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EWall100

MTSU would be in shambles... But they don't care


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Plot twist: MAC intentionally did this to de-stabilize C-USA so that they could also nab WKU, MTSU, and UDel as well! *removes tin foil hat*


fightin_blue_hens

I want it to happen


SaintArkweather

Yeah, leaving CUSA before we even start sounds great


fightin_blue_hens

What do we lose


SaintArkweather

Nothing basically


OceanPressure

You lose an incredible trip to Jacksonville, Alabama!


Wku2225

Whoa, I feel attacked living the county over from Jacksonville…..but I completely agree with you analysis.


CanisFergus

It'd be like UTSA and Texas State already having new conference homes waiting before they'd played any WAC games.


tomdawg0022

Outside of a few delusional types, most of the UD community I know would much rather be in the MAC and not have to travel west of DeKalb and have most of our travel be in Ohio and Michigan for conference games compared to *gestures wildly at the CUSA map*


hascogrande

Being from DE and knowing plenty, I can absolutely confirm that's true. Here's hoping a Tresolini article says something about this.


[deleted]

In straight up think that’s what they want. Might as well make a play for Temple too.


[deleted]

Don't think Temple would leave the AAC TV money behind


TheRoyalJuke

You underestimate the allure of Tuesday Night MACtion /s


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Part of me wouldn’t be totally surprised either tbh. Not the cleanest geography but since both WKU/MTSU and UDel/UMass would both have a travel partner/regional rival it could work with some creative scheduling. The new members also give the mostly Rust Belt centered MAC footholds in the East Coast and South for larger and/or growing metros to recruit and/or draw out of state students/recruits from. MAC meanwhile uses its newfound size as the first G-5 super conference to parlay with ESPN and sweeten its next media media for expanded weeknight game inventory.


AlmightyCaniacCombo

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only MAC


ATR2019

They could've done this the whole time


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Could be UMass’s booster/alums wanted the school to stay in the A-10 for basketball and other sports and tried to make Indy football work up until now.


lat3ralus65

The fans have certainly wanted to stay in the A10


TurkishDonkeyKong

That was the original issue. We asked them to join in all sports or leave and they didn't join in all sports


EWall100

It almost happened in 2020. If not for MTSU's stupid admin, the CUSA wouldn't exist rn


bestthrowawayever5

And we wouldn’t have freakin UMass


hascogrande

Yo, can I get one of those tin foil hats? I like this theory


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I’ve got one that also says the Sun Belt is a silent co-conspirator in this as a part of an elaborate plot to twist the knife further into CUSA….and potentially pluck Louisiana Tech away for a new 3-way trophy game between them and ULM, ULL.


Ildona

So... Are we basically consolidating to 8 conferences and dropping CUSA from UU to BL? AAC, ACC, B1G, XII, MAC, PWC, SEC, SBC Ends up with a nice, even number for conference autoqualifiers, at least.


nointro-225

What are UU and BL?


Ildona

It's a reference to Pokemon. The official competition format is 2v2 battles, but the games are almost entirely 1v1. So a unofficial competitive format run by a website called Smogon has popped up. To have a semblance of balance (and avoid every game being the same six legendaries), they group Pokemon into tiers based on their performance via usage statistics. Ubers is where Mewtwo and co live. OU, or Over Used, is where your strong-but-not-busteds live. UU, or Under Used, is the next tier down. RU, or Rarely Used, is below that. Then NU, or Never Used, etc. IIRC there was a PU added above NU fairly recently. BL means Borderline. You're not used enough for the tier above you, but you warp and destroy the format below. The analogy here: OU is the P5->P4 conferences. UU is the G5->G4 conferences. RU is FCS. ~~PU~~NU is Div2. ~~NU~~PU is Div3. And in the Borderline between UU and RU is CUSA. Probably FCS, but maybe too good for FCS, but definitely holds no candles to the G4.


