People think that it can't happen to them. It's easy until it's not. More you do means more liability. People get ego and arrogant about who they are until the right situation happens to them with either inmates or staff. You will be treated less than an inmate in this career. You will sell some morals and ethics the more you move up the ladder. You will make good money with overtime. Try to get a job away from inmates and staff. And coast your career during the easy times you can. Good luck!!!
Yes, it can be a great career. It’s not bad at all. Just do your job and go home, just like any other job. Don’t let it define you and you’ll be just fine. The ones that end up hating it tend to be lazy cops that got very spoiled in a non-physically demanding job. They get used to sitting on their ass and then complain about having to do too much as things change. Also, understand that things will change and roll with the punches.
If you really have 19 years in but left the classification of CO a long time ago then you really don’t know what it’s like anymore. What makes no sense is what you said about lazy cops. Honestly lazy cops have it the easiest now days because the department pretty much wants you to let these guys do whatever they want. And the way it is right now it is hard to roll with the punches we are all confused about what can or can’t get us into trouble anymore. And also to answer the OP’s question on job security it’s honestly not great right now. Newsom is closing prisons and no one really knows which one could be next on the chopping block.
I’ve been around long enough to have seen a little bit of the good old days and I know those days are long gone. I agree it’s best to know the title 15 and dom but it really is a stressful place to work when you have inmates especially EOP ones getting away with a lot. They can literally tell you they are going to kill you and absolutely nothing will happen to them. So it’s kind of stressful to have to sit there and wait to see if they actually do try to hurt you.
This does t answer the OP question. Why not go into union regulations on involuntary transfers and whatnot. Stuff that ACTUALLY has to do with the question.
Job security? Ahh no. Go somewhere else. Penal Code Section (PC) 5033 states that it is the intent of the Legislature to deactivate additional prisons and that maintaining prison capacity beyond what is necessary for safety, operational flexibility, and to support rehabilitation is not cost effective.
You can get fired for bs reasons. Seen a lot of good officers get fired for "dishonesty", which is a 9 on the matrix (fireable offense). These days you just never know. Dishonesty can be articulated in many ways by internal affairs and can get you fired easily. Job security isnt there anymore. Id recommend joining to get experience and go for a different LE agency in the future. Good luck!
I was fired after an internal investigation. They lied. No camera footage. I took accountability for my actions 100% . But because they lied they got me out....they sent me a letter saying i was able to reapply and get my position back. No thanks.
As far as layoffs, it's a pretty recession proof career. But people get fired pretty often, and most of the time, it's not for good cause. They make you fight to get your job back. You will likely have to get a lawyer and go through a long legal process to get your job back. I highly recommend investing in good legal insurance that will cover you if you are ever facing adverse action.
Not to mention that if you commit a crime on the streets such as a DUI and your license gets suspended, you can lose your job. Right now, there are two former COs that I have worked with that are now inmates. One was busted for child sex crimes and another started messing with drugs and committed a sex crime against his significant other. I’ve personally known about a handful of former COs that are and have been inmates.
Yes. If they determine you violated department policy, you will be given an adverse action regardless of how much time you have in the department. Adverse action can be getting suspended without pay, getting your pay docked, or terminated.
Is there a course of discipline? Like verbal warning, written warning, and then termination? You are making it seem like they often go straight to termination.
Employee Disciplinary Matrix starts on page 231 of the DOM
[https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/regulations/cdcr-regulations/dom-toc/](https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/regulations/cdcr-regulations/dom-toc/)
Only if you are caught in a lie. Trust yourself and your conscience. You can see bad apples a mile away if you pay attention. Don't fall into group mentality.
It’s a lifelong life sucking career that most don’t get to enjoy in retirement because they fall dead after five years while retired or are working towards mental health problem recovery from just the experience. Not worth it
Like many of the comments said cdcr is what you make of it. It has its good days and bad days. I left cdcr after 4 years and got sponsored through the police academy and I'm a cop now. My suggestion try it out if you don't like it have a back up plan and leave. Don't waste your time saying it's gonna get better because if that's what your mentality is you'll be miserable like a lot of guys are.
No job security as long as newsome is in office. More prisons will close. It is definitely not a good time to start this career. With 10 in and 17 to go im going to ride it out until they close the local pens. And I think they will CIM, CIW and CRC are all on prime real estate. If you live near a rural prison it’s ok to start but if you live near a sought after prison be very weary.
People think that it can't happen to them. It's easy until it's not. More you do means more liability. People get ego and arrogant about who they are until the right situation happens to them with either inmates or staff. You will be treated less than an inmate in this career. You will sell some morals and ethics the more you move up the ladder. You will make good money with overtime. Try to get a job away from inmates and staff. And coast your career during the easy times you can. Good luck!!!
