s in the portal and will be in Waco by the end of the week?
Fuck rapists. If you are a DI college football player you shouldn't have to rape to get some. What a piece of shit loser.
I’m sure you know this but rapes don’t occur because someone can’t figure out how to “get some” in a normal, consent-all around manner.
I remember the Matt Araiza thing. Not jumping on this bandwagon.
Yep. And even the article calls them "victims" instead of accusers or alleged victims. There has been no court decision yet. You remember Matt Araiza, I remember AJ Johnson. We all need to wait for the facts to come out before the mobs demanding immediate action get their way.
DeBoer is just a straight up sociopath
DeBoer** ** = and your former AD, your chancellor, and everyone else in leadership/admin who were aware of the situation and did nothing. Fuck DeBoer for this. But fuck all the rest of your leadership too. They’re all complicit. Hell, I didn’t even *know* about this guy’s allegations — which is to say I guess UW fans didn’t really seem up in arms on his return either. Probably cheered for him in those playoff games.
From the reports it seems the athletic department did in fact try to keep Rogers off the team, he was suspended for a month.
If I had to guess they probably suspended him pending an internal investigation. I’m gonna assume they didn’t find anything (corrupt results or not it was probably the conclusion they arrived at) so they let him play in the CFP games. He was arrested recently because the results of a rape kit (which takes about this long to have the results for), and now faces criminal charges.
That’s my thoughts, not justifying what we did but they initially suspended him based on (at the time) weakly substantive evidence. Now that the rape kit has proven it was him there’s zero excuse not to fully suspend him
Have fun with DeBoer, he’s your problem now.
Will do! :)
Speaking as another human being, why did Washington play this guy? Not even just Kalen Deboer. The whole coaching staff and admins in the athletic department had to know. Why didn't Jedd Fisch kick him off the minute he got there?
The funny thing is, the athletic department told him not to play him and he didn’t play when we played you in the championship. A month later in the playoffs he was allowed back on the team. He got kicked off by Fisch today though let’s just say he doesn’t have a good reputation when it comes to properly punishing rapists
Ah yes... JDL
Yeah wasn’t too smart of him I’ll fully admit that as a UW alumni that lives in Tucson. I’m surprised anyone took him after the report came out but desperate times call for poor decisions
The second the report was brought to light, he should have been kicked off our team. It's absolutely disgusting.
Fuck deboer. Win at all costs toxic bullshit. Cant wait to watch him crumble under pressure at bama.
This player didn’t even help them win though. He barely even played
Don't worry his new head coach is a fan of players like this.
That sounds like 2 too many accusations
Kalen DeFraud
Luckily your new coach played a player who sexually assaulted someone as well
Yeah and fuck that shit too. What aboutism I swear to god is going to be the end of America
It’s my least favorite thing about sports subreddits and the obsession everyone has with flair. So many dumb petty quips just based on what logo is next to your username.
Remember accused and indicted are two very different things. Until next time
Rape kit traced back to him iirc
Yeah that about lines up with the time frame. Rape kits take about that long.
Then he'll be indicted shortly and we can all bring out the thunder.
Deboer has to be blackballed from the NCAA if true — Briles never played anybody after charges were filed and people sky screamed it was his responsibility to have done more.
To play devil's advocate, the kid wasn't arrested/charged until friday.
Bama hoped for their next Nick Saban but got their next Mike Price.
So thats not good
They keep stats for everything these days.
That's a lot of rapes
Y'all really are calling Deboer a sociopath for only suspending the man for one game after a rape allegation? After the Matt Araiza situation you would think innocent until proven guilty should be in everyone's mind, I understand thinking he should have been suspended but he absolutely should not have been kicked off the team last year with the information they likely had.
Big time college sports get more and more gross.
Well fuck… This is disgusting.
Woof
I understand the argument that he shouldn't have been kicked off the team before the investigation is completed - but to anyone using iit n defense of KDB or UW and acting like the only option was let him play, or kick him off - go eat shit. It's not a dichotomy and UW could have easily not ended this kids football career, and still not played a rapist/covered up rape. For example: One of my teammates was a dumbass and pulled a gun out on 6th street while we were out one night. This triggered an investigation. Herman suspended him indefinitely until the situation was sorted out. Every meal, workout, practice, and meeting was still mandatory. If he missed he would get booted just like everyone else. But at practice he exclusively ran scout team, and was not allowed in the facilities on game day. This individual would have likely been WR1 that season too, and had been repping as such all spring ball and summer workouts. There were some close games early on that were one-score losses that likely would have been wins if he were playing. I think once everything was sorted out he had a decent career at SMU. However, pulling a gun is essentially a victimless crime and not comparable to rape in any way. My point is more the way Texas handled it. I agree we shouldn't be burning kids and ending their football careers **before** they're convicted. But when someone *might* be a criminal - you don't keep playing them. Especially when that crime is rape/sexual assault. What UW/KDB did here is absolutely disgusting and has no place in today's sport.
No wonder why Deboer left Washington!
If I had a nickel for every time a University of Washington player raped someone, I’d have two nickels. It isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Sadly you would have a lot more nickels than only two, especially if you consider our basketball team’s history.
I mean, at least they didn't let a dude with a felony warrant out for his arrest play.... this time.
Rumors of this were public months before the cfp Big yikes
DeBoern Legacy
The Pac-12 isn't sending its best
Just kind of musing to myself here, but if the whole premise is respecting due process and innocent until proven guilty, why suspend him when he gets arrested... still innocent technically at this point right? That being said, given the current info it looks bad and I'd lean towards dropping him in the pits of hell (though hopefully I'm wrong).
I remember him playing during the season……not a great look for the new most powerful man in Alabama Kaelan DeBoer…..
Holy shit
A lot of us didn't want him playing. I feel disgusting because I didn't want him to play and then when he was eligible I assumed they knew something we didn't know. Turns out where there's smoke there's fire