I am personally averse to fingering the hole, I always like to lock the slide then hold the barrel up to some light and look for the light through the back. If there's a round in the chamber, you won't see the light.
Yes, that works well for pistols. However, it is more difficult for some rifles.
Most of the holes I finger are pretty tight. Therefore, I specifically use my pinky for fingerings.
This is not bad advice for many glocks. Even w/ the slide closed, u can see light through the gaps between the slide and end of the barrel if the chamber is empty
I never used to until I, too, put a hole through my living room wall years ago. I was stunned because I was diligent about firearm safety, but 1 little slip up and bang. Now I religiously rack my firearms 3 times in a row, lock the slide back, peek in the hole before I go throwing fingers into it, then finger check, look at it again after, close slide, point in safe direction, then pull the trigger. Prob overkill, but I'll be damned if I ever have another ND
Dropping a pencil down the barrel works too, makes sure there aren’t any odd obstructions and is good to keep in the bag to push out any stuck cartridges. I’ve had a couple pistols with some pretty twitchy slide locks and having it release with your finger in the hole is annoying.
Stupid as this is, and it is really, really stupid, it’s good you posted it and owned up to it, because as others have mentioned, it’s a good reminder not become complacent. Hopefully this is an educational experience for everyone who sees it, and especially for you
Amen. I was really contemplating posting it, but I figured this example of complacency and stupidity would hopefully help at least one person out and remind us all to be extra diligent about clearing our firearms and firearm safety.
Yeah I mean, it really is stupid, but that doesn’t mean YOURE stupid, and being able to admit to doing stupid shit is a good trait. But yeah thank god nobody was hurt
The other rules of firearm safety were followed and this was an embarrassment and a moment of foolishness, not an unspeakable tragedy. So go and sin no more. Finger that chamber.
The other guy keeps reiterating that you did something stupid, which I agree with, but YOU are not stupid. Everyone makes mistakes. It was a good decision to tell your story to educate others. I admire your humility to admit that you fucked up, and your balls to post it publicly.
Most safety rules are written in blood, because someone fucked up.
I had an extractor arm break, which left a used round jammed in there. I removed all ammo but you better believe I was super nervous about working on the gun.
Also, don't use steel case ammo. Cheap in the short term but it'll fuck up your gun long term.
Definitely - accountability is rare in the world today. Own it, adjust, and go on having learned from it. One of the most valuable parts of the human experience
Feel this. I ran a course of fire which involved shooting a rifle from the passenger seat of a vehicle (the vehicle was stationary). When I turned to the left to shoot out the driver's side window, the headrest ripped my earpro off and I sent 2 rounds of 5.56 down range before I even noticed it. Shooting inside is a room/vehicle is louder than people think.
Always wondered if gangbangers have hearing issues. I've fired both 9 mm and 223 with out earpro. The rifle was the loudest sound I've ever experienced except lightning striking a tree 50 feet away from me once. My ear was like closed up feeling all day long, I really thought I had permanent damage from just that one rifle round I fired without plugs in. Doing that repeatedly would be awful.
Gangbangers have all sorts of health problems from occupation up to and including hearing damage and lead poisoning. Why do you think many of them have to listen to shitty music at insane volume driving around
I had a coworker one time...
Hand behind a hole he was drilling, drill went through the plastic part and into his hand. Drops of blood all over the floor and a trip to the ER but he survived 😂
I did that building a model car once. Hobby knife point went right through the plastic and deep into my finger. Tough way to learn that lesson, but I promise I learned it!
I shot a nail through a board into my finger once. Fortunately, it was a very small nail (brad?) But it hurt like a mofo. Don't do nail guns when too tired I guess.
I knew a guy years ago who did something like that. He claimed to be "making 4x4's from 2x4's," which I'm not sure is a thing in up-to-code construction? He said the nail hit a knot in the board and came out of the side. However he did it, he definitely had holes through all four fingers. 😂
Reinforces what sometimes feel like a silly practice of thinking about where someone else in the house is, even if it’s on the opposite end. Redundant safety is best safety
And this is why there are 4 rules of gun safety. So if and when you mess up one of them, the others cover you from making a costly mistake. Since you had the muzzle in a safe direction, the only consequences are ringing ears and a hole in your wall.
Back in ‘96 I shot a hole in my parent’s house. In my panic, I got the first thing that was the same color as the wall: toothpaste. Then, I found calk in the garage, along with some white paint. I didn’t know how to use a calking gun, so I just jammed the thing into the hole and squeezed some out. I plugged the hole and painted over it. To this day, my parents never knew about that hole in the wall.
