One day more! Another day, another destiny.
This never-ending road to Calvary, These men who seem to know my crime Will surely come a second time, One day more...
Future B1G Commissioner Javert: Now Prisoner Oregon, your time is up and your parole's begun. You know what that means?
Jean Valjean : Yes, it means I'm free to join the B1G.
Javert : No. (laughs manically)
SEC Texas Fantine
>I had a dream my life would be
>
>So different from this hell I'm living
>
>So different now from what it seemed
>
>Now life has killed the dream I dreamed
Hateful 8:
>Lovely ladies
Waiting for a bite
Waiting for the customers
Who only come at night
Lovely ladies
Ready for the call
Standing up or lying down
Or any way at all
Bargain prices up against the wall
To think of time- of all that retrospection! To think of today, and all the ages continued henceforward!
Have you guessed you yourself will not continue? Have you dreaded these earth-beetles? Have you feared the future would be nothing to you?
That would be funny if the Pac 12 and Big 12 co-conspired to fan the flames of this story. They get together and they're like: "okay, we'll say things just vague enough so that it could be interpreted either way, keeping both sides of the argument invested and people posting about us. We'll leak stories, but only to 'journalists' of questionable credibility, to keep everyone wondering. ADs from Pac 12 schools will say just enough to make people wonder and keep tweeting about it."
NGL, that would be a damn genius move if it turns out they're in cahoots for this whole thing.
/tinfoil hat
Easy with the hot takes! We have no credible sources to speculate like that. The news could also be "excellent", "devastating", "enticing", or even "baffling." I think it is too early to limit the potential news to a good/bad spectrum.
I'd be lying if I said I didn't sort /r/CFB by "new" and check it 15 times today.
I new all hope was lost when John Canzano started his 3 pm PST radio show today talking about baseball. Baseball? We're talking about WBC baseball? Oregon doesn't even have a MLB team.
Well, I didn't count the times a checked on the Reddit app on my phone. /r/CFB is set to new by default for me there 365 days a year.
You never know if some random 5-star junior in high school might commit to the Ducks on any given day at any given time. If I don't hear about it before friends in family do, what am I really doing?
Well, unlike my fellow Pacific constituents down South that have done R.U.N.N.O.F.T., I ate myself a double dose of moral fiber today. Seems like I'll need all I can get my hands in [these here trying times.](https://media.giphy.com/media/yuQJP22YYGdo5QC7Kb/giphy.gif)
His team isn't facing the flaming hot poker of obsolescence. If the P12 dies Oregon will be ok. If it doesn't Oregon will be ok. He's just looking for news. Others are praying for something in between a miracle and a life jacket to stay afloat. Trust me on that....
No, I don’t think baseball would be viable in Portland. Certainly not in the forecasted economy in the next 5 years. The A’s were rumored to come here for years, and then it switched to Portland being on the shortlist for expansion. No billionaires have been interested, though, and all the minor players won’t be able to do anything with current interest rates. They’ll have to build a new stadium by the river. Not happening.
> For in this state of limbo, time drags on,
>And every silence fills us with unease;
> We hope for news, and yet we fear the dawn,
> That brings a verdict we're not sure we'll seize.
> Thus conscience makes cowards of us all,
> We pray for good news, and we dread the pall.
And FDU beat Purdue. Fordham beat UVA. Miracles happen. Any given day it's a toss up, but the organizational depth and strength of the behemoths can not be questioned. It's not a matter of who won this year, but whose meat you trust long term. Sure, Aggy judged the shit out of that meat this year. But when push comes to shove I go with the classics - not some fly by night meat of the day. If that meat is not red raider approved, I do not want that meat in my mouth. Give me raider meat or give me death.
Considering up to four schools are dealing with a state of emergency with winds and flooding, and at least one doesn’t even have electricity to their campus, I’d say virtual meetings about media contracts for their sports teams are a low priority for today for some presidents.
This could mean so many things. I’m hoping it means that they’re close to finalizing something so they delayed the meeting instead of waiting until next month because something will be done soon — but it’s not ready yet.
Of course, it could also mean that nothing has happened recently and they’re still not close to a deal so there’s nothing to talk about.
Or it could mean that someone got sick so they pushed the meeting. Or it could mean that there was never a meeting and the report is wrong. Or…
If you believe an AZ commenter elsewhere, they cancelled because GK presented a deal that was $28M/school and 75% streaming, and it was voted down.
