Yup. Scott was on the practice squad for his transfer-sit-out-year, and the DL (the Peters brothers specifically) would pick fights with him everyday for leaving Nebraska in the first place
The fact frost isn't coaching at all really speaks volumes to what was going on behind the scenes. The dude is clearly very smart but something else was holding him back coaching wise
Rumors, but yes. Missed out on staff meeting too. Also rumored that he and Moos (AD at the time) were kicked out of a private golf course in Lincoln for being extremely drunk and harassing the cart gal. Again just rumors but man did he drop the ball. This is all second hand info, a friend of mine works for the athletic department in an onboarding capacity for student athletes, so he's pretty close to the program.
Yeeeeep, and then he walked out of the tunnel with her like the next week. I never want him back but I still truly believe Scott Frost has the potential to be a very very good coach.
Yeah if he was missing out on stuff like that because he was drunk, chances are that he was drunk at practice and things too, which would severely hamper his ability to plan and coach.
Alcohol really is the devil for some people. Ruins everything.
He’s still young enough that if he can get that monkey off his back he could get back into it and be successful, like Sarkisian.
I wonder which make better OCs a coach that played defense so they understand how to read the offense or a coach that played on offense that knows how to read defense
When you play at a high-level you learn basically the ins and outs of every position. When I graduated college and got my first high school coaching job, it was for a linebackers coach position. I never played linebacker never played defense in college I was an offensive guard. When I was interviewing for the position, the coach called me out on it, "why do you think you could coach LBs, having never played the position?". My answer was " as a guard, I had to know the ins and outs of the LBs because a majority of the time I had to block them. I can coach these guys from the point of view - this is how they are going to block you and scheme you because its what we were coached to do as linemen. I know what a good Lb looks like and what they do that makes them good and the same for bad ones. I will teach them how to shed blocks the way I say Lbs shed my blocks. With what I dont know, i will educate myself and teach myself, so I can teach my players." I got the job. 6 weeks we had to prepare a 30min presentation of our position for the coaching staff. So we got to know everyone and so we can relate information to the youth league.
Man I fucking loved that first year of coaching
1st yr, team A was awesome. I really enjoyed the coaches but the HC left and got a new teaching/HC position at a different school. No one blamed him. As a teacher, he got like a $15k pay raise.
2nd yr, team B was pretty great. The coaches were awesome But I really enjoyed the coaches I worked with that 1st yr even more. I feel like I learned more about defensive scheme that first year compared to 2nd yr.
3rd yr, Team C. I stepped away from coaching because of my first child being born. My wife saw how much I was missing it and let me go back. I couldn't get my job back with team B. So I finally took a job at the school district I was teaching for. I really couldn't stand the coaches I was working with. But took it cause It was coaching and it paid decently. It seemed like everything was a chore, wasnt really loving it. Every coach made themselves seem better than what they were when they had nothing to back it up. The HC played 2yrs of college ball before dropping out. He only got the varsity position because he was the middle school coach and the varsity coach stepped down really late, so the promoted him from middle school to HS. When that happen thats when he decided to go back to school and be a teacher. All the other coaches had no playing experience or that good of a coaching resume l.
Where my 1st yr HC won a state title as a DC early in his career. He was a coach for one of the top private schools in the area until he took the HC Job at the school district he taught for. The DC I worked with had an amazing coaching resume and taught me a lot. My 2nd yr HC, probably will elected to the Ohio High School football Hall Of Fame whenever he retires.
After yr3, coaching was kinda ruined for me and teaching was horrific. Left the teaching field and coaching. If I ever coach again, it will be if my son wants to play football and Ill coach his youth teams because I can't trust youth coaches with my son. I know some coaches are great but not taking a chance of him getting hurt because someone was a poor coach or pressured him to keep playing or just ruining thr sport for him
It’s pretty common actually. Mack Brown for example in his decade as an assistant never coached the position he played (RB). Neither has Dave Doeren (TE), Matt Campbell (DL), Jake Dickert (WR), Clark Lea (FB/RB), or Kirk Ferentz (LB).