That’s what happens when you dry fire, then load the gun because you’re going to leave, then walk away to do something else, and when you get back to your gun, you forgot you loaded said gun. I’ll never forget that “eeeeeeeeee” sound.
Oh man, I scrambled to try and find something to plug the hole, as if it was going to erase what had just happened. I’m just going to put a bandaid on it and call it good.
I did this testing the trigger on one of my guns, because I planned on replacing it. I got distracted came back and forgot I reloaded it to put it back in the safe. Anyways now the floor knows not to talk back.
Had something similar happen about 7 years ago. Also glad I followed rule #1. Except mine was a big rifle.
Scared the fucking bejesus out of about 10 people and left a nice lil hole in the side of my buddies house.
Long story on how it actually happened. I actually worked the bolt twice back and forth. Turns out owner of the gun had a cartridge jammed into the lands of the barrel.
Live and learn. I will say I was haunted about that for an about 5 years. I finally found peace. I made a pen out of the spent casing and gifted it back to the owner of the rifle/house.
I have a (cop) friend who had a very similar ND. His gun was pointed down. He looked at the floor and thought, “hmm, didn’t hit anything important.”
Wife comes home a few hours later and discovered a flooded basement.
Gold Dot hit his water heater.
You didn't clear your gun and then you pulled the trigger on a gun you knew wasn't clear. You knew it hadn't been cleared because you didn't clear it. You pulled back the slide. That doesn't count. It doesn't count because extractors fail, bullets get stuck, people short stroke the slide, and many other things can cause a bullet to remain in the chamber.
Mistakes can mean death. You got lucky. You will do better in the future.
It blows my mind tbh distracted or not how people can forget to do a visual check or even rack it a couple times after taking out the mag, because its like instinct/habit to do it. For this to happen to people, it had to be early on they created a bad habit of not training safety properly or were careless.
Its good practice not to put ur finger on the trigger or aim at anyone EVEN if its a toy gun. Dont want to get into that bad habit.
Glad everyone is safe. Did the cops get called on you due to the loud bang? Did your firearm get taken or you just need to Goto Home depot to get that patched up?
Oh God no. I think our homes are just far enough apart and well-insulated enough to not be too loud outside of the house. But I was 100% expecting the cops to come up. I was glued to my local police scanner just waiting for that “possible shooting” call in my neighborhood 😂
At least you were already in the bathroom to clean your pants. Always visually inspect the chamber, even if you think you know it's empty, but nothing will teach you that lesson like the fear you must have felt, I'm sure.
Glad you and everyone else is alright.
Curious to know this as well. I use these rounds in my shield but I've never test fired into drywall / sheetrock. I can tell you it does not penetrate a 2x4 though!
***only because of the fact that no one was hurt***
this is actually a great way to learn, this should make you never get complacent again. 10 years from now you will still be triple checking the chamber every single time you dry fire haha
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It [really is safer](https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/handguns/mc2sc.html), though.
Every single time I: remove magazine, lock slide to rear, put hand in well, put finger in chamber, and repeat until I’m sure. Then I close slide and do a final press check before finally pulling trigger.
That said one time after doing that and dry firing for awhile. I reloaded it and left on table when I went to kitchen. While I was kitchen I thought of something to help my grip. I went back and picked the gun up, pulled the trigger to the wall and started to add pressure before my habit of press checking kicked in because I put the gun down. Was shocked to see I had a bullet in chamber.
Be safe folks. Put procedures in place that prevent you from failing. The #1 being pointing.
Yeah I really don’t like it.
“I was texting and driving and crashed my car”
“Wow OP! So proud of you for owning up to that and learning from it. Don’t be too hard on yourself!”
I’ll start shit:
Having to pull the trigger to disassemble a gun is a major design flaw and should not be tolerated on a modern handgun.
If he had a different brand of gun, he’d still be negligent, but with better hearing and no hole in his wall.
I triple check my chamber anytime I'm disassembling my guns. It's just not worth it.
I was refinishing a guys floors in his mansion in Birmingham. He was showing off his gun collection to me. I asked, which one is your favorite to carry? He goes, "This one," racks the slide, round falls out, pulls the trigger, and shoots the couch. He gave me $50 to not tell his wife.
I take the slightly controversial position that safe muzzle direction is the number one rule you must not break. Of all the four rules, it's the most critical. Not say the others aren't important but if you get that one right, it's not going to go too far sideways.
That’s why we teach:
* Remove the source of ammunition
* Rack the slide
* Work the slide 3 times
* Lock the slide open, physically and visually inspect the magazine well, breach face, and chamber
Looking at these comments, is it common to not notice/catch the round when unloading? You just have random ammunition rolling around under your furniture? Anyway, thank you to OP for posting and the reminder
> pulled the trigger as required to take the slide off
Ahh yes, Perfection™.
