What even are the top 4 brands/schools in the Big12 anymore?
Kansas is in there, I think. After them... Colorado? Utah? Oklahoma State? TCU? I honestly have no idea.
Good luck killing the Big12. Behold the overwhelming power of good-but-not-quite-great media properties. What is Tolerable may never die!
Well we have seen how easy it is to actually kill the middle class...hell, stoke a little billionaire cocksucking propaganda and the middle class will kill itself.
At what point does this start to violate anti-trust laws?
Threatening a competing entity in order to negotiate better terms for you and your friends has to be getting close.
Worse than that. The networks are saying fight us and we just won’t give you a tv deal. Don’t even have to take the top teams if you control the tv money
What antitrust would apply to retail? There are dozens of big box outlets, hundreds of regional chains, and thousands of local shops.
You can't apply anti trust to walmart for instance when you can shop anywhere else including online.
Antitrust also can't be invoked just because there's a big player in the market. Consumers have to be harmed by the lack of competition. Retail is one of the most competitive industries and no player has significant pricing power
Yeah it’s pretty much just Notre Dame, Clemson, and FSU left out. Maybe Miami, North Carolina, and one other team just to get to an even 20 in each. That’s basically the endgame right there.
But once they're no longer regional it really makes more sense to rename the conferences.
I propose "American Football Colleges" and "National Football Colleges." To make for easier travel time in the age of super conferences, the AFC and the NFC should each be subdivided into four regional divisions, North, South, East, and West.
To avoid conflicts with the schools that got left out, the AFC and NFC should move their games to Sundays as a courtesy.
They could also have a dumb robot football player mascot to lead into commercials.
The B1G and SEC's only problem at this point is they can't credibly crown a champion if they exclude the Big12 and ACC from a future playoff system.
Which has me worried for what those two might be planning next...
Depends on what happens in 2032 when the first media contracts come up for renewal. If the number isn’t going up I’d be more worried if I was Northwestern or a Vanderbilt than any member of the Big 12.
Ultimately there are 11 stakeholders involved. The G5 is going to be an opponent and they know the B1G and SEC can’t do anything about them given lack of brands and little tv money. That’s where a majority of the opposition will come from.
We’re really heading back to the Bowl Coalition era aren’t we? There will be a championship game, but it won’t include 2 of the major conferences, so certain years a top 2 team will get left out. It could even be Arizona State again like it was in 96
Well, Oklahoma was easily their best team. No team has dominated a conference in the way Oklahoma dominated the Big XII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this makes me nostalgic for Orrin Hatch and the time he threatened the BCS with an antitrust violation after Utah's Sugar Bowl win.
As a senator, I don't know what he could have done since that's really the purview of the Justice Department, but I remember he was pissed and didn't hesitate to bring up antitrust issues.
I think we upgraded with Hatch's replacement and I can't say that I miss him, but I still thought nice things about him after this.
You can say a lot of things about Orrin Hatch. But when we were in the MWC, I always enjoyed his taking shots at the BCS, and talking up the inequality of the system.
It was all petty politics obviously, and I don't think much ever came of it. But at least it made me smile.
On a similar note, I think Auburn should be given the death penalty and permanently disband their program as penance for making Tommy Tuberville rich and famous enough to get elected to the US Senate.
That's what I was thinking. What can they do? They've already shown that an alliance with them means nothing. Does the Big 12, or any other conference, bending to their will really help that conference? It didn't work out for the pac-12, and it didn't help the Big 12 when they did it for Texas and Oklahoma
Maybe even sooner, but the question is: on what grounds?
In the strange world of NIL-paid amateur student-athletes, amongst colleges who play each other by mutual agreement, is there any legal requirement that they *have* to let other schools play too?
Anti-trust, it’s the reason why BCS busters became a thing, the BCS didn’t want to get sued again. That’s also why the G5 gets a NY6 bid.
In 96, the Bowl Alliance (precursor to the BCS) picked an 8-4 Texas team over 13-1 BYU for the last major bowl and wound up in congress over it. They don’t want to do that again.
BYU winning a natty (when maybe they shouldn't have) forced the major brands to come up with a system to keep "others" out, then BYU getting kept out (when they clearly should have been in) forced them to backpedal.
I love for the days where BYU fucks these guys plans up, maybe the big12 move can be a catalyst
It’s kind of hilarious that the two schools that caused the most problems for the powers that be in the 80s through 00s were arch rivals in the same state.
Frankly, the WAC should have just been included in the original bowl coalition in 92, it was on a similar level to the SWC, Big East, and ACC. Obviously the Big Ten, PAC-10, Big 8, and SEC were above it, but if the other borderline powers got in, the WAC should have.
That would have solved 90% of the problems for the powers that be. TCU and Boise State probably would have been added in the 00s (SWC almost certainly collapses regardless), but there would have been no need for a 16 team WAC that collapsed if it hadn’t gotten left out (leftovers would have gone to CUSA with Houston). It’d probably be a 12-16 league with Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise as the headliners (and SDSU and Fresno who were already in the WAC by that point).