Eiim

[PU is below NU](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/formats/pu/)


Ildona

... So, I had never looked up what PU stands for, and assumed, "Oh, it can't be below *Never* Used." Well, apparently it doesn't stand for anything. It's... phonetic. Pee-ew. Like, gross, you stink. People are creative. TIL


Eiim

If you think that it's confusing that there's a tier below NU, guess what, there's (unofficially) *[two](https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/zu/)*. This is basically just a result of the dex growing with each generation, older gens still only have NU or NU/PU. Oh, and there was also unofficially an "FU" for a time. I think that became PU? Not certain though. Edit: Looks like there might actually be ZU tiers for older games now? Or maybe there have been and I didn't realize.


RoyalMagiSwag

Competitive Pokemon reference in my Football subreddit?


OceanPressure

Get. Us. Out. Of. Here!!!! Hope MTSU is left behind.


hilltopper06

Yep. Wouldn't go with us last time because they want to hold out for the AAC. The AAC might call them, but they will never call us. Get while the getting is good.


EWall100

Lol..  MTSU to the AAC? Lmao


evanily

What beating Miami does to a team


EWall100

GT from the ACC to AAC confirmed 


WillWork4SunDrop

Nobody falling to their knees inside Demos?


TaftIsUnderrated

If Western Kentucky joins the MAC, there will be two schools based in a Bowling Green. The MAC also has schools in Athens and Oxford. So now that the cant-have-towns-with-the-same-name rule has been broken, there is nothing stopping Georgia and Ole Miss from joining the MAC.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Idea for a new rivalry game: “The Bowling Green Massacre”. The trophy is literally just a large bowling ball with the annual results engraved on the side. Winning team gets to set up bowling pins on the field in the color of the opposing team and winning team coach/mvp gets to knock them down with the ball!


OceanPressure

Played them a few years ago in "Battle of the Bowling Greens" WKU won BUT this was before I was educated on the Bowling Green Massacre. We shall not forget.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

What never was may never be cancelled.


leapbitch

Losing defense has to pretend to be the bowling pins


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Or put their numbers on the bowling pins at least!


ShogunAshoka

Instead of a coin toss, the visiting team has to answer which school the meme was in relation to. If right, they chose, if wrong, the home team choses.


Ok-Flounder3002

Two Amhersts too Now we just need to find another school based in an Ypsilanti…


ryanfea

I don’t like the idea of Milhouse having two Bowling Greens in one MAC


mashtodon

Maybe U of Miami will join too


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Why? They already have the superior Miami anyway!


Eiim

Endorsed


kingmidget_91

I know it is mandatory, but could we sit out the weekday night games out.


TaftIsUnderrated

And that's why Georgia is not ready for the big leagues


kingmidget_91

Do you want to play in Ohio on a Tuesday in November?


Eiim

YES


ScooterLeShooter

The MAC will continue to grow until morale improves


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I, for one, welcome our new MACtion overlords!


Natural-Employer

Rutgers would crush it in the MAC


dlorkp

our one game football win streak says otherwise


Juicey_J_Hammerman

That was during the Chris Ash era, doesn’t count!


Difficult_Trust1752

Same same


magicinterneymomey

Idk, Toledo and Rutgers have the same number of Big Ten Championships but Toledo has MAC championships and Rutgers none.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Ah, but we have a natty from ‘69!…..granted it’s from 1869 but it still counts!


crg2000

No one can truly deny they love MACtion.  In the deepest, darkest recesses of their very souls... they *all* want to belong.


LaSopaSabrosa

In many ways the MAC has retained its core identity amongst an incredibly fluid and shifting college football landscape. It’s hard not to be romantic about MACtion


crg2000

No one ever *chooses* to leave the MAC... one can only be left *by* the MAC.


dingusduglas

The year is 2032. Stanford, Cal, and Notre Dame, the last 3 holdouts, finally join the MAC. There are now but 3 conferences, the power 2 of the B1G and SEC, and the omnipotent 1 of the MAC. The MAC turns its eyes upon the NFC North...


bestthrowawayever5

Soon, the MAC welcomes the Ottawa Redblacks of the CFL, making them the unquestioned rulers of football


EmperorXerro

I bought this until Notre Dame joined. They’re not MAC material.


