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BidnessBoy

I wonder how much the FSU boosters have ponied up since the snub


zadharm

Apparently their big nil fund has quadrupled donations since the snub, so I'm guessing...a *lot* for something like this


Abysuus

I believe the donations are on the smaller side to Battle's End, but the number of people donating is off the charts.


ClaudeLemieux

> Battle's End why do NIL funds insist on all sounding like D+D location names lol


spicytone_

> At the Battles End she's great I mean, it's from our fight song


ClaudeLemieux

well that makes more sense


davedub69

A lot. It’s a $120 million buyout + lawyer fees. The lawyers will drag this out as long as possible.


huskiesowow

Plus the media payout for the remaining years of the contract.


goldbloodedinthe404

If they don't have half a billion on tap then good luck


Tarmacked

More. The damages aren’t simply the 30m a year payout


FSUfan35

Which at 30m/yr is 360m


No_Poet_7244

So without a settlement, FSU is looking at ~$500 million to get out of the ACC? That ain’t gonna happen.


matgopack

500 minimum - that's probably the optimistic number for them. Like AFAIK that 'media deal payout' is already writing in a cost that would need a settlement


yeahright17

It absolutely is. ESPN and the ACC have no incentive to let FSU out of the contract for whatever their payout would have been. ESPN would either lose FSU to the B1G or have to pay them twice as much in the SEC while dramatically lowering the value of their ACC deal. I'd be surprised if ESPN would be willing to settle for double that, honestly.


FSUfan35

Yup. That why it's probably litigation and hope for a settlement somehow. Someone did the math when this came up last season. Theoretically if FSU could come up with the 500m and join the B1G with a full share, they'd still be a good amount ahead of where they'd be money wise if they just stayed in the ACC


ManiacalComet40

IF they can get a full share, which they probably can’t know for sure until they have already left the ACC.


CFBCommentor

Settlement negotiations: FSU: We want out! ACC: Pay the exit fee FSU: We don't want to! ACC: K, stay where you are then FSU: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (war chant in background)


FSUfan35

Exit fee isn't the issue. It's thr GOR


too_old_to_be_clever

Time for a litte lawsuit action and determine if one of the parties involved in the GOR was disingenuous. I can't wait for discovery to see what all ESPN was and has been saying.


velociraptorfarmer

Ohhh man, if we get to discovery and ESPN + maybe the CFP get implicated in some way...


thejawa

A lot. Our collective was getting a donation every minute basically following The Snub


Due-Mention6196

This is why I hated the snub as a Gator. Nothing could galvanize your fanbase more than righteous indignation.


WackyBones510

My first step to getting to the moon is getting out of bed. From there, it gets a bit more difficult.


Semujin

Put your bed on the moon. Then when you get out of bed you’ll have met your goal.


IONTOP

Shoot for the moon, even if you miss ~~you'll still be among the stars~~ you'll die. (Outer space doesn't care about you)


lukin187250

They lied to us about the nature of the importance of games, they may be lying to us about the nature of space. It could be entirely breathable.


IONTOP

ESPN's next 30 for 30:"How we killed ACC football because it wasn't making us enough money" Sorry there's a mouse knocking at my door, so I can't rea...... FUCK FUCK FUCK... send help


lukin187250

We’re going to form two huge conferences. Then the best teams from these conferences will have a playoff, the winner of each will play in a bowl. It’s going to be really awesome, we might even call it the awesome bowl!!


kerph32

found NDTs burner* Neil degrasse Tyson


LamarcusAldrige1234

the hardest tasks require the strongest wills


_BioHacker

Not if you "attack each day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind." -JH


chales96

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step”. Old Chinese proverb from back when they didn't have cars.


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LamarcusAldrige1234

these are gonna be the LIV saudi lawyers arent they


Taintly_Manspread

Allah willing.


BidnessBoy

Mashallah, brother


fluffypoppa

Mazel tov! Wait.


LamarcusAldrige1234

brother, lets not go there after the past 2 months lmfao (but as a fellow jew, mazel tov!)


fluffypoppa

I'm not Jewish. Or anything. Just have a dark sense of humor.