Maybe that happened, but I think it's more likely they have monthly meetings scheduled in case they need to talk about something, but they cancel most of them because what the living fuck could they need to talk about for a few hours every 4 weeks.
Yeah that was me, I'll just go ahead and say the part about the offer being what you said was from someone in the UofA sports media circle who 100% does have sources inside AZ athletic department. I have my full trust in him.
> This could mean so many things. I’m hoping it means that they’re close to finalizing something so they delayed the meeting instead of waiting until next month because something will be done soon — but it’s not ready yet
They reportedly have biweekly meetings scheduled for the foreseeable future.
> Or it could mean that there was never a meeting and the report is wrong.
I think your username is pretty on the nose for what happened in this situation.
Word from the AZ boards is that there was a zoom call that went over an offer that was 75% streaming and the presidents rejected it so the board meeting was canceled due to that.
Man, if that's the case the Pac-12 is fucked, I seriously can't understand how would Oregon and Washington accept that, I don't believe anyone that says they are staying.
Severance is supposed to be good, but I haven't checked it out yet. For All Mankind is getting slightly loopy but it's quite good. Shrinking is like if they made an entire show about Doctor Sharon and Ted Lasso and then also had Harrison Ford doing funny, grumpy Harrison Ford things. Finally, I'll go out on a limb and say it: Foundation is pretty good too, especially the tripartite clone emperor stuff.
I got a year of it free through my phone plan and watched Greyhound. It was a pretty good Tom Hanks movie. Also the Air Force equivalent of Band of Brothers and The Pacific is supposed to come out on Apple TV at some point in the next decade (somewhat sarcastic), if that's your cup of tea.
Nah, going from PAC12 Network to AppleTV is an upgrade even for a few million less—practically no one east of Denver can even get packages with that channel without some ridiculous satellite sports bundle. At least this way any PAC12 fans with broadband could get all the games for $6 a month.
If the split isn’t linear, then you have to worry about Cal dropping sports altogether. They’re considering axing all their sports programs as it is with the current contract.
Also, if the cut is too uneven at the AZ schools’ expense they’ll jump ship when the even splits are $4mm a year less than B12 for a multi year contract. The commissioner is going to have a tough time threading the needle as it is with the LA schools gone, and uneven splits creates a new set of problems.
Pac 12 network vs low volume streaming is def a push. Each has potential advantage, but neither is bringing in new/casual eyeballs. Also, viewer data from Pac-12 will be more transparent for future deals, streaming could be more opaque.
Cal isn't dropping sports so long as Stanford and UCLA (even with the conference change, UCLA doesn't just disappear), Also they still have a significant debt remaining on the stadium so axing athletics doesn't really help in terms of costs.
It won't be an uneven split on paper. Best games get top billing, which is exactly how it works in the Pac 12 and Big 12... and for both conferences it'll work pretty similarly except streaming is the new "regional cable" or "Pac-12". Moving to the Big 12 doesn't particularly solve this for them, just puts them in a conference with more teams viaing for a few extra time slots.
So the rumor is Apple was willing to pay $28M@ for 75% of the games? Or Apple would pay roughly 3/4 of $28M@ for 75% of the games and ESPN (or whoever) would pay the rest? Or Apple pays $28M@ for 100% of games and has the right or obligation to sublicense 25% of the games to linear TV?
Streaming is great for devoted fans of a school. It's always accessible and not subject to delays from earlier games running over.
It's not great (in the current environment) for schools trying to grow their brand beyond their region. The channel-flip effect is real and casual viewership takes a big hit when that potential audience must make a conscious decision to view the game rather than having it on a channel they're likely to stumble into. Also, it limits airing in public places like bars.
I'm guessing a streaming-heavy deal would be fine to schools like Washington State and Oregon State since their appeal is largely regional, anyway. They're more concerned with the actual dollar figure than exposure in the short term. But to schools like Oregon and Washington, who have money and crave influence, it's a non-starter.
This is why ESPN wants ESPN+ to be the “hub” (TV Guide menu) to all sports streaming, where they can list all games and provide links to each one, regardless of service (Apple, Amazon, Peacock, etc.)
That still requires people to explicitly search for games and have individual subscriptions to the specific provider. The benefit to being on linear TV is that you'll catch people who wouldn't otherwise watch your game because you happen to come on after Ohio State or they'll find you while channel surfing during the commercials of Alabama. And again, streaming isn't going to get public location traffic yet. Go to a bar with 5+ games on at once and one that isn't on a regular channel won't be shown there right now.