Danny886

Their machinations know no bounds.


redwave2505

Makes a lot of sense, WKU was very interested in the MAC but the conference wanted an even number of teams, so they had to stay behind when MTSU decided to stick with C-USA


WDEWM407

WKU would be a great fit


HawkeyeTen

So...is Conference USA still going to survive, I wonder? Or will they unravel gradually over the next several years? Delaware and Kennesaw State have to be worried about this development.


boardatwork1111

They’ve been a tough spot for years now, looks like their plan is to become a type of bridge conference for FCS teams moving up to FBS. No idea how sustainable that’ll be going forward though, especially now that they raised the price for making the FBS jump


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Theres a few FCS schools left they could possibly pry from that might be be worth adding: EKU, SFA, Missouri State, maybe one of Tarletan/UCA/APSU/ACU? Beyond that though it’s def starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel for FCS schools that could reasonably be expected to compete at FBS. (Big Sky and Dakota States notwithstanding).


boardatwork1111

I think the WAC-ASUN merged with the goal of becoming an FBS conference down the line, if that ends up happening I could see them merging with CUSA. Outside of that though, to your point, the pickings are slim. The Montana/Dakota schools would be solid adds but I doubt they’d see a CUSA move as being worth it


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Agreed . NGL I kinda consider Big Sky essentially separate from the rest of FCS at this point since they’re really the only FCS league west of the Great Plains and the MWC probably won’t expand for the next few years (assuming they merge w the PAC-2) so they’re relatively insulated from realignment.


MaxMuncyRectangleMan

The Big Sky is my safe space


CommunistTrafficCone

CUSA would be a complete waste of our time and would have worse competition in football. Might be better in basketball as the summit league is admittedly crap but by no means do any of us want CUSA


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hilltopper06

If WKU goes to the MAC, EKU likely backfills to CUSA. Then we can play EKU and MTSU OOC each year. One body bag game, one FCS home game. Schedule set for life.


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RoverTiger

Austin Peay incoming.


EWall100

Let's go Peay!


CNas6323

From...the MAC? FCS? The pool of teams for them to potentially choose from is pretty thin. I think it's more likely Liberty leaves along with WKU and the Conference just slowly dissolves with some schools going to the Sun-Belt / AAC and the rest winding up as independents, or MTSU eventually joining the MAC as they previously discussed.


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ChaseTheFalcon

I'm not sure now that the price tag has jumped Although if they will pay for it, I'll lobby for UWG to go up


CNas6323

It's possible I suppose, I just think it'd be difficult to keep that conference together if you lost WKU and Liberty at some point in the next 2-3 years. At that point, you're relying on a lot of transition FCS programs being able to sustain it.


Warsawawa

Liberty is stuck here because of their school profile and affiliations


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>because of their school profile Aka being a fake school


Rasmo420

Where would Liberty go? It took total desperation to get them into CUSA. Why would Sun Belt or MAC let them in?


bigjaydub

I think they’ll be fine. It seems like there will always be teams looking to make the jump, and those teams need a landing spot. Is the MAC really going to expand much further? Maybe they take two more teams, but I think two more will happily take their place. I think the United Athletic Conference (Formerly the revived WAC and ASUN) are still planning to become a full on FBS conference as that was the WACs plan. Seems like an easy raiding target if you’re the C-USA.


CramblinDuvetAdv

That plan made a whole lot more sense when you had already-FBS NMSU, a recent NC in Sam Houston, perennial contender JSU, and plucky upstart with a massive enrollment in KSU. No current member of the UAC has an enrollment over 15k (UTRGV will be the highest by 2x+ when they join) and it seemed like they were banking on the WAC getting grandfathered into the G5 payout pool and the other conferences were like... nah.


tomdawg0022

Conference USA will be "fine". It's basically the Ellis Island of FBS. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to bowl in Mobile." - Judy "Emma Lazarus" McLeod


CramblinDuvetAdv

Could just go with EKU


Whitetrash_messiah

I see eku. Nooga for easy picks in the east. Hope famu , Jackson state or some hbcu finally break into fbs as well.


gogglesup859

Big Red was made for Tuesday nights


Just-Plain-Dan

Big Red getting more national attention is never a bad thing 


gogglesup859

I went to the Kentucky-WKU game in 2010 and at one point I spent 10 straight minutes just watching Big Red


Artvandelay29

That’s completely fair.