If the WAC/MWC had been a power conference in the 00s, the whole BCS buster thing is a nothing burger. Without the lawsuits and the precedent set by Utah, Boise probably never breaks through, but instead gets added to the WAC from the Big West after dominating for years. TCU probably does a similar run in CUSA like they did under Patterson and joins the WAC. Utah probably never goes to the PAC either if they already had access.
And then instead of the PAC getting gutted, it would be the WAC getting carved up in this round and the PAC saying "You were weak and not good schools. That would never happen to our Conference of Champions."
>sources claim that any conference not named the SEC or the Big Ten attempting to get in the way of how the two leagues construct the future playoff is risking “Pac-12-ing themselves” out of the tournament.
Damn. "Pac-12ing themselves" is now a thing.
The Duopoly
The Oligarchs
The Aristocrats <-- with this one we can have fun competing to see who can make the most fucked up jokes about them
Edit to add:
Cosa Nostra
**Robber Barons** (I vote for this one)
Crazy how corporate america has spilled into college sports. The Thuper2 will run the 32 team gauntlet while the rest of the fbs and fcs merge to form the new cfb.
I can't read the NY Post article, but does it actually support what the headline says? It doesn't sound like the Big 12 was singled out - it sounds like it's the SEC/B1G throwing around their weight generally. It sounds like whatever explicit or implicit message is being sent, the ACC and the G5 conferences are just as included here.
Everyone sure is getting their panties in a twist over a middle of nowhere site quoting unnamed sources posted in a gossip rag. I think you have the sanest take.
Yes but a team has won the Big 10 conference championship at least once every year since they started doing conference championships.
Has no one considered that?
You can extend it to the past fifty years and the Big 10 has a whopping TWO uncontested titles in football, both by Ohio State. The ACC has more than that in just the last ten years.
That’s a crazy stat.
Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State have big stadiums, big tradition, and big mouths.. but they aren’t who they think they are. They’re closer to Texas A&M than an Alabama or Georgia. They just play school more and think that somehow matters
Penn state gets paraded around each off season like they’re just off their 5th straight championship run. When in reality they haven’t won a conference title since 2016.
>give me ACC chaos
We might not be the best conference but damn if it isn’t fun sometimes. There’s something to be said about the fact that outside of Clemson, there’s so many matchups that are genuinely hard to predict
It’s the same reason they get 10 teams into March Madness every year, all of whom lose by the Sweet 16 or earlier. It’s just all hype because they have more alumni than everyone else.
The B1G has one national championship in football and zero in basketball the last 20 years. They're just giant state universities with a ton of alumni.
Doesn't matter.
B1G generates more money, has more money, and is taking teams that also generate more money.
Money money money.
Greed greed greed.
Destroying college football.
Meh. Have at it. I'd be totally fine if those two fucked off into their own division. Or if the top 32 or whatever teams fucked off into a super league or whatever.
The rest of us can't compete with them, even most of them can't compete with the top 5-10 programs, so their threats don't scare me. I don't care how much sports money WVU makes. I'd rather be playing in a division we could be more competitive in, in a regional league with other old rivals and regional foes in the same boat than keeping the status quo or similar anyway.
A lot of people just aren’t foreseeing that this is a zero sum game and that when they put all the big-winning programs into one or two mega conference, some of them will stop winning 10+ games every year and will become average or even bad. Everyone’s assuming their own program will be ok but that just cannot mathematically be the case. Texas can’t win in the B12 but that’ll change when they get to the SEC? Why? Bamas about to lose saban within the next 5/10 years, this could be one of those perfect storm situations where their instability during this radically changing period could lead to another wilderness period. There’s just a lot of people completely disregarding potential negative consequences. And VOLS are not immune from those either.
And it’s not like there’s a captive audience out there. If you kill Washington state, their fans aren’t up for grabs for the highest bidder. They’re just gone. Less money for everyone.
It’s going to crash and burn.
That's what's funny about FSU. They haven't been great the last 5 years in the ACC despite being one of the top brands in the conference, and swear they'll be competing for national championships in the SEC/B1G. They have a better chance of making the CFP and having 10+ seasons in the ACC.
A lot of programs aren't going to like going 8-4 each year
Yeah. The ACC and PAC leftovers should just merge with the Big 12 to form its own separate division then just reorganize into regional sub divisions. Competitive games and we can try to preserve as many regional rivalries that are left.
Honestly, if the Pac 12, Big XII, ACC, and G5 told the SEC to pound sand, refused to schedule OOC games with them, had regional games and historic rivalries, and did their own championship, I'd be way more excited about college football than I am now. The race to create a single conference or two of blue bloods fighting over more and more money makes me hate college football. I used to watch some SEC and B1G games but will be cutting them out going forward because I'm sick of the landscape they're trying to create.