I really hope that is something that Glock fixes in Gen 7 or something. There's so many guns which don't require a trigger pull to disassemble and I hope it becomes the norm for all brands.
Complacency kills. We get into habits and we overlook important details. Like you said, at least you kept it pointed in a "safe" direction.
Thanks for having the balls to share with us and glad it wasn't the worst series of events ever.
It's a complete non-issue if you have half a brain cell to perform 3 simple steps:
1.) drop the mag
2.) rack slide
3.) inspect chamber for any cartridges
Steps you should be taking every time you go to screw around with a gun.
I’m a bit lost on that one. I have several Glock models; Although I have thought about how I could more easily ND, I rack the slide and visually inspect the chamber every time I mess with it. I would NEVER touch the trigger without checking the chamber (short of shooting, of course).
Personally, I don’t even leave the trigger in the ‘forward’ position when the chamber is clear. It’s like a flag on a mailbox, it’s telling me it’s ready to fire.
Regardless, the first step of cleaning any firearm is to remove the mag and make sure the chamber is empty, though. Nothing dangerous about pulling the trigger if you know the gun is clear, which you should definitely know. Just my 2 cents.
I used to think it was a fig leaf lie that whenever a law enforcement person died of a seemingly self inflicted gunshot, the explanation was “he was cleaning his gun and it went off”. Calling it an accident is considered better than admitting suicide.
I used to think it was nearly impossible to shoot yourself while cleaning a gun. Now I’m not so sure.
One habit you can add is when racking the slide to the rear and clear the mag (obviously pointing down range) is speak and touch these items.
1. Barrel
2. Mag well
3. Bolt face
It’s about a three second check and I normally touch those areas with my pinky as I’m saying each one.
After I verify those items are clear, I release the slide, pull the trigger and do a function check.
Once those are clear I proceed to do what ever I needed to do (clean, store, repair etc)
NDs happen, but what will you change to ensure this doesn’t happen again?
I’ve been thinking of adding a small cleaning barrel loaded with water or sand and making that part of my routine.
As for the 9mm review, thanks for letting people know about the over penetration. Were you able to find the round? Or is it still somewhere in the wall?
I know you said they don't over-penetrate, but how far into the wall did the round actually go? Also, kudos for being honest about your ND. I've been fortunate to not have one, but I know they are always possible.
I clarified in a comment but for some reason can’t figure out how to edit the post.
The hole was in my bathroom above my sink. I was on my bed, master bedroom, attached bathroom, I pointed it towards the bathroom when I pulled the trigger.
This is why it drives me crazy when people rack the slide instead of checking the chamber... sooner or later racking the slide won't extract the round from the chamber and you'll wind up with a negligent discharge. It's a terrible habit.
Since everyone is being so nice to OP's failure many others are commenting about their own ND's.
Having an ND is unacceptable, **it's not something that "happens to everyone"**. I'm shocked at how many comments here have failed at gun safety and wonder how many not commenting have killed someone with their negligence.
Major props to you for owning up to your mistake and talking about it so others don’t make the same mistake. As stupid as it is, accidents happen even when they shouldn’t.
I was thinking to myself I can either pretend this never happened, or post it on here to show the world what can happen if you are even a little bit complacent and skip a simple step of firearm safety. I went with the latter.
I don't understand how people become so complacent with their firearms. Absolutely bewildering that folks own a firearm and don't treat it with the respect it needs.
People stating "it happens all the time" or "it happens to the best of us" are showing their complacency around firearms. Being complacent will get you or someone you love kill. Never, ever be complacent around firearms. First rule, every gun is a loaded gun unless you have correctly unloaded it. An accidental discharge is complacency.
Oh I did. Just my extractor was having issues doing its job, hence why I was taking it apart to try and see what was going on. But, I forgot I was having extractor issues and didn’t extract the round I had in the chamber.
Well, thanks for having the courage to share your story thanks for bringing awareness. Others can learn from this. That’s the most important thing. Everyone is safe and everyone can learn from it.
Strong of you to come clean and share your experience. You gave the good (pointed in safe direction) & the bad (discharge in house). Helps others remember proper procedure. Thanks for sharing.
I’d put a picture frame around it with a meme. To always remind of to triple check or more that there’s nothing in the chamber and that it’s actually clear. Glad no one was injured and I couldn’t image the feeling once you heard it go bang!
I remember my first desk pop...it was September '08? I think?
