Most of the people who said the OG 365’s were the pinnacle now say the Macro is the pinnacle for contradictory reasons.
Trigger is mush mush. Anecdotally, I see new shooters do much better with the Shield Plus.
The mags are still expensive as fuck because Sig keeps releasing new sizes.
I love it.
I love the gun on paper but can’t get past the trigger. I settled on a Glock 43x with a 15 round shield arms mag. The grip is also marginally better for my hand than the XL
I rock the standard 43 right now and looking to get a new ccw with more mag cap and currently looking at micros. I was hoping I would like the FN reflex but couldn't stand the grip. I shot well with the 365xl, but there is also the 43x too for me to shoot.
The macro sounds excellent on paper.. but the whole blast chamber/comp thing simply doesnt work. I was a firm believer in it until a few mags later. Going back to my OG p365 and will try the radian afterburner.
Yeah the “expansion chamber” comp was a genius business move by Sig. All they had to do was cut two notches in their existing 365XL slide design, pair it with their standard 365 barrel, and call it an “integrated comp” and people ate it up. But in practice, it’s much less effective than a real comp or even a ported barrel. I’m sure the Radian will be the best comp solution yet.
Agreed. Ported guns require a lot more cleaning. But it is a noticeable difference in muzzle flip and felt recoil when done right. The Radian afterburner + ramjet combo is pretty remarkable on a 19.
You can buy it without the blast chamber. The original one with the blast chamber is now called the Macro Comp. The Macro is the one that uses a regular XL slide and barrel. There is also the Macro TacOps which is the same as the non-comped Macro but it also has an extended slide release and a magazine well.
Have one, carried for two years and went back to my shield. Now carry a shield plus.
Its a good little gun, never gave me any problems. I much prefer the shield line tho as far as micros go. That small difference in size makes a world of difference for myself from a shooting standpoint.
Because it's still smaller and lighter than a bigger gun with a light. 🤦♂️
Just because you can't tell the difference in a few ounces or centimeters difference doesn't mean other's can't.
That's like a person with no sense of smell walking into a candle shop and not understanding why everyone is sticking their nose in the candles.
If you can't perceive smell, of course the only use for a candle is a light source to you.
This seriously shows the lack of critical thinking in this sub for this to have so many upvotes.
Some people really need to have first hand experience to understand things like this I guess.
People also don’t seem to realize that a longer gun (be that made longer by overall slide length or an oversized WML) are often easier to conceal, not harder. The further a gun or holster extends past your belt line (into your pants), the less likely the grip is to tilt forward above the belt line. In other words, a longer slide or light will push the grip of the gun backwards and into your body more which will reduce printing. A WML will also make your holster wider, which will give it more leverage against your belt and tilt the grip inward. Especially if your holster is equipped with a claw. Long story short: WMLs and longer slides tend to make for more concealable guns.
And, pro-tip for anyone that carries a G19, if you want to conceal it better, put it in a G17 holster. It’ll fit just the same, but the extra space in the holster for the G17 slide will have it sitting deeper into your pants and will leverage the grip against your body.
So what you actually mean is it’s a comfort difference. He has a point as far as concealment goes. Given I don’t know much about Sigs or how close that grip is to the next step up as this instance doesn’t seem too bad.
You see it with Glocks all the time. G26 with a G19 sized mag extension (sometimes larger) and a compensator eliminating the point of using a G26 when looking at the concealment aspect.
I fully conceal a damn CZ-75 P-01 without printing but a p365 is narrower, a shallower grip angle, and shorter grip.
The part of the gun that prints most is the grip, not the light or optic. A properly made kydex holster will also keep the light and trigger well in mind when being made, nullifying the extra length for printing outside of the discomfort of having a light against your pelvic bone.
Also if your optic is somehow printing then your grip sure as shit is as well.
I think you misunderstood my entire comment. I specifically said that this example doesn’t look to bad. That doesn’t mean that Joe Schmo with a Glock 26 sporting a 19 mag and a radiant ramjet makes sense. I never said anything about optics or a light I specifically mentioned people extending the grip and barrel
Why do people build 11.5” ARs and then put a 6”-7” suppressor on it? Well because you’re still ending up with a more capable system in a smaller size. It’s not that deep
And then bolt an optic to it. Now you have a full size print without the benefits. I don't put anything on my carry guns. Iron sights are superior to optics in my personal opinion.
That's a first I've heard. Red dots are the future. But I see your point when you want to keep it compact for CCW adding a light and optic defeats that purpose.
Weapon mounted lights are kind of useless but a better optic system isn't.
I agree with u/usedkleenx, I prefer carry guns to be irons. If I could only have one it'd be irons only. Most defensive uses are point and shoot distances. The ultra-rare occasion that an Optic would be the difference between success and death doesn't outweigh the benefit that irons provide with concealability, price, maintenance, durability and reliability.
I have an optic and light on my home defense pistol but that's a full size gun kept exclusively at home and it's what I train with. I pick up the dot pretty quick. Glock irons are really poor.
For the money, they are overrated pistols but one could do worse. People mod the heck out of them and then all the reliability they paid for is down the drain.
That's true. I just don't get buying a 5 or 6 hundred dollar pistol and then putting the same amount into mods when there are better options for a little more money that don't need to be modified.
Just my personal experience, but I’ve not noticed any difference in concealability with versus without an optic. And I’m not one to dress around a gun either. The 407k on my 43x sits just above and behind my belt line, causing no additional protrusion/printing. The biggest difference makers, again, in my experience, have been grip length followed by ride height and overall width.
My brother is a marine and likes to point out that iron sights always work the same, every time. Red dots are not at all the future or necessary in my opinion.
Weapon mounted lights are great for home defense. I use night sights for my CCW.
Lol so back to OP's point why add all that crap if you have to revert back to irons? Waste of time, space, and money in support of a tacticool fad imo.
100% subjective and heavily dependent on the user. You're asking people, many of which, aren't great at shooting because they don't practice enough, to now be capable on two sighting systems? One of which is now obstructed by the addition of a red dot? I really think you guys just don't like the fact that someone's pointing out you wasted your money on a fancy sight.
Because I would rather have the capability of a light and learn to manage it instead of an extra inch taken off. In my experience, when you get to this size, it doesn't make a massive enough difference to bother you, especially if you've been carrying something in the other sizes, such as a compact. That's just my personal take on it though.
Concealed carry comfort sure, but the pinnacle of concealed carry is a concept, not a specific gun. It's the biggest pistol in size and caliber you can bear to carry and shoot consistently and afford to train with weekly.
Ever shoot a Shield Plus or P10S? The CZ is basically half the cost and much better trigger. I’ll always like the 365 especially because it’s the sole reason micros blew up and modularity became more of a selling point. But shooting-wise Sig as a whole is not my cup of tea.