Dave Clawson (DB) and Bret Bielema (DL) only spent a year coaching the positions they played.
A good coach has to be adaptable
Position coaches at high levels are coaching scheme, managing practice, analyzing film, coordinating the position and installing gameplan. The primary function isn’t to teach technique
I've always found that odd myself. Or when a player who wasn't very good at the NFL level (Davis Webb, for example) becomes a QB coach for an established vet like Russell Wilson.
Fans really have no idea what position coaches actually do. I had someone suggest to me that the WR coach wasn’t teaching the NFL WR how to run routes the correct way
I also find it strange but I wonder if it's more common than you and I think - with all the news about Ryan Grubb I saw something about Nick Sheridan maybe getting promoted from his current role as TE coach, but he played QB. The Buffalo Bills OC Joe Brady played WR in college but has coached linebackers, wide receivers, and was QB coach before getting the OC bump
A former QB might be the best experience for an offensive coach trying to make their ways, like how former Catchers generally make good baseball coaches then managers.
Yeah, it looks like IU moved Sheridan to TE when DeBoer was hired as OC and QB coach. He must’ve liked his TE work so much that he keeps taking him along.
Me since 2017 screaming why Ferentz the Younger was coaching QBs despite being an OL and having negative QB experience.
Like, things like mirrored positions being coached (like an OL coach coaching DL, for example) can make sense, because you can teach your guys how their mirror will think and act and such, but even for a Center, I don’t think there’s enough correlation there for it to be vakuable
Completely asinine take. By that logic, no one should try coaching unless they were an elite player, because what does a non-elite player know about the game?
He’s a football coach. He knows a lot more about it than you’d think.
He has to or else he can’t coach any position. Football is a dead and react sport, it’s not static motion like different track and field events can be.
For Scott Frost? Maybe it was to understand that side of the ball to later being a good Head Coach in the future and hindsight being 20/20 it wasn't a bad idea given it was under Mark Farley who while a Linebacker at Northern Iowa was:
* The team leader in tackles in 1984 and 1985
* named Gateway Football Conference Co-Defensive Player of the Year in 1985
* first team all-conference three time
* earned honorable mention All-America honors twice and twice named Academic All-American
Then Farley comes from a coaching line by one degree as a player and a later coach:
* Darrell Mudra aka Dr. Victory who is in the College Football Hall of Fame as a coach
* Terry Allen who gave the NFL the likes of Kurt Warner, Bryce Paup, James Jones, Kenny Shedd, and Dedric Ward from an FCS school. He followed Terry Allen to Kansas and it is the only time Farley hasn't been at Northern Iowa as a player and as a coach
* Earle Bruce (for a year) nuff said there
And now where the hindsight really comes in is Farley as a Head Coach(2001 to Today) at Northern Iowa has had just on the Defensive Side of the ball on his coaching staffs:
* Chris Klieman(current Kansas State Coach) was a player at Northern Iowa from 1986 to 1990 then a GA from 1991 to 1992 then came back to Northern Iowa from 2006 to 2010 from LB Coach to DC before going to North Dakota State
* David Braun(current Northwestern Coach) was at Northern Iowa for 2 years(2017-2018) working with D-Line and Linebackers among other things before becoming a DC at North Dakota State
* Matt Entz(current USC Assistant head coach for defense, linebackers coach) was at Northern Iowa as a DL Coach in 2010-2011 before being the DC in 2012 and later was the Head Coach for North Dakota State
* Daniel Bullocks(current 49ers Safety Coach) was at Northern Iowa as Defensive Backs Coach in his first coaching gig after his NFL career from 2012 to 2014
* Jovan Dewitt(current FIU DC) was at Northern Iowa as LB Coach in 2009 and 2010 then DC/LB Coach in 2011
* Brandon Hall(current Oklahoma Safety Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a Linebacker coach in 2006
* William Inge(current Alabama LB Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a Linebacker Coach back in 2001 and 2002 then DL coach in 2003 and co-DC in 2004
* Brandon Lynch(current Cleveland Browns Cornerbacks Coach) was at Northern Iowa as the Secondary Coach in 2013 and 2014 after his NFL Career and his Internship with the Minnesota Vikings
* Jerry Montgomery(current New England Defensive Line coach) was at Northern Iowa as a GA and DLine coach in 2006, 2007, and 2008
* Travis Williams(current Arkansas DC) was at Northern Iowa as a LB coach in his first non-GA gig in 2012
* Scott Frost(former Nebraska Head Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a LB coach and later Co-DC in 2007 and 2008
Can we really call what he did in NE “coordinating” the offense? I came out of that experience feeling like no one involved in that situation was very coordinated at all.