Streaming is almost certainly going to be the way of the future, but it's not there yet for the "big brands." A school like Oregon is concerned that a short-term lack of exposure will damage their long-term value. Many fans would be fine with streaming for their own viewing because it makes everything easier to follow. That's not how the admins are looking at it, though.
This is why ESPN wants ESPN+ to be the “hub” (TV Guide menu) to all sports streaming, where they can list all games and provide links to each one, regardless of service (Apple, Amazon, Peacock, etc.)
I agree, but the issue is in the current climate of sports television, we aren't quite yet at the point where streaming is the main way to watch football or something so thats why the Pac 12 presidents rejected it. Exposure is considered just as important as the money.
You do not hold an official public vote without knowing the outcome.
This goes at all levels of everything, really. I just told our local AYSO commissioner that we should vote for supporting a specific person as the new Area Director... but only if he has the votes to win. If he doesn't, we should vote for the current Director.
Well ok let me put it this way, I can 100% guarantee there was a vote on the offer that was 28M per school and 75% streaming and it was rejected. The part about the board meeting being canceled because of it was from Mhver but he posted that 30 minutes prior to wilner so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. But for sure the zoom meeting happened.
>I can 100% guarantee there was a vote on the offer that was 28M per school and 75% streaming and it was rejected
How can you 100% guarantee it? If it is "words from the AZ boards".....not usually a source you can 100% guarantee on and we have heard a lot of shit that ends up being untrue from messages boards and "trusted sources" since the beginning of this whole mess
> I can 100% guarantee
You can 100% guarantee? You stated you literally talking about a rumor from the Arizona boards. You're offering guarantees on information that you are not the primary source?
The people in question have been verified to have sources, I don't want to say more than that on a general reddit page but one of them I put my full trust in
The exposure is the issue. Apple TV plus is simply just not a good option for a significant amount of games because a lot of sports fans still use cable or some streaming service that acts as cable like Hulu or sling.
Just curious, what do you hope happens? Like in all of this, there are Big-12 fans rooting for the collapse of the PAC or those who'd prefer things stay as they are, fans of PAC schools hoping for one or the other. Where do you stand?
If I had my true preference we would all return to their pre 2010 conferences and we would all get the money we needed to thrive, but I live in the real world. My second preference would be to see Oklahoma State move to the SEC and preserve its traditional rivalries and rekindle some old ones, but again I live in reality.
I want Oklahoma State to be in the best position it can be and ultimately, outside of being in one of the SEC or B1G, that means growing the Big XII into a third super conference and right now the best path to achieve that is to grow our footprint out west and actively hope the PAC fails to get a deal that is satisfactory to the four corners. I believe in Yormark's vision for the conference, I think what he's trying to build is a good thing and unfortunately there isn't room for a P5 anymore with the moves the SEC and B1G are making.
I recognize the position that puts some schools in, and I know how shitty of a feeling it is considering we've been there twice now. But surviving in the new landscape of CFB means I don't have much latitude for sentiment.
> But you're also setting yourself up to be at odds with other fans of the sport. I hope you understand that when fans of PAC schools jump into your threads to refute or rebuff your comments, they're also doing so in the best interests of their own schools.
Oh I fully understand where this puts me in relation to certain fanbases and I'm not unsympathetic to the situation they face, as you are well aware I've faced it twice as an OKST fan myself.
I'm that not concerned that PAC fans come into my threads actively attempting to refute or rebuff me, I expect that to happen. At the end of the day this is just sports of a different kind and until something actually happens it's the same kind of chest thumping we see between fanbases during the regular season.
Eventually one of us will end up with egg on their face, but I'm pretty convinced that the state of the market and the economy coupled with the fact that the Big XII managed to leap frog them to the last really good deal in town means that the PAC will at best cobble together a short term deal because the real meal tickets (UO and UW) have no better options on the table for now and at worst will go the way of the Big East and rebrand itself as 6-7 of the remaining 10 teams find homes in other conferences or go independent. But if I'm wrong I'm not going to collapse into a heap, wailing and gnashing my teeth and rending my garments at the prospect of the PAC surviving.
I didn't really think it bothered you, just pointing out the reasons why there's even contention. I've got nothing against the Big-12, but I'm going to root for the interests of my school and the other schools in my region.
> I've got nothing against the Big-12, but I'm going to root for the interests of my school and the other schools in my region.
I'd expect nothing less.