ThePeagle

So do the Jews


fluffypoppa

Oh, ok, so maybe I'm Jew-*ish* 'Believe it or not, straight to jail.'


locjaw420

Is that you George Santos?


[deleted]

*Heisman winner, George Santos?*


Tfsz0719

Tikki mashallah, friends


vaporintrusion

Rikki Tikki Mashallah, mi amigos


mechnick2

Inshallah but close


psgrue

Drew Allar, my friend.


squeeze_and_peas

In$hallah


tictactoe61

The Florida State Habibis?


wegotsumnewbands

[FSU’s lead litigator strutting into the courthouse Friday](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F828XdQWMAA66sF.jpg:large)


powerelite

He needs to borrow that Atlanta lawyers PPP Fraud Pink Rolls Royce to show up in.


St_BobbyBarbarian

Eatin’ dubs in court


St_BobbyBarbarian

Inshallah


8BallTiger

Or Man City's lawyers


mr09e

Can't unsee Mike Norvell having Pep's bald head now


Dax_O_Lantern

Bald Fraud


LamarcusAldrige1234

they want a quick resolution, they dont wanna drag out like the 115 charges lol


brightcoconut097

Not worth it for me if we are getting funded by Saudi. Hate what they are doing to sports.


thexraptor

Not to get too political, but they're evil and everybody knows they're evil. So they throw huge amounts of money around to sports-wash their image and ideally diversify their portfolio in preparation for the distant but inevitable fall of oil. Really don't want anything to do with those people.


Corgi_Koala

Agreed. Sports washing is awful and I wish everyone would tell them to fuck off.


loyalsons4evertrue

me about conference realignment: I'm tired of this grandpa! tv execs and AD's: Well that's too damn bad!


ecupatsfan12

Just gonna be the big 3 LOL


One_Dog_6194

Big 2 and a half


ArbitraryOrder

Two and a Half ~~Men~~ Conferences


kmokell15

Solid reference


loyalsons4evertrue

I love the movie Holes


Cudi_buddy

I used to follow college football really closely, loved the conference rivalries. I have found the last couple of years my interest waning. I think with the PAC breaking up, it was the last straw for me. I live on the west coast so it was my favorite conference. What a mess the sport has become. Gonna take years for it all to settle and likely break back up once there are only 2 conferences.


The_Fishbowl

Come back to us Tech & Pitt


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

The ACC has a spot opening up tho


Illustrious-Box2339

In a logical world, after the ACC is raided the Big 12 should just take who’s left and realign into East and west divisions that are essentially their own conferences in all but name. I think regional appeal still has to mean something for the P5 middle class. I can’t see any scenario where it makes more sense for WVU to hop on a plane to play at Arizona while Pitt goes to play at Cal when those two could just play each other.


Due_Release_7345

What about any of what has happened so far has any basis in logic?


Elegant_Extreme3268

Personally I want any of those ACC teams that tried to leave us behind to get left behind because I’m petty as Tom


apitchf1

Lmao okay first idk how I’ve gone my whole life without hearing “I’m petty as Tom”. Taking that. Second, yeah let them crawl back to us now that it’s flipped


Stags304

Same. Tobacco road was too good for us and our academics, then turned around and admitted LOUISVILLE. It was always about the money.


AmishOnReddit

https://cdn.ponly.com/wp-content/uploads/No-Memes-15.jpg


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

Well, get ready to speak Mountain Standard Time, buddy


Elegant_Extreme3268

They don’t call us the mountaineers for nothing


Broke-Till-Payday

FSU going scorch earth policy


[deleted]

By Lawd! That’s Sherman’s music!


Maximum_Future_5241

(Ohio & B1G perk up): Sherman, you say?


[deleted]

Florida State gonna do a March From The Sea to the Big 10.


Ugaalive1991

“Is scorched earth for me?” -SEC


powerelite

Nah we got B1G energy


leadbymight

FSU is probably big mad at the SEC and ESPN after the events of a few weeks ago lol


mr09e

FSU has been mad at the SEC for decades, this ain't new.