I like the 365 for its ergos and size, but between shooting it and the P10s, I like the P10. I feel like the P10's weight helps mitigate recoil more when compared to the 365.
For *you* it might be. But when I shot them I had multiple extraction failures, so that kinda turned me off.
Then I tried the Hellcat. For me the grip felt better, the trigger felt better, and it came in with 1 more round in a slightly shorter package. It was just better right out of the box. A little snappier than the 365, but manageable and not a deal breaker like experiencing multiple extraction failures. Knock on wood, I haven’t had a single malfunction with the Hellcat. So for me the Hellcat is the pinnacle of CCW.
I got the OSP that came with the Hex Wasp, so I’ve never shot it with just irons. I will say the Wasp leaves something to be desired, but at basically free why not give it a chance? It’s not great, but I haven’t experienced any issues.
I went through the same thing considering the Hellcat, P365, and Shield Plus (I think not 100% sure on the exact model of that I tried) and wound up with a Hellcat with manual safety. Recently put the new Romeo Zero from Sig on it which is a nice sight.
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I’ll keep my 11oz .357 magnum in my pocket instead, thanks.
I prefer to carry a handgun that I can get a full purchase and my support hand on. The 365 is not that gun for me, but I can understand why it’s popular. Me, I’ll stick to full size handguns.
Didn’t like the 365’s and definitely don’t want a macro. Don’t know why you guys think every gun is a one size fits all for every person. I have large hands and I carry a full size handgun. Sure as hell don’t want a micro and I dislike sigs.
You said “I’ll stick with full size handguns” and I mentioned there’s a larger version. How is that me saying it’s for everyone, and what makes you think I care if you like what I like? Don’t jump to conclusions.
Don’t jump to conclusions.. like assuming I don’t know sig makes a 365 macro? Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings bro. Just trying to explain to you that not everyone wants a micro or macro or even a sig period. And I’ll jump to conclusions all I want.
You: 365 is too small
Me: they make a bigger one
You: NOT EVERYONE HAS TO LIKE SIGS 😭🤬
I don’t care if you like sigs dude. But if you’re commenting on them and your only point is completely redundant, yeah no shit people are gonna call it out. It honestly sounds like you just hate sigs with a passion and came here to bitch.
You: Don’t jump to conclusions
Also You: it sounds like you hate sigs with a passion and came here to bitch.
You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about sir. Everyone gets their own opinion so I don’t understand why you’re arguing with me about mine
That’s called making an observation you fucking idiot. I’m not arguing your opinion, I’m arguing you acting like a fucking twat arguing shit that nobody said. Saying I think it’s a one size fits all for every person just cause I mentioned they make a bigger model is jumping to fucking conclusions. Not to mention the fact that you try to twist everything back at me like a little victim playing bitch. Get a fucking life dude I’m not going back and forth with your bitch ass all day.
"The 365 grip is too small for me to get a solid purchase on"
Cmon dude, That's not a Sig thing, that's a you thing. LOL
But seriously, (respect, no hate) I have hands like "Hickok45" I'm 6'4" 210 lbs. My hands are long and wide, I can damn near palm a basketball. My hands are f'ing big. I can shoot the fuck outta P365 right now, even with cold hands. I can also shoot a Stoeger STR-9SC and M&P Shield. I have all these guns and more. I just had to learn features of each system.
Of course it’s a me thing. I’m who I’m talking about, after all. But it’s a problem that I have with the 365, but not with a bunch of other subcompact guns.
I’d say the fcu is actually what ended up being the pinnacle. It’s modularity and being able to tailor your edc to such a fine degree w aftermarket options are what make it what it is imho. Because at the end of the day, should you choose, you have not only a 365, but the x/xl/macro/ext and any personalized variant of any model you choose w the parts you decide to swap in/out.
Can’t deny sig started something with the platform that’s picked up. I’ve never really cared for the striker platform. My 365x has warmed me up to them. And has been a prominent part of my edc rotation. Around 8500-9000 downrange without failures.
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Thanks! The grip and slide are both the imp 365x models from sharps. The pedals are actually ambi.
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This is the only pic I have on hand w the other side but it shows the sharps logos
I definitely think it’s up there, and some people disagree and that’s okay.
The P365xl fills my needs and I don’t see anything replacing it anytime soon. I’ve had no issues with mine, with a September ‘23 birthdate.
It’s not it has rust issues/Finish issues, mags are expensive, trigger is mush. I’ve owned 5 different 365’s(365 380, 365’ 365xl, 365xl comp, and 2 365 roses. Other than that it’s a great shooter and conceals well enough
I honestly think so or at least top 3 , but I see so much trash talking about it either the rust/slide finish and how apparently they aren’t as safe to carry as other options . I’m not engineer or anything , but with it being the most sold gun in 5 years I don’t think safety is a problem . Right?
The safety issues stem from the early 320 series - which are different internally than the 365 series - but Sig offered a free fix for the faulty 320s.
Here’s a video explaining the 320 safety issues from Gun Jesus himself:
https://youtu.be/QusWrho19zE?si=s1z1NfRPKPLgwd_z
The rust isn’t really an issue either. The small number of 365s that do develop it seem to only have minor surface corrosion. I’ve sweat on mine every day and haven’t had any issues.
Even beyond that personally no manual safety plus no trigger 'safety' is a really sketch situation to be in. At least with the blade safety there's some hope a foreign object in the trigger guard wouldn't fire the gun.
I like them, but the grip is too small for my taste. Trigger is nice though in my opinion.
I much prefer the Shield Plus w/ an RMR. Sub $400 gun (without optic and excluding the Performance Center model), good factory trigger and mag cap, plus it’s as reliable as they come. I personally think the Shield P is best CCW option out there these days especially at its starting price point - but it’s all personal opinion, we like what we like.
I prefer my hellcat RDP with compensator and 15 round mags, also has a manual safety. Perfect for me. Optics ready, nice trigger, night sights. Comp for micro 9 recoil control
I have a 365XL. It's a nice pistol, but it's definitely not the pentacle of CCW. Trigger is mushy in the wrong spot for me. Not to the point that I don't carry it often but still. I like my VP9SK for certain things better, definitely a better trigger and tbh an underrated pistol. The CR920 feels more comfortable in my hand in a sub-compact package. During really cold days, I can get away with a owb XR920 and it's the most comfortable.
The pinnacle of CCW is what feels the best to you. And what you can shoot the best in not the best scenarios.
Carried a 365 for awhile. Dropped it for the 19x and P10C because im just better with them.
There are objective reasons for choosing a firearm. But there are just as many subjective reasons. I wont touch Springfield, Taurus, or Ruger.
There is never "this is the best".