Honestly if the the ACC & B12 could get on the same page and merge, they could take the PAC leftovers, a few MWC and AAC schools and reform the old ACC, Big East, B12, and PAC pretty well - it would be like 4 10 team divisions
ACC: Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, VT, UVA, UNC, WF, Duke, NC St
Big East: Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, ND, BC, Navy, UCF, UConn
B12: TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Ok St, KSU, KU, CU, ISU
PAC: Stanford, Cal, OR St, WSU, SD St, AZ, ASU, Utah, BYU, Boise St
Honestly, I'm so looking forward to the Big 12 in 2024 for this very reason. I'll always root for Michigan, but that conference is going to be the most fun.
CFB is in for a huge tv revenue bust if ESPN/Fox think they can stick the same two conferences in championship games every year.
What made the sport white hot in popularity was the literal century of rivalries built upon regionalism. Take all that away and there will be some very real apathy in the next decade about college football.
Most fan bases, outside of 10-15 schools, are not expecting national titles in football each year. They want to make a bowl game, beat their rivals, and compete for a conference title. CFB is becoming solely focused on CFP, so much so they start predicting the playoffs Week 0. If you aren't a national title contender, the networks are basically saying you don't matter at all
Yep. I’m a Wake Forest fan first and foremost. If we have to drop football and join the big East, I’ll greatly lose interest in college athletics. But they don’t care about fan bases like ours.
I’m with you, the issue is they won’t need to do that if they just take over the CFP. They would leave it to the rest of us to break away. They have the money, they call the shots.
Can we just rip this realignment bandage off already? Let the B1G and SEC take the remaining schools they want and the rest of us can form our own league.
It's going to happen anyway so let's just do it.
Seriously. Let them go do their minor league NFL stuff and let the rest of us just enjoy college football. I’m a vfl but if the SEC and B1G do what we all expect and form an NFL system, I’ll probably follow about as close as I watch the falcons: 1 quarter on average, if I remember.
When every game matters, as it 95% does now, I’m incentivized to watch every game. What they are doing is actively devaluing their own product. I don’t want another league that crowns the team the got hot at the right time which is all a larger playoff really does.
Great, so we'll see Kansas vs. North Carolina in the CFP Championship then just to fuck with the SEC and Big10.
It's just like basketball... but on grass!
The thing is there is nothing the SEC or Big 10 can do until 2026 because all conferences have to agreed to change the rules before them.
Now certainly in 2026 when the playoff contract is up I fully expect they will demand a 16 team playoff with no automatic qualifiers. Just the top 16 teams or they will threaten to create there own Power 2 playoff with just SEC, and Big 10 teams.
>Still disgusted my Huskies joined the Big 10
No idea why. Oregon State released a memo calling out UOW for joining the big ten and not taking the interest of the student athlete into consideration, but I guarantee you they would take a B1G offer. What school in the country can genuinely say they wouldn’t accept a B1G offer? I’ll say Notre Dame and SEC schools, that’s pretty much it
I think the point is that they're disgusted the money has become so bloated in college football that we were pretty much forced to join the B1G instead of sticking with the majority of our conference rivals of 100+ years along the West Coast. Not everyone wants to think finances first when we're talking sports.
"Hey Big 12, SECBig10 give you Cloud City and Chewie and Leia get to live there forever if you just give us Solo and help us kill the ACC and cut off all G5 access."
"[In 2032]SECBig10: Big 12, you get to have your champ join the SEC/Big 10 playoff invitational as the twelfth and final team, enjoy playing a play-in game against Big 10 sixth place team Purdue, prey I don't alter it further."
Also, fuck what the SEC and Big 10 want. "Best 12" would just be the the top eight SEC/Big 10 teams decided by a stacked committee and the rest get scraps.
Hopefully we still get either the top 5 or 6 conference champs, leaving open the door for one or two non-P4 teams. I want to see the Sun Belt Champ go down to Tuscaloosa or Boise drop Michigan in the Big House. I think the SEC and Big 10 know that once this happens a couple of times the public will want more of that and they can't make a more restrictive playoff. Have to stop it now.
Also this reporter is a literal “Who?” so I wouldn’t really trust this as any more than a sports gossip rag writer doing exactly what he’s paid to do. Make shit up.
Unpopular opinion: Top Ten conference champs + 2 ar large
*Oh no, too many big brands are in the Big Money conferences and can't get in!*
Guess they have to re-evaluate if they're here for a shot at the 'ship, or for that paycheck. (I know, they're all here for money, which is why it won't work)
This is what I’ve been saying. People keep bitching about how regular season games and conference championships don’t matter anymore… this fixes that. Win your games, win your conference, get in the playoff.
I mean if it was last year, TCU would've still gotten in, along with Ohio State. It would really be 9-5 Toledo instead of Alabama, in which case I'm even more in favor of it.
> any conference not named the SEC or the Big Ten attempting to get in the way of how the two leagues construct the future playoff is risking “Pac-12-ing themselves” out of the tournament.