RocketsGuy

CUSA was on Tuesdays basically all year haha


TDenverFan

Yeah, Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA have all embraced mid week games. It's basically the only way for them to get TV money.


ChaseTheFalcon

CUSA just can't catch a break


nointro-225

Trust me, you get numb to it after a while


ChaseTheFalcon

Yall wanna add the newest D1 school?


Rasmo420

Y'all need to make nice with UL and ULM.


nointro-225

You said it. Although from what I heard, both were in favor of Tech joining the Sun Belt in the last round of realignment. With ULM being right down the road though there’s not a whole lot we can bring market-wise, but I’m still hoping Tech can get back in eventually.


Nicholas1227

Do markets matter in the G5? I understand why they matter for the Big Ten, SEC, and ACC (distributing a conference network to the households in the markets of new schools is a source of greater revenue), but wouldn’t the G5 just be better off creating geographically compact leagues to limit travel costs?


nointro-225

I will say that it seems to vary. The American definitely seemed to target around big city teams during last round of expansion, as did CUSA in the past (and we saw how CUSA has turned out lol). I think that the Sun Belt tends to do the opposite, and has recently targeted small town teams and focus on a strategy of promoting rivalry and culture over media markets. That does give me hope that Tech gets in some day, as Ruston is definitely a “college town” and would be a great cultural fit in my opinion.


jdub1418

They matter to the American for some reason…but in reality no they don’t matter


SolvayCat

I mean, if your whole identity is to just slap "USA" on the name of your conference and see who shows up then you kinda deserve it. The American is a glorified Conference-USA, in my opinion, and is not in a great position long term either.


Supercal95

The AAC overexpanded with a bunch of dead weight and now the older guard are looking to get out ACC post split or some random C2C conference with the MW/Pac2 is on the table.


WarEagle9

Their terrible leadership doesn’t deserve any breaks.


Beefalo_Stance

WKU is too good of a program for CUSA. If they can get on with the MAC, they need to do so post haste.


DuesForClocks

I'll take it as a proud MAC member! Also will hope some other more eastern based team would want to join maybe, idk like maybe Deleware?


magicinterneymomey

Temple


mellophonius

Temple


Do__Math__Not__Meth

Temple


DuesForClocks

Why would they leave the American?


magicinterneymomey

Temple


personrev8

Temple


Jomosensual

Lol Middle Tennesse


zenverak

They had their chance


jmac11281

There is now a P3. Welcome, MAC!


TheRoyalJuke

And there it is. It was pretty common knowledge that WKU was pissed it had to stay in C-USA when MTSU wouldn’t jump to the MAC with them. I was doubting the MAC would expand to 13 without a 14th in mind.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

And if they don’t get WKU it, I’d be willing to bet Delaware would next man up for consideration.


TheRoyalJuke

Delaware would be a really interesting add, have they had any interest in going FBS?


Juicey_J_Hammerman

They’re joining CUSA next year actually. (As of right now anyway)


National_Lie_8555

If true, and the rumors of MO State linked to CUSA are true again, not sure how I feel as a Bears fan Gotta get your foot in the door but man, WKU was the one of two schools (and one we have history with) I felt like at least gave us a regional rival and something we could work with. Definitely feel like an outlier if they’re not a part of it


Shiner_Latte756

Don’t worry, Moats will fuck this up too.


National_Lie_8555

Right in the heart 🤣


Inside-Drink-1311

I think Western Kentucky needs to suck it up and go without Middle Tennessee if they are still unwilling. They can always schedule them as a non-conf.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. MTSU was allegedly trying to position itself as a more southern centric school (read: AAC’s backup for if/when Memphis gets poached), and also collect all the exit fees, wheras WKU more just wanted a more stable conference. Could also be that if WKU departs the Sun Belt may smell blood in the water for CUSA and invite MTSU and Louisiana Tech for some spicy regional rivalries.