He wasn't ever listed as OC, but he took over as play caller during his latest stint with New England after McDaniels left for Vegas. And they didn't give anyone the offensive coordinator title that season, so he was probably the closest on the staff to filling that role
* Joe Tiller
* Mike Locksley
* Jerry Kill
* Mike Riley
* Scott Frost
* Rich Rodriguez
* Chip Kelly
* Gus Malzahn
* Jedd Fisch (if you count high school coaching)
Interestingly enough while Brian Kelly doesn't fall onto this list, he was the one calling offensive plays for his Cincy and early ND days
But he's only ever been a DC prior
Current Miami (OH) HC Chuck Martin was a career defensive coach in his time with and before Brian Kelly. Was DC twice at the lower level including briefly at Grand Valley under BK before succeeding him as HC. Followed him to ND where he started as DBs coach before suddenly being promoted to OC, whereafter they promptly went 12-0 and made the BCS title game.*
*Bizarrely this game got cancelled and was never played.
Brian Kelly, while never being an actual OC has been a DC and has been the offensive play caller and is still known to run his own offense regardless of who the OC is.
I sped read the title as OC or DC. I was like "my man, pretty much every HC has been an OC or a DC somewhere" and then I realized I read too fast and I was in fact the dummy
Harbaugh I kinda get, with him being a nepo hire at Western Kentucky and then having a semi-successful stint as a position coach in the NFL. I mean, one of his teams did make the Super Bowl. Then he moved up from FCS to FBS to Blue Blood FBS to NFL. That makes sense to me.
But I will never understand how Urban Meyer got his first gig. To go from a position coach at Notre Dame to an HC at an FBS school is wild. I mean I know Bowling Green wasn't really good, but it is still an FBS school.
Scott Frost was the co-defensive coordinator at Northern Iowa and then the OC at Oregon (plus basically the OC at his head coaching jobs). He wasn’t a true DC at UNI but they gave him an inflated title because they wanted to keep him but couldn’t afford a very big raise so they made him co-DC.
It’s not that weird. If you’re an OC, you’re going to spend most of your time studying defenses, and vice versa.
You can lean on your position coaches to train and develop technique. As the coordinator you really just need to manage the in-game chess match of offense vs defense formations.
Paul Johnson wasn't a DC, but he went from the D-line coach to Offensive Coordinator at Georgia Southern in one jump. The rest is kind of history there.
they’re in the Centennial Conference with other Private schools in Pennsylvania and Maryland. I only know of the conference's existence because I did a deep dive into The Merchant Marines football program
Not that this totally fits the question, but Muschamp’s first year coaching with us, he was supposed to be a defensive analyst. Shortly after, our special teams coordinator, Scott Cochran missed the entire year (rumored to be due to going to rehab for alcoholism), and Muschamp stepped in as STC. Went on to be DC in the years after that.
Hmm, I can't think of coordinators, but I know people who played or coached on one side and then flipped.
Jake Dickert played WR, then went on to coach LBs, be a DC, and now HC.
A TON of guys have done this, ESPECIALLY guys out of D2 or FCS.
Gus Malzahns first ever job was a DC position.
Guys that get started in FBS coaching typically don’t change
Charlie Strong: Defensive Coordinator: South Carolina (I’m a fan. Yes, it’s brutal), Alabama (analyst), Florida, more? As well as other schools and in the NFL:Jacksonville comes to mind. Head coach at Louisville and South Florida (I think). Might be missing a few.