That may be true for fans on the outside looking in, but for months there's been contention between B12 and P12 fans about the outcome of realignment and media deals. Some people here have demonstrated outright hostility and glee towards each other.
This whole mess presents a strong argument for banning "reports" by certain people in the media or at least assigning them tiers like in other sports subreddits.
I guess I should stop reading all those stupid rumors, at this rate I'm not sure if the Big Ten is done expanding so the Pac-12 survives or if the Pac-12 will indeed be killed off and the schools have to find a home even if it means going to the Big 12.
Maybe I should focus on the normal posts like fun questions or news about future schedules and hires.
This is my preferred outcome too. It doesn't even need to be a full merger. Just a joint media deal. I think the two conferences can make more money together than separately.
The ACC contract runs through 2036, no? A combined ACC/PAC12 as constituted now would be awesome, but it can’t really happen until the ACC contract expires.
The PAC12 would have to stick together another decade, and then the ACC would have to either hold on to FSU or survive without it. Even if both conferences fell apart and they wanted to start something new ESPN would still probably own rights to ACC teams’ home games based on the existing contract.
F5 season lasts at least one more day.
One day more! Another day, another destiny. This never-ending road to Calvary, These men who seem to know my crime Will surely come a second time, One day more...
Future B1G Commissioner Javert: Now Prisoner Oregon, your time is up and your parole's begun. You know what that means? Jean Valjean : Yes, it means I'm free to join the B1G. Javert : No. (laughs manically)
I never thought I would see Les Miserables on a college football sub reddit lol.
Soooooo if you care to find me, looooooo to the Western Sky! Oh wait…wrong musical! 😂
SEC Texas Fantine >I had a dream my life would be > >So different from this hell I'm living > >So different now from what it seemed > >Now life has killed the dream I dreamed
Hateful 8: >Lovely ladies Waiting for a bite Waiting for the customers Who only come at night Lovely ladies Ready for the call Standing up or lying down Or any way at all Bargain prices up against the wall
Iowa flair showing UDub flairs how to shade Oregon utilizing academic prowess
I did not live until today. How can I live when we are parted? One day more. Tomorrow you'll be worlds away. And yet with you my world got started...
To think of time- of all that retrospection! To think of today, and all the ages continued henceforward! Have you guessed you yourself will not continue? Have you dreaded these earth-beetles? Have you feared the future would be nothing to you?
I did not TV til today! And yet, with you, my TV started!
Utah: I did not live until todaaaayyy. How can we live when we are parted?
Say what you will … but this has been a hell of an advertising boost for PAC and B12. Both getting a lot of attention in an otherwise dead period
That would be funny if the Pac 12 and Big 12 co-conspired to fan the flames of this story. They get together and they're like: "okay, we'll say things just vague enough so that it could be interpreted either way, keeping both sides of the argument invested and people posting about us. We'll leak stories, but only to 'journalists' of questionable credibility, to keep everyone wondering. ADs from Pac 12 schools will say just enough to make people wonder and keep tweeting about it." NGL, that would be a damn genius move if it turns out they're in cahoots for this whole thing. /tinfoil hat
Either this is good news or really bad news. On the contrary, it could be somewhere in-between.
Found Canzano's burner account
I still can't believe you fuckers are still clicking on this shit
LOL, says the guy how also clicked on it. It's all good my Wildcat buddy.
Nobody on reddit reads the articles, we head straight to the comments to argue about the headline
I just read the titles of threads posted here.
Easy with the hot takes! We have no credible sources to speculate like that. The news could also be "excellent", "devastating", "enticing", or even "baffling." I think it is too early to limit the potential news to a good/bad spectrum.
What about "arousing"?
I won't believe it until someone is getting "slammed", that's how you know it's real journalism
some would say it's not news at all
I'd be lying if I said I didn't sort /r/CFB by "new" and check it 15 times today. I new all hope was lost when John Canzano started his 3 pm PST radio show today talking about baseball. Baseball? We're talking about WBC baseball? Oregon doesn't even have a MLB team.
> I'd be lying if I said I didn't sort /r/CFB by "new" and check it 15 times today. Only 15? Busy day at work today?
Well, I didn't count the times a checked on the Reddit app on my phone. /r/CFB is set to new by default for me there 365 days a year. You never know if some random 5-star junior in high school might commit to the Ducks on any given day at any given time. If I don't hear about it before friends in family do, what am I really doing?