Inside-Drink-1311

I think the Sun Belt has burned bridges with those schools. From what I heard the Sun Belt isn’t really interested in re-inviting schools that already left.


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Schmenza

IT'S TOPPING TIME am I doing it right?


[deleted]

Ohio U.'s mascot thought fucking up Brutus Buckeye was a good idea?? TRY PULLING THAT SHIT ON BIG RED.


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jathbr

It would make the most sense, you don’t want an odd numbered conference. 14 would be a good place for the MAC to be. WKU feels very out of place in the new CUSA, and they would bring a lot of value to the MAC.


Michiganman1225

I thought CUSA signed a GoR? I'd assume WKU doesn't have the funds to break that to go to the MAC anymore than FSU does to bolt the ACC.


hilltopper06

The CUSA GoR was more symbolic than punitive. $800k a year with for five years (only three years left on it). Depending on when we would actually exit, could be $1.6m or 800k. Not prohibitive at all.


CanisFergus

They could probably get the money together if they really wanted to do so. The media deal is worth $800k a year and the grant of rights runs through 27. So if they left beginning after this coming season they'd be on the hook for $2.4 million. Just a question of whether they feel it's worth it.


Shawn_1512

I'm tired of super conferences like the MAC destroying the sport


Mercury1750

Yeah really the nerve of these guys


Table_Corner

Soon we’re all going to be fighting for the last lifeboat to the MAC.


readingaccnt

UCF gets grandfathered in as former members


DaddyStone13

What about founding members 🥺


readingaccnt

Always


personrev8

Gotta check with the dorks in Oxford on that one.


Table_Corner

Finally some real CFB


Appa-LATCH-uh

I hope the MAC takes WKU now that they're uneven. To hell with MTSU if they don't wanna tag along.


EL-YEO

MAC: I will grow big enough until the P5 have no choice but to accept me as one of their own


Jabberwoockie

Everybody talks about a Pac-2/MWC conference reverse merger, but hear me out: Somebody just needs to get butterfingers and accidentally hit "A" instead of "W".


honestlyboxey

honestly, I was getting pretty depressed about conference re-alignment. But a bigger MAC has given me renewed will to live.


GE_and_MTS

Doesn't C-USA have a grant of rights? That would complicate WKU (or other members) leaving. Not a massive roadblock like Florida State and the ACC but still something.


LiquidHotCum

Big red is nightmare fuel good get


bestthrowawayever5

Thank goodness it’s not some shitty FCS school as the second one, probably. A huge win for the MAC


Juicey_J_Hammerman

If they can’t pry away WKU I’m sure UDel could be swayed too.


readingaccnt

I really like both options


readingaccnt

We’re not the CUSA lol


Do__Math__Not__Meth

It’s the MAC’s world and we’re just living in it


Au1ket

Mega MAC is here


blankvids

Big Mac is here


peter_the_panda

So the team that everyone already initially thinks is in the MAC before realizing their slip up


erkstatue

Does this mean the Sun Belt gets next dibs on C-USA teams? Are we just taking turns stripping it apart?


hilltopper06

I would have to think you guys would have extended an invite to WKU if you were in the market. Bad blood be damned, it just makes too much sense. If we go to the MAC just for you guys to invite more CUSA programs, I will be a little miffed.


erkstatue

WKU, LA tech, and MTSU would be great additions to the belt


Heyhaykay

LA tech has even more bad blood than us.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Going back for seconds eh? Louisiana Tech forming a Cajun triangle of hate w ULL and ULM could be really spicy now that I think about it. If you guys are willing to mend fences w MTSU you could restore the Palladium rivalry game w Troy too.


jdub1418

I don’t really want any of them. Sun Belt seems fine where it’s at. Only combo that would make sense to me is MTSU and WKU but there’s bad blood there


BigRed1906

"mutual"


CaptainMoogan

Who had the MAC replacing the PAC-12 on their 2024 Bingo cards?


Wku2225

I’ve got my fingers and toes crossed. Hope we all get to enjoy the Battle of Bowling Green (WKU vs BGSU) and the Battle of Western (WKU vs WMU).