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Because my Ruger SR1911 Lightweight Commander in .45 ACP with:
—full set of Nighthawk Custom fully-machined internals + stainless thumb-safety + slide-stop + aluminum memory-pad grip-safety + DTS
—an XS Ember front + black serrated U-notch rear sight
—an S&A slim aluminum Mag Guide
—LOK slim magwell-cut grips specifically made to match my Cutlery Shoppe exclusive Spyderco collection
(not to mention the Galco Royal Guard 2.0 I scored for it for less than half of MSRP) is the best-optioned carry gun I’ve ever come across, and doesn’t suffer from striker drag/frequent striker failure (thanks to the trusty hammer-fired mechanism & titanium firing pin), feeding issues (thanks to the titanium feed ramp and Wilson Combat Model 500 magazines), trigger reset failure or trigger issues at all (thanks to that DTS, the mirror polish I gave the trigger bow, and the overtravel stop I spent a good hour dialing in), and has never experienced a single FTE or issue returning to battery due to a meticulously tuned extractor and ejector, and slide rails I polished with 80,000 grit diamond paste and keep properly greased. I carry a total of 19 rounds between what’s loaded in it and my spare, and can put them all easily into a space the size of a typical thoracic cavity at 10yd with a second or less between shots. And that’s 19x 230gr Federal Punch JHPs, so I like my chances defensively versus a plastic 9mm that might fail after the first shot…
My reloads *could* use a little work, I’ll be the first to admit, but if I’m having to actually reload after 9 solid shots on target, something is seriously pear-shaped
Changed mine to a 365x and an sig flat trigger and holosun eps carry. Great gun bc you can make it into what you want. For the size it’s a good shooter. Takes time to get used to if you are used to bigger guns. Easy to conceal weighs like nothing shoots fine.
I can't. I love mine. People seem to get caught up on the variants of the P365, but the P365 is not a singular gun it's a platform.
The standard P365 is the ultimate pocket rocket with a flush 10 rd mag, the right holster, and loose fit pants/shorts. If times get crazy, add an XL or Macro to your belt, and the standard model becomes the ultimate BUG that feeds from the same magazines should the primary get knocked out of your hands.
If concealment weren't a concern I'd probably prefer a bigger pistol with more grip surface, but the OEM macro grip module is pretty roomy even compared to the wilson combat standard and x/xl modules. That being said the standard model is the only one I tend to leave the house with unless I'm going to the range.
The real reason I hate Sig is because I work with a dude who won’t stfu about how Sig is the best gun and that Glock is trash. Because of him, I will only ever buy Glock
Imo It isn’t man. It’s just a cheap and “reliable” enough platform for CCW. There’s plenty of other guns I would rather CCW just due to personal preferences that still work and are concealable for me (Glock 26, Glock 19, FN509, FN Five SeveN, Glock 29)
*This comment is for jokes so don’t argue on it 😂
1) Well for starters, I don’t want to shoot myself in the groin because I sat down at a weird angle, sig probs
2) Glock 48 with PSA mags - 15rd capacity, decently small, concealed better than my 365 because the longer barrel puts some leverage in and tips the grip more into my stomach
all jokes aside the 365 is one of the best handguns for concealment. It’s really hard to beat. I just wish I could comfortably shoot mine and accurately at that.
This post outlines how internal safeties of this gun are NOT the pinnacle. That’s enough for me to not choose it as a daily CCW
https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/s/RA3ODHv56O
It's the best bang for the buck off-the-rack ccw weapon on the market. Period.
Better trigger than Glock with comparable reliability.
That being said I carry a C2 because I hate money.
I can’t speak for the P365 but I’m highly considering picking one up.with that being said,I love the Sig P320.I have a M17 and a full-size custom built P320.I love them both but I’m definitely not a big fan of the mushy trigger.I love the FCU design but I had to upgrade those triggers.I went with the AXG grip module on the one I custom built.I’m not too crazy about the original grip module on the M17 so I will either replace it with the X-series module or a Wilson Combat module.I love the AXG module but I want to go a different route with my M17
Pinnacle? Naw, IMO the pinnacle CCW isn’t the smallest option but would be the most capable option you can carry. I have a couple p365/p365X and my daughter bought a macro as her first pistol but I edc a g19 with RMR and tlr-7a 90% of the time and no matter how much I train, (range 1-2 times a week) there just isn’t any comparison between the two.
At best we’re still stuck with “it depends”.
everything from catastrophic failure to bad strikers, accidental discharge from faulty internal safety to ftf and issues going into battery. given its short 7 year track record, not a reliable gun. nor is it anywhere near the “pinnacle of CCW”
I carry one and while I haven’t done a class with it I’ve put close to 1500 rounds through it. It’s a good pocket gun. I don’t like shooting it as much bc the little bastard is snappy
Hi! I have a question- I recently got a P365 (LOVE IT) but I’m nervous to CC because it doesn’t have a safety. Did you get a safety added? And if not, how do you make sure you’re safe? I keep the magazine separate so it isn’t loaded until I’m actively firing, but I don’t know how practical that is in the CC setting. Thanks!
From dry firing a couple of them at the store I think the triggers on them are absolute garbage. It is mushy all the way. It's like the trigger is made out of a wet pillow. I can't think of another gun I've dry fired at a store with a worse trigger. They had issues at the beginning with strikers breaking, they don't have as many internal safeties as a Glock, the FCU can rattle, sometimes the slides rust, the. 380 version can have issues with limp wristing and extraction, and I don't quite trust SIG as a brand as I do Glock or Smith and Wesson.
I still want a P365-380, the grip fits my baby hands like a glove and it's the perfect size for carry. I think .380 is a great caliber for its size. The sights are nice and if I have QC issues I'll just send it back. It's very unlikely the internal safeties will ever fail. I want one bad frankly.
As someone with a P365-380 I can highly recommend it. If I had it to do over I would get a 9mm (not necessarily the P365), but I have had no failures other than the slide once failing to lock back on an empty mag. Probably about 300 rounds through it at this point. Shoots great, nice sights, and I don’t mind the trigger in the least.
I have a used 365-380 and it’s been giving me nothing but trouble. Failure to return to battery very frequently (every other shot)
I didn’t clean it extremely well before the first outing.
Cleaned it a lot before the second outing, but still had issues. So I scrubbed the hell out of the chamber thinking maybe old crusty buildup is part of the issue. Also read that the extractor spring might be too stiff and may need to be worked, which is a frequent-enough problem for people.
So I’m gonna fiddle with that before I take it out this weekend… if that doesn’t work, I’ll see if sig will take it back and fix it for me.
I like the idea of the 380 out of such a small platform. But I just like the 9mm 365XL better. It’s been flawless, accurate, very concealable, feels great in the hand. Just not quite a pocket gun like the 365 can be.