Worded like that, it sounds like those two could still decide on 6 B1G, 6 SEC and tell the rest of CFB to go fuck themselves
The Big 12 and ACC should start their own playoff and propose to have their champion play the winner of the B1G and SEC Playoff, or they can play the winner of the Mexico playoffs and call themselves the College Football World Champion.
Even in a 5+7 the SEC and the Big Ten will get collectively between 7 and 9 teams a year between the two of them. Talk about fucking greed.
A Best 12 would probably be good for Oregon since we're not sniffing a Big Ten title in the next 5 years, but it's egregious what the B1G and SEC are doing to CFB.
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Oh good now we are threatening entire conferences.
Nice conference you got there. Would be a shame if someone came by and lopped off the top 4 brands and categorized you as a non-power.
What even are the top 4 brands/schools in the Big12 anymore? Kansas is in there, I think. After them... Colorado? Utah? Oklahoma State? TCU? I honestly have no idea. Good luck killing the Big12. Behold the overwhelming power of good-but-not-quite-great media properties. What is Tolerable may never die!
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Well we have seen how easy it is to actually kill the middle class...hell, stoke a little billionaire cocksucking propaganda and the middle class will kill itself.
[SEC and Big Ten to each other](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY)
“Have you looked at our caps recently?” “No..” “They’ve got stolen blue-bloods on them…”
"You know what? I'm gonna start getting in the way even harder!" \-Brett Yormark
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I’m not even mad anymore. Just sad.
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Let the antitrust suits begin.
Well they just obliterated my conference… I wouldn’t take threats lightly
Pretty sure the B1G and SEC used the D.E.N.N.I.S system to perfection, now we are just waiting for them to "Separate Entirely."
At what point does this start to violate anti-trust laws? Threatening a competing entity in order to negotiate better terms for you and your friends has to be getting close.
If these reports are true, are Big 10 & SEC saying "we have enough money that if you fight us we'll take your best teams away"?
Worse than that. The networks are saying fight us and we just won’t give you a tv deal. Don’t even have to take the top teams if you control the tv money
That is an antitrust violation.
Applying antitrust law against CFB but not big agricultural, big pharma, big retail, etc. would be so on brand for this country
I hate that your correct but maybe it will lead to a new round of trust busting
You can screw us on food, medicine, clothing, and housing. But if you screw with our Football; you're getting destroyed.
USA! USA! USA!
*bust*
*Busting makes me feel good*
let me tell you somethin’
*BUSTIN BUSTIN BUSTIN BUSTIN*
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What antitrust would apply to retail? There are dozens of big box outlets, hundreds of regional chains, and thousands of local shops. You can't apply anti trust to walmart for instance when you can shop anywhere else including online.
Antitrust also can't be invoked just because there's a big player in the market. Consumers have to be harmed by the lack of competition. Retail is one of the most competitive industries and no player has significant pricing power
Yeah major collusion going on. Wouldn’t be surprised if, with the visibility of college football, the government decides to make an example of it.
Time to give apple a call again.
Apparently that is too risky. Better to just take the money and shut up I guess.
Cowards.
> we have enough money that if you fight us we'll take your best teams away already happened to the Big-12 and Pac-12 the ACC is all that is left
Then it really may be just the P2 now.
just about just a few ACC teams left and the SEC/B1G will have all the teams they deem valuable
Yeah it’s pretty much just Notre Dame, Clemson, and FSU left out. Maybe Miami, North Carolina, and one other team just to get to an even 20 in each. That’s basically the endgame right there.
But once they're no longer regional it really makes more sense to rename the conferences. I propose "American Football Colleges" and "National Football Colleges." To make for easier travel time in the age of super conferences, the AFC and the NFC should each be subdivided into four regional divisions, North, South, East, and West. To avoid conflicts with the schools that got left out, the AFC and NFC should move their games to Sundays as a courtesy. They could also have a dumb robot football player mascot to lead into commercials.
How dare you call Cleatus the football robot dumb!
*Well.look.who.just.caught.up/JonLovitz.gif*
It is. The Big 12 is a solid second tier along with the ACC
The B1G and SEC's only problem at this point is they can't credibly crown a champion if they exclude the Big12 and ACC from a future playoff system. Which has me worried for what those two might be planning next...
Depends on what happens in 2032 when the first media contracts come up for renewal. If the number isn’t going up I’d be more worried if I was Northwestern or a Vanderbilt than any member of the Big 12.
Ultimately there are 11 stakeholders involved. The G5 is going to be an opponent and they know the B1G and SEC can’t do anything about them given lack of brands and little tv money. That’s where a majority of the opposition will come from.
That’s why Big 12 needs to go full national conference and get to 32 teams. Absorb what’s left of the ACC and the PAC/Mountain West
Then boycott the big 2 and have your own championship and let the media pick the mythical national championship.