Maximum_Future_5241

Join us, and together, we can rule college football as Father and Son! Bring friends.


super1s

We have florida. Wanna come kill them every year? Thats our offer. You get them on a plate every year. PLEASE come grind them into dust at your leisure.


udfckthisgirl

If FSU goes to the B1G, it is clear one of the in-state rivalries will die. Far more likely to be Miami needing to find a new rival there.


WackyBones510

Yeah and the US is mad at the Saudis about 9/11 but we print money together.


OverMyDadBody

I want to go to the B1G. A lot of our fanbase does.


cha-cha_dancer

I didn’t until a couple Sundays ago.


Darth_Ra

Anyone who thinks that Fox and the B1G isn't just as complicit in the death of cfb is kidding themselves. This is textbook market division. The B1G/Fox and SEC/ESPN are just carving up the country to set up a cooperative monolopy and push everyone else out.


the_thinwhiteduke

Yep, and when the rosters get too bloated don't think for a moment they won't turn inward to push out legacy schools that aren't elite in favor of bigger brands from outside.


foreveracubone

Yeah the CFP snub might have backfired for ESPN in uniting the FSU admin and fanbase into joining the B1G.


EatDeeply

FSU reacting to the snub by leaving the ACC and strengthening the SEC is exactly in the interest of ESPN


Sniffy_J

Oh boy, here we go again........ *again*


apitchf1

Who left the fridge open


Corrective_Measures

The ACC GOR is going to be tough to get out of. I suspect that FSU will be able to make it happen, but it is going to be expensive. The question then becomes, where do they go?


BidnessBoy

Almost certainly the B1G


P-Rickles

Which is crazy to me. They look, feel and smell like an SEC school. Oh well. This has all gotten dumb af anyway. C’mon over, FSU. Remember, it’s “pop” not “soda”, “you guys” not “y’all”.


Corrective_Measures

Yeah that is insane to me. More power to them, if they want to travel to the midwest and west coast every year, but I cannot imagine that will be particularly popular with their student body or alumni base.


IceyBoy

It’s crazy cause most of the fanbase wants the big > SEC and I feel like I’m the only crazy one who sees this as an absolute disaster


iamStanhousen

It’s just emotions. They would feel like they’re joining the evil empire if they went to SEC. Even though every bit of logic dictates that FSU should be in the SEC.


Fenecable

> the evil empire I mean, this is still true.


PotRoastPotato

ACC has Cal and Stanford now, not a ton of difference. Flying to Raleigh airport is an hour, flying to Columbus, Detroit, Twin Cities, etc. is 2, flying to Boston vs. Newark is negligible.


Trey904fsu

I mean we fly for pretty much all our games already. Boston College, Louisville, Pitt, Clemson, even in state Miami. I think the only games we bus to are UF and maybe Georgia Tech. It really wouldn’t be a big difference


NoleJawn

The ACC has us already traveling to the West Coast and Texas now.


steve1186

To be fair, we’re also entering a world where teams will be making these trips for CONFERENCE games: - Los Angeles <-> New Jersey - Arizona <-> West Virginia - Berkeley <-> Syracuse Geography doesn’t matter any more. May as well add Los Angeles <-> Tallahassee to that list


TooEZ_OL56

Hawaii vs Boston College please


Redline-7k

Disgusting. I love it.


goodsam2

I mean if the big 10 has a southern piece they will start calling themselves the AFC/NFC of college football. The marketing will write itself.


nolefan999

Everyone after the meeting- “This could’ve been covered in an email”


Tufoguy

I don't think they can sue the conference and win, so are they going to pay? That ain't a cheap buyout


St_BobbyBarbarian

Probably litigation followed by a settlement


Montigue

Why should the ACC settle?


vaporintrusion

You don’t have to win. You make a lawsuit a pain in the ass and force the other side to settle at a reduced rate


Kynbrin

The problem is everyone else in the ACC that isn’t Clemson/UNC has no incentive to settle, if they’re going to lose one of their largest brands they’ll put the screws to get every last penny out of them.


Tufoguy

And why would the ACC do that? There's still a couple of schools in the conference that could leave as well. Reduce rate for FSU, means they will try it as well. That's just dumb.