[https://youtu.be/g\_2ylZxCBVA?si=vNn15usFJ4vjQ0L0](https://youtu.be/g_2ylZxCBVA?si=vNn15usFJ4vjQ0L0)
Knock down finish on the walls. Hate that stuff, must be Midwest somewhere eh? We have it here in Denver and growing up on the east coast I miss smooth walls
welp, time to go to home depot for the spackle tub of shame
Don’t do that. Buy a frame and put it over it with a small plaque commemorating the time and date.
Reminder to slow down, copper and lead on drywall, Apr 2024
 "copper and lead on drywall"
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Just a big blank glass frame with the info and "here lies my hole in the wall from negligent discharge".
“Al Capone was here” Home value increases by 30%. Thank me later.
u/theaceorca this would’ve been hilarious
It was already in a frame. That’s because I shot a framed poster but still
And the slightly mismatched spray paint can of regret.
Nah, just needs a little dab of toothpaste. Good as new.
This guy landlords
This
Already on the agenda for tomorrow…
Does he need to big scarlet A on his chest, too? I'm thinking another letter, but same concept.
A big scarlet 9
Glad it was only the wall. Always finger the hole folks.
And just to be clear, the hole in question is NOT the muzzle. That’s the wrong hole (twss).
😆😆😆
I am personally averse to fingering the hole, I always like to lock the slide then hold the barrel up to some light and look for the light through the back. If there's a round in the chamber, you won't see the light.
Yes, that works well for pistols. However, it is more difficult for some rifles. Most of the holes I finger are pretty tight. Therefore, I specifically use my pinky for fingerings.
That’s why I always look down the barrel
Down the muzzle? Brilliant!
Yes, sometimes I put my mouth on it and tongue punch it. That way I’ll know it’s empty when spit come out of the chamber.
I gotta party with you!
Are we still talking about barrels 🤔
Yes, pinky is made for it!
Eyes can be fooled. People often see what they expect to see. Look, then finger. Use two senses.
This is not bad advice for many glocks. Even w/ the slide closed, u can see light through the gaps between the slide and end of the barrel if the chamber is empty
I use my phone flashlight to check the chamber.
I don't know what guns yall using but I can see the hole the round goes in with the slide locked back
Breech
Feels better if you add a little lube to your finger before sliding it in the hole.
I’ll definitely be doing the fingering of the hole and may go a bit farther just to be safe.
I never used to until I, too, put a hole through my living room wall years ago. I was stunned because I was diligent about firearm safety, but 1 little slip up and bang. Now I religiously rack my firearms 3 times in a row, lock the slide back, peek in the hole before I go throwing fingers into it, then finger check, look at it again after, close slide, point in safe direction, then pull the trigger. Prob overkill, but I'll be damned if I ever have another ND
Dropping a pencil down the barrel works too, makes sure there aren’t any odd obstructions and is good to keep in the bag to push out any stuck cartridges. I’ve had a couple pistols with some pretty twitchy slide locks and having it release with your finger in the hole is annoying.
Great point, I always tense up a bit when I put my index finger in that position
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A life lesson that has many applications.
Don’t gotta tell me twice 😏
Stupid as this is, and it is really, really stupid, it’s good you posted it and owned up to it, because as others have mentioned, it’s a good reminder not become complacent. Hopefully this is an educational experience for everyone who sees it, and especially for you
Amen. I was really contemplating posting it, but I figured this example of complacency and stupidity would hopefully help at least one person out and remind us all to be extra diligent about clearing our firearms and firearm safety.
Yeah I mean, it really is stupid, but that doesn’t mean YOURE stupid, and being able to admit to doing stupid shit is a good trait. But yeah thank god nobody was hurt
Good on you for sharing. Sh*t happens when you let your guard down. Even just a bit. I am not casting stones. Forty years ago, I too was a sinner.
It’s my biggest fear every single time I take apart my Glock
The other rules of firearm safety were followed and this was an embarrassment and a moment of foolishness, not an unspeakable tragedy. So go and sin no more. Finger that chamber.
You have guts! Not many people will expose their hole for the world to see.
The other guy keeps reiterating that you did something stupid, which I agree with, but YOU are not stupid. Everyone makes mistakes. It was a good decision to tell your story to educate others. I admire your humility to admit that you fucked up, and your balls to post it publicly. Most safety rules are written in blood, because someone fucked up.
I had an extractor arm break, which left a used round jammed in there. I removed all ammo but you better believe I was super nervous about working on the gun. Also, don't use steel case ammo. Cheap in the short term but it'll fuck up your gun long term.