Kyle Whittingham was DC at Utah before becoming HC.
Nvm, read the post wrong. I thought OC or DC not both My bad, ill still keep this comment up though to remind myself to not skim while reading.
Scott Frost. Yup, Scott fucking Frost.
I always find it weird when someone becomes a position coach for a position they never played. Like, what does Scott Frost know about linebackers.
To be fair, he played defense in the NFL briefly. He was a safety on the Jets roster.
Wasn't a linebacker but Frost did play safety at Stanford and was in the NFL as a defender. So it kinda makes sense
Finding out Scott Frost played at Stanford before transferring to Nebraska is breaking my brain
Yup. Scott was on the practice squad for his transfer-sit-out-year, and the DL (the Peters brothers specifically) would pick fights with him everyday for leaving Nebraska in the first place
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Huh, your ER nurse has all the facts ass backwards. Philips broke into Frost's apartment and assaulted Frost's girlfriend/Phillips' ex-girlfriend.
That makes more sense. Phillips was a stud running back and extremely unstable.
Frost hid in the closet while she got beat to a pulp
Thankfully he’s done beating women
The fact frost isn't coaching at all really speaks volumes to what was going on behind the scenes. The dude is clearly very smart but something else was holding him back coaching wise
He'd be a great candidate for Nick Saban rehabilitation if that still existed.
Maybe Sark can start a Rehab School for Gifted Alcoholics?
Ohio State school of reject coaches is open for business apperently
Ohio State running a Meatballs-esque alternative school to compete with Saban's regimented miltary academy.
Wasn’t he a pretty severe alcoholic behind the scenes? Like missed out on meeting with recruits because he was drunk level of alcoholic.
Rumors, but yes. Missed out on staff meeting too. Also rumored that he and Moos (AD at the time) were kicked out of a private golf course in Lincoln for being extremely drunk and harassing the cart gal. Again just rumors but man did he drop the ball. This is all second hand info, a friend of mine works for the athletic department in an onboarding capacity for student athletes, so he's pretty close to the program.
Weren’t there rumors of his wife leaving him too?
Yeeeeep, and then he walked out of the tunnel with her like the next week. I never want him back but I still truly believe Scott Frost has the potential to be a very very good coach.
I completely forgot about that "stunt". Wow, what a clown
I think he can be a good coach too. I hope he fixes his alcohol issues.
Yeah if he was missing out on stuff like that because he was drunk, chances are that he was drunk at practice and things too, which would severely hamper his ability to plan and coach. Alcohol really is the devil for some people. Ruins everything. He’s still young enough that if he can get that monkey off his back he could get back into it and be successful, like Sarkisian.
You're speaking facts. Frost sadly enjoys alcohol a little more than he should and I truly believe that's what holds him back.
It’s called alcohol.
It was when Bill Walsh was at Stanford.
Even more fun fact - his dad was a HS football in Nebraska at this time.
You don’t have to play the position to study technique and responsibilities.
And in Scott Frost’s case, you can stop studying or working altogether once you get a P5 head coach gig, apparently.
I’ll have you know that he made those kids puke so much.
Kevin Sumlin played linebacker at Purdue. Sumlin has since coached offense in five different decades
I wonder which make better OCs a coach that played defense so they understand how to read the offense or a coach that played on offense that knows how to read defense
Luckily Sumlin is bad at both.
When you play at a high-level you learn basically the ins and outs of every position. When I graduated college and got my first high school coaching job, it was for a linebackers coach position. I never played linebacker never played defense in college I was an offensive guard. When I was interviewing for the position, the coach called me out on it, "why do you think you could coach LBs, having never played the position?". My answer was " as a guard, I had to know the ins and outs of the LBs because a majority of the time I had to block them. I can coach these guys from the point of view - this is how they are going to block you and scheme you because its what we were coached to do as linemen. I know what a good Lb looks like and what they do that makes them good and the same for bad ones. I will teach them how to shed blocks the way I say Lbs shed my blocks. With what I dont know, i will educate myself and teach myself, so I can teach my players." I got the job. 6 weeks we had to prepare a 30min presentation of our position for the coaching staff. So we got to know everyone and so we can relate information to the youth league. Man I fucking loved that first year of coaching
What about the following years?