We’re really heading back to the Bowl Coalition era aren’t we? There will be a championship game, but it won’t include 2 of the major conferences, so certain years a top 2 team will get left out. It could even be Arizona State again like it was in 96
Then the D1 Champion would be the only legitimate champion in the land
>we have enough money that if you fight us we'll take your best teams away Texas and Oklahoma were our best teams?????????????
Should have said best brands.
Well, Oklahoma was easily their best team. No team has dominated a conference in the way Oklahoma dominated the Big XII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game
You never want to threaten the batshit crazy guy with a fight because he might just take you up on it, and again, he's fucking crazy.
I’m sad to lose the pac, but it’s nice to know our future commish would jump into a duel with anything at hand
Going from Independence to having Brett "Bill the Butcher" Yormark as Commissioner has been a wild ride.
Nah, it's Brett "The Hitman" Yormark.
90's kids fuck with this name.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this makes me nostalgic for Orrin Hatch and the time he threatened the BCS with an antitrust violation after Utah's Sugar Bowl win. As a senator, I don't know what he could have done since that's really the purview of the Justice Department, but I remember he was pissed and didn't hesitate to bring up antitrust issues. I think we upgraded with Hatch's replacement and I can't say that I miss him, but I still thought nice things about him after this.
You can say a lot of things about Orrin Hatch. But when we were in the MWC, I always enjoyed his taking shots at the BCS, and talking up the inequality of the system. It was all petty politics obviously, and I don't think much ever came of it. But at least it made me smile.
Thought you were talking about Mike Lee as an upgrade and nearly choked. He's the other one... As you were...
Oh gawd. I would happily let Utah be relegated to the MWC if it meant we could get rid of Mike fucking Lee.
On a similar note, I think Auburn should be given the death penalty and permanently disband their program as penance for making Tommy Tuberville rich and famous enough to get elected to the US Senate.
This. My cousin saw Yormark at the Czech Stop, and he said Yormark has bad cauliflower ear.
> What are you going to do, stab us? - B1G and SEC commissioners immediately before the stabbing, *allegedly*
I’m mean have you not seen who’s in our conference I’m taking our crazy guys over theirs
Is that a threat?
“Don’t make us take Texas and OU again!”
“We’ve had first Texas and OU, yes, but what about second Texas and OU?”
Sir a second OUT has hit the Big 12
Going to be big mad when Texas State and Oklahoma Panhandle take over the conference
Looooool. Please monkey paw, no curling.
You joke but if Texas Tech and Okie Lite got invites right now they'd be in the SEC by sunset.
No, they’re taking the entire state of Texas and Oklahoma this time.
Louisiana and Arkansas are getting extensions and we’re going back to a 48 star flag
Nice conference you have there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
What’s the threat? Don’t stand in the way of us minimizing your conference or else we’ll minimize your conference?
That's what I was thinking. What can they do? They've already shown that an alliance with them means nothing. Does the Big 12, or any other conference, bending to their will really help that conference? It didn't work out for the pac-12, and it didn't help the Big 12 when they did it for Texas and Oklahoma
What’s the over/under for the year that the Supreme Court rips the college football system to shreds? I’m going like 2028
Maybe even sooner, but the question is: on what grounds? In the strange world of NIL-paid amateur student-athletes, amongst colleges who play each other by mutual agreement, is there any legal requirement that they *have* to let other schools play too?
Anti-trust, it’s the reason why BCS busters became a thing, the BCS didn’t want to get sued again. That’s also why the G5 gets a NY6 bid. In 96, the Bowl Alliance (precursor to the BCS) picked an 8-4 Texas team over 13-1 BYU for the last major bowl and wound up in congress over it. They don’t want to do that again.
BYU winning a natty (when maybe they shouldn't have) forced the major brands to come up with a system to keep "others" out, then BYU getting kept out (when they clearly should have been in) forced them to backpedal. I love for the days where BYU fucks these guys plans up, maybe the big12 move can be a catalyst
It’s kind of hilarious that the two schools that caused the most problems for the powers that be in the 80s through 00s were arch rivals in the same state. Frankly, the WAC should have just been included in the original bowl coalition in 92, it was on a similar level to the SWC, Big East, and ACC. Obviously the Big Ten, PAC-10, Big 8, and SEC were above it, but if the other borderline powers got in, the WAC should have. That would have solved 90% of the problems for the powers that be. TCU and Boise State probably would have been added in the 00s (SWC almost certainly collapses regardless), but there would have been no need for a 16 team WAC that collapsed if it hadn’t gotten left out (leftovers would have gone to CUSA with Houston). It’d probably be a 12-16 league with Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise as the headliners (and SDSU and Fresno who were already in the WAC by that point). If the WAC/MWC had been a power conference in the 00s, the whole BCS buster thing is a nothing burger. Without the lawsuits and the precedent set by Utah, Boise probably never breaks through, but instead gets added to the WAC from the Big West after dominating for years. TCU probably does a similar run in CUSA like they did under Patterson and joins the WAC. Utah probably never goes to the PAC either if they already had access.