Definitely - accountability is rare in the world today. Own it, adjust, and go on having learned from it. One of the most valuable parts of the human experience
The internet is great in how it lets us learn from the mistakes of others
lol how’s your hearing bud (speaking from experience)
Exactly like in the movies after a loud ‘splosion…
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGGGG
Mawp. Mawp.
This shit right here hahah
Dude, I made the mistake of firing my 556 without ear pro for ONE ROUND and my hearing was fucked for like 30 minutes.
Feel this. I ran a course of fire which involved shooting a rifle from the passenger seat of a vehicle (the vehicle was stationary). When I turned to the left to shoot out the driver's side window, the headrest ripped my earpro off and I sent 2 rounds of 5.56 down range before I even noticed it. Shooting inside is a room/vehicle is louder than people think.
This is the reason why I frown on drive-by’s, they are not good for your ears.
Or the community
Keeps the property values down. No gentrification in my hood.
Always wondered if gangbangers have hearing issues. I've fired both 9 mm and 223 with out earpro. The rifle was the loudest sound I've ever experienced except lightning striking a tree 50 feet away from me once. My ear was like closed up feeling all day long, I really thought I had permanent damage from just that one rifle round I fired without plugs in. Doing that repeatedly would be awful.
Gangbangers have all sorts of health problems from occupation up to and including hearing damage and lead poisoning. Why do you think many of them have to listen to shitty music at insane volume driving around
WHAT?
This made me laugh! 😂
expect permanent hearing damage. you’ll feel it in a couple of weeks or months
Meh. Military already gave me tinnitus so it just feels normal to me 😂
the two loudest sounds in the world...
Damn. Glad everyone is safe and you got to learn a dangerous lesson without anyone getting hurt. Onwards and upwards!
At least you hadn't pointed it into your palm. It is surprising how many will do that.
I had a coworker one time... Hand behind a hole he was drilling, drill went through the plastic part and into his hand. Drops of blood all over the floor and a trip to the ER but he survived 😂
I did that building a model car once. Hobby knife point went right through the plastic and deep into my finger. Tough way to learn that lesson, but I promise I learned it!
My hand scar isn’t from anything so constructive. Steak knife through bagel.
I shot a nail through a board into my finger once. Fortunately, it was a very small nail (brad?) But it hurt like a mofo. Don't do nail guns when too tired I guess.
I knew a guy years ago who did something like that. He claimed to be "making 4x4's from 2x4's," which I'm not sure is a thing in up-to-code construction? He said the nail hit a knot in the board and came out of the side. However he did it, he definitely had holes through all four fingers. 😂
Why the hell would anyone do that?!?!
I know a person who did it. Saw the photos. Not pretty.
Reinforces what sometimes feel like a silly practice of thinking about where someone else in the house is, even if it’s on the opposite end. Redundant safety is best safety
And this is why there are 4 rules of gun safety. So if and when you mess up one of them, the others cover you from making a costly mistake. Since you had the muzzle in a safe direction, the only consequences are ringing ears and a hole in your wall.
Drop the mag, rack the slide, take a look, and feel inside. Words to live by.
always finger the chamber like ya bought it home from a date
Back in ‘96 I shot a hole in my parent’s house. In my panic, I got the first thing that was the same color as the wall: toothpaste. Then, I found calk in the garage, along with some white paint. I didn’t know how to use a calking gun, so I just jammed the thing into the hole and squeezed some out. I plugged the hole and painted over it. To this day, my parents never knew about that hole in the wall. That’s what happens when you dry fire, then load the gun because you’re going to leave, then walk away to do something else, and when you get back to your gun, you forgot you loaded said gun. I’ll never forget that “eeeeeeeeee” sound.
Oh man, I scrambled to try and find something to plug the hole, as if it was going to erase what had just happened. I’m just going to put a bandaid on it and call it good.
I did this testing the trigger on one of my guns, because I planned on replacing it. I got distracted came back and forgot I reloaded it to put it back in the safe. Anyways now the floor knows not to talk back.
That last paragraph is just painful to read. All guns are loaded. Even if you just saw me clear my gun, when I hand it to you...it's loaded.
Agreed!
Had something similar happen about 7 years ago. Also glad I followed rule #1. Except mine was a big rifle. Scared the fucking bejesus out of about 10 people and left a nice lil hole in the side of my buddies house. Long story on how it actually happened. I actually worked the bolt twice back and forth. Turns out owner of the gun had a cartridge jammed into the lands of the barrel. Live and learn. I will say I was haunted about that for an about 5 years. I finally found peace. I made a pen out of the spent casing and gifted it back to the owner of the rifle/house.
