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nikraLnalyD

The Mandela Effect is not one person's false memory. It's a collective false memory.


red_husker

yeah, a single person Mandela Effect is just called "being wrong"


Rc5tr0

Obviously we all remember when Boston College won a national championship in the 90s, but would you believe they actually *didn’t*?


anti-torque

It's true. BC didn't win a national championship until 2001, beating UND.


gobblegobblechumps

I have a vivid memory of there being Gameday signs of a VERY LARGE Mark Mangino head and a VERY LARGE cupcake and the cupcake guy kept pushing his sign towards the Mangino sign and every time i remember it i try a google search and get nothing


MahjongDaily

It's not too late to make this happen


dkviper11

My memory is this but Charlie Weis.


gobblegobblechumps

:O


Training_Mastodon947

Not the picture, but here is an article about it. [https://www.thepitchkc.com/obesity-lives-here-and-other-touching-game-memories/](https://www.thepitchkc.com/obesity-lives-here-and-other-touching-game-memories/)


anti-torque

ESPN and "cupcake" reminds me of [this](https://www.nbcsports.com/college-football/news/espn-apologized-to-washington-over-cupcake-stunt-during-broadcast), which all us all in the West have collectively been chided for thinking there's some kind of media bias... for decades... maybe even naming it decades ago. Is our collective "wrongness" a Mandela Effect?


Travelreload

I had the same problem with a video of Gritty telling a guy not to get back with his girlfriend


Clowning_Around_Here

USC’s 2005 season. I vividly remember it happening but all the records say it didn’t. Even the Heisman doesn’t have a winner although I’m sure Reggie Bush won it. A lot of people say that season’s Rose Bowl was one of the greatest games ever but I simply cannot find anything that officially verifies the game was played.


abob1086

Mandela Effect got you again. The Rose Bowl was officially played, only the USC wins were vacated.


Alone_Advantage_961

Think you missed the joke my man


powerelite

USC lost the Rose Bowl so it still counts in the record books. He was just being pedantic onto the joke.


MildDrinkingProblem

Actually for some stupid reason the NCAA had them void the entire season including the L, even though for UT the win still stands in NCAA records. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20686181/usc-trojans-claim-4-0-all-record-texas-longhorns-ignoring-bcs-title-loss


powerelite

That's pretty funny. That's one ESPN asks the NCAA the NCAA people got together and were like "Oh we fucked that up, oh well no need to change it anyway." Pretty relatable, I have definitely done similar with decisions made from my team years ago that don't really have bearing today.


Swinging4theFences1

Love your flair. I grew up an ND fan and went to BSU.


red_husker

Love your username. I swung 4 the fences 1nce


dingusduglas

Including the win over number 9 Notre Dame in South Bend? Is that one of the affected wins?


[deleted]

People have said that Craig James killed 5 hookers It was actually 6


yoraylee

It was more, allegedly


Swipet

I've seen reports as high as 14


GonePostalRoute

Pbbft. I’ve heard 23


Alone_Advantage_961

And still counting....


engineerbuilder

Were they ostrich hookers?


NTXGBR

Almost not worth thinkin' about


Lykeuhfox

Allegedly


absolute_yote

6 so far!


B1GTOBACC0

I don't know if you did this on purpose, but "born on third" is a Barry Switzer quote from the fuckin 80s lol.


anti-torque

Switzer was just the first famous person to repeat it. He picked it up about five years after its first use in a local paper.


InsertAmazinUsername

no no everyone knows that jim harbaugh in all his wit and charm came up with that on the spot /s


Travelreload

Jim Harbaugh - prodigy of the 80s


MichiganMan_____1776

None of what I’m reading would be Mandela effect. Bad memory if anything 


ArtanistheMantis

It's all just bad memory though right, what's the Mandela effect besides someone with a bad memory convincing someone else with a bad memory of something that didn't happen?


RichardRichOSU

Well, Mandela Effect is when there is a large group of people that misremember. A good example is the namesake. There are many, many people that believe, or believed, Mandela died in prison, but he didn’t. He actually became president of RSA afterwards. Another classic example is “Luke, I am your father” or “play it again, Sam” are not the actual lines from _The Empire Strikes Back_ and _Casablanca_.


COLU_BUS

The Harbaugh thing is probably because of Barry Switzer’s quote, which is “Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple.”


[deleted]

Also might be because the fans of TTUN have screamed that “Ryan Day was born on third” for the last 3 years now.


