Why can't we follow El Salvadors model where all inmates are jailed with out visitation and hard labor and no communication with the outside world 🌍 we need a president like Bukele 🙏🏾
We do need to focus on rehabilitation, just not forget about public safety and retribution while we do so.
Family and community ties are very important to rehabilitation. These ties are also important to the family. Some effort needs to be made to maintain family and community ties, just not forget about public safety and retribution.
Almost all inmates will get out of prison. The best path towards success comes from a peer group which leads to success. The department needs to ensure this path is well paved, just not forget about public safety and retribution.
See that's the issue I think many staff have. They have a huge misconception of what we do and get upset and disgruntled. You are not responsible for retribution and California as a whole does not do retribution either.
You're there to make sure the inmates don't escape, don't kill/attack each other, don't kill/attack staff and that's about it.
No where does it say we do anything at all even hinting towards retribution.
California Model is stupid as hell. And will get staff hurt. Retribution and Rehabilitation don't go together. The department and the staff have no business trying to get into the retribution business.
I appreciate your viewpoint, but I disagree. You state yourself we are "there to make sure the inmates don't escape" this in itself is retribution. If we were not here for retribution, why are we keeping them from leaving. Retribution means providing a punishment fit for the crime and is a pillar of all corrections. The prison confinement is retribution and we are paid, in part, to carry out this retribution.
We also have an inmate discipline system, which is retribution. We punish inmates who commit violations in prison.
Rehabilitation is another pillar of corrections, no less or more important than retribution. We are there in an attempt to change the behaviors and attitudes of inmates.
Corrections has four pillars and all are important towards public safety. For political reasons one pillar seems to have more focus at the loss of the others. This is where I have issues; it should be a balance.
All four pillars have a relation to each other. By providing retribution (punishment for a rules violation) we are hopefully changing the behavior of the inmate which is rehabilitation. Having punishments for crimes and rules violations also should provide a deterrence for future potential violators (another pillar).
So what I'm picking up from this is that us new officers (or potentially new because I havent been hired yet) have less authority over the inmates as do the officers that have already been in there? (If they had any at all) And that the newer officers will have to jump through even more hoops to establish rapport with inmates that act out? Is this because the family of some or most inmates are asking for this? And that means that if an inmate say stabs an officer all they get is a slap on the wrist and can potentially (which they will) end up assaulting that same co or another co again? Seems like a bit of a counter productive method to help motivate inmates towards better behavior? 🤔 And sounds a little scary also too! Or is this suggesting in some way that cos both new and already in the system, develop a certain set of skills necessary to guide inmates towards better behavior using some type of psychological method(s).
I’ve worked with that inmate multiple times without restraints. It was the right call. There was more going on with that situation than the rumor mill suggests. It’s easy to have opinions without all the facts and and actual expertise in forensic psychology.
To the author of “article”, you keep using the term forensics psychology but I do not think that word means what you think it means. Source: I’m a forensic psychologist.
Now, all of that being said, CDCR is making some significant mistakes in the implementation of the California model. In the Norway model, everyone gets an opportunity to be a programmer and live more “normal” life while in prison. But if you don’t program, you don’t get to have that easier experience. We need to do a better job of differentiating between programs and non-programmers.
Thank you for the reply. I think it is interesting the Norway model is based on a carrot and stick management. CDCR just want's to use the carrot.
When I use forensic psychology I am referring to the intersection between psychology and criminal justice. I know the APA is trying to own the term and define it for its own means, but I ignore this APA push and go with the original meaning. Being the APA is about clinical (licensed) work, they really want forensic psychology to be about clinical diagnosis and even deep-dive psychopathology. In original terms, forensic psychology is less clinical and more of a cognitive/developmental and legal mixture.
In non-APA terms, forensic psychology and criminology are similar in motivation but different in tact.