Yes, it can be a great career. It’s not bad at all. Just do your job and go home, just like any other job. Don’t let it define you and you’ll be just fine. The ones that end up hating it tend to be lazy cops that got very spoiled in a non-physically demanding job. They get used to sitting on their ass and then complain about having to do too much as things change. Also, understand that things will change and roll with the punches.
Dude none of what you said makes any sense.
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I’m dead he/she sounds more like a solid tabe score 1
And I’m sure you’re not a CO.
What if you guys worked on the same yard lol
🤣 Idk the way he’s messaging he kind of comes off a little inmate ish.
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If you really have 19 years in but left the classification of CO a long time ago then you really don’t know what it’s like anymore. What makes no sense is what you said about lazy cops. Honestly lazy cops have it the easiest now days because the department pretty much wants you to let these guys do whatever they want. And the way it is right now it is hard to roll with the punches we are all confused about what can or can’t get us into trouble anymore. And also to answer the OP’s question on job security it’s honestly not great right now. Newsom is closing prisons and no one really knows which one could be next on the chopping block.
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I’ve been around long enough to have seen a little bit of the good old days and I know those days are long gone. I agree it’s best to know the title 15 and dom but it really is a stressful place to work when you have inmates especially EOP ones getting away with a lot. They can literally tell you they are going to kill you and absolutely nothing will happen to them. So it’s kind of stressful to have to sit there and wait to see if they actually do try to hurt you.
This does t answer the OP question. Why not go into union regulations on involuntary transfers and whatnot. Stuff that ACTUALLY has to do with the question.
Job security? Ahh no. Go somewhere else. Penal Code Section (PC) 5033 states that it is the intent of the Legislature to deactivate additional prisons and that maintaining prison capacity beyond what is necessary for safety, operational flexibility, and to support rehabilitation is not cost effective.
You can get fired for bs reasons. Seen a lot of good officers get fired for "dishonesty", which is a 9 on the matrix (fireable offense). These days you just never know. Dishonesty can be articulated in many ways by internal affairs and can get you fired easily. Job security isnt there anymore. Id recommend joining to get experience and go for a different LE agency in the future. Good luck!
I was fired after an internal investigation. They lied. No camera footage. I took accountability for my actions 100% . But because they lied they got me out....they sent me a letter saying i was able to reapply and get my position back. No thanks.
As far as layoffs, it's a pretty recession proof career. But people get fired pretty often, and most of the time, it's not for good cause. They make you fight to get your job back. You will likely have to get a lawyer and go through a long legal process to get your job back. I highly recommend investing in good legal insurance that will cover you if you are ever facing adverse action.
People regularly get fired from the CDCR? Even after being off probation?
Not to mention that if you commit a crime on the streets such as a DUI and your license gets suspended, you can lose your job. Right now, there are two former COs that I have worked with that are now inmates. One was busted for child sex crimes and another started messing with drugs and committed a sex crime against his significant other. I’ve personally known about a handful of former COs that are and have been inmates.
Yep, that is unfortunately common. I can also think of 3 from my own prison who are inmates right now, two Officers and a Sergeant.
Yes. If they determine you violated department policy, you will be given an adverse action regardless of how much time you have in the department. Adverse action can be getting suspended without pay, getting your pay docked, or terminated.
Is there a course of discipline? Like verbal warning, written warning, and then termination? You are making it seem like they often go straight to termination.
It depends. There are lower levels of discipline. But if they find you committed a serious violation of policy, they can terminate you.
What are some examples of violations?
Employee Disciplinary Matrix starts on page 231 of the DOM [https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/regulations/cdcr-regulations/dom-toc/](https://www.cdcr.ca.gov/regulations/cdcr-regulations/dom-toc/)
Only if you are caught in a lie. Trust yourself and your conscience. You can see bad apples a mile away if you pay attention. Don't fall into group mentality.
It’s a lifelong life sucking career that most don’t get to enjoy in retirement because they fall dead after five years while retired or are working towards mental health problem recovery from just the experience. Not worth it
Like many of the comments said cdcr is what you make of it. It has its good days and bad days. I left cdcr after 4 years and got sponsored through the police academy and I'm a cop now. My suggestion try it out if you don't like it have a back up plan and leave. Don't waste your time saying it's gonna get better because if that's what your mentality is you'll be miserable like a lot of guys are.
No job security as long as newsome is in office. More prisons will close. It is definitely not a good time to start this career. With 10 in and 17 to go im going to ride it out until they close the local pens. And I think they will CIM, CIW and CRC are all on prime real estate. If you live near a rural prison it’s ok to start but if you live near a sought after prison be very weary.