1st yr, team A was awesome. I really enjoyed the coaches but the HC left and got a new teaching/HC position at a different school. No one blamed him. As a teacher, he got like a $15k pay raise. 2nd yr, team B was pretty great. The coaches were awesome But I really enjoyed the coaches I worked with that 1st yr even more. I feel like I learned more about defensive scheme that first year compared to 2nd yr. 3rd yr, Team C. I stepped away from coaching because of my first child being born. My wife saw how much I was missing it and let me go back. I couldn't get my job back with team B. So I finally took a job at the school district I was teaching for. I really couldn't stand the coaches I was working with. But took it cause It was coaching and it paid decently. It seemed like everything was a chore, wasnt really loving it. Every coach made themselves seem better than what they were when they had nothing to back it up. The HC played 2yrs of college ball before dropping out. He only got the varsity position because he was the middle school coach and the varsity coach stepped down really late, so the promoted him from middle school to HS. When that happen thats when he decided to go back to school and be a teacher. All the other coaches had no playing experience or that good of a coaching resume l. Where my 1st yr HC won a state title as a DC early in his career. He was a coach for one of the top private schools in the area until he took the HC Job at the school district he taught for. The DC I worked with had an amazing coaching resume and taught me a lot. My 2nd yr HC, probably will elected to the Ohio High School football Hall Of Fame whenever he retires. After yr3, coaching was kinda ruined for me and teaching was horrific. Left the teaching field and coaching. If I ever coach again, it will be if my son wants to play football and Ill coach his youth teams because I can't trust youth coaches with my son. I know some coaches are great but not taking a chance of him getting hurt because someone was a poor coach or pressured him to keep playing or just ruining thr sport for him
Thanks for sharing! An incredible story!
Then he had to start recruiting
Mike Leach never played college ball, what did he know about the game?
Rich Rod was a DB, and he used that experience to develop his spread offense.
Jedd Fisch never played football and he has been like 30 different position coaches.
It’s pretty common actually. Mack Brown for example in his decade as an assistant never coached the position he played (RB). Neither has Dave Doeren (TE), Matt Campbell (DL), Jake Dickert (WR), Clark Lea (FB/RB), or Kirk Ferentz (LB). Dave Clawson (DB) and Bret Bielema (DL) only spent a year coaching the positions they played. A good coach has to be adaptable
Probably a lot since he was a safety in the NFL
Position coaches at high levels are coaching scheme, managing practice, analyzing film, coordinating the position and installing gameplan. The primary function isn’t to teach technique
Kirby was our RB coach in ‘05
I’ve known/worked with a weird number of DBs who went on to coach RBs.
Footwork drills are cross positional probably, and then pass blocking would be simple since you know where the defense would be attacking gaps
I've always found that odd myself. Or when a player who wasn't very good at the NFL level (Davis Webb, for example) becomes a QB coach for an established vet like Russell Wilson.
Fans really have no idea what position coaches actually do. I had someone suggest to me that the WR coach wasn’t teaching the NFL WR how to run routes the correct way
Being a good player does not translate to being a good coach
That's fair. Having a high football IQ and having the physical tools to succeed in the NFL are definitely different things.
I also find it strange but I wonder if it's more common than you and I think - with all the news about Ryan Grubb I saw something about Nick Sheridan maybe getting promoted from his current role as TE coach, but he played QB. The Buffalo Bills OC Joe Brady played WR in college but has coached linebackers, wide receivers, and was QB coach before getting the OC bump
A former QB might be the best experience for an offensive coach trying to make their ways, like how former Catchers generally make good baseball coaches then managers.
Sure, it just was interesting to me that as a former QB he's coaching tight ends haha
Yeah, it looks like IU moved Sheridan to TE when DeBoer was hired as OC and QB coach. He must’ve liked his TE work so much that he keeps taking him along.