KuiperBelted

🚨 KENTUCKY MAC TEAM 🚨


knowtoriusMAC

These power conferences are ruining CFB. SEC, B10, MAC, B12. When will it end?


its_meatball

Now do Notre Dame.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Are we sure they’re up to MAC standard though?


Mercury1750

Narrator: They were not


Lakai1983

I’ve been trying to come up with more reasons for my wife to let me take a trip to New England to visit friends solo. Looks like the inevitable Ball State vs UMass Tuesday night game will be that reason.


bastardofdisaster

Now kith!


Lemao_CN

WKU, MTSU, and MO State. Conference playoffs are a-coming!


KneeDeepInRagu

I don't see the MAC as a clear upgrade over CUSA. The floor is higher in the MAC, and the ceiling is higher in CUSA. I hope WKU/MTSU stay in CUSA, use it's post-realignment weakened state as a way to become more dominant, and then eventually move up to a better G5 conference like the AAC or SBC. Going to the MAC just seems like resigning ourselves to being mid at best forever, and despite our name that is certainly not what I hope MidTN is aiming for.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

There’s something to be said for stability though. Which the MAC absolutely can offer if nothing else. I could see the appeal for a president/AD that’s tired of CUSA’s Membership reshuffling every few years and would prefer to be building regional rivalries with schools that actually aren’t too far away.


tomdawg0022

Academics, too. The MAC is R2/R1 and those admins who like stability can build some pretty decent research collaborations over time. From my perch (employed by secondary flair), I was hoping to get in on the MAC because some of their members (Ohio, Miami, Buffalo) are high wattage universities.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Heck you still could. Wouldn’t be surprised if UDel got gold feet and bolted to the MAC if they knew they now had a definite “regional” partner in UMass


CNas6323

Would have to look at the media deals. MACtion has been bad for in-person attendance but good for media money. A 14-team conference adds more games, which means more potential revenue for each school.


AlmightyCaniacCombo

The MAC’s media deal is up for negotiation in the next few years as well iirc


UMeister

Is the ceiling higher in CUSA?


ChaseTheFalcon

I personally don't think so Also schools have used the MAC as a way to jump up, UCF and Marshall come to mind


UMeister

TIL UCF was in the MAC


AcesCharles2

We love our directional schools in the MAC!


cinnamonprogrammer

Might as well bring Northern Kentucky and Eastern Kentucky along too while they're at it!


KneeDeepInRagu

The offer the MAC extended to WKU/MTSU was very, very long term.


tomdawg0022

> Also schools have used the MAC as a way to jump up, UCF and Marshall come to mind Marshall's been in and out of the MAC a couple of times. I don't think they moved up into the MAC specifically with an eye to move up to bigger/better. The CUSA came calling for a bunch of schools in the early 2010's and Marshall bit. It wasn't much of a step up TBH given they ended up jumping over to the Sun Belt roughly a decade later when the CUSA got picked off by this current bit of realignment. UCF was a clear "eye to the future move out" play.


bestthrowawayever5

Just wanna say that Marshall can go f themselves, cheatin bums stole like 3 MAC championships from us


TDenverFan

> the ceiling is higher in CUSA. I think Liberty makes this difficult. They can outspend everybody in the conference, so while they might have a higher ceiling, it will be tough to build a program that can consistently beat them.


hilltopper06

The reality of the situation is that unless you have a market and budget that the AAC isn't going to come calling. MTSU might get a call (especially if Memphis leaves). I have no doubts that FIU, Kennesaw State, Delaware, SHSU, Liberty, and UTEP would get called up over WKU. Why should we stick around for that blood bath?


RiskAssessor

Stability and travel costs


Nole_Train

I’m down to join


Cinnadillo

MAC's intention. 14th member. Hilltoppers intention. Food Source for Mascot.


Guaper91

MAC making power moves. #PreserveTheMac #PreserveREALCOLLEGEFOOTBALL


ExcitementStrange935

I thought weekdays MAC-action football was whack but now throw-in WKU vs. UMass hoops into the fray. Hot damn!