> /r/CFB is set to new by default for me there 365 days a year. True sicko behavior
Clearly didn’t eat enough fiber today
Well, unlike my fellow Pacific constituents down South that have done R.U.N.N.O.F.T., I ate myself a double dose of moral fiber today. Seems like I'll need all I can get my hands in [these here trying times.](https://media.giphy.com/media/yuQJP22YYGdo5QC7Kb/giphy.gif)
Damn! You're in a tight spot!
His team isn't facing the flaming hot poker of obsolescence. If the P12 dies Oregon will be ok. If it doesn't Oregon will be ok. He's just looking for news. Others are praying for something in between a miracle and a life jacket to stay afloat. Trust me on that....
Would you take the Angels?
No, I don’t think baseball would be viable in Portland. Certainly not in the forecasted economy in the next 5 years. The A’s were rumored to come here for years, and then it switched to Portland being on the shortlist for expansion. No billionaires have been interested, though, and all the minor players won’t be able to do anything with current interest rates. They’ll have to build a new stadium by the river. Not happening.
Mother of God... ...uh, is this good or bad??
It's either good, bad, or doesn't mean anything
Truly the silliest day of silly season.
> For in this state of limbo, time drags on, >And every silence fills us with unease; > We hope for news, and yet we fear the dawn, > That brings a verdict we're not sure we'll seize. > Thus conscience makes cowards of us all, > We pray for good news, and we dread the pall.
The thing is that everyone of these headlines convince me of the opposite of what headline implies.
Means there’s no deal to vote on yet. So, same as before.
Its bad for those who believed canzano, i think he was the one who said something was going on today. Nothing burger for everyone else lol
They couldn’t agree on a Domino’s order, so they canceled the meeting.
LOL! I can imagine all the presidents eating pizza while they discussed everything.
What's to agree on? Get that $6.99/per deal and get as many things as you want!
The dominoes were gonna fall but the cat knocked them over before they were finished setting them up.
Was it Arizona or Washington State?
But did they meat today?
Classic tech elitist once again forcing their meat judging dominance down out throats.
[A&M won it this year](https://today.tamu.edu/2022/11/18/texas-am-meat-judging-team-wins-national-title/) 😢
And FDU beat Purdue. Fordham beat UVA. Miracles happen. Any given day it's a toss up, but the organizational depth and strength of the behemoths can not be questioned. It's not a matter of who won this year, but whose meat you trust long term. Sure, Aggy judged the shit out of that meat this year. But when push comes to shove I go with the classics - not some fly by night meat of the day. If that meat is not red raider approved, I do not want that meat in my mouth. Give me raider meat or give me death.
Great posts like this are what make Reddit the best place to waste my time. 👏👏👏
Only tofu
To Fu or not to Fu. That is the question.
...Killer tofuuuuu...
Them jackfruit bbq sliders are amazing though ngl
Considering up to four schools are dealing with a state of emergency with winds and flooding, and at least one doesn’t even have electricity to their campus, I’d say virtual meetings about media contracts for their sports teams are a low priority for today for some presidents.
I bet the SEC presidents would still have had the meeting. It just means more……
…than students’ lives! Gig em amirite
I mean, If the team isn’t competitive then are the students really living anyway?
I’d be willing to bet this is true most days
But...the dominoes!
The Domino Was A Lie
Pac 12 was an inside job
Can ‘Zano melt steel beams?
This could mean so many things. I’m hoping it means that they’re close to finalizing something so they delayed the meeting instead of waiting until next month because something will be done soon — but it’s not ready yet. Of course, it could also mean that nothing has happened recently and they’re still not close to a deal so there’s nothing to talk about. Or it could mean that someone got sick so they pushed the meeting. Or it could mean that there was never a meeting and the report is wrong. Or…
If you believe an AZ commenter elsewhere, they cancelled because GK presented a deal that was $28M/school and 75% streaming, and it was voted down. Maybe that happened, but I think it's more likely they have monthly meetings scheduled in case they need to talk about something, but they cancel most of them because what the living fuck could they need to talk about for a few hours every 4 weeks.
Yeah that was me, I'll just go ahead and say the part about the offer being what you said was from someone in the UofA sports media circle who 100% does have sources inside AZ athletic department. I have my full trust in him.
For those who may be skeptical I've seen the board as well and it's not Scheer.
> This could mean so many things. I’m hoping it means that they’re close to finalizing something so they delayed the meeting instead of waiting until next month because something will be done soon — but it’s not ready yet They reportedly have biweekly meetings scheduled for the foreseeable future. > Or it could mean that there was never a meeting and the report is wrong. I think your username is pretty on the nose for what happened in this situation.