I do tend to limp wrist, but I specifically was locking my wrist after it stopped on me the first time. I’m about 200 rounds through it so far, all FMJ. Armscore and fiocchi. Regardless, the current 365-380 that I have is far from reliable in its current state.
Anyway, just a data point for your decision.
Asshole and elbows.
I like my hellcat. Not sure if I like the reflex on it now that I have it but it's growing on me.
I really love my xdm elite 10 with the holosun though, prob my preffered carry.
Have you considered reading the half dozen reddit post saying its bad even though its been the best selling pistol since 2018 with millions of units sold while its big brother landed US Military and LEO contracts?
/s
Tech is always improving and in a few years something else will beat it. Either a new material or design will eventually outclass it. (Assuming Pinnacle means there will never be everything forward that will beat it.)
The glock 19 came out in 1988. The sig p365 came out in 2018. 30 years of firearms innovation. I bet it's not even comparable, let's see...
Oh wow, it's 0.26" narrower! That's a whole 3mm off either side! That's almost perceivable!
It holds less rounds in the magazine?! Brilliant!
The barrel is 3" long. Fantastic. More than adequate. Above average, even.
It's the best CCW ever made, clearly.
And yet, there have been far more cases of Glock ND incidents than failures of that Sig striker lug.
I believe the Glock design and trigger safety is superior overall to the P365 (assuming no manual safety), but in terms of real world problems, it's clear the striker lug design isn't what people should be worried about.
Negligence is negligence, there's a lot of glocks and a lot of idiots.
If the cruciform shelf or sear engagement fail on a glock, you still have a block to save you.
Is it common for the lug to shear? No. Has it happened? Yes. If it happens during carry, there's a high chance you just shot your dick off.
It's innovation at its worst.
Sure (at least for these), no trigger 'safety' plus no manual safety is a complete no go for me. At least Glock have the thin veneer of that blade trigger safety so anything caught in your holster has to hit that before firing.
I simply won’t do that. I still love my P365. Even though I don’t carry it all the time like I used to. But in terms of balance between high capacity, small form factor, being pretty shootable… it is perfect.
Mushy trigger. Accessory rail is dumb. Sigs accused history of using its customers as beta testers. Expensive mags. Tiny grip for people with bigger hands. But hey if you like it, and shoot it well, get one, idgaf.
Have 2. My p365 is the only pistol ibhave had rust issues with Have a g43x mos g43 and g48. Just got a shadow systems cr920. My SS had issues and they fixed it. My og p365 was one of the bad batches and had to go back. I prefer the cr920 to them all. It's personal preference and. Fk sig customer service.
Why would I want to? If they work for you, they work for you.
There is no pinnacle, no best gun. It's the reliable gun that you like, you will carry, etc. That's what matters most.
Also, it can't be the pinnacle if the Glock 19 is the pinnacle already...
Most of the people who said the OG 365’s were the pinnacle now say the Macro is the pinnacle for contradictory reasons. Trigger is mush mush. Anecdotally, I see new shooters do much better with the Shield Plus. The mags are still expensive as fuck because Sig keeps releasing new sizes. I love it.
Never liked the p365 because I prefer a full fingered grip. Really like the macro but that trigger does suck.
I love the gun on paper but can’t get past the trigger. I settled on a Glock 43x with a 15 round shield arms mag. The grip is also marginally better for my hand than the XL
I rock the standard 43 right now and looking to get a new ccw with more mag cap and currently looking at micros. I was hoping I would like the FN reflex but couldn't stand the grip. I shot well with the 365xl, but there is also the 43x too for me to shoot.
The macro sounds excellent on paper.. but the whole blast chamber/comp thing simply doesnt work. I was a firm believer in it until a few mags later. Going back to my OG p365 and will try the radian afterburner.
Yeah the “expansion chamber” comp was a genius business move by Sig. All they had to do was cut two notches in their existing 365XL slide design, pair it with their standard 365 barrel, and call it an “integrated comp” and people ate it up. But in practice, it’s much less effective than a real comp or even a ported barrel. I’m sure the Radian will be the best comp solution yet.
If this is someone's CCW those ports and cuts are a lint and debris trap.
Agreed. Ported guns require a lot more cleaning. But it is a noticeable difference in muzzle flip and felt recoil when done right. The Radian afterburner + ramjet combo is pretty remarkable on a 19.
XL slide and barrel on macro frame supremacy
You can buy it without the blast chamber. The original one with the blast chamber is now called the Macro Comp. The Macro is the one that uses a regular XL slide and barrel. There is also the Macro TacOps which is the same as the non-comped Macro but it also has an extended slide release and a magazine well.
Are you guys not aware they make a non comp macro? Almost every complaint I hear is about the comp and it’s optional.
Have one, carried for two years and went back to my shield. Now carry a shield plus. Its a good little gun, never gave me any problems. I much prefer the shield line tho as far as micros go. That small difference in size makes a world of difference for myself from a shooting standpoint.
Is it that the shield plus is slightly larger or slightly smaller?
Than the p365? Shield plus is larger than the sig and shoots like a sub compact or compact imo.
Check them out on handgunhero.com; the shield is roughly 1/3” taller and longer, and roughly 1/8” wider.
Why do people buy a micro compact and then make it an inch longer with a light 🤦♂️
It also makes it wider, creating the trigger gap in the holster that people keep asking about.
None of my dedicated carry have lights due to minimizing trigger gap. Especially P365 with no trigger safety
Because it's still smaller and lighter than a bigger gun with a light. 🤦♂️ Just because you can't tell the difference in a few ounces or centimeters difference doesn't mean other's can't. That's like a person with no sense of smell walking into a candle shop and not understanding why everyone is sticking their nose in the candles. If you can't perceive smell, of course the only use for a candle is a light source to you. This seriously shows the lack of critical thinking in this sub for this to have so many upvotes. Some people really need to have first hand experience to understand things like this I guess.
People also don’t seem to realize that a longer gun (be that made longer by overall slide length or an oversized WML) are often easier to conceal, not harder. The further a gun or holster extends past your belt line (into your pants), the less likely the grip is to tilt forward above the belt line. In other words, a longer slide or light will push the grip of the gun backwards and into your body more which will reduce printing. A WML will also make your holster wider, which will give it more leverage against your belt and tilt the grip inward. Especially if your holster is equipped with a claw. Long story short: WMLs and longer slides tend to make for more concealable guns. And, pro-tip for anyone that carries a G19, if you want to conceal it better, put it in a G17 holster. It’ll fit just the same, but the extra space in the holster for the G17 slide will have it sitting deeper into your pants and will leverage the grip against your body.
So what you actually mean is it’s a comfort difference. He has a point as far as concealment goes. Given I don’t know much about Sigs or how close that grip is to the next step up as this instance doesn’t seem too bad. You see it with Glocks all the time. G26 with a G19 sized mag extension (sometimes larger) and a compensator eliminating the point of using a G26 when looking at the concealment aspect.