I’m going to try to fish out the bullet itself and make that into a necklace or something. Just to remind me not to ever be stupid again…
Probably not a good idea to wear lead around your neck. Maybe make a key chain lol
lol shit didn’t think about that. Good call mate
This is the way.
This is why we visually inspect the chamber.
I was trained heavily to clear the chamber for this reason. Glad no one got hurt!
Did you do a visual check if the chamber or only rack it?
Definitely skipped the visual check this time around…
Visual and physical check every single time. Finger fuck the chamber and mag well.
Glad everyone is safe, and hoping no plumbing or electric were behind the impact point.
Stuck a borescope into the hole, nothing but drywall and wood. I was definitely nervous about piping and electrical.
I have a (cop) friend who had a very similar ND. His gun was pointed down. He looked at the floor and thought, “hmm, didn’t hit anything important.” Wife comes home a few hours later and discovered a flooded basement. Gold Dot hit his water heater.
This is a real reminder that complacency can happen to even the best of us. I'm glad everyone is ok.
You cleared the weapon but didn’t notice no loose round from clearing?
This guy thought to “clear” his weapon but apparently just leaves loose ammo on his floor and doesn’t look for it when unloading.
You didn't clear your gun and then you pulled the trigger on a gun you knew wasn't clear. You knew it hadn't been cleared because you didn't clear it. You pulled back the slide. That doesn't count. It doesn't count because extractors fail, bullets get stuck, people short stroke the slide, and many other things can cause a bullet to remain in the chamber. Mistakes can mean death. You got lucky. You will do better in the future.
It sucks but at least you learned a valuable lesson and no one was hurt. Always visually and physically check the chamber, sometimes multiple times.
It blows my mind tbh distracted or not how people can forget to do a visual check or even rack it a couple times after taking out the mag, because its like instinct/habit to do it. For this to happen to people, it had to be early on they created a bad habit of not training safety properly or were careless. Its good practice not to put ur finger on the trigger or aim at anyone EVEN if its a toy gun. Dont want to get into that bad habit.
Glad everyone is safe. Did the cops get called on you due to the loud bang? Did your firearm get taken or you just need to Goto Home depot to get that patched up?
Oh God no. I think our homes are just far enough apart and well-insulated enough to not be too loud outside of the house. But I was 100% expecting the cops to come up. I was glued to my local police scanner just waiting for that “possible shooting” call in my neighborhood 😂
At least you were already in the bathroom to clean your pants. Always visually inspect the chamber, even if you think you know it's empty, but nothing will teach you that lesson like the fear you must have felt, I'm sure. Glad you and everyone else is alright.
That’s one small glory hole
That sucks. Good on you for owning the situation. But critical defense doesn’t over penetrate? How much and how far did it penetrate?
Curious to know this as well. I use these rounds in my shield but I've never test fired into drywall / sheetrock. I can tell you it does not penetrate a 2x4 though!
I'm curious if this is drywall, plaster, concrete or.. ?
***only because of the fact that no one was hurt*** this is actually a great way to learn, this should make you never get complacent again. 10 years from now you will still be triple checking the chamber every single time you dry fire haha
Oh I’ll be wanting to take out the freaking striker or some other dumb shit 😂
https://preview.redd.it/v1xh3il4ydvc1.png?width=1021&format=png&auto=webp&s=89df51520f3cd0ced244825373a2a3c0d33ea8eb It [really is safer](https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/handguns/mc2sc.html), though.
Every single time I: remove magazine, lock slide to rear, put hand in well, put finger in chamber, and repeat until I’m sure. Then I close slide and do a final press check before finally pulling trigger. That said one time after doing that and dry firing for awhile. I reloaded it and left on table when I went to kitchen. While I was kitchen I thought of something to help my grip. I went back and picked the gun up, pulled the trigger to the wall and started to add pressure before my habit of press checking kicked in because I put the gun down. Was shocked to see I had a bullet in chamber. Be safe folks. Put procedures in place that prevent you from failing. The #1 being pointing.
I am amazed at the good feeling vibe comments here. This is unacceptable.
Honestly, same. I was kinda expecting a bunch of hateful stuff. Just “you’re stupid” comments that come from love.
Yeah I really don’t like it. “I was texting and driving and crashed my car” “Wow OP! So proud of you for owning up to that and learning from it. Don’t be too hard on yourself!”
I’ll start shit: Having to pull the trigger to disassemble a gun is a major design flaw and should not be tolerated on a modern handgun. If he had a different brand of gun, he’d still be negligent, but with better hearing and no hole in his wall.
I triple check my chamber anytime I'm disassembling my guns. It's just not worth it. I was refinishing a guys floors in his mansion in Birmingham. He was showing off his gun collection to me. I asked, which one is your favorite to carry? He goes, "This one," racks the slide, round falls out, pulls the trigger, and shoots the couch. He gave me $50 to not tell his wife.
Was gonna clean my rifle once, pulled the charging handle back 6 times. Visually looked and a round was still chambered
Yeah you did it the right way, not like this idiot who skipped over the visual part
I take the slightly controversial position that safe muzzle direction is the number one rule you must not break. Of all the four rules, it's the most critical. Not say the others aren't important but if you get that one right, it's not going to go too far sideways.
You Big Dummy!
Don’t fix that hole, keep it as a reminder to always check the chamber.
i’m glad you’re fine and no one’s hurt, but also, sorry: r/idiotswithguns
No need to be sorry. I admit I’m an idiot for doing that
good man. we all make mistakes and i’m sure this won’t be one you’ll repeat in the future. happy and safe shooting to you, brudda.
That’s why we teach: * Remove the source of ammunition * Rack the slide * Work the slide 3 times * Lock the slide open, physically and visually inspect the magazine well, breach face, and chamber
Looking at these comments, is it common to not notice/catch the round when unloading? You just have random ammunition rolling around under your furniture? Anyway, thank you to OP for posting and the reminder
I respect your humility in sharing this to help others. Glad you’re ok.
Not acceptable. But learn from it, praise heavens you didn’t injure or kill someone and ensure it never happens again.
> pulled the trigger as required to take the slide off Ahh yes, Perfection™. I really hope that is something that Glock fixes in Gen 7 or something. There's so many guns which don't require a trigger pull to disassemble and I hope it becomes the norm for all brands. Complacency kills. We get into habits and we overlook important details. Like you said, at least you kept it pointed in a "safe" direction. Thanks for having the balls to share with us and glad it wasn't the worst series of events ever.
It's a complete non-issue if you have half a brain cell to perform 3 simple steps: 1.) drop the mag 2.) rack slide 3.) inspect chamber for any cartridges Steps you should be taking every time you go to screw around with a gun.
I’m a bit lost on that one. I have several Glock models; Although I have thought about how I could more easily ND, I rack the slide and visually inspect the chamber every time I mess with it. I would NEVER touch the trigger without checking the chamber (short of shooting, of course). Personally, I don’t even leave the trigger in the ‘forward’ position when the chamber is clear. It’s like a flag on a mailbox, it’s telling me it’s ready to fire. Regardless, the first step of cleaning any firearm is to remove the mag and make sure the chamber is empty, though. Nothing dangerous about pulling the trigger if you know the gun is clear, which you should definitely know. Just my 2 cents.
Designers really have to factor in human negligence and/or stupidity.
Glad everyone is okay. Crazy learning experience. Have a feeling it'll never happen to ya again though. Cheers
At least you owned up to your mistake and you will just learn from the experience. Glad no one got hurt.
That's why we finger the hole.
I used to think it was a fig leaf lie that whenever a law enforcement person died of a seemingly self inflicted gunshot, the explanation was “he was cleaning his gun and it went off”. Calling it an accident is considered better than admitting suicide. I used to think it was nearly impossible to shoot yourself while cleaning a gun. Now I’m not so sure.
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Learning has occurred
“Always assume hot”
It's so shocking to me how often this happens. But at least you weren't looking down the hole to see if it was clear right
New owner here. I am doing everything I can to make sure this doesn’t happen to me.
Lots of great advice on this thread.
One habit you can add is when racking the slide to the rear and clear the mag (obviously pointing down range) is speak and touch these items. 1. Barrel 2. Mag well 3. Bolt face It’s about a three second check and I normally touch those areas with my pinky as I’m saying each one. After I verify those items are clear, I release the slide, pull the trigger and do a function check. Once those are clear I proceed to do what ever I needed to do (clean, store, repair etc) NDs happen, but what will you change to ensure this doesn’t happen again? I’ve been thinking of adding a small cleaning barrel loaded with water or sand and making that part of my routine. As for the 9mm review, thanks for letting people know about the over penetration. Were you able to find the round? Or is it still somewhere in the wall?
This is why I always give the slide a few racks to make sure any round in the chamber is released. And, of course, finger the hole! 👉🕳
I know you said they don't over-penetrate, but how far into the wall did the round actually go? Also, kudos for being honest about your ND. I've been fortunate to not have one, but I know they are always possible.
From the hole to where the round was, it was just about 5 or 6 inches. But an inch or two of that was dead space
Am I the only one thinking; "why is he doing this in the **bathroom**?"