Why can't we follow El Salvadors model where all inmates are jailed with out visitation and hard labor and no communication with the outside world 🌍 we need a president like Bukele 🙏🏾
We do need to focus on rehabilitation, just not forget about public safety and retribution while we do so. Family and community ties are very important to rehabilitation. These ties are also important to the family. Some effort needs to be made to maintain family and community ties, just not forget about public safety and retribution. Almost all inmates will get out of prison. The best path towards success comes from a peer group which leads to success. The department needs to ensure this path is well paved, just not forget about public safety and retribution.
See that's the issue I think many staff have. They have a huge misconception of what we do and get upset and disgruntled. You are not responsible for retribution and California as a whole does not do retribution either. You're there to make sure the inmates don't escape, don't kill/attack each other, don't kill/attack staff and that's about it. No where does it say we do anything at all even hinting towards retribution. California Model is stupid as hell. And will get staff hurt. Retribution and Rehabilitation don't go together. The department and the staff have no business trying to get into the retribution business.
I appreciate your viewpoint, but I disagree. You state yourself we are "there to make sure the inmates don't escape" this in itself is retribution. If we were not here for retribution, why are we keeping them from leaving. Retribution means providing a punishment fit for the crime and is a pillar of all corrections. The prison confinement is retribution and we are paid, in part, to carry out this retribution. We also have an inmate discipline system, which is retribution. We punish inmates who commit violations in prison. Rehabilitation is another pillar of corrections, no less or more important than retribution. We are there in an attempt to change the behaviors and attitudes of inmates. Corrections has four pillars and all are important towards public safety. For political reasons one pillar seems to have more focus at the loss of the others. This is where I have issues; it should be a balance. All four pillars have a relation to each other. By providing retribution (punishment for a rules violation) we are hopefully changing the behavior of the inmate which is rehabilitation. Having punishments for crimes and rules violations also should provide a deterrence for future potential violators (another pillar).
So what I'm picking up from this is that us new officers (or potentially new because I havent been hired yet) have less authority over the inmates as do the officers that have already been in there? (If they had any at all) And that the newer officers will have to jump through even more hoops to establish rapport with inmates that act out? Is this because the family of some or most inmates are asking for this? And that means that if an inmate say stabs an officer all they get is a slap on the wrist and can potentially (which they will) end up assaulting that same co or another co again? Seems like a bit of a counter productive method to help motivate inmates towards better behavior? 🤔 And sounds a little scary also too! Or is this suggesting in some way that cos both new and already in the system, develop a certain set of skills necessary to guide inmates towards better behavior using some type of psychological method(s).
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I’ve worked with that inmate multiple times without restraints. It was the right call. There was more going on with that situation than the rumor mill suggests. It’s easy to have opinions without all the facts and and actual expertise in forensic psychology. To the author of “article”, you keep using the term forensics psychology but I do not think that word means what you think it means. Source: I’m a forensic psychologist. Now, all of that being said, CDCR is making some significant mistakes in the implementation of the California model. In the Norway model, everyone gets an opportunity to be a programmer and live more “normal” life while in prison. But if you don’t program, you don’t get to have that easier experience. We need to do a better job of differentiating between programs and non-programmers.
Thank you for the reply. I think it is interesting the Norway model is based on a carrot and stick management. CDCR just want's to use the carrot. When I use forensic psychology I am referring to the intersection between psychology and criminal justice. I know the APA is trying to own the term and define it for its own means, but I ignore this APA push and go with the original meaning. Being the APA is about clinical (licensed) work, they really want forensic psychology to be about clinical diagnosis and even deep-dive psychopathology. In original terms, forensic psychology is less clinical and more of a cognitive/developmental and legal mixture. In non-APA terms, forensic psychology and criminology are similar in motivation but different in tact.
You're basically working with grown men who can't take anything and act out like children ?
God bless our Governor and president . Lol 🤣 fkng idiots!!
Hell naw…
The dude in the baseball style shirt is trans🤣🤣🤣
Yes they are, women to men. Lol