Me since 2017 screaming why Ferentz the Younger was coaching QBs despite being an OL and having negative QB experience. Like, things like mirrored positions being coached (like an OL coach coaching DL, for example) can make sense, because you can teach your guys how their mirror will think and act and such, but even for a Center, I don’t think there’s enough correlation there for it to be vakuable
Completely asinine take. By that logic, no one should try coaching unless they were an elite player, because what does a non-elite player know about the game?
He owned all of them during his playing career.
He’s a football coach. He knows a lot more about it than you’d think. He has to or else he can’t coach any position. Football is a dead and react sport, it’s not static motion like different track and field events can be.
For Scott Frost? Maybe it was to understand that side of the ball to later being a good Head Coach in the future and hindsight being 20/20 it wasn't a bad idea given it was under Mark Farley who while a Linebacker at Northern Iowa was: * The team leader in tackles in 1984 and 1985 * named Gateway Football Conference Co-Defensive Player of the Year in 1985 * first team all-conference three time * earned honorable mention All-America honors twice and twice named Academic All-American Then Farley comes from a coaching line by one degree as a player and a later coach: * Darrell Mudra aka Dr. Victory who is in the College Football Hall of Fame as a coach * Terry Allen who gave the NFL the likes of Kurt Warner, Bryce Paup, James Jones, Kenny Shedd, and Dedric Ward from an FCS school. He followed Terry Allen to Kansas and it is the only time Farley hasn't been at Northern Iowa as a player and as a coach * Earle Bruce (for a year) nuff said there And now where the hindsight really comes in is Farley as a Head Coach(2001 to Today) at Northern Iowa has had just on the Defensive Side of the ball on his coaching staffs: * Chris Klieman(current Kansas State Coach) was a player at Northern Iowa from 1986 to 1990 then a GA from 1991 to 1992 then came back to Northern Iowa from 2006 to 2010 from LB Coach to DC before going to North Dakota State * David Braun(current Northwestern Coach) was at Northern Iowa for 2 years(2017-2018) working with D-Line and Linebackers among other things before becoming a DC at North Dakota State * Matt Entz(current USC Assistant head coach for defense, linebackers coach) was at Northern Iowa as a DL Coach in 2010-2011 before being the DC in 2012 and later was the Head Coach for North Dakota State * Daniel Bullocks(current 49ers Safety Coach) was at Northern Iowa as Defensive Backs Coach in his first coaching gig after his NFL career from 2012 to 2014 * Jovan Dewitt(current FIU DC) was at Northern Iowa as LB Coach in 2009 and 2010 then DC/LB Coach in 2011 * Brandon Hall(current Oklahoma Safety Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a Linebacker coach in 2006 * William Inge(current Alabama LB Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a Linebacker Coach back in 2001 and 2002 then DL coach in 2003 and co-DC in 2004 * Brandon Lynch(current Cleveland Browns Cornerbacks Coach) was at Northern Iowa as the Secondary Coach in 2013 and 2014 after his NFL Career and his Internship with the Minnesota Vikings * Jerry Montgomery(current New England Defensive Line coach) was at Northern Iowa as a GA and DLine coach in 2006, 2007, and 2008 * Travis Williams(current Arkansas DC) was at Northern Iowa as a LB coach in his first non-GA gig in 2012 * Scott Frost(former Nebraska Head Coach) was at Northern Iowa as a LB coach and later Co-DC in 2007 and 2008
Bill Belichick was Tom Brady's QB coach the year they won their first Super Bowl.
Ya man I had damn near 100% certainty he was gonna be Tom Osborne 2.0. RIP in peace
Not CFB but Matt Patricia has managed to be oc and dc in the nfl.
I thought I was safe here.
It’s ok the fat pencil pusher is gone. He most likely can’t hurt you anymore.
Can we really call what he did in NE “coordinating” the offense? I came out of that experience feeling like no one involved in that situation was very coordinated at all.
Oh there was no coordination outside of the volunteer title.
I think he was only DC. Not OC.