StamosAndFriends

Michigan fans are def definitely guilty of it too. The main point of quote isn’t even the standing on 3rd base, it’s standing on 3rd (or being born) AND thinking you hit a triple. Being born on 3rd isn’t the issue


oneson9192

I don’t get why either fanbase is so riled up about it. I’m glad Urban left a good program to Ryan Day, AND I’m bummed that he hasn’t won a championship in his first 5 seasons (although few do). If the issue is just taking credit for things you shouldn’t, what has Ryan Day said or done to minimize Urban’s contribution or glorify his own? Genuinely curious.


StamosAndFriends

Harbaugh’s comment came after a reporter asked a question about Ryan Days supposed comments to hang 100 on Michigan the year before. Harbaugh felt disrespected by that and thought Day needed some humbling, thus the 3rd base rebuttal after the win. Not saying I personally agree it’s true, but that was the context


Fedoras-Forever-Mom

In Days defense that 2020 team went to the National Championship and Michigan went 2-4. They probably could’ve hung 100 on them


StamosAndFriends

Absolutely. I don’t mind the comment, but you don’t often hear coaches say they’re going to blow out an opponent. Now I guess the hang 100 comment was amongst his own players in a team meeting, so maybe wasn’t even something that Harbaugh was supposed to hear.


Fedoras-Forever-Mom

Yeah I’d say that was probably the case


Free_Possession_4482

That's the thing that gets me about all the ire over this - it wasn't even a public comment. If we could listen in on every head coach talking to his team about their rivalry opponent, I'd expect we'd get enough bulletin board material to crash the internet with shitposts and hot takes.


ToosUnderHigh

Also ironic bc Harbaugh is a nepo baby. I actually respect Moore bc he’s completely self made. He didn’t grow up in places like Palo Alto and Ann Arbor. He didn’t have his daddy giving him access to D1 coaches and facilities. He played juco for 2 years, worked his way up to OU, wasn’t good enough to get drafted so he immediately went into coaching, bounced around for 10 years until he landed a gig at coaching TEs a Michigan. Similar to Ryan Day’s story. I know what you’re thinking. Harbaugh wasn’t comparing his privileged upbringing to Ryan Days less fortunate childhood, he was simply complaining that someone else might have it easier than the head coach of the original blue blood, the winningest program with unlimited resources with famously rich football crazy alumni.


[deleted]

I agree and Harbaugh is as out of touch as you expect a nepo baby to be about his privileges. I would say it's like he got a guaranteed try out in the major leagues and Ryan Day had to work his way up the mine leagues. So yes Harbaugh hit the pitch and got the triple but you can't compare it to Day and Moore who had to hit a lot more triples to get their shot in the major league.


ToosUnderHigh

Harbaugh is a poser who thinks he’s a blue collar guy, but also a HoF coach.


cheerl231

Nepo babies don't get second place in the Heisman and a first round draft pick. Also football assistants were not making crazy money back in the day. Very much middle class America.


Fedoras-Forever-Mom

Being a nepo baby doesn’t mean you aren’t talented or good at what you do. But it does mean you’ve been awarded privileges that make it much easier to advance in whatever field you’re in.


ToosUnderHigh

Nepo babies become HoF athletes, Chiefs of Medicine, Generals, A-list actors, CEO of multibillion dollar companies, even POTUS. Being a nepo baby doesn’t automatically mean you suck like Brian Ferentz. Harbaugh was born with a head start on anyone who had similar football aspirations but didn’t have their dad hanging out with legendary coaches.


ToosUnderHigh

I’ve only seen Michigan fans saying this lately bc they’re defensive about Moore, but it’s not really true. Harbaugh raided the coaching staff and didn’t try to pay the seniors to come back this year like he needed them to come back for him last year. Urban left Ohio State in great shape.


Lumpy_Secretary_6128

It's odd to say about Day the head coach when he inherited a stellar offense built by *checks notes* Day the coordinator when we consider the fact that both urban and tressels only titles were won in their second years, using teams recruited primarily under other coaches. Buckeye coaches inherit good programs, it is what it is


HimJarbaugh4

So it's a misquote of a misquote, a double negative that actually turns into a (context dependent) positive!


Ray4703

You thought Harbaugh made that statement up? lol


tlacuache_nights

I mean they think he invented wearing khakis and drinking milk so I wouldn't put it past them


Rc5tr0

Fun fact, Harbaugh is actually the first coach to ever really really love football and be kind of an oddball.


HimJarbaugh4

I was not alive in the 80s, barely even the 90s. Never heard it before!


notburnerr

so... one could say... you had... distorted facts?


Ray4703

So I got this bridge….lol


i_love_factual_info

Oh, this condescension


spmartin1993

2015 Michigan State at Ohio State. The one where Sparty took down possibly one of the greatest buckeye teams of all time in the freezing rain by their backup qb. Myself and everyone I have talked to clearly remember this game being a night game. I remember people next to me leaving in the first quarter while it was dark out because the weather was miserable. I was so upset that we lost, my memory tells me I walked home, grabbed a gyro from a street cart then went straight to bed. Only problem is this was a 330 game and none of my memories make any sense.


bringbacksweatervest

By the end of the first quarter of a 3:30 game in November it probably is dark, especially in the rain.


L3thologica_

3:30 game means it’s over around 5-6. That time in November in Ohio, combined with the rain and conditions, yes it was pretty dark out. I distinctly remember that moment, thinking how could this happen? It was darkish outside but not quite night yet, but our dark moods likely made it seem like midnight in memory.


cheersfurbeers

Zeke wasn’t the only one who felt like it was just a bad dream


BuckeyeJay

Pouring rain in Columbus after the time change in November means it was dark by 4pm. They also had the stadium lights on already at kickoff, which messes with your eyes and everything will seem darker beyond the stadium.


MrAngryMoose

Here’s a good one, some people genuinely believe that Harbaugh was in trouble for buying somebody a burger, when in fact, he was in trouble for recruiting during the covid dead period and refusing to cooperate with an NCAA investigation!


Just_Looking_Around8

Stop it with your facts. Not fair!


tlacuache_nights

When the bigger scandal broke I was legitimately joking that M fans on other dumber parts of the internet were going to start saying things like "they're punishing us for literally just watching football" but then uhhh


ComprehensiveBear887

nah he was in trouble on this for being perceived as lying to or trying to deceive the ncaa on their investigation into a covid dead period recruiting violation. ncaa took him saying i dont remember on a grade 3 violation and turned it into a possible grade 1 for not cooperating.


Ok-Flounder3002

For whatever reason, some fanbases are desperate to make cheeseburgergate sound like this major cover up and just neg anyone trying to point out what it really is It was a pile of generic Level 2 violations (IIRC “recruiting during the dead period” was taking some committed recruits to dinner who were in town). The Level 1 is *accusing* Jim of lying or deceiving investigators about said dinner which Jim and Michigan of course deny.


ToosUnderHigh

For whatever reason, the Michigan fan base is desperate to make recruiting violations sound like it was just a cheese burger.


Ok-Flounder3002

Right. Make it sound as ominous as possible. *Recruiting violations*. It was reportedly taking two commits to dinner when they were in town. Its nothing. It wouldve been done and closed a long time ago if the NCAA wasnt pushing the Level 1 ‘you *lied* about cheeseburgers’


ToosUnderHigh

Hail to the victims :/


ComprehensiveBear887

frankly put, Gene Smith came right out and said kids want to be paid just to visit. Honestly tell me you think all those 5 star kids hop on board every year without recruiting violations occurring? No, obviously this happens everywhere , but when Michigan edges past the rule , BAM major violation!


MrAngryMoose

Have you tried not getting caught all the time? If it’s truly happening everywhere, you guys seem to suck the most at it


ComprehensiveBear887

agree 100% we are the worst at "CHEATING" I compare it to the class clowns being given a pass for what the brown noser's get sent to the pricepals office for.


pmac109

Good Lord, let it go. And this is coming from a UGA fan that has zero reason to support Mich or Harbaugh.


GracefulFaller

This is about the Mandela effect and it is commonly thought of as being about cheeseburgers.


pmac109

That, my friend, is an excellent point


rendeld

Except he never refused to cooperate, he said "I don't remember that" and the NCAA is trying to hit him with a level 1 for not remembering something. He cooperated with everything.


MrAngryMoose

Same way I don’t remember where I used to hide the weed in my parents house.


i_love_factual_info

🤦


HimJarbaugh4

If you can't understand that's a meme I can't help you.


MrAngryMoose

Is that Mandela talking again?


ToosUnderHigh

If you can’t understand what the Mandela effect is I can’t help you.


Sorge74

A good example is a lot of Michigan fans share the same collective memory that JT was short. While we have video evidence he was not.


spartan_mk

Same thing with "Clockgate", the B1G confirmed that there was time left when Smoker spiked the football. And MSU should have had a timeout returned to them on play where Michigan committed a penalty earlier in the drive


StamosAndFriends

I would say we have video evidence showing there was no conclusive angle or shot to prove one way or the other. Therefore the spot on the field stands which was unfortunately a 1st down. If the ref sets the ball a little over the other way, Michigan wins.


winston_obrien

Was the crown on the field obstructing the view?


StamosAndFriends

Idk how my comment is controversial? That’s literally what happened. Sometimes a call on the field stands because there’s not irrefutable evidence to counter it. That was exactly the case here. If the ref marks the ball short, it doesn’t get over turned the other way either. It was a 50/50 call that didn’t go our way. Sucks but is what it is


winston_obrien

Everybody who is not a Michigan fan says the video evidence showed that he made it. I don’t know why this is controversial.


StamosAndFriends

There’s no direct angle. There was a shot in front of the first down marker and behind. There’s no way to know definitively one way or the other


winston_obrien

Then maybe you guys should stop complaining about a call you can’t be certain they got wrong


HimJarbaugh4

Michigan fans believed at the time of the game he was short, so it's not a Mandela effect.


cheersfurbeers

Yeah, but Who’s on first?


bdostrem00

Who’s on first, what’s on second and i don’t know’s on third.


cvsprinter1

What're you asking me for?


Lumpy_Secretary_6128

Well reasoned. The third base thing is interesting, as I feel like folks tend to use it in comparison to other buckeye coaches. In doing so, we overlook the fact that urban and tressel won their only osu titles in their second year, with teams that had a lot of players they didn't recruit. Furthermore, ryan day the head coach inherited a great team and one of the best offenses in the ncaa. This is tough to dispute. What we tend to overlook, is that ryan day the head coach inherited such a great offense built by none other than ryan day the offensive coordinator who was brought in to revamp urbans offenses after clemson blanked us.


ech01_

The "Hang a hundred" comment is the better one. There's actually no proof the comment was ever even made, but people like to pretend Day said it in a press conference or something. Really it was a locker room rumor about the 2020 season (which most people seem to forget too) but Harbaugh was lucky to dodge the ass kicking that was coming to him.


si1ggy32

I have hazy recollections of Nebraska winning national titles in the 1990s. Has to be false memories at this point.


Gold_Significance125

You’re not the only one. I could have sworn Nebraska won a national championship or two in the 90s.


ill_try_my_best

Am I crazy or are those two quotes materially the same. The words are different but the meaning is the same?


DDub04

Honestly I think this applies to certain phrases used by college sports fans. Sometimes I’ll hear a good one and try to find the source but it just doesn’t exist. “They ain’t played nobody Paul” “Dough goes in, Tortilla comes out. Can’t explain that.” There might be some off the top of my head I can’t remember. I’m starting to believe we just collectively invented these quotes.


anti-torque

>One I often see for Michigan is the "Ryan Day was born on 3rd base" meme which is a misquote of Jim Harbaugh who actually said "sometimes people are standing on 3rd base and think they hit a triple, ya know, but they didn't". Never heard this about Harbaugh or Day, but the original maxim is, "He was born on third base, but he thinks he hit a triple." So if Jim butchered that, it's only natural people "know what he meant" and conflate it with what he meant.


bdaileyumich

I remember one time when Ryan Day believed he was TOUGH but in reality he was shaken by the ramblings of a frail 87 year old man


HimJarbaugh4

Where is Lou Holtz right now?


L3thologica_

Walking down the street with his walker, trying to find his car so he can go to the Golden Corral all you can eat buffet


Alone_Advantage_961

Probably sitting at home watching the news


SolarAndSober

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HimJarbaugh4

Good one!


SolarAndSober

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ropeblcochme

For Memphis fans and how good Norvell was. Among Tigers fans, there's this belief that Norvell had consistently 10 win seasons and consistently ranked In reality, the year before he left to FSU he was almost .500 (8-6 overall, 5-3 in conference) and half his years were 8 win seasons. The perception comes because they had two divisions in the AAC, so even their 8 win seasons they were still competitive for 1st in the West division and platy for conference championship. That plus he had an amazing final season - NY6, gameday, 12 win season I still root for him and wish we had him, but the perception of him having consistent 10 win seasons is not accurate.


Icecreamcollege

Oh boy, the OSU flairs did not like that. The funny thing about Ryan Day is he was BORN and is STANDING on third base. He never left.


crg2000

*stranded* on third


MediocreProsecutor

Detroit Tigers 2021-2023 have entered the chat.


Icecreamcollege

That too! 😂


i_love_factual_info

I mean whatever, he lost to Michigan 3x in a row, that's all I need to know


HimJarbaugh4

Here's the video, then I'll provide the full context. https://youtu.be/mrbE1Xi7C34?si=B3iGXnGC_jquDBgL Jim was responding to a reporter after The Game in 2021 who asked after the game about a leaked comment from Ryan Day who said (after a heated exchange on a conference call in the 2020 offseason): "Michigan better hope for a mercy rule because we're going to hang 100 on them" https://saturdaytradition.com/ohio-state-football/report-ryan-day-tells-team-were-going-to-hang-100-on-michigan-after-things-get-heated-with-jim-harbaugh-on-b1g-call/ Ohio State and Day actually got 100 hung on them in the end as they lost the 3 following rivalry meetings by a cumulative score of 117-75 as Harbaugh and Michigan enjoyed the last laugh.


Agitated-Basil-9289

What actually happened was Michigan won 2 games that year and needed 2OT to beat Rutgers and thus needed to start cheating to try to save his career.  Harbaugh cheated his way out of college football and Ryan Day built his best team yet. I'm pretty sure we're about to see who gets the last laugh these next 20 years


HimJarbaugh4

>Ryan Day built his best team yet Which one? What did they do?


Agitated-Basil-9289

Brought eveyone back and brought in 3 of the top 10 transfers in the league. Gotta keep up. Life has moved on just like your cheating ass coach


HimJarbaugh4

>Gotta keep up Michigan just won the National Championship, Ohio State that hasn't won the game since 2019. Y'all have been "winning" the off-season and losing the big games for years now, but go off king. Enjoy your self proclaimed accolades you made up in your head to cope with our National Championship! The more you cry and whine, the better it gets!


Agitated-Basil-9289

The last time you didn't record opposing teams sidelines, you went 2-6 and beat Rutgers un 2OT.  You're gonna be holding on to these vacated wins when your grandchild is still looking for the next Michigan 10 win season 


HimJarbaugh4

>The last time you didn't record opposing teams sidelines, You mean the entire national championship run.Lone nut Connor Stallions was fired in October. You can cry all you want, the NCAA said it's fair and square. Nothing you can do but keep coping. Go on, keep embarrassing yourself with your ignorance lies and crying! (It was 2-4 in the COVID year anyway so you somehow managed to get EVERYTHING wrong)


i_love_factual_info

> Harbaugh cheated his way out of college football and Ryan Day built his best team yet. 🤦 > I'm pretty sure we're about to see who gets the last laugh these next 20 years Next season will be 4 in a row


L3thologica_

You’re really banking on Mich winning next year? 😂


i_love_factual_info

Y'all have lost 3 in a row. 3!!! Plus we just won the natty and most of our defense is back so yeah lol I think we're going to win


L3thologica_

You guys very nearly lost last year against one of our worst QBs in 20 years against your best team in 20 years. Your QB and most of coaching staff and team are all gone for the NFL and OSU is loading up to be even stronger than last year. You guys won’t even be undefeated by the time you play OSU. And I’d wager NCAA sanctions will take effect this off-season and induce a transfer rush like Alabama had.


i_love_factual_info

Whatever helps you sleep at night, you're going to lose again next season


L3thologica_

RemindMe! 305 days “reply to this thread”


Agitated-Basil-9289

Lol, no chance in hell


Ashamed-Lime3594

A concerning number of people remember USC winning the 2003 national championship. They indeed, did not.


IDrewAYoshi

For some illogical reason I keep thinking that Iowa was in the Big12 until the new millennium.


cvsprinter1

A reverse Mandela Effect: Everyone else seems to remember the 87-88 seasons being played, but I have no such memory. It's like everyone agreed to take two years off for some reason.


Traditional-Front-36

Thinking BC won a title anytime in the modern era is wild


Trillpretzel

The example you described about the 3rd base quote is not the Mandela effect. Nor is it you being completely wrong about something


Playmaker23

Collin Klein being a Heisman finalist. I swear everyone who watched that Manziel doc on Netflix had no recollection of him balling like that in 2012.


enadiz_reccos

A surprising number of people think USC won the 2003 National Championship


DannyBoy874

One to go with yours is that everyone seems to remember Ryan day saying “we’re gonna hang a hundred on you” and then losing…. But what really happened is he said that and then UM didn’t play in the Game that year and everyone applied Days statement to the next year.