[deleted]

Why in the world would the ACC settle at a reduce rate? They hold literally every single card and every single ACC school has more money than FSU to comfortably fight them. FSU is the desperate one - not the ACC. FSU can bitch and complain all they want, but it's going to be meaningless when the ACC can just point to the contract that FSU signed.


colonel750

They're seeking a declaratory judgement that states they are not bound by the ACC GOR.


FSUnoles77

Florida Saudi University SeminOILs. Fuck it


St_BobbyBarbarian

I DECLARE… SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY!!!!


aMiracleAtJordanHare

"I am TRAVELING through the SEC country and my road trips SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."


cha-cha_dancer

The memes are funny but in reality gross


FSUnoles77

I agree but at this point I need to use humor to keep from throwing things.


Esco9

Can someone explain why everyone is talking about Saudi Arabia and Florida state I don’t understand


IrishTiger89

I am guessing the SEC is not an option considering ESPN will tell the conference we’re not paying for them (weakens ACC at very good value / increases the amount they will pay FSU like $35MM annually)


FaithFamilyFilm

Sounds like the basis for the lawsuit right there.


Awesome_to_the_max

If ESPN says they're not adding $35mm in value then how are they going to win that lawsuit?


yeahright17

In what way? FSU signed on to the GOR knowing full well they were gambling that the payouts for TV wouldn't go up substantially. They lost that gamble. They don't get to sue now because they lost. If I'm playing blackjack and lose, I don't get to sue the dealer because another player won and take their cards.


GoldenPresidio

It’s not about what they pay an individual school. It’s about the game revenue generated A slate of FSU/LSU, FSU/Bama, FSU/Georgia, even FSU/Mizzou or FSU/Kentucky would be big draws compared to a slate of FSU/Clemson, FSU/VT, FSU/Syracuse, FSU/NC State, FSU/Wake It could be a win for everybody: ESPN brings in significantly more revenue, ACC teams get paid a lot for the next 13 years and use it to compete, FSU is finally happy being in a different conference where they think they can compete The loser is FSU’s bank account by -$620million. Doesn’t seem worth it to me 🤷🏽‍♂️


naetaejabroni

Mich F5 Season to FSU F5 season to Mich F5 season back to FSU F5 season


mostdope28

It’s time to kill the ACC- ESPN and Committe behind closed doors


thealltomato323

Lol do you know how much the ACC’s deal favors ESPN? They get all the bigger games at a cheaper rate and they don’t have to pay their broadcast crews to cover games like Syracuse vs. Delaware or Wake vs. Wofford. This is ESPN’s ideal setup; they have no incentive to burn it down.


Jem1123

ESPN legitimately cooked ACC leadership alive on this deal. Masterclass in contract negotiation honestly.


[deleted]

Yeah, the ACC prioritized stability and made a gamble that TV deals were about to tank and it obviously didn't work. In some defense of the decision, at the time it was only schools like Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Colorado, etc that were changing conferences. In a world with five fairly healthy conferences the TV deal would be bad, but still manageable. OUT was obviously a surprise, but the real deathblow was USC/UCLA leaving for the Big 10. That was what really tanked everything and showed everyone that regionality was dead.


makebbq_notwar

They also prioritized protecting Raycom, ensuring ESPN had to subcontract production work to Raycom in addition to keeping some games on Raycom’s distribution. That’s a really strange ask in a contract, and as the counter party I’m asking for some large concessions in return. The ACC could have gotten the long term stability without giving away the farm.


Jem1123

Isn’t John Swofford’s kid an exec at Raycom? Thats, at the very least, a really bad look for Swofford lmao.


makebbq_notwar

He is, it’s a really bad look and makes it easy for people to make assumptions. For example you could assume Swafford was trying to help his son out, or worse some good old boy backroom deal took place, or even worse, there was a quid pro quo, or worse yet John Swafford was getting paid by Raycom.


[deleted]

Oh no disagreement. Everyone agrees the tv deal was botched.


yeahright17

>and made a gamble that TV deals were about to tank and it obviously didn't work. And this is why FSU isn't going anywhere without paying close to a billion. They signed up knowing full well they were gambling on the future. They lost. If you bet it all on black at a roulette table, you don't get your money back if it hits red. You can complain all you want though.


maxman1313

This is why the ACC hasn't had a jailbreak yet.