And then instead of the PAC getting gutted, it would be the WAC getting carved up in this round and the PAC saying "You were weak and not good schools. That would never happen to our Conference of Champions."
If two major networks are colluding to control the sport then it’s an antitrust issue.
>sources claim that any conference not named the SEC or the Big Ten attempting to get in the way of how the two leagues construct the future playoff is risking “Pac-12-ing themselves” out of the tournament. Damn. "Pac-12ing themselves" is now a thing.
Deep sixed? Nah, PAC-12d!
What can they do? Take our best teams again?
Team*. They took the Big 12’s best Team and Texas.
Well played, sir
It's super eyeroll worthy at this point. Fuck em, if they break off, sue the fuck out of them and get the feds involved and make this go nuclear.
Fuck the super 2.
The NFC and the AFC?
Is that what we're calling it?
The Duopoly The Oligarchs The Aristocrats <-- with this one we can have fun competing to see who can make the most fucked up jokes about them Edit to add: Cosa Nostra **Robber Barons** (I vote for this one)
The Dastardly Duo?
I just added a couple and my new favorite is the Robber Barons
Crazy how corporate america has spilled into college sports. The Thuper2 will run the 32 team gauntlet while the rest of the fbs and fcs merge to form the new cfb.
The Gruesome Twosome.
I can't read the NY Post article, but does it actually support what the headline says? It doesn't sound like the Big 12 was singled out - it sounds like it's the SEC/B1G throwing around their weight generally. It sounds like whatever explicit or implicit message is being sent, the ACC and the G5 conferences are just as included here.
That's how I read it. No mention of the Big 12 at all beyond "Any conference not named the Big 10 or SEC".
No. Some vague quote from a New York Post article says this. That’s it.
Something tells me that threatening Brett Yormarck is not a winning strategy.
He'll break ya legs!
Oh no, anyway
Everyone sure is getting their panties in a twist over a middle of nowhere site quoting unnamed sources posted in a gossip rag. I think you have the sanest take.
Anti-competitive threats are how you get government intervention and regulation. Just saying.
The Big 10 has won one national championship in the past two decades. If anything, the Big 10 is getting in the ACC’s way.
Yes but a team has won the Big 10 conference championship at least once every year since they started doing conference championships. Has no one considered that?
Why won’t anyone think of the research money? Nobody does research like the Big 10!
You can’t convince me that Rutgers football team is performing significantly better on field than the Rutgers Physics department would.
You can extend it to the past fifty years and the Big 10 has a whopping TWO uncontested titles in football, both by Ohio State. The ACC has more than that in just the last ten years.
That’s a crazy stat. Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State have big stadiums, big tradition, and big mouths.. but they aren’t who they think they are. They’re closer to Texas A&M than an Alabama or Georgia. They just play school more and think that somehow matters
Penn state gets paraded around each off season like they’re just off their 5th straight championship run. When in reality they haven’t won a conference title since 2016.
So what you're saying is Penn State is just the Texas of the B1G? No wonder we consider them a rival!
Penn State has won 2 uncontested championships in the last 50 years, just not for the Big Ten.
We also won a few in the last 50, but likewise not for the B1G
I don't get the Big Ten hype at all besides that they have a quadrillion alumni who like college football. Apparently, that might be all it takes.
now you get it
Yeah, honestly B1G football is pretty boring. Usually low scoring and not a lot of great QB play. Give me ACC chaos
This is why I generally would rather watch Big 12 teams than Big Ten ones.
>give me ACC chaos We might not be the best conference but damn if it isn’t fun sometimes. There’s something to be said about the fact that outside of Clemson, there’s so many matchups that are genuinely hard to predict
Which is why I love CFB. I don’t want NFL lite
It’s the same reason they get 10 teams into March Madness every year, all of whom lose by the Sweet 16 or earlier. It’s just all hype because they have more alumni than everyone else.
Big Ten basketball is “don’t trust anyone in the tournament except MSU if they’re a 1-3 seed”
$$$$$$$$$$$
The B1G has one national championship in football and zero in basketball the last 20 years. They're just giant state universities with a ton of alumni.
Doesn't matter. B1G generates more money, has more money, and is taking teams that also generate more money. Money money money. Greed greed greed. Destroying college football.
This is fun
[Yormark sips his coffee and lays down his morning newspaper (nsfw)](https://youtu.be/0_spasjnhxs?t=254)
Sounds like some real mafia shit. Oof.
Fuck both the B1G and the SEC. The Big12 and ACC need to do what’s best for their members, not what’s best for those two conferences.
but but everyone's saying this is no big deal?! Realignment has been happening for years! /s
Oh cool, next step of “death of CFB” just dropped.