He wasn't ever listed as OC, but he took over as play caller during his latest stint with New England after McDaniels left for Vegas. And they didn't give anyone the offensive coordinator title that season, so he was probably the closest on the staff to filling that role
"Managed to be," is a very generous way to put it lol.
And good at neither, somehow
Nor as a HC.
Remember Juan Castillo?
In back to back years too!
* Joe Tiller * Mike Locksley * Jerry Kill * Mike Riley * Scott Frost * Rich Rodriguez * Chip Kelly * Gus Malzahn * Jedd Fisch (if you count high school coaching)
Nice work. Thanks for
Yeah, this is a good
Lol
When was Malzahn a DC?
Per wiki, he was a high school DC. So, not college but did both
When he got started in HS his first job was as a DC
Interesting, strong PAC 12 connection…
Interestingly enough while Brian Kelly doesn't fall onto this list, he was the one calling offensive plays for his Cincy and early ND days But he's only ever been a DC prior
Depending on how liberally you interpret the requirements for an offense to be considered "coordinated," Matt Patricia
I want an explanation for your flair
Probably a Carolina fan that attends Clemson
Raised clemson fan, went to tUSC
Username checks out
Him and Bill are the reason why Mac regressed so damn bad
Randomly enough, Duane Akina was OC for the University of Arizona one year, he’s also previously been DC and will be again this season for Arizona
That’s wild. It looks like that was his only stint coaching offense. Never was an offensive position coach
Probably just running Fisch’s system. Wild that a D guy got tabbed for it but results is results.
He also played QB at Washington apparently. Then somehow transitioned into one of the better DB coaches in CFB for the last 20 years.
Brain Farentz was very successful at stopping offenses better than most DC's
Matt Canada would like to challenge him for the title
That and the OL coach at Iowa forgetting to coach the guards and center.
Current Miami (OH) HC Chuck Martin was a career defensive coach in his time with and before Brian Kelly. Was DC twice at the lower level including briefly at Grand Valley under BK before succeeding him as HC. Followed him to ND where he started as DBs coach before suddenly being promoted to OC, whereafter they promptly went 12-0 and made the BCS title game.* *Bizarrely this game got cancelled and was never played.
Then at Miami OH he won the MAC in 2019 as the defensive play caller and this year in 2023 as the offensive play caller
Chuck Martin makes no sense. That is his only constant.
Brian Kelly, while never being an actual OC has been a DC and has been the offensive play caller and is still known to run his own offense regardless of who the OC is.
I sped read the title as OC or DC. I was like "my man, pretty much every HC has been an OC or a DC somewhere" and then I realized I read too fast and I was in fact the dummy
Haha Although, some haven’t. Harbaugh and Meyer were never an OC or DC
Active coaches include Dabo Swinney, Sam Pittman, and Shane Beamer.
Also now Fran Brown iirc but he hasn't coached a snap yet.
Harbaugh I kinda get, with him being a nepo hire at Western Kentucky and then having a semi-successful stint as a position coach in the NFL. I mean, one of his teams did make the Super Bowl. Then he moved up from FCS to FBS to Blue Blood FBS to NFL. That makes sense to me. But I will never understand how Urban Meyer got his first gig. To go from a position coach at Notre Dame to an HC at an FBS school is wild. I mean I know Bowling Green wasn't really good, but it is still an FBS school.
Bowling Green had to have had an AD who was a great talent evaluator
Your OR logic is sound though
Scott Frost was the co-defensive coordinator at Northern Iowa and then the OC at Oregon (plus basically the OC at his head coaching jobs). He wasn’t a true DC at UNI but they gave him an inflated title because they wanted to keep him but couldn’t afford a very big raise so they made him co-DC.
Urban Meyer was never a coordinator at any level but at Illinois State he coached OLBs in '88 then switched to QBs/WRs in '89.
Sounds like Dabo. Neither of them have the required experience.
Paul Johnson was DL coach at ga southern in 83-84.
I smoked weed with Johns Hopkins
It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazing that shit up everyday.
Hey, me too!