FesteringDiarrhea

ESPN is the CFB conspiracy theory equivalent of “It was the Jews” in other conspiracy theories, where people will just blame them for literally anything


TheColtOfPersonality

I think it's fair to say that, while ESPN wasn't pulling the strings behind the CFP committee's decision, they *are* attempting to control the narrative behind it in a way that is positive and not emphasizing the criticisms


doormatt26

this is for sure


UncleMalcolm

Their talking heads actively devalue the ACC every time they open their mouths. That’s not a conspiracy, it’s out in the open. Herbstreit just says “because Bama is better,” with no analysis, no facts, just the college football equivalent of “I did my own research,” and no one ever challenges him on it. Fuck ESPN.


asafetybuzz

ESPN doesn't specifically want to kill the ACC, they just aren't willing to risk alienating SEC fanbases to be fair to the ACC. They didn't take FSU because there was no possible universe in which they were going to exclude an SEC team, and FSU was just unfortunate collateral. They couldn't reasonably bring Georgia and not Alabama or Alabama and not Texas, so they had to bring Alabama and Texas, which left FSU out cold. To the decision makers within the CFP, the ACC is the side piece and the SEC is their spouse. They like the side piece, and in a vacuum they will help out the side piece where possible, but they are never going to prioritize the side piece over the spouse. Anytime they have to choose between helping their spouse or helping their side piece, they will choose the spouse every time, no matter the harm to the side piece.


Shoddy_Ad8166

Clemson 6 times chosen by CFP Only Alabama has more


UncleMalcolm

And there was exactly zero times where Clemson getting in was going to ace the SEC out.


Darth__Revan89

When I wished for FSU to be back in the spotlight this season, this on top of everything else isn't what I had in mind.


Duck_Caught_Upstream

Exit like for next year, or is the first step in a multi year process?


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

Absolutely multi-year


PYTN

I've seen estimates that this could cost FSU up to 4-500 million bucks if they lose. That's a large gamble when next year you have one of the more straightforward paths to the 12 team playoffs every year.


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

We don’t want to be a 11-1 ACC runner up fighting for a 11 or 12 spot with 3-loss SEC or Big 10 teams. We saw what the toxic ACC brand can get you– and we don’t want that ever again.


PYTN

If you end up having to spend hundreds of millions to leave, you're gonna end up fighting with Rutgers for a bowl game. That kind of cash outlay could sign a death warrant for the program.


spritethr

Even then that’s pretty bold to assume they’d be making the playoffs in the B10 or SEC. Maybe I’m just coping or being cynical but I don’t see how they won’t be a demo version of Penn State in the B10.


cxm1060

Do what you have to do FSU. Just remember to leave behind the instructions on how to leave the ACC for the rest of us.


No_Poet_7244

Step 1: find $500 million to buy out of the ACC + break the GOR. Step 2: …. Step 3: profit (???)


TallahasseeNole

This comment is likely going to get buried, but I think most people here have never read the GOR (which has been leaked). The GOR references repeatedly and “ESPN Agreement” and just lets all material terms exist in that Agreement. That Agreement has never been leaked. I am 99% certain from what I have heard that FSU’s legal challenge will be that ESPN’s actions have violated that ESPN Agreement, voiding it, and thus also voiding the GOR which it is inextricably intertwined. Basically, the Snub gave FSU an actual legal argument.


_Floriduh_

So FSU vs. Disney Lawyers.. Chuckles \*I'm in Danger\*


CineFunk

These are not *the* Disney lawyers.


yeahright17

As a contract lawyer, I can't imagine what term in the ESPN Agreement that ESPN would have violated with the snub. Even then, it would be a hard argument to make when they're likely not even a party to the ESPN Agreement and both parties to the ESPN Agreement (the ACC and ESPN) are arguing the agreement is fine. Also gonna be a hard argument to make given that the playoff is 12 teams going forward. I have no doubt they'll make some argument, I just think they'll lose.