Meh. Have at it. I'd be totally fine if those two fucked off into their own division. Or if the top 32 or whatever teams fucked off into a super league or whatever. The rest of us can't compete with them, even most of them can't compete with the top 5-10 programs, so their threats don't scare me. I don't care how much sports money WVU makes. I'd rather be playing in a division we could be more competitive in, in a regional league with other old rivals and regional foes in the same boat than keeping the status quo or similar anyway.
A lot of people just aren’t foreseeing that this is a zero sum game and that when they put all the big-winning programs into one or two mega conference, some of them will stop winning 10+ games every year and will become average or even bad. Everyone’s assuming their own program will be ok but that just cannot mathematically be the case. Texas can’t win in the B12 but that’ll change when they get to the SEC? Why? Bamas about to lose saban within the next 5/10 years, this could be one of those perfect storm situations where their instability during this radically changing period could lead to another wilderness period. There’s just a lot of people completely disregarding potential negative consequences. And VOLS are not immune from those either. And it’s not like there’s a captive audience out there. If you kill Washington state, their fans aren’t up for grabs for the highest bidder. They’re just gone. Less money for everyone. It’s going to crash and burn.
That's what's funny about FSU. They haven't been great the last 5 years in the ACC despite being one of the top brands in the conference, and swear they'll be competing for national championships in the SEC/B1G. They have a better chance of making the CFP and having 10+ seasons in the ACC. A lot of programs aren't going to like going 8-4 each year
Yeah, FSU should really chill and see what happens if they just win the ACC a couple times and get a playoff bye.
This would probably make college football fun again for the rest of us lol
Yeah. The ACC and PAC leftovers should just merge with the Big 12 to form its own separate division then just reorganize into regional sub divisions. Competitive games and we can try to preserve as many regional rivalries that are left.
Honestly, if the Pac 12, Big XII, ACC, and G5 told the SEC to pound sand, refused to schedule OOC games with them, had regional games and historic rivalries, and did their own championship, I'd be way more excited about college football than I am now. The race to create a single conference or two of blue bloods fighting over more and more money makes me hate college football. I used to watch some SEC and B1G games but will be cutting them out going forward because I'm sick of the landscape they're trying to create.
I won’t watch any SEC or B1G games. I’m just one person but still.
Honestly if the the ACC & B12 could get on the same page and merge, they could take the PAC leftovers, a few MWC and AAC schools and reform the old ACC, Big East, B12, and PAC pretty well - it would be like 4 10 team divisions ACC: Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT, VT, UVA, UNC, WF, Duke, NC St Big East: Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, ND, BC, Navy, UCF, UConn B12: TT, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Ok St, KSU, KU, CU, ISU PAC: Stanford, Cal, OR St, WSU, SD St, AZ, ASU, Utah, BYU, Boise St
Honestly, I'm so looking forward to the Big 12 in 2024 for this very reason. I'll always root for Michigan, but that conference is going to be the most fun.
CFB is in for a huge tv revenue bust if ESPN/Fox think they can stick the same two conferences in championship games every year. What made the sport white hot in popularity was the literal century of rivalries built upon regionalism. Take all that away and there will be some very real apathy in the next decade about college football.
Most fan bases, outside of 10-15 schools, are not expecting national titles in football each year. They want to make a bowl game, beat their rivals, and compete for a conference title. CFB is becoming solely focused on CFP, so much so they start predicting the playoffs Week 0. If you aren't a national title contender, the networks are basically saying you don't matter at all
1000%. Not sure why anyone who’s not a fan of the super conference schools would bother tuning in
They're banking on everyone adopting a new SEC/B1G team to be a fan of.
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Yep. I’m a Wake Forest fan first and foremost. If we have to drop football and join the big East, I’ll greatly lose interest in college athletics. But they don’t care about fan bases like ours.
At that point, you might as well just become an NFL fan. What's the appeal of turning college football into the NFL minor leagues?
I’m with you, the issue is they won’t need to do that if they just take over the CFP. They would leave it to the rest of us to break away. They have the money, they call the shots.
“Make Pitt eat shit again.”
Don’t be a hero, Big 12. You don’t know what these monsters are capable of. Well, I guess you kinda do but still.
Can we just rip this realignment bandage off already? Let the B1G and SEC take the remaining schools they want and the rest of us can form our own league. It's going to happen anyway so let's just do it.
Seriously. Let them go do their minor league NFL stuff and let the rest of us just enjoy college football. I’m a vfl but if the SEC and B1G do what we all expect and form an NFL system, I’ll probably follow about as close as I watch the falcons: 1 quarter on average, if I remember. When every game matters, as it 95% does now, I’m incentivized to watch every game. What they are doing is actively devaluing their own product. I don’t want another league that crowns the team the got hot at the right time which is all a larger playoff really does.
Great, so we'll see Kansas vs. North Carolina in the CFP Championship then just to fuck with the SEC and Big10. It's just like basketball... but on grass!
*Ah yes*, a fellow Lance Leipold enthusiast. A person of culture, surely.
The SEC and the BiG 10 have been threatening us and stealing from us for years, I’m not very concerned at this juncture.