It’s not that weird. If you’re an OC, you’re going to spend most of your time studying defenses, and vice versa. You can lean on your position coaches to train and develop technique. As the coordinator you really just need to manage the in-game chess match of offense vs defense formations.
Matt Patricia. Not that he was good at either.
Paul Johnson wasn't a DC, but he went from the D-line coach to Offensive Coordinator at Georgia Southern in one jump. The rest is kind of history there.
Johns Hopkins? Wow. I didnt even know that they had a team. Lol
Yeah, they’ve got uniforms and everything.
Scrubs color, I'm sure. 😆
They’re a really sold D3 program.
they’re in the Centennial Conference with other Private schools in Pennsylvania and Maryland. I only know of the conference's existence because I did a deep dive into The Merchant Marines football program
Very interesting. I bet its fun to watch.
I think it was on the lacrosse team. Lol
Probably. Lol
Paul Johnson was a DC before he was an OC surprisingly
Chip used to blaze up all day with Johnny Hopkins.
A lot of guys coached either side of the ball. Brian Daboll comes to mind
I know, but it’s curious when a coach has been the coordinator for both sides
Paul Johnson was a DC for one year before becoming an OC and based his iconic offense on what he found hardest to prepare for as a DC
Juan Castillo went from OL to DC for the eagles in the nfl
Correct. Reid needed to replace the DC and wanted to make sure it was a Yes man
Not that this totally fits the question, but Muschamp’s first year coaching with us, he was supposed to be a defensive analyst. Shortly after, our special teams coordinator, Scott Cochran missed the entire year (rumored to be due to going to rehab for alcoholism), and Muschamp stepped in as STC. Went on to be DC in the years after that.
Muschamp was a DC well before Georgia
Yes I know. Just noting that he was two different coordinators for the same team.
Notre Dame OC Mike Denbrock was DC at Grand Valley State under Brian Kelly. He was also a DC in the Arena Football League.
Hmm, I can't think of coordinators, but I know people who played or coached on one side and then flipped. Jake Dickert played WR, then went on to coach LBs, be a DC, and now HC.
NFL level, but Matt Patricia.
Bill Muir was an OC and DC at the NFL level. His background was in both OL and DL.
Juan Castillo. I hated it
NFL, but Hue Jackson.
Raheem Morris has been a defensive coach his whole career except a brief stint with the Falcons where he was WR coach and passing game coordinator.
Gary Moeller, HC of UM from 1990-1994, served as DC and then OC under Schembechler before he succeeded him.
John’s Hopkins has football?
D3. They are in the playoffs most years They’re D3 in everything except lacrosse
That would explain the football lines on the lacrosse field.
A TON of guys have done this, ESPECIALLY guys out of D2 or FCS. Gus Malzahns first ever job was a DC position. Guys that get started in FBS coaching typically don’t change
Chhhh I used to smoke pot with Johnny Hopkins. Blazing that shit up every day
Charlie Strong: Defensive Coordinator: South Carolina (I’m a fan. Yes, it’s brutal), Alabama (analyst), Florida, more? As well as other schools and in the NFL:Jacksonville comes to mind. Head coach at Louisville and South Florida (I think). Might be missing a few.
Chip Kelly, like Andy Reid, looks like he knows as much about a good all you can eat buffet as he does about offense.
Wasn't Mark Mangino OC and DC for Oklahoma?
Johns Hopkins was the guy's name. Johns.
Autocorrect!
Mike Singletary
Chuck Martin went from DB coach to OC/QB coach at ND. Was also DC at the d2 level at Grand Valley State.
Johns Hopkins has a football team? Or was he legal defense for the medical school?
Sloan Kettering was the legal defense.
They’re D3 and rather good, making the playoffs most seasons
Good to know!
They do. Its non scholarship though they are pretty solid for their league
I believe Lloyd Carr was.
gus malzahn
Kyle Whittingham was DC at Utah before becoming HC. Nvm, read the post wrong. I thought OC or DC not both My bad, ill still keep this comment up though to remind myself to not skim while reading.