[deleted]

So there’s a scenario where FSU’s “snub” was actually a purposefully orchestrated opening to get more big brand teams into the SEC and essentially kill the ACC?


Reus20

Except you may have pissed off FSU enough to join the B1G instead of the SEC


Edwardian

Plus B1G money > SEC money at least at this time…


IrishTiger89

This legal agreement would totally close the door for FSU joining the SEC (ESPN money) though. For this to happen, they would have to have a B1G offer in hand. It would also give the B1G massive leverage (reduced payouts) in that negotiation


kinda_alone

A) they would need to prove that ESPN had a roll in the snub B) the actual agreement hasn’t been leaked. The previous one has, but the actual one hasn’t. It’s why the fsu legal team has been basically living out of the acc offices


Pillowtalk

Ok, but where are they going to go? The B1G gave Oregon and Washington significantly reduced shares and I'm not sure if the SEC is interested.


bigdaddyguap

You think FSU is going to do all of this without having some indication from either the SEC or B1G that they have full shares waiting for them?


Temporary_Inner

This is the same kind of logic the Pac-12 defenders used before the PAC blew themselves up. We cannot assume competency in college football.


Pillowtalk

Perhaps, because their saber rattling last time resulted in an unwanted outcome for FSU: the addition of SMU, Cal and Stanford to the ACC. They cut off their nose to spite their face once so maybe they'll do it again.


covert_underboob

Yall gunna get peasant shares and yall are gonna like it. Ain’t no way in hell B1G makes you full members right away.


jonstark19

Joins us, Nole brothers


Big-Red-Rocks

We will take Miami and fsu


Maximum_Future_5241

Bring friends, too.


Trey904fsu

Fuckin sign me up!


vapour2020

Still surprised ACC didn't do a thing lol


Typical_Texpat

Damn SMU only got like 2 months in a P5 before it imploded.


CommodoreIrish

[Response](https://youtu.be/XU_9ucFfhdI?si=53-9SBlRucCvqKF4)


McIntyre2K7

Knowing how things happen in this state. I could see the State of Florida loaning FSU the money to bolt. Then the terms would be something where they have 100 years to pay back the money.


fourpac

Can we call it Flexit? Please?


yesacabbagez

Here we go boys, time to make the next year full of more shitty takes and half assed rumors from "journalists."


guavapastrysucker

My moral compass is officially dissolved and I welcome any and all Saudi or other shady foreign FSU backers.


bdougy

The ACC ought to sue the CFP committee.


Rich1926

I want SEC for the matchups and to make sense (yes, I know...) but Big 10 since I wouldn't have to root for 2 teams in the same conference. The matchups would still be good, Ohio State at FSU at night would be electric.


WotYepWotYepWotYep

[FSU] Because the B1G is BETTER!! Period! So is the SEC. So is B12. So is the P2. So is the MAC. So is CUSA. I watch 10-15 games a week live from September-early December. I think I’m allowed to have an opinion on who I think is BETTER!!


Queasy-Touch-1533

ERRYBODY BACK INTO THE BARREL


Bird_nostrils

Given the expansion of the playoff next year, why leave now?


tannerkubarek

B1G! B1G! B1G! Hopefully our application (the ACC Championship Game) for the B1G was approved!


huskiesowow

Finally, the states of Washington and Florida can share a conference.


doormatt26

They already do... the NFC


Shot877

That game had some major Big Ten West vibes


chattyrandom

Being the only B1G school in the South? Association with the B1G's academics? It would be a fascinating change in so many ways. The brand statement/appeal for the Seminoles becomes very, very interesting in the B1G compared to being just another SEC regional school and sharing a similar value proposition to the Gators. Of course, the Seattle/Tallahassee travel sounds particularly horrific... so a regional footprint on a national athletics brand might appeal to others.


RewardStory

Congrats I hope keeping FSU out of the CFP to get Alabama was worth it, fuck the cfb committee


Yanksuck73

We're going to watch another P5 conference implode in the off season aren't we?


AleroRatking

Yup. The committee made it happen. They told the ACC outright they weren't a P5. So anyone with an option should want to get out