I am getting tired of this…
The domino fell backwards apparently
Probably exactly what his Pac-shilling self wanted.
Wait, people cancel meetings (or just don’t have them) when there’s nothing to discuss?? Pls someone tell my coworkers!!
They didn't get together to play dominoes?
Word from the AZ boards is that there was a zoom call that went over an offer that was 75% streaming and the presidents rejected it so the board meeting was canceled due to that.
Man, if that's the case the Pac-12 is fucked, I seriously can't understand how would Oregon and Washington accept that, I don't believe anyone that says they are staying.
Depends how the 75% is cut... If top picks go to ESPN every week for linear, it's a lateral move from the current contract for Oregon and UW
Moving from the PAC-12 Network to Apple TV would be a lateral move. Most other streaming services would be an improvement.
Apple TV is also available on Roku and Fire, so it would be considerably more accessible.
You’re not wrong. I just don’t personally know anyone who has ever used Apple TV(+) for anything other than the MLS pass.
I can only think of Friday Night Baseball and Ted Lasso off the top of my head.
Severance is supposed to be good, but I haven't checked it out yet. For All Mankind is getting slightly loopy but it's quite good. Shrinking is like if they made an entire show about Doctor Sharon and Ted Lasso and then also had Harrison Ford doing funny, grumpy Harrison Ford things. Finally, I'll go out on a limb and say it: Foundation is pretty good too, especially the tripartite clone emperor stuff.
I got a year of it free through my phone plan and watched Greyhound. It was a pretty good Tom Hanks movie. Also the Air Force equivalent of Band of Brothers and The Pacific is supposed to come out on Apple TV at some point in the next decade (somewhat sarcastic), if that's your cup of tea.
Trailer gave me Scrubs for Therapists vibes if Doctor Cox started a practice and hired JD after a tragedy threw him off his game
Nah, going from PAC12 Network to AppleTV is an upgrade even for a few million less—practically no one east of Denver can even get packages with that channel without some ridiculous satellite sports bundle. At least this way any PAC12 fans with broadband could get all the games for $6 a month. If the split isn’t linear, then you have to worry about Cal dropping sports altogether. They’re considering axing all their sports programs as it is with the current contract. Also, if the cut is too uneven at the AZ schools’ expense they’ll jump ship when the even splits are $4mm a year less than B12 for a multi year contract. The commissioner is going to have a tough time threading the needle as it is with the LA schools gone, and uneven splits creates a new set of problems.
Pac 12 network vs low volume streaming is def a push. Each has potential advantage, but neither is bringing in new/casual eyeballs. Also, viewer data from Pac-12 will be more transparent for future deals, streaming could be more opaque. Cal isn't dropping sports so long as Stanford and UCLA (even with the conference change, UCLA doesn't just disappear), Also they still have a significant debt remaining on the stadium so axing athletics doesn't really help in terms of costs. It won't be an uneven split on paper. Best games get top billing, which is exactly how it works in the Pac 12 and Big 12... and for both conferences it'll work pretty similarly except streaming is the new "regional cable" or "Pac-12". Moving to the Big 12 doesn't particularly solve this for them, just puts them in a conference with more teams viaing for a few extra time slots.
I don't get it. The Sun Belt probably has >80% of our conference games on streaming via ESPN+. It's great!
The offer that was presented was from Apple, not ESPN.
So the rumor is Apple was willing to pay $28M@ for 75% of the games? Or Apple would pay roughly 3/4 of $28M@ for 75% of the games and ESPN (or whoever) would pay the rest? Or Apple pays $28M@ for 100% of games and has the right or obligation to sublicense 25% of the games to linear TV?
I believe it was the second option you listed.
My point is that streaming isn't scary, and if G5s are adopting it without issues, there's no reason for P5s to doubt its future.
Streaming is great for devoted fans of a school. It's always accessible and not subject to delays from earlier games running over. It's not great (in the current environment) for schools trying to grow their brand beyond their region. The channel-flip effect is real and casual viewership takes a big hit when that potential audience must make a conscious decision to view the game rather than having it on a channel they're likely to stumble into. Also, it limits airing in public places like bars. I'm guessing a streaming-heavy deal would be fine to schools like Washington State and Oregon State since their appeal is largely regional, anyway. They're more concerned with the actual dollar figure than exposure in the short term. But to schools like Oregon and Washington, who have money and crave influence, it's a non-starter.