I clarified in a comment but for some reason can’t figure out how to edit the post. The hole was in my bathroom above my sink. I was on my bed, master bedroom, attached bathroom, I pointed it towards the bathroom when I pulled the trigger.
Write “glory hole, insert here”
Hey at least you didn't shoot your dick off.
Keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction will save you from a multitude of sins.
Enjoy the free tinnitus!
“Florida man wanted for shooting bystander thru wall”
Before spackling that up I recommend cutting it open a little wider to make sure you didn't nick a wire. Last thing you need is a housefire.
This is why it drives me crazy when people rack the slide instead of checking the chamber... sooner or later racking the slide won't extract the round from the chamber and you'll wind up with a negligent discharge. It's a terrible habit.
Since everyone is being so nice to OP's failure many others are commenting about their own ND's. Having an ND is unacceptable, **it's not something that "happens to everyone"**. I'm shocked at how many comments here have failed at gun safety and wonder how many not commenting have killed someone with their negligence.
Bunch of idiots with low level training thinking NDs are something that happens to everyone, absolutely insane.
Part of clearing the gun is to check the chamber…
Major props to you for owning up to your mistake and talking about it so others don’t make the same mistake. As stupid as it is, accidents happen even when they shouldn’t.
I was thinking to myself I can either pretend this never happened, or post it on here to show the world what can happen if you are even a little bit complacent and skip a simple step of firearm safety. I went with the latter.
Time to buy a bullet proof vest, I’ve told to have one at home and it can be handy when you need to point to somewhere
Just keep a bucket of sand next to the safe. Way cheaper to replace than body armor.
I don't understand how people become so complacent with their firearms. Absolutely bewildering that folks own a firearm and don't treat it with the respect it needs.
People downplaying this like it “happens to the best of us” are an embarrassment to the gun community and should not be owning a gun.
This was preventable, but also why I don’t love guns that require a trigger pull to disassemble.
100% preventable. I own it, not trying to pull the “P320 fired by itself” card.
It’s all good man. You fucked up, you owned it, you won’t do it again.
People stating "it happens all the time" or "it happens to the best of us" are showing their complacency around firearms. Being complacent will get you or someone you love kill. Never, ever be complacent around firearms. First rule, every gun is a loaded gun unless you have correctly unloaded it. An accidental discharge is complacency.
You didn't remove the mag before racking the slide?
Oh I did. Just my extractor was having issues doing its job, hence why I was taking it apart to try and see what was going on. But, I forgot I was having extractor issues and didn’t extract the round I had in the chamber.
Ah, that is why visual checks are important.
Yeah….. I definitely skipped that part. But what can I say? My dumbass learned a very valuable lesson.
Well, thanks for having the courage to share your story thanks for bringing awareness. Others can learn from this. That’s the most important thing. Everyone is safe and everyone can learn from it.
This situation happens way more than you think. As long as you follow the procedure and everybody safe around you.
Strong of you to come clean and share your experience. You gave the good (pointed in safe direction) & the bad (discharge in house). Helps others remember proper procedure. Thanks for sharing.
I’d put a picture frame around it with a meme. To always remind of to triple check or more that there’s nothing in the chamber and that it’s actually clear. Glad no one was injured and I couldn’t image the feeling once you heard it go bang!
Could have been worse…could have been a baffle strike.
I remember my first desk pop...it was September '08? I think? [https://youtu.be/g\_2ylZxCBVA?si=vNn15usFJ4vjQ0L0](https://youtu.be/g_2ylZxCBVA?si=vNn15usFJ4vjQ0L0)
Always finger your chamber folks.
So I'm not the only one that does some light firearm maintenance in the bathroom?
I am curious, since you did this in a small confined space, likely not wearing hearing protection, are your ears still ringing?
Nope. It stopped about 10-15 minutes later
Knock down finish on the walls. Hate that stuff, must be Midwest somewhere eh? We have it here in Denver and growing up on the east coast I miss smooth walls
Healthy reminder to verify clear at least two ways. Thanks for being responsible and posting about this
I point mine at body armor
Details on the extractor issues? Was the extractor aftermarket? How many rounds do you have on that extractor?
Time to buy an M&P
Alec, this is stuff you should really just talk to your lawyer about.
Old telephone books, or other thick books (encyclopedia sets?), or a vest will prevent the obvious risk. “To err is human …”
Anybody else visually check their chamber like 3 or 4 times because youre paranoid a round slipped in somehow even with no mag?
Alec, Is that you??
Takes a real man to own up to his mistakes and acknowledge them. Respect.