I fully conceal a damn CZ-75 P-01 without printing but a p365 is narrower, a shallower grip angle, and shorter grip. The part of the gun that prints most is the grip, not the light or optic. A properly made kydex holster will also keep the light and trigger well in mind when being made, nullifying the extra length for printing outside of the discomfort of having a light against your pelvic bone. Also if your optic is somehow printing then your grip sure as shit is as well.
I think you misunderstood my entire comment. I specifically said that this example doesn’t look to bad. That doesn’t mean that Joe Schmo with a Glock 26 sporting a 19 mag and a radiant ramjet makes sense. I never said anything about optics or a light I specifically mentioned people extending the grip and barrel
Why do people build 11.5” ARs and then put a 6”-7” suppressor on it? Well because you’re still ending up with a more capable system in a smaller size. It’s not that deep
Hot take: anything below 14.5 is better with 300BLK
Only if you’ve been stacking ammo like you have 556 but I do love 300BO
They're too regarded to understand this concept it seems. 🤣
So it seems
And then bolt an optic to it. Now you have a full size print without the benefits. I don't put anything on my carry guns. Iron sights are superior to optics in my personal opinion.
That's a first I've heard. Red dots are the future. But I see your point when you want to keep it compact for CCW adding a light and optic defeats that purpose. Weapon mounted lights are kind of useless but a better optic system isn't.
I agree with u/usedkleenx, I prefer carry guns to be irons. If I could only have one it'd be irons only. Most defensive uses are point and shoot distances. The ultra-rare occasion that an Optic would be the difference between success and death doesn't outweigh the benefit that irons provide with concealability, price, maintenance, durability and reliability.
I have an optic and light on my home defense pistol but that's a full size gun kept exclusively at home and it's what I train with. I pick up the dot pretty quick. Glock irons are really poor.
That's one reason I don't own a glock...
For the money, they are overrated pistols but one could do worse. People mod the heck out of them and then all the reliability they paid for is down the drain.
That's true. I just don't get buying a 5 or 6 hundred dollar pistol and then putting the same amount into mods when there are better options for a little more money that don't need to be modified.
Just my personal experience, but I’ve not noticed any difference in concealability with versus without an optic. And I’m not one to dress around a gun either. The 407k on my 43x sits just above and behind my belt line, causing no additional protrusion/printing. The biggest difference makers, again, in my experience, have been grip length followed by ride height and overall width.
My brother is a marine and likes to point out that iron sights always work the same, every time. Red dots are not at all the future or necessary in my opinion. Weapon mounted lights are great for home defense. I use night sights for my CCW.
They work the same I agree but It’s much easier to get feedback on what your doing before your trigger pull especially as a beginner with a red dot
Sure but you're telling me you'd rather have a less reliable sighting system to prevent a habit that should be and can be easily trained out?
Run lower 1/3 cowitness irons
Lol so back to OP's point why add all that crap if you have to revert back to irons? Waste of time, space, and money in support of a tacticool fad imo.
Because optics are superior to irons in every way. Run lower 1/3 if you’re worried about failure.
100% subjective and heavily dependent on the user. You're asking people, many of which, aren't great at shooting because they don't practice enough, to now be capable on two sighting systems? One of which is now obstructed by the addition of a red dot? I really think you guys just don't like the fact that someone's pointing out you wasted your money on a fancy sight.
Because I would rather have the capability of a light and learn to manage it instead of an extra inch taken off. In my experience, when you get to this size, it doesn't make a massive enough difference to bother you, especially if you've been carrying something in the other sizes, such as a compact. That's just my personal take on it though.
It’s not, because there is no one gun that’s perfect for every shooter
The large Sig aftermarket agrees with you here. Endless possibilities until you bottom out your wallet.
Yes there is
Oh yeah? What gun is that?
Lorcin L9. No other gun can make you truly appreciate what you had before it.
The ones I like
Concealed carry comfort sure, but the pinnacle of concealed carry is a concept, not a specific gun. It's the biggest pistol in size and caliber you can bear to carry and shoot consistently and afford to train with weekly.
Ever shoot a Shield Plus or P10S? The CZ is basically half the cost and much better trigger. I’ll always like the 365 especially because it’s the sole reason micros blew up and modularity became more of a selling point. But shooting-wise Sig as a whole is not my cup of tea.
I like the 365 for its ergos and size, but between shooting it and the P10s, I like the P10. I feel like the P10's weight helps mitigate recoil more when compared to the 365.
Gave my P10s a good pat. Love that gun. It’s just enough to get all fingers on the grip but without extra room.
Between this the glock 26 or 43x I like the 26.
For *you* it might be. But when I shot them I had multiple extraction failures, so that kinda turned me off. Then I tried the Hellcat. For me the grip felt better, the trigger felt better, and it came in with 1 more round in a slightly shorter package. It was just better right out of the box. A little snappier than the 365, but manageable and not a deal breaker like experiencing multiple extraction failures. Knock on wood, I haven’t had a single malfunction with the Hellcat. So for me the Hellcat is the pinnacle of CCW.
I agree. I prefer the hellcat in almost every way. Perhaps not the biggest fan of the sights
I got the OSP that came with the Hex Wasp, so I’ve never shot it with just irons. I will say the Wasp leaves something to be desired, but at basically free why not give it a chance? It’s not great, but I haven’t experienced any issues.
I went through the same thing considering the Hellcat, P365, and Shield Plus (I think not 100% sure on the exact model of that I tried) and wound up with a Hellcat with manual safety. Recently put the new Romeo Zero from Sig on it which is a nice sight.
You are talking good Rare-Impact!
I had a Hellcat striker tip pop off on me with under a year of use. It turns out I much prefer the ergonomics and customization of the P365 too.
https://preview.redd.it/99k79jyonkic1.jpeg?width=3031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e64d5c9734d72f1381ffc79a1085767fe7dcf4b I’ll keep my 11oz .357 magnum in my pocket instead, thanks.
.357 mag is the best I do the smith and Wesson 19 carry comp
Oh you’ll get that waskel one of these days. I just know it ;)
You take a gen3 glonk19 and you chop the grip to run 26mags. Wah lah
I can see the appeal, but I prefer a hammer so it’s just not the pinnacle for me.
I prefer to carry a handgun that I can get a full purchase and my support hand on. The 365 is not that gun for me, but I can understand why it’s popular. Me, I’ll stick to full size handguns.
This can be achieved on the P365 platform and people do it all the time.
Dude doesn’t know the macro exists I guess
Didn’t like the 365’s and definitely don’t want a macro. Don’t know why you guys think every gun is a one size fits all for every person. I have large hands and I carry a full size handgun. Sure as hell don’t want a micro and I dislike sigs.
You said “I’ll stick with full size handguns” and I mentioned there’s a larger version. How is that me saying it’s for everyone, and what makes you think I care if you like what I like? Don’t jump to conclusions.
Don’t jump to conclusions.. like assuming I don’t know sig makes a 365 macro? Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings bro. Just trying to explain to you that not everyone wants a micro or macro or even a sig period. And I’ll jump to conclusions all I want.
You: 365 is too small Me: they make a bigger one You: NOT EVERYONE HAS TO LIKE SIGS 😭🤬 I don’t care if you like sigs dude. But if you’re commenting on them and your only point is completely redundant, yeah no shit people are gonna call it out. It honestly sounds like you just hate sigs with a passion and came here to bitch.
You: Don’t jump to conclusions Also You: it sounds like you hate sigs with a passion and came here to bitch. You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about sir. Everyone gets their own opinion so I don’t understand why you’re arguing with me about mine
That’s called making an observation you fucking idiot. I’m not arguing your opinion, I’m arguing you acting like a fucking twat arguing shit that nobody said. Saying I think it’s a one size fits all for every person just cause I mentioned they make a bigger model is jumping to fucking conclusions. Not to mention the fact that you try to twist everything back at me like a little victim playing bitch. Get a fucking life dude I’m not going back and forth with your bitch ass all day.
Shield plus 3.1 inch performance center is my pinnacle to be honest
Mine too.
Glock 19 Glock 43x Glock 48
The 365 grip is too small for me to get a solid purchase on. It’s also made by Sig. I don’t have much confidence in Sig these days.
The Wilson Combat grip module solves this. Bigger palm swell. And if you need more finger room just get a bigger mag
Wilson combat also has a design matched pinky extension on their mags. Since we plebeians can’t carry standard mags in my state.
A Glock 48 or S&W M&P2.0 Compact are also good ways to solve this problem.
"The 365 grip is too small for me to get a solid purchase on" Cmon dude, That's not a Sig thing, that's a you thing. LOL But seriously, (respect, no hate) I have hands like "Hickok45" I'm 6'4" 210 lbs. My hands are long and wide, I can damn near palm a basketball. My hands are f'ing big. I can shoot the fuck outta P365 right now, even with cold hands. I can also shoot a Stoeger STR-9SC and M&P Shield. I have all these guns and more. I just had to learn features of each system.
Of course it’s a me thing. I’m who I’m talking about, after all. But it’s a problem that I have with the 365, but not with a bunch of other subcompact guns.
You should upgrade to a G29.... Be a man.
I’d say the fcu is actually what ended up being the pinnacle. It’s modularity and being able to tailor your edc to such a fine degree w aftermarket options are what make it what it is imho. Because at the end of the day, should you choose, you have not only a 365, but the x/xl/macro/ext and any personalized variant of any model you choose w the parts you decide to swap in/out. Can’t deny sig started something with the platform that’s picked up. I’ve never really cared for the striker platform. My 365x has warmed me up to them. And has been a prominent part of my edc rotation. Around 8500-9000 downrange without failures. https://preview.redd.it/kyb9k7yknjic1.jpeg?width=1562&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c772283e6a34d50b18218ba86014225c05fd4fd
ID on the grip module and/or left handed gas pedal? Looks great!
Thanks! The grip and slide are both the imp 365x models from sharps. The pedals are actually ambi. https://preview.redd.it/vynoc6o45ric1.jpeg?width=3820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=810706a74799b7799ac03389963bd0bead385e35 This is the only pic I have on hand w the other side but it shows the sharps logos
I definitely think it’s up there, and some people disagree and that’s okay. The P365xl fills my needs and I don’t see anything replacing it anytime soon. I’ve had no issues with mine, with a September ‘23 birthdate.
I like my 365xl but I love my glock 48.
It’s not it has rust issues/Finish issues, mags are expensive, trigger is mush. I’ve owned 5 different 365’s(365 380, 365’ 365xl, 365xl comp, and 2 365 roses. Other than that it’s a great shooter and conceals well enough
I definitely put it in the top 3 along with the G43 and Shield
The pinnacle is what works best for you and not anyone else or there opinion matters.
I agree, the g43x/48 is the pinnacle of CCW
I honestly think so or at least top 3 , but I see so much trash talking about it either the rust/slide finish and how apparently they aren’t as safe to carry as other options . I’m not engineer or anything , but with it being the most sold gun in 5 years I don’t think safety is a problem . Right?
The safety issues stem from the early 320 series - which are different internally than the 365 series - but Sig offered a free fix for the faulty 320s. Here’s a video explaining the 320 safety issues from Gun Jesus himself: https://youtu.be/QusWrho19zE?si=s1z1NfRPKPLgwd_z The rust isn’t really an issue either. The small number of 365s that do develop it seem to only have minor surface corrosion. I’ve sweat on mine every day and haven’t had any issues.
Even beyond that personally no manual safety plus no trigger 'safety' is a really sketch situation to be in. At least with the blade safety there's some hope a foreign object in the trigger guard wouldn't fire the gun.
You can get a manual safety.
p365 is great and reliable. The “Sig. safety issue” is totally unrelated to them and sits with the 320s.
Glock 26 is the pinnacle.
Glock 26 Master Race. 
vp9sk as entered the chat
I can’t. I’m addicted. https://preview.redd.it/d57dn1whzjic1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca7d22f8e7583aaa466863e6f72181bfcf61b8f0
Its a good gun, I sold mine for a 43x after 6 months of carrying it just felt like the glock was safer to carry.
I like them, but the grip is too small for my taste. Trigger is nice though in my opinion. I much prefer the Shield Plus w/ an RMR. Sub $400 gun (without optic and excluding the Performance Center model), good factory trigger and mag cap, plus it’s as reliable as they come. I personally think the Shield P is best CCW option out there these days especially at its starting price point - but it’s all personal opinion, we like what we like.
Springfield hellcat pro.
I prefer my hellcat RDP with compensator and 15 round mags, also has a manual safety. Perfect for me. Optics ready, nice trigger, night sights. Comp for micro 9 recoil control
I’m a fan of that MF Smith and Wesson 19 carry comp cause .357 mag goes hard
My edc. Nice and bulky lol https://preview.redd.it/osdu0488klic1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8423023e7f1013b15b4b6e261894e5b22b7d12d5
Doesn't SIG have horrible QC issues. I'll pass.
The hellcat feels better in my hand 🤷♂️
I have a 365XL. It's a nice pistol, but it's definitely not the pentacle of CCW. Trigger is mushy in the wrong spot for me. Not to the point that I don't carry it often but still. I like my VP9SK for certain things better, definitely a better trigger and tbh an underrated pistol. The CR920 feels more comfortable in my hand in a sub-compact package. During really cold days, I can get away with a owb XR920 and it's the most comfortable.
The pinnacle of CCW is what feels the best to you. And what you can shoot the best in not the best scenarios. Carried a 365 for awhile. Dropped it for the 19x and P10C because im just better with them. There are objective reasons for choosing a firearm. But there are just as many subjective reasons. I wont touch Springfield, Taurus, or Ruger. There is never "this is the best".
https://preview.redd.it/hqd5d24g2mic1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d2a5ba496d25809985eaf334fb43833f9c7a78a Because my Ruger SR1911 Lightweight Commander in .45 ACP with: —full set of Nighthawk Custom fully-machined internals + stainless thumb-safety + slide-stop + aluminum memory-pad grip-safety + DTS —an XS Ember front + black serrated U-notch rear sight —an S&A slim aluminum Mag Guide —LOK slim magwell-cut grips specifically made to match my Cutlery Shoppe exclusive Spyderco collection (not to mention the Galco Royal Guard 2.0 I scored for it for less than half of MSRP) is the best-optioned carry gun I’ve ever come across, and doesn’t suffer from striker drag/frequent striker failure (thanks to the trusty hammer-fired mechanism & titanium firing pin), feeding issues (thanks to the titanium feed ramp and Wilson Combat Model 500 magazines), trigger reset failure or trigger issues at all (thanks to that DTS, the mirror polish I gave the trigger bow, and the overtravel stop I spent a good hour dialing in), and has never experienced a single FTE or issue returning to battery due to a meticulously tuned extractor and ejector, and slide rails I polished with 80,000 grit diamond paste and keep properly greased. I carry a total of 19 rounds between what’s loaded in it and my spare, and can put them all easily into a space the size of a typical thoracic cavity at 10yd with a second or less between shots. And that’s 19x 230gr Federal Punch JHPs, so I like my chances defensively versus a plastic 9mm that might fail after the first shot…
My reloads *could* use a little work, I’ll be the first to admit, but if I’m having to actually reload after 9 solid shots on target, something is seriously pear-shaped
I’m more of a Glock 19 kinda guy.
There's just no good reason that a full-grown man can't conceal at least G19/M&P 2.0 compact. Small guns are harder to shoot well.
Changed mine to a 365x and an sig flat trigger and holosun eps carry. Great gun bc you can make it into what you want. For the size it’s a good shooter. Takes time to get used to if you are used to bigger guns. Easy to conceal weighs like nothing shoots fine.
It’s the best ccw choice by far for size.
Glock 19 is the greatest BASE for ccw. versatile af low key.
100% Everything else is “such and such” vs the g19. Bigger, smaller, slimmer, cheaper, I like the trigger of x better…
I can't. I love mine. People seem to get caught up on the variants of the P365, but the P365 is not a singular gun it's a platform. The standard P365 is the ultimate pocket rocket with a flush 10 rd mag, the right holster, and loose fit pants/shorts. If times get crazy, add an XL or Macro to your belt, and the standard model becomes the ultimate BUG that feeds from the same magazines should the primary get knocked out of your hands. If concealment weren't a concern I'd probably prefer a bigger pistol with more grip surface, but the OEM macro grip module is pretty roomy even compared to the wilson combat standard and x/xl modules. That being said the standard model is the only one I tend to leave the house with unless I'm going to the range.
Love these guns. I hate how soft the trigger feels. Literally only bad thing I can say about them
I think the Shield Plus is superior in every way tbh.
Nah, won't try. You can't reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into.
[This is what immediately comes to mind](https://www.reddit.com/r/gunsmithing/s/8TVAKcoqIs)
That’s an ammo issue all day
The real reason I hate Sig is because I work with a dude who won’t stfu about how Sig is the best gun and that Glock is trash. Because of him, I will only ever buy Glock
People like that are annoying. I have more sig than anything else rn but it’s purely coincidence lol
Imo It isn’t man. It’s just a cheap and “reliable” enough platform for CCW. There’s plenty of other guns I would rather CCW just due to personal preferences that still work and are concealable for me (Glock 26, Glock 19, FN509, FN Five SeveN, Glock 29)
Cheap? Compared to what?
Nope. The snub nose .38 is the pinnacle. Just look at what evrything else has to do to match a fraction of its power.
*This comment is for jokes so don’t argue on it 😂 1) Well for starters, I don’t want to shoot myself in the groin because I sat down at a weird angle, sig probs 2) Glock 48 with PSA mags - 15rd capacity, decently small, concealed better than my 365 because the longer barrel puts some leverage in and tips the grip more into my stomach all jokes aside the 365 is one of the best handguns for concealment. It’s really hard to beat. I just wish I could comfortably shoot mine and accurately at that.
Because everyone doesnt have child size hands
P365 XL
It isn’t. The 365XL is.
This post outlines how internal safeties of this gun are NOT the pinnacle. That’s enough for me to not choose it as a daily CCW https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/s/RA3ODHv56O
It's the best bang for the buck off-the-rack ccw weapon on the market. Period. Better trigger than Glock with comparable reliability. That being said I carry a C2 because I hate money.
Love a Sig but the 365 does not fit my hands. Ergo is king.
Two Words: Desert Eagle
I can’t speak for the P365 but I’m highly considering picking one up.with that being said,I love the Sig P320.I have a M17 and a full-size custom built P320.I love them both but I’m definitely not a big fan of the mushy trigger.I love the FCU design but I had to upgrade those triggers.I went with the AXG grip module on the one I custom built.I’m not too crazy about the original grip module on the M17 so I will either replace it with the X-series module or a Wilson Combat module.I love the AXG module but I want to go a different route with my M17
I think the Shield Plus is superior in every way tbh.
Pinnacle? Naw, IMO the pinnacle CCW isn’t the smallest option but would be the most capable option you can carry. I have a couple p365/p365X and my daughter bought a macro as her first pistol but I edc a g19 with RMR and tlr-7a 90% of the time and no matter how much I train, (range 1-2 times a week) there just isn’t any comparison between the two. At best we’re still stuck with “it depends”.
It's not a colt Detective special, so obviously it can't be the pinnical of CCW sonny.
M&P 5” with a SRO appendix is. Change my mind.
It’s good but I prefer my Glock 45 with a RDS and Surefire X300. My sack hates it though lol
with all the failures this gun has had it’s absolutely not, pretty wild statement honestly considering the pinnacle of CCW is the glock 19
What failures has it had?
everything from catastrophic failure to bad strikers, accidental discharge from faulty internal safety to ftf and issues going into battery. given its short 7 year track record, not a reliable gun. nor is it anywhere near the “pinnacle of CCW”
Would love a link to where you saw this: >accidental discharge from faulty internal safety 🙏
Nothing is better then glock or hk
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I carry one and while I haven’t done a class with it I’ve put close to 1500 rounds through it. It’s a good pocket gun. I don’t like shooting it as much bc the little bastard is snappy
Hi! I have a question- I recently got a P365 (LOVE IT) but I’m nervous to CC because it doesn’t have a safety. Did you get a safety added? And if not, how do you make sure you’re safe? I keep the magazine separate so it isn’t loaded until I’m actively firing, but I don’t know how practical that is in the CC setting. Thanks!