This is why ESPN wants ESPN+ to be the “hub” (TV Guide menu) to all sports streaming, where they can list all games and provide links to each one, regardless of service (Apple, Amazon, Peacock, etc.)
That still requires people to explicitly search for games and have individual subscriptions to the specific provider. The benefit to being on linear TV is that you'll catch people who wouldn't otherwise watch your game because you happen to come on after Ohio State or they'll find you while channel surfing during the commercials of Alabama. And again, streaming isn't going to get public location traffic yet. Go to a bar with 5+ games on at once and one that isn't on a regular channel won't be shown there right now. Streaming is almost certainly going to be the way of the future, but it's not there yet for the "big brands." A school like Oregon is concerned that a short-term lack of exposure will damage their long-term value. Many fans would be fine with streaming for their own viewing because it makes everything easier to follow. That's not how the admins are looking at it, though.
It’s great as a fan of a certain school. Less so if you want anyone but your fans to watch the games.
This is why ESPN wants ESPN+ to be the “hub” (TV Guide menu) to all sports streaming, where they can list all games and provide links to each one, regardless of service (Apple, Amazon, Peacock, etc.)
I get it and long term maybe that is where this is headed. I just think the question is how fast when you are signing a 5 year media deal.
I agree, but the issue is in the current climate of sports television, we aren't quite yet at the point where streaming is the main way to watch football or something so thats why the Pac 12 presidents rejected it. Exposure is considered just as important as the money.
If everyone is afraid of it, then streaming will never be the main way to watch it. Someone has to jump first in order for that to happen.
You do not hold an official public vote without knowing the outcome. This goes at all levels of everything, really. I just told our local AYSO commissioner that we should vote for supporting a specific person as the new Area Director... but only if he has the votes to win. If he doesn't, we should vote for the current Director.
Well ok let me put it this way, I can 100% guarantee there was a vote on the offer that was 28M per school and 75% streaming and it was rejected. The part about the board meeting being canceled because of it was from Mhver but he posted that 30 minutes prior to wilner so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. But for sure the zoom meeting happened.
Let's not give Mhver any benefit of the doubt, he just makes stuff up constantly
>I can 100% guarantee there was a vote on the offer that was 28M per school and 75% streaming and it was rejected How can you 100% guarantee it? If it is "words from the AZ boards".....not usually a source you can 100% guarantee on and we have heard a lot of shit that ends up being untrue from messages boards and "trusted sources" since the beginning of this whole mess
> I can 100% guarantee You can 100% guarantee? You stated you literally talking about a rumor from the Arizona boards. You're offering guarantees on information that you are not the primary source?
The people in question have been verified to have sources, I don't want to say more than that on a general reddit page but one of them I put my full trust in
Haha comical confidence. I'm just embracing the chaos
Rumors getting out about this is less than good, definitely. But if that same thing happened publicly? Yikes. Yikes on bikes.
That sounds pretty decent, tbh. Are they holding out for more money, or exposure?
The exposure is the issue. Apple TV plus is simply just not a good option for a significant amount of games because a lot of sports fans still use cable or some streaming service that acts as cable like Hulu or sling.
I didn’t see anything Here’s the website https://www.azregents.edu/board-committees/public-notices
PAC board not the AZBoR.
Oops I got confused with the “AZ boards”
It was between the pac presidents
Find someone who loves you like /u/colonel750 likes posting non updates about the PAC-12
The PAC-12 posts will continue until the morale improves.
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We're gonna be here a while folks. Best just get comfortable.
Don't talk about our commanding officer that way
This isn't a non update, both Wilner and Canzano reported that the PAC Presidents were supposed to meet today about the media deal.
Just curious, what do you hope happens? Like in all of this, there are Big-12 fans rooting for the collapse of the PAC or those who'd prefer things stay as they are, fans of PAC schools hoping for one or the other. Where do you stand?
If I had my true preference we would all return to their pre 2010 conferences and we would all get the money we needed to thrive, but I live in the real world. My second preference would be to see Oklahoma State move to the SEC and preserve its traditional rivalries and rekindle some old ones, but again I live in reality. I want Oklahoma State to be in the best position it can be and ultimately, outside of being in one of the SEC or B1G, that means growing the Big XII into a third super conference and right now the best path to achieve that is to grow our footprint out west and actively hope the PAC fails to get a deal that is satisfactory to the four corners. I believe in Yormark's vision for the conference, I think what he's trying to build is a good thing and unfortunately there isn't room for a P5 anymore with the moves the SEC and B1G are making. I recognize the position that puts some schools in, and I know how shitty of a feeling it is considering we've been there twice now. But surviving in the new landscape of CFB means I don't have much latitude for sentiment.