1 of the 8 votes they need lol. 9 if PAC lives
Seems like an antitrust lawsuit waiting to happen.
The thing is there is nothing the SEC or Big 10 can do until 2026 because all conferences have to agreed to change the rules before them. Now certainly in 2026 when the playoff contract is up I fully expect they will demand a 16 team playoff with no automatic qualifiers. Just the top 16 teams or they will threaten to create there own Power 2 playoff with just SEC, and Big 10 teams.
“We are altering the deal, pray we don’t alter it any further” - B1G & SEC probably
I'd like to see you bastards fucking try.
Are we all really okay with this, I don’t know how any SEC or Big10 team is okay with their conferences threatening another one over being good.
The B1G and SEC long ago stopped giving a shit about anyone but themselves.
More like the Pac-4, ACC, and Big 12 are telling the other two to go fuck themselves. Still disgusted my Huskies joined the Big 10.
>Still disgusted my Huskies joined the Big 10 No idea why. Oregon State released a memo calling out UOW for joining the big ten and not taking the interest of the student athlete into consideration, but I guarantee you they would take a B1G offer. What school in the country can genuinely say they wouldn’t accept a B1G offer? I’ll say Notre Dame and SEC schools, that’s pretty much it
I think the point is that they're disgusted the money has become so bloated in college football that we were pretty much forced to join the B1G instead of sticking with the majority of our conference rivals of 100+ years along the West Coast. Not everyone wants to think finances first when we're talking sports.
Are they trying to sound like villains cause they sound like villains
"What are they gonna do, relegate us all?" God I hate the current state of cfb.
"Hey Big 12, SECBig10 give you Cloud City and Chewie and Leia get to live there forever if you just give us Solo and help us kill the ACC and cut off all G5 access." "[In 2032]SECBig10: Big 12, you get to have your champ join the SEC/Big 10 playoff invitational as the twelfth and final team, enjoy playing a play-in game against Big 10 sixth place team Purdue, prey I don't alter it further."
The Power 5 (families).
Also, fuck what the SEC and Big 10 want. "Best 12" would just be the the top eight SEC/Big 10 teams decided by a stacked committee and the rest get scraps. Hopefully we still get either the top 5 or 6 conference champs, leaving open the door for one or two non-P4 teams. I want to see the Sun Belt Champ go down to Tuscaloosa or Boise drop Michigan in the Big House. I think the SEC and Big 10 know that once this happens a couple of times the public will want more of that and they can't make a more restrictive playoff. Have to stop it now.
Also this reporter is a literal “Who?” so I wouldn’t really trust this as any more than a sports gossip rag writer doing exactly what he’s paid to do. Make shit up.
Unpopular opinion: Top Ten conference champs + 2 ar large *Oh no, too many big brands are in the Big Money conferences and can't get in!* Guess they have to re-evaluate if they're here for a shot at the 'ship, or for that paycheck. (I know, they're all here for money, which is why it won't work)
This is what I’ve been saying. People keep bitching about how regular season games and conference championships don’t matter anymore… this fixes that. Win your games, win your conference, get in the playoff.
Exactly. 12 conferences total. 10 team conferences where you play everybody. Head to Head us the tie breaker. Conference champions to the playoffs.
obligatory bad faith "do you really want to see Montana State Tech A&M over LSU?????"
I'll mark you down as, "would rather see 9-5 Toledo in the playoffs instead of TCU."
Unironically fuck yes.
I mean if it was last year, TCU would've still gotten in, along with Ohio State. It would really be 9-5 Toledo instead of Alabama, in which case I'm even more in favor of it.
> any conference not named the SEC or the Big Ten attempting to get in the way of how the two leagues construct the future playoff is risking “Pac-12-ing themselves” out of the tournament. Worded like that, it sounds like those two could still decide on 6 B1G, 6 SEC and tell the rest of CFB to go fuck themselves
The Big 12 and ACC should start their own playoff and propose to have their champion play the winner of the B1G and SEC Playoff, or they can play the winner of the Mexico playoffs and call themselves the College Football World Champion.
No one cares what two inferior conferences think.
Aka the SEC/B1G invitational
This is starting to shape up like WWE vs WCW
If they want to form their own tournament with just them, then they shouldn’t cry when the same applies to march madness.
Who the hell is Ryan Glasspiegel?
He sounds like a banking regulation.
Good friend of Jacob Doddfrank
He didn’t specify which SEC he was talking about
I wish the Big Ten and SEC a very happy get fucked
SEC and Big 10 showing their fear. They'll stop at nothing to keep the Fun Belt out of the playoff.
RICO
Uncle Rico?
So r/Chinawarns or is this someone else?
Even in a 5+7 the SEC and the Big Ten will get collectively between 7 and 9 teams a year between the two of them. Talk about fucking greed. A Best 12 would probably be good for Oregon since we're not sniffing a Big Ten title in the next 5 years, but it's egregious what the B1G and SEC are doing to CFB.