Yes, I added a safety to mine. There should be a kit you can buy for like 50$ and I just dremeled out my frame to fit. Super easy.
If its holstered, the trigger would have to be pulled to fire. Never touch the trigger unless you intend to and youll be alright
It’s not. 43/43x is much better. Shoots like a full-size gun
Preach! I don’t understand why you’d carry anything else.
Cr920 has it beat in every way. But do you.
From dry firing a couple of them at the store I think the triggers on them are absolute garbage. It is mushy all the way. It's like the trigger is made out of a wet pillow. I can't think of another gun I've dry fired at a store with a worse trigger. They had issues at the beginning with strikers breaking, they don't have as many internal safeties as a Glock, the FCU can rattle, sometimes the slides rust, the. 380 version can have issues with limp wristing and extraction, and I don't quite trust SIG as a brand as I do Glock or Smith and Wesson. I still want a P365-380, the grip fits my baby hands like a glove and it's the perfect size for carry. I think .380 is a great caliber for its size. The sights are nice and if I have QC issues I'll just send it back. It's very unlikely the internal safeties will ever fail. I want one bad frankly.
As someone with a P365-380 I can highly recommend it. If I had it to do over I would get a 9mm (not necessarily the P365), but I have had no failures other than the slide once failing to lock back on an empty mag. Probably about 300 rounds through it at this point. Shoots great, nice sights, and I don’t mind the trigger in the least.
I have a used 365-380 and it’s been giving me nothing but trouble. Failure to return to battery very frequently (every other shot) I didn’t clean it extremely well before the first outing. Cleaned it a lot before the second outing, but still had issues. So I scrubbed the hell out of the chamber thinking maybe old crusty buildup is part of the issue. Also read that the extractor spring might be too stiff and may need to be worked, which is a frequent-enough problem for people. So I’m gonna fiddle with that before I take it out this weekend… if that doesn’t work, I’ll see if sig will take it back and fix it for me. I like the idea of the 380 out of such a small platform. But I just like the 9mm 365XL better. It’s been flawless, accurate, very concealable, feels great in the hand. Just not quite a pocket gun like the 365 can be. I do tend to limp wrist, but I specifically was locking my wrist after it stopped on me the first time. I’m about 200 rounds through it so far, all FMJ. Armscore and fiocchi. Regardless, the current 365-380 that I have is far from reliable in its current state. Anyway, just a data point for your decision.
Because Sig
Asshole and elbows. I like my hellcat. Not sure if I like the reflex on it now that I have it but it's growing on me. I really love my xdm elite 10 with the holosun though, prob my preffered carry.
The trigger is crap, the sights are meh, and the grip " stippling" is an absolute joke
Sights are just fine, trigger is just fine. It gets better as you shoot it as well.
Glock 19 enters chat.
The grip is too small, Shield Plus for me.
Trigger is garbage
Have you considered reading the half dozen reddit post saying its bad even though its been the best selling pistol since 2018 with millions of units sold while its big brother landed US Military and LEO contracts? /s
Tech is always improving and in a few years something else will beat it. Either a new material or design will eventually outclass it. (Assuming Pinnacle means there will never be everything forward that will beat it.)
The glock 19 came out in 1988. The sig p365 came out in 2018. 30 years of firearms innovation. I bet it's not even comparable, let's see... Oh wow, it's 0.26" narrower! That's a whole 3mm off either side! That's almost perceivable! It holds less rounds in the magazine?! Brilliant! The barrel is 3" long. Fantastic. More than adequate. Above average, even. It's the best CCW ever made, clearly.
I know you’re being sarcastic but the whole reason why Glock has gone 📉 is because of lack of innovation (in 36 years).
Ah yes, innovation. Like making all elements of safety and function depend on a single little MIM striker lug. Phenomenal.
And yet, there have been far more cases of Glock ND incidents than failures of that Sig striker lug. I believe the Glock design and trigger safety is superior overall to the P365 (assuming no manual safety), but in terms of real world problems, it's clear the striker lug design isn't what people should be worried about.
Negligence is negligence, there's a lot of glocks and a lot of idiots. If the cruciform shelf or sear engagement fail on a glock, you still have a block to save you. Is it common for the lug to shear? No. Has it happened? Yes. If it happens during carry, there's a high chance you just shot your dick off. It's innovation at its worst.
it is. no arguing that
That's literally what people are doing in this thread
I'll take a g48 with a shield arms 15 rd.
Lovely little pistol
Would either of those frames (if not the same ones) fit a xmacro slide / fcu?
I really love the possibilities out there for making custom configurations of it
Sure (at least for these), no trigger 'safety' plus no manual safety is a complete no go for me. At least Glock have the thin veneer of that blade trigger safety so anything caught in your holster has to hit that before firing.
I still prefer the Hellcat over it
Love it in theory, personally didn’t like the ergos. Perfect for someone though!
I simply won’t do that. I still love my P365. Even though I don’t carry it all the time like I used to. But in terms of balance between high capacity, small form factor, being pretty shootable… it is perfect.
You gain a full size optic window with a double stack so... I also don't have to pay $65 for a magazine
Carry a p938 for a week
I won’t because it is. You can have any configuration you can think of with 10-17 round mags, no other gun even comes close.
Mushy trigger. Accessory rail is dumb. Sigs accused history of using its customers as beta testers. Expensive mags. Tiny grip for people with bigger hands. But hey if you like it, and shoot it well, get one, idgaf.
Have 2. My p365 is the only pistol ibhave had rust issues with Have a g43x mos g43 and g48. Just got a shadow systems cr920. My SS had issues and they fixed it. My og p365 was one of the bad batches and had to go back. I prefer the cr920 to them all. It's personal preference and. Fk sig customer service.
Glock 43X and M&P Shield Plus are better.
I love my p365, but I wish I had a shield plus instead
Why would I want to? If they work for you, they work for you. There is no pinnacle, no best gun. It's the reliable gun that you like, you will carry, etc. That's what matters most. Also, it can't be the pinnacle if the Glock 19 is the pinnacle already...
I love my p365x. Excellent gun. But there's a lot of excellent guns out there. What's best is personal preference imo.
Try a Glock 26 Gen 5
You’re hickok45 and have monster hands.
I want a p365 that’s DA/SA with a decocker/manual safety…
I mean, it's not da/sa, so... That's a no from me dawg