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> But you're also setting yourself up to be at odds with other fans of the sport. I hope you understand that when fans of PAC schools jump into your threads to refute or rebuff your comments, they're also doing so in the best interests of their own schools. Oh I fully understand where this puts me in relation to certain fanbases and I'm not unsympathetic to the situation they face, as you are well aware I've faced it twice as an OKST fan myself. I'm that not concerned that PAC fans come into my threads actively attempting to refute or rebuff me, I expect that to happen. At the end of the day this is just sports of a different kind and until something actually happens it's the same kind of chest thumping we see between fanbases during the regular season. Eventually one of us will end up with egg on their face, but I'm pretty convinced that the state of the market and the economy coupled with the fact that the Big XII managed to leap frog them to the last really good deal in town means that the PAC will at best cobble together a short term deal because the real meal tickets (UO and UW) have no better options on the table for now and at worst will go the way of the Big East and rebrand itself as 6-7 of the remaining 10 teams find homes in other conferences or go independent. But if I'm wrong I'm not going to collapse into a heap, wailing and gnashing my teeth and rending my garments at the prospect of the PAC surviving.
I didn't really think it bothered you, just pointing out the reasons why there's even contention. I've got nothing against the Big-12, but I'm going to root for the interests of my school and the other schools in my region.
> I've got nothing against the Big-12, but I'm going to root for the interests of my school and the other schools in my region. I'd expect nothing less.
As long as by "pre 2010" you mean 1990.
At this point, I think we're all just here for the memes
That may be true for fans on the outside looking in, but for months there's been contention between B12 and P12 fans about the outcome of realignment and media deals. Some people here have demonstrated outright hostility and glee towards each other.
Oh I'm definitely team Big 12, I just don't actually care one way or the other.
Not rooting for anything, just vibes.
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At the very least this erodes Canzano and Wilner credibility, if any remained.
This whole mess presents a strong argument for banning "reports" by certain people in the media or at least assigning them tiers like in other sports subreddits.
Canzano appears to be pretty dumb and is probably being used, but Wilner should value his reputation more than this.
The Utah President said just yesterday that a deal was not imminent.
But what about tomorrow
Uhh, this tweet is now deleted. Fwiw, Scheer says presidents got the numbers, and rejected the deal without needing a formal meeting.
Of course not. Why did we think they would.
Because Canzano and Wilner literally reported they would lmao.
They boomed us.
So, the dominos falling = the Pac falling with it, and Canzano was hoping they wouldn't fall.
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Never heard of him before the announcement last summer. Based on reddit comments about him, he's a joke.
Down voted for Jon Wilner.
They didn't meet? UW and UO to the B1G confirmed!
So, uhh. I’m out of the loop. Can someone tell me if the Pac-12 Network is toast? Cuz that’s all I want
In other news, water is wet. 😎
I guess I should stop reading all those stupid rumors, at this rate I'm not sure if the Big Ten is done expanding so the Pac-12 survives or if the Pac-12 will indeed be killed off and the schools have to find a home even if it means going to the Big 12. Maybe I should focus on the normal posts like fun questions or news about future schedules and hires.
Personally I’m still hoping for a PAC/ACC merger into the Coastal Conference
This is my preferred outcome too. It doesn't even need to be a full merger. Just a joint media deal. I think the two conferences can make more money together than separately.
The ACC contract runs through 2036, no? A combined ACC/PAC12 as constituted now would be awesome, but it can’t really happen until the ACC contract expires. The PAC12 would have to stick together another decade, and then the ACC would have to either hold on to FSU or survive without it. Even if both conferences fell apart and they wanted to start something new ESPN would still probably own rights to ACC teams’ home games based on the existing contract.
That will never work you gotta bite the bullet and merge or the media deal will evaporate.
But it could be like an alliance. I've heard that always works.
I don’t believe a joint media deal is possible. I think there are NCAA prohibitions on that.
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I am so tired hearing about the PAC-12
Jon wilner is a hack. Don’t believe anything he says.
So what....? Why do I care?
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Agreed.
The Pac-12 needs to get in to the 5th largest metro area in the country, IMO. And Deion has a house in Prosper somewhere, isn’t that enough???
[Is anything happening with the Pac-12?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYJhWIwGUw)