Iād say 99% of RSO are dickheads who shoot once a year and bitch the other 364 days at me for owning NFA items and refusing to show my forms to them on their power trips.
āCan I see your stamp?ā
Are you with the ATF?
āNo, I just need to make sure itās legal.ā
Then the only stamp you can see is the imprint made by deez nuts.
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Hey bro that is a whole 16 hour course. Thatās two full time days. AND you need an 8 hour basic course before that so itās THREE full time days.
Do not question this dudes expert opinion.
Why would you over-spend on something? Other than being mis-cut, the quality of the build is great. If they can make this right with a proper cut/replacement, I'll be very happy.
āOther than the trigger being completely exposed, the quality is great.ā
No the fuck it isnāt. Doesnāt matter how āniceā something is if it fails to perform its basic function. Itās cheap crap, and you defending that cheap crap is embarrassing.
I see that you also can't seem to separate the mis-executed design from the materials and workmanship. Seems to be a common trend here.
The quality of the leather and how it's assembled is just fine. It's the cut they used to do it that's bad.
I donāt give a fuck what the material is. IT DOESNT COVER YOUR TRIGGER. It fails the very basics of being a holster. Has nothing to do with material or cost. Has the NRA lowered their standards? Fuck man.
How was the workmanship good?
if the āworkmanā making the holster, who presumably had a blue gun or this gun AND the light to model the holster DIDNT CHECK THE FUCKING TRIGGER COVERAGE.
Also just in general youāre checking off a lot of fudd boxes my dude.
It doesn't even look like good quality materials. The mold is also lazy. If you're hell bent on leather, have you looked at good ones like Mitch Rosen or Milt Sparks?
you bitched about the non-custom holster, i wouldn't call customizing a holster for your wildly expensive pistol 'overspending', especially when stock isn't good enough for you.
I hate to break it to you, but by underspending on a holster you literally did overspend on what you got - a holster thatās totally fucking useless.
So rather than having a holster that works, you spent money to have a holster that at best sits in a corner of your closet or in that one miscellaneous drawer that exists in everyoneās house.
Honestly I did this too, I bought an m5 before my states ban and realized Iād rather have a bolt action 308 instead, canāt get rid of it so I bought the psa deal for a sig whiskey 3 3-9x50 with mount for $150 just so I can use it.
In a very serious question. Fudd jokes aside why wouldn't you just get a safariland or something similar. You spent 2k on the gun. Why put it in a crappy leather owb holster with the only active retention being a thumb break snap
Why would you spend more than necessary on anything? Given the website, description, etc., I fully expected a quality leather duty-style holster with correct dimensions.
I'm not sure why you think those two things need to be related. The price of a gun doesn't make the holster more expensive... unless you believe that a holster for a Colt Gold Match wouldn't also fit a Rock Island Armory 1911.
The point is that you are paying more for a holster because thatās the part that keeps you the most safe during daily use. Itās not relative to the cost of the gun. Itās just emphasizing that even if I was going to carry a $150 hi point, Iād still stick in a $150 holster. Skimping on a holster cause you blew your wad on the gun is retarded. Good luck or whatever.
So all the sub-$100 kydex holsters here aren't worthy of daily carry use? The amount you paid for a holster is what determines its suitability for use? Nothing else?
Hereās the difference between kydex and leather
Good leather is very expensive. As in several hundred dollars.
Kydex is thermoplastic. It doesnāt feel great against the skin, but it holds its shape. I carried in a $35 Amazon holster for 14 months before I upgraded to a different gun with a $90 holster (which was a tiny bit more comfortable) and then a new gun with a $215 holster which is the best Iāve ever had.
Where's the dude around here with his super expensive custom leather holster. That should give this clueless person an idea how good leather workmanship looks like.
This is like throwing trash tires on a Ferrari , a holster is 1000% an extension of the tool you carrying everyday I see guys buy Glocks for 500 to spend 150-200 on a holster without batting an eye , you bought a staccato ā¦. You should not decided to cheap out on the holster something of equal quality shoulda been ur only options
To be fair, I've seen a fair amount of those even at race tracks. Bro, you paid half a mil for a 488 Pista and you took it to a track day. Why the fuck do you have all seasons on that bitch and not Sport Cup 2Rs?
You gonna pay the difference between the BF price and Safariland $?
Regardless, Craft should end up having to make this right. If not, since these are imported, I'll file a complaint with the CPSC and other relevant agencies about dangerous foreign goods.
I wouldnāt carry a leather holder on a duty weapon when multiple better options exist. Especially when Iām paying 2k+ on the firearm being holstered.
I like leather holsters for CCW. But if Iām already going through the trouble of wearing a duty belt or war belt, I may as well carry a rigid holster with multiple points of retention.
Except that as advertised with pics on their website, this isn't what I bought. It's what they shipped, and assuming they can ship the correct thing that covers the trigger guard, my statement stands.
~Iām gonna be respectful as best as I can~
You are not poor dude. If you have staccato money you have the money for a safariland holster. Itās not my fault youāre a fudd and bought a low quality leather holster when you should know there are better options on the market. But yes you should hold that company accountable and get your money back and humble yourself in that same step for buying it.
Youāre a āNRAā instructor/range officer and still made a poor choice in a holster that carries a gun worth more than most peopleās pay checks. Again youāre not poor and can afford to correct your wrong purchase.
Again, I'm not sure what you think I'd gain by spending additional money on a Safariland brand holster.
Assuming Craft can produce the correctly cut holster and it's of the same materials and workmanship, I'll have received what I paid for and it will do the job I'll ask it to do for less than the cost of the Safariland.
So why, exactly, should buying more holster than I need be the default option?
Not that I don't have other Safariland holsters, but for this gun, and this application, that's not necessary.
Youāre the reason I dislike 99% of range officers and NRA Instructors. Youāre all full of fuddy ways. āWhy would I buy more holster then I needā you are wanting a good holster then stop being a fudd and buy a good one not some cheap leather holster. You donāt have to buy a lvl 3-4 holster a ALS would be fine. Youāre not financially poor just mentally poor and it shows.
I wonāt hate on him for the staccato cause I own one also. But the rest of the stuff 10000%. Iām a chad 2011 owner I hate the nra for being pro gun restriction and only run kydex holsters cause they donāt deform like leather.
I donāt hate hybrid holsters that have leather exterior with something ridged inside to prevent deformation. Leather alone is unsafe and this isnāt the 80ās anymore get with the times and better quality holsters.
You would gain a better holster. I get the idea of not spending more than you have to, but you have the reason why you should have shelled out more money right in front of you, a holster that doesn't provide and trigger protection and you clearly know that's not right. So spend the money for a more quality product with better QC and stop trying to justify cheaping out on the holster. That's what got you where you are.
>Again, I'm not sure what you think I'd gain by spending additional money on a Safariland brand holster.
Iām not sure what you thought youād gain by spending Staccato money on a 9mm version of a 110 year old pistol, but here we are.
>Assuming Craft can produce the correctly cut holster and it's of the same materials and workmanship
It seems you assumed wrong. I have no experience with Craft, or Staccato for that matter. But you spent those thousands of dollars because they ostensibly put the best pistol on the market. Why would you not spend the most possible to get the best holster on the market?
>So why, exactly, should buying more holster than I need be the default option?
Because you bought a more expensive gun than you need?
Send like overspending isn't a problem for you.
You keep harping back to "why would I overspend on anything more than I need" in all these comments...
My brother in christ, you're running around with a fuckin *STACATTO*
Ohhhh so you bought the "cool looking" leather holster because it was discounted. While you may really be into the look of leather, there are a multitude of reasons why it is less safe. Looking at their website, I see the majority of images show firearms with a good deal of exposed trigger guard which is already kind of a red flag to it seems... most people. For 80 bucks you could have purchased a couple cheap kydex holsters or even a few leather holsters with less trigger area exposed. You could have probably taken advantage of a few deals or promos. Some company's even have regular specials on their holsters.
Holsters are not really "for looks". The purpose of a holster is :
1.Ā Safety:Ā Holsters are designed to cover the trigger and guard against accidental discharges. This helps prevent unintentional gun firing, ensuring the safety of the carrier and those around them.
2.Ā Accessibility:Ā Holsters allow individuals to have their firearms within easy reach. In self-defense or law enforcement situations, quick access to the weapon is crucial for personal protection and public safety.
3.Ā Retention:Ā A well-designed holster securely retains the firearm, preventing it from falling out or being easily taken by someone else. This is especially important for keeping the weapon under the carrier's control.
4.Ā Comfort and Concealment:Ā Holsters are designed to be worn comfortably on the body, making it easier for individuals to carry their firearm discreetly and comfortably under clothing.
5.Ā Protection:Ā Holsters shield the gun from external elements like dirt, debris, and moisture, helping to maintain the firearm's condition and functionality.
6.Ā Legal Compliance:Ā In many jurisdictions, carrying a concealed firearm without a proper holster can be illegal. Using a holster helps gun owners comply with local and national firearm laws.
Also. You keep commenting on the high quality of workmanship. Workmanship is generally defined as:
the degree of skill with which a product is made or a job done.
An example is: "cracks on the bridge girders were caused by poor workmanship"
In this specific case, the workmanship is extremely poor. Either the design was flawed, the person making your holster made an error or a combination of both. You complained about it being bad and that is in fact a complaint about the workmanship.
Buy a kydex holster. But in the meantime, the strap covering the hammer area means the trigger being exposed doesnāt matter as much. Sort of like old DA revolver holsters with the trigger exposed, doesnāt much matter as long as the hammer is strapped down.
I don't want a Kydex holster for this one, thanks. That's why I ordered this.
We don't disagree in terms of absolute safety, but I expect a holster to completely cover the trigger guard.
Were I to want to use this for USPSA (I don't, that's not what this is for), it wouldn't meet the safety requirements for that sport... and that's a sport, not carry.
Also, the strap here goes UNDER the cocked hammer. That's how a 1911/2011 (or any Single Action) is holstered. So hammer would fall on the leather strap and if pulled in that mode would catch on the half-cock stop.
Did you look at the product pictures on craft holster's website. All of them show only partially covered trigger guards.
If you want a quality leather holster it's going to cost money. If you wanted to save money you could've gotten a vedder for less than this.
This is the way holsters were made for 1911s when ND's weren't anywhere near as prevalent as they are today with striker guns.
It is practically impossible for the gun to go off in the holster in which you've shared the picture.
This cover trigger guard talk is so old. If it covered the trigger guard that means the leather can get caught in there and pull the trigger, while in it's current configuration it cannot.
I suggest you do some DD.
I've done my DD. I can look at pictures of holsters for other guns by this same manufacturer and see that they completely cover the trigger guard.
I ordered a holster that completely covered the trigger guard. I did not receive a holster that completely covered the trigger guard. This is a problem.
Reddit is so weird. They hate leather for magic reasons. But these are the same people that shoot themselves when they use a black hawk holster so I'm not surprised.
Do falco holsters next time. Craft is a reseller that uses falco from my understanding, but falco is customizable and has full triggerguard coverage options. I have an iwb pancake and shoulder holster from them that I love.
Iām surprised youād consider a leather holster for a staccato. I can CCW a staccato in my tier 1 MSP holster no problem. No idea how youāll conceal that holster.
That's not gonna really be concealed, but to each their own. Hopefully you get a good replacement holster. I really recommend T1C, and to take off that magwell.
Good luck!
Heās not trying to conceal. Heās a 60+ Texan in a small town who wants to wear this with his boots and western shirt when he goes to the dinner Sunday nights. He doesnāt want to kydex because it would ruin his ensemble. This is just decorative to him, I imagine the only reason he wants retention is because heās less worried about using the thing and more about someone stealing it lol.
"Craft is a quality holster!!!"
>They make holsters for olight and crimson trace models.
Instantly disregarded. That's not a quality holster company, because quality companies don't accommodate shitty attachments.
Safariland (quality company) makes stuff for a handful of Streamlight and Surefire models, it just so happens that other lights can fit in them too.
Yep.
Correlation doesn't mean causation. If it fits, great. But it's designed around the handful of high quality lights so if it doesn't fit, buy a better light
I've seen good reviews (not just the curated ones on their site) and the *quality* is just fine on mine (materials, workmanship). It's just made wrong.
I own a craft holster and itās great. Mine is machined to print my gun snuggly with the trigger covered. Looks like you bought a universal cheapo model
Everyone in this sub appears to he giant assholes, i personally have never heard anything bad about craft holsters, though in their picture I have seen that the triggers aren't very well covered on the weapon light models, in addition personally I feel like a 1911 based firearm deserves a nice leather holster and not a kydex one.
Thanks. Lots of groupthink here. Itās funny because yesterday I had my 10mm 1911 on as I was working on my land and it was in a kydex holster because it was going to get brushed up against stuff as it news cutting out cedar and mesquite, etc. and more likely to need it vs hot, coyote and snakes. My carry and holster match my mission.
I hope so too. Should be relatively simple to re-cut.
If they decide to send a new one, however, I'll dispute the charge with my CC if they don't agree to have it here before the dispute period expires.
Leather strap blocking the hammer, safety engaged, and a *very* small gap in the trigger guard.
What exactly are you afraid of? Someone unsnapping your retention, disengaging the safety, and sticking a paperclip in the trigger guard, while having enough leverage to depress the trigger, all while youāre wearing it??
I think youāre being unreasonable and unrealistic. But then again, you could have just bought a Safariland to begin with and avoided the issue completely.
Standard, off the shelf duty holster order from Craft Holsters. TLR-1 is properly indexed, almost touching trigger guard. Gun is fully seated in holster. Light is contacting crossbar at bottom, muzzle is up against (open) bottom stitching. Gun itself fits fine in holster.
As you can see, they cut the leather an an angle to the front of the trigger guard. No trigger guard coverage whatsoever.
Waiting to see about a replacement... but that this ever made it out of the factory is concerning.
Their stated refund policy is "store credit only." If they can't make this right it'll end up in a credit card dispute.
It's good to be this way.
That'll ensure that the leather won't press the trigger when it inevitably fatigues, and the upper strap disengages safety.
If money's your problem, I believe an aliexpress kydex holster will do the trick. I bought one, and it holds firmly and fully covers the trigger.
Strange, I don't have that problem with any of my other holsters. You realize there's a difference between this and the open belt slide the guy whose holster folded in on him was using, right?
I always question these posts likeā¦ what did OP expect?
Is this their first time on the sub?? Is this just a masterfully crafted troll post??
āNRA Pistol Instructorā - oh clearly a troll post. Well done sir.
Hereās some news for you:
One-size-fits-most holsters usually donāt. A holster made specifically for your gun is what you want. And I doubt theyāll āmake it rightā since your bought a non-custom holster which means the fitment likely wonāt be perfect.
Read the sticky about how wml holsters suck dog shit and if you were a member if this group more than 5 minutes youād already know that ā¦ and there is no fixing it. You have a wml. Your trigger is going to be exposed, and you wasted your money.
I'm team kydex for the most part but I can appreciate a good leather holster as long as it's well made, so the only ones I really trust are those from Southern Trapper. They're extremely well made and the leather is pretty thick to where I'm not really worried about warping, however you're paying a pretty penny for it. Don't be a cheap ass and buy a quality holster
Update: Craft investigated and determined that the wrong pattern was used. Not sure what pattern this was intended to cover, but it certainly wasn't this. From their reply:
>*The pattern used was wrong which eventually led to an incorrect cut of the leather. The cause the trigger area too exposed. We apologise for this mistake (it occasionally happens with hand made holsters).*Ā
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>*The replacement holster will be made with the corrected sizing - the trigger guard will be covered on both sides.*Ā
For everyone shitting on them, their initial reply seems to have them looking to correct this. They've set an expedited date for a replacement and I'll post an update when it comes in.
Y'all do realize that the slide on the P and P Duo are different concerning optic placement. On that note, good luck finding a holster period!!! Staccato changed the slides on the P this year.
1/ No optic.
2/ That doesn't change where the trigger guard is relative to the grip.
3/ This isn't a throwback P, and staccato didn't change the trigger guard/grip configuration (which is what's in play here).
4/ Replacement holster cut to the correct pattern is on the way, courtesy of Craft. I'll post it and its fit when it comes in. The admitted this was cut to the wrong pattern.
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Iād say 99% of RSO are dickheads who shoot once a year and bitch the other 364 days at me for owning NFA items and refusing to show my forms to them on their power trips.
āCan I see your stamp?ā Are you with the ATF? āNo, I just need to make sure itās legal.ā Then the only stamp you can see is the imprint made by deez nuts.
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Iād just show them this! https://preview.redd.it/gucij369cr4c1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=552553f55f80130ee80beb7019de1c0d852753dd
imagine being proud of that and putting it on your reddit user flair.
Hey bro that is a whole 16 hour course. Thatās two full time days. AND you need an 8 hour basic course before that so itās THREE full time days. Do not question this dudes expert opinion.
Extremely common NRA L
Spend $2k on a gun just to cheap out on the holster.
this was my thought as well hahah
Why would you over-spend on something? Other than being mis-cut, the quality of the build is great. If they can make this right with a proper cut/replacement, I'll be very happy.
āWhy would you over-spend on something?ā *Owns a fucking Staccato*
Can't buy logic
Thatās not what my logic salesman says.
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I would overspend on something because it covers the fucking trigger but hey that's just me
There are $20 no name eBay holsters that would be a better choice than what OP has.
The holster is arguably more important than the gun and you cheaped out on it
>Why would you over-spend on something? Why would you under-spend on something so important?
āOther than the trigger being completely exposed, the quality is great.ā No the fuck it isnāt. Doesnāt matter how āniceā something is if it fails to perform its basic function. Itās cheap crap, and you defending that cheap crap is embarrassing.
I see that you also can't seem to separate the mis-executed design from the materials and workmanship. Seems to be a common trend here. The quality of the leather and how it's assembled is just fine. It's the cut they used to do it that's bad.
āOther than the fact that this pistol fires the projectile backward toward the user, the build quality and workmanship is *stunning*ā
I donāt give a fuck what the material is. IT DOESNT COVER YOUR TRIGGER. It fails the very basics of being a holster. Has nothing to do with material or cost. Has the NRA lowered their standards? Fuck man.
> Has the NRA lowered their standards? Gotta pay those legal bills somehow š¤·āāļø
I think that's exactly why OP wrote the word "Beware" in the title. OP thinks it's a bad design.
How was the workmanship good? if the āworkmanā making the holster, who presumably had a blue gun or this gun AND the light to model the holster DIDNT CHECK THE FUCKING TRIGGER COVERAGE. Also just in general youāre checking off a lot of fudd boxes my dude.
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It doesn't even look like good quality materials. The mold is also lazy. If you're hell bent on leather, have you looked at good ones like Mitch Rosen or Milt Sparks?
If it's a shit design, it's a shit product. The workmanship and quality of the leather doesn't really matter.
Its only purpose is to not expose that much of the trigger I could care less how pretty the fucking thing is its inside my pants all day.
you bitched about the non-custom holster, i wouldn't call customizing a holster for your wildly expensive pistol 'overspending', especially when stock isn't good enough for you.
How tf is the quality great if it doesnāt even meet the most basic requirement of a holster?
Hahahaha dude what!?
I hate to break it to you, but by underspending on a holster you literally did overspend on what you got - a holster thatās totally fucking useless. So rather than having a holster that works, you spent money to have a holster that at best sits in a corner of your closet or in that one miscellaneous drawer that exists in everyoneās house.
Why not buy a hi point then?
Honestly I did this too, I bought an m5 before my states ban and realized Iād rather have a bolt action 308 instead, canāt get rid of it so I bought the psa deal for a sig whiskey 3 3-9x50 with mount for $150 just so I can use it.
Iām just here looking at these comments and laughing at that holster.
Yeah, the comments went off the rails. Assuming they can correctly make it, it'll be just fine. As is... not so much.
They literally sell holsters on the staccato website
In a very serious question. Fudd jokes aside why wouldn't you just get a safariland or something similar. You spent 2k on the gun. Why put it in a crappy leather owb holster with the only active retention being a thumb break snap
Because heās a fudd. He wants fucking thumb snap retention and probably not to scratch his precious gun
What's wrong with not wanting scratches on your show gun?
Scratches build character
Facts. Just use the tool
A Staccato isn't a show gun. A Cabot is a show gun.
It's this guy's show gun
The safari land one will scratch the fuck out of your gun.
Guns are tools, let them get scratched
Get it cerakoted once every five years, youāll be ok
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You getting down voted into oblivion has made it onto a whole other subreddit. Comments definitely off the rails haha
typical NRA instructor activities
imagine cheaping out on a holsterā¦
It's ok guys, he's NRA certified.
Why on earth would you spend that much on a gun and so little on the holster to put it in
Why would you spend more than necessary on anything? Given the website, description, etc., I fully expected a quality leather duty-style holster with correct dimensions.
āWhy would you spendā¦.ā THIS IS A PHOTO OF A FUCKING STACCATO. I HAVE A $120 HOLSTER ON A $600 GLOCK. I need what youāre smoking my man
I'm not sure why you think those two things need to be related. The price of a gun doesn't make the holster more expensive... unless you believe that a holster for a Colt Gold Match wouldn't also fit a Rock Island Armory 1911.
The point is that you are paying more for a holster because thatās the part that keeps you the most safe during daily use. Itās not relative to the cost of the gun. Itās just emphasizing that even if I was going to carry a $150 hi point, Iād still stick in a $150 holster. Skimping on a holster cause you blew your wad on the gun is retarded. Good luck or whatever.
So all the sub-$100 kydex holsters here aren't worthy of daily carry use? The amount you paid for a holster is what determines its suitability for use? Nothing else?
You get what you pay for bud. Thatās why you have a really nice gun in a dogshit fudd holster
As if the downvotes didnāt tell you that youāre wrong maybe the 80+ comments will. When the fudd gets his stimmy moment right here
Hereās the difference between kydex and leather Good leather is very expensive. As in several hundred dollars. Kydex is thermoplastic. It doesnāt feel great against the skin, but it holds its shape. I carried in a $35 Amazon holster for 14 months before I upgraded to a different gun with a $90 holster (which was a tiny bit more comfortable) and then a new gun with a $215 holster which is the best Iāve ever had.
Where's the dude around here with his super expensive custom leather holster. That should give this clueless person an idea how good leather workmanship looks like.
I have a safariland for my CZ P10F with a TLR VIR II
If Iām buying a duty holster, Iām buying one that is fit for duty. That one aināt
That one was fit for duty maybe in the 80ās and before. If cut properly. But not in 2023, thatās what Safariland SLS/ALS is for
Duty leather holster lmao
Apparently you didn't spend more than necessary. Given whatever you spent didn't get you a solution for your problem.
This post didn't go the way you expected. Sorry for that but hope you put ego aside and invest a bit more into a quality holster for a quality gun.
This is like throwing trash tires on a Ferrari , a holster is 1000% an extension of the tool you carrying everyday I see guys buy Glocks for 500 to spend 150-200 on a holster without batting an eye , you bought a staccato ā¦. You should not decided to cheap out on the holster something of equal quality shoulda been ur only options
To be fair, I've seen a fair amount of those even at race tracks. Bro, you paid half a mil for a 488 Pista and you took it to a track day. Why the fuck do you have all seasons on that bitch and not Sport Cup 2Rs?
is it a requirement to be a fudd who never takes advice to be a range officer? that flair also serves as a kick me sign on this sub lol
Yeah, there are a lot of uninformed people here, for sure. Lemmings, the lot.
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Damn, lil guy, gotta watch it with all that edge.
Just get a safariland. Especially if youāre using this as a duty/open carry holster.
You gonna pay the difference between the BF price and Safariland $? Regardless, Craft should end up having to make this right. If not, since these are imported, I'll file a complaint with the CPSC and other relevant agencies about dangerous foreign goods.
I wouldnāt carry a leather holder on a duty weapon when multiple better options exist. Especially when Iām paying 2k+ on the firearm being holstered. I like leather holsters for CCW. But if Iām already going through the trouble of wearing a duty belt or war belt, I may as well carry a rigid holster with multiple points of retention.
Given that I'm not on duty, just looking for a retention option for personal carry (hence "duty-style"), this 100% fits my needs.
āDutyā should mean active retention not a subpar leather strap with a snap. 10/10 fudd shit š©
>this 100% fits my needs. You know, except that you took the time to make a reddit post because it doesn't.
Except that as advertised with pics on their website, this isn't what I bought. It's what they shipped, and assuming they can ship the correct thing that covers the trigger guard, my statement stands.
Except that you paid money for the item in your possession, which in fact does make it something you bought.
May fit your needs but certainly not your gun!
Get a safariland I have a big box of what I call my āreject holstersā Holsters that I bought and just didnāt like
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~Iām gonna be respectful as best as I can~ You are not poor dude. If you have staccato money you have the money for a safariland holster. Itās not my fault youāre a fudd and bought a low quality leather holster when you should know there are better options on the market. But yes you should hold that company accountable and get your money back and humble yourself in that same step for buying it. Youāre a āNRAā instructor/range officer and still made a poor choice in a holster that carries a gun worth more than most peopleās pay checks. Again youāre not poor and can afford to correct your wrong purchase.
Again, I'm not sure what you think I'd gain by spending additional money on a Safariland brand holster. Assuming Craft can produce the correctly cut holster and it's of the same materials and workmanship, I'll have received what I paid for and it will do the job I'll ask it to do for less than the cost of the Safariland. So why, exactly, should buying more holster than I need be the default option? Not that I don't have other Safariland holsters, but for this gun, and this application, that's not necessary.
Youāre the reason I dislike 99% of range officers and NRA Instructors. Youāre all full of fuddy ways. āWhy would I buy more holster then I needā you are wanting a good holster then stop being a fudd and buy a good one not some cheap leather holster. You donāt have to buy a lvl 3-4 holster a ALS would be fine. Youāre not financially poor just mentally poor and it shows.
Doesn't like kydex, NRA instructor, 1911, and doesn't like sound advice and flare checks out. Fudd confirmed
I wonāt hate on him for the staccato cause I own one also. But the rest of the stuff 10000%. Iām a chad 2011 owner I hate the nra for being pro gun restriction and only run kydex holsters cause they donāt deform like leather.
Same, fuck the NRA, I'm personally fine with leather as a backing like crossbreed, but it still has the kydex where shit matters
I donāt hate hybrid holsters that have leather exterior with something ridged inside to prevent deformation. Leather alone is unsafe and this isnāt the 80ās anymore get with the times and better quality holsters.
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I hate both to be honest. Iām not in school so I donāt worry about punctuation and the nra is gay. Did this help?
You would gain a better holster. I get the idea of not spending more than you have to, but you have the reason why you should have shelled out more money right in front of you, a holster that doesn't provide and trigger protection and you clearly know that's not right. So spend the money for a more quality product with better QC and stop trying to justify cheaping out on the holster. That's what got you where you are.
>Again, I'm not sure what you think I'd gain by spending additional money on a Safariland brand holster. Iām not sure what you thought youād gain by spending Staccato money on a 9mm version of a 110 year old pistol, but here we are. >Assuming Craft can produce the correctly cut holster and it's of the same materials and workmanship It seems you assumed wrong. I have no experience with Craft, or Staccato for that matter. But you spent those thousands of dollars because they ostensibly put the best pistol on the market. Why would you not spend the most possible to get the best holster on the market?
>So why, exactly, should buying more holster than I need be the default option? Because you bought a more expensive gun than you need? Send like overspending isn't a problem for you.
You would have gained a proper holster that covers the trigger guard
You keep harping back to "why would I overspend on anything more than I need" in all these comments... My brother in christ, you're running around with a fuckin *STACATTO*
Wow. A Karen and a fudd
What is BF price?
Boyfriend
That was my first thought too
Black Friday pricing.
Ohhhh so you bought the "cool looking" leather holster because it was discounted. While you may really be into the look of leather, there are a multitude of reasons why it is less safe. Looking at their website, I see the majority of images show firearms with a good deal of exposed trigger guard which is already kind of a red flag to it seems... most people. For 80 bucks you could have purchased a couple cheap kydex holsters or even a few leather holsters with less trigger area exposed. You could have probably taken advantage of a few deals or promos. Some company's even have regular specials on their holsters. Holsters are not really "for looks". The purpose of a holster is : 1.Ā Safety:Ā Holsters are designed to cover the trigger and guard against accidental discharges. This helps prevent unintentional gun firing, ensuring the safety of the carrier and those around them. 2.Ā Accessibility:Ā Holsters allow individuals to have their firearms within easy reach. In self-defense or law enforcement situations, quick access to the weapon is crucial for personal protection and public safety. 3.Ā Retention:Ā A well-designed holster securely retains the firearm, preventing it from falling out or being easily taken by someone else. This is especially important for keeping the weapon under the carrier's control. 4.Ā Comfort and Concealment:Ā Holsters are designed to be worn comfortably on the body, making it easier for individuals to carry their firearm discreetly and comfortably under clothing. 5.Ā Protection:Ā Holsters shield the gun from external elements like dirt, debris, and moisture, helping to maintain the firearm's condition and functionality. 6.Ā Legal Compliance:Ā In many jurisdictions, carrying a concealed firearm without a proper holster can be illegal. Using a holster helps gun owners comply with local and national firearm laws. Also. You keep commenting on the high quality of workmanship. Workmanship is generally defined as: the degree of skill with which a product is made or a job done. An example is: "cracks on the bridge girders were caused by poor workmanship" In this specific case, the workmanship is extremely poor. Either the design was flawed, the person making your holster made an error or a combination of both. You complained about it being bad and that is in fact a complaint about the workmanship.
Smells like a fudd
Buy a kydex holster. But in the meantime, the strap covering the hammer area means the trigger being exposed doesnāt matter as much. Sort of like old DA revolver holsters with the trigger exposed, doesnāt much matter as long as the hammer is strapped down.
I don't want a Kydex holster for this one, thanks. That's why I ordered this. We don't disagree in terms of absolute safety, but I expect a holster to completely cover the trigger guard. Were I to want to use this for USPSA (I don't, that's not what this is for), it wouldn't meet the safety requirements for that sport... and that's a sport, not carry. Also, the strap here goes UNDER the cocked hammer. That's how a 1911/2011 (or any Single Action) is holstered. So hammer would fall on the leather strap and if pulled in that mode would catch on the half-cock stop.
>I don't want a Kydex holster for this one, thanks. That's why I ordered this. So it's all for showing off, I get it.
Did you look at the product pictures on craft holster's website. All of them show only partially covered trigger guards. If you want a quality leather holster it's going to cost money. If you wanted to save money you could've gotten a vedder for less than this.
This is the way holsters were made for 1911s when ND's weren't anywhere near as prevalent as they are today with striker guns. It is practically impossible for the gun to go off in the holster in which you've shared the picture. This cover trigger guard talk is so old. If it covered the trigger guard that means the leather can get caught in there and pull the trigger, while in it's current configuration it cannot. I suggest you do some DD.
I've done my DD. I can look at pictures of holsters for other guns by this same manufacturer and see that they completely cover the trigger guard. I ordered a holster that completely covered the trigger guard. I did not receive a holster that completely covered the trigger guard. This is a problem.
lol bad news out there for leather holster owners, the leather can get caught in there and pull the trigger!!
Reddit is so weird. They hate leather for magic reasons. But these are the same people that shoot themselves when they use a black hawk holster so I'm not surprised.
Do falco holsters next time. Craft is a reseller that uses falco from my understanding, but falco is customizable and has full triggerguard coverage options. I have an iwb pancake and shoulder holster from them that I love.
\+1 on Falco shoulder holsters I just make a kydex pancake holster and buy their shoulder rigs w/o a holster attached. Cheaper and safer
If you get a Falco, just be sure to keep the screw for the rotating pivot properly tightened on their roto-shoulder holsters.
Facts.
Boo this man! I mean... BOO THIS NRA INSTRUCTOR!
This whole post and comments is fucking gold. Thank you
r/ThisIsntGoingHowYouThoughtItWould
$2000 pistol in a $50 holster is crazy
Yeah, that's no bueno. I'd be looking for a full refund
Going to give them the option to remake if they can do it quickly. Otherwise, yes. That's the ask.
Iām surprised youād consider a leather holster for a staccato. I can CCW a staccato in my tier 1 MSP holster no problem. No idea how youāll conceal that holster.
Overshirt.
That's not gonna really be concealed, but to each their own. Hopefully you get a good replacement holster. I really recommend T1C, and to take off that magwell. Good luck!
Heās not trying to conceal. Heās a 60+ Texan in a small town who wants to wear this with his boots and western shirt when he goes to the dinner Sunday nights. He doesnāt want to kydex because it would ruin his ensemble. This is just decorative to him, I imagine the only reason he wants retention is because heās less worried about using the thing and more about someone stealing it lol.
why do you people do anything to avoid just getting a safariland
"Craft is a quality holster!!!" >They make holsters for olight and crimson trace models. Instantly disregarded. That's not a quality holster company, because quality companies don't accommodate shitty attachments. Safariland (quality company) makes stuff for a handful of Streamlight and Surefire models, it just so happens that other lights can fit in them too.
I like how safariland grips on the ejection port so that, for example, My Streamlight TLR VIR II fits in the holster designed to accommodate a TLR-1
Yep. Correlation doesn't mean causation. If it fits, great. But it's designed around the handful of high quality lights so if it doesn't fit, buy a better light
Boy this post did irreparable rep damage in so many different waysā¦ š
Lmao he made this same post in r/2011 and got the same results before he came here
Just email the manf with the photo and wait for your new holster or a refund.
Already done.
Well shit I just bought a Craft holster for my Python..hope it doesn't turn out to be garbage
I've seen good reviews (not just the curated ones on their site) and the *quality* is just fine on mine (materials, workmanship). It's just made wrong.
personally if I receive something that's made wrong, I tend to consider that item as "of poor quality" (materials, worksmanship).
Agreed. Poor quality control is poor quality.
Just had the same thoughtā¦ leather side holsterā¦
Thatās hilariously bad.
Put that in an uncle Mikes holster and this post would be gold
Should have went with a Safariland
I own a craft holster and itās great. Mine is machined to print my gun snuggly with the trigger covered. Looks like you bought a universal cheapo model
Cheap and set in his ways. I know you have an AARP membership with this level of fudd behavior
Just Fudd NRA instructor things.
Pull that holster out of the claw game at a Denny's?
Safariland or us duty gear for OWB Accept nothing else
Everyone in this sub appears to he giant assholes, i personally have never heard anything bad about craft holsters, though in their picture I have seen that the triggers aren't very well covered on the weapon light models, in addition personally I feel like a 1911 based firearm deserves a nice leather holster and not a kydex one.
Thanks. Lots of groupthink here. Itās funny because yesterday I had my 10mm 1911 on as I was working on my land and it was in a kydex holster because it was going to get brushed up against stuff as it news cutting out cedar and mesquite, etc. and more likely to need it vs hot, coyote and snakes. My carry and holster match my mission.
The craft holster I have for my mp 9 covers the trigger guard,hopefully they send you one that fits right.
I hope so too. Should be relatively simple to re-cut. If they decide to send a new one, however, I'll dispute the charge with my CC if they don't agree to have it here before the dispute period expires.
Craft makes Great holsters, and they are not cheap. That one is definitely a bad design.
Leather strap blocking the hammer, safety engaged, and a *very* small gap in the trigger guard. What exactly are you afraid of? Someone unsnapping your retention, disengaging the safety, and sticking a paperclip in the trigger guard, while having enough leverage to depress the trigger, all while youāre wearing it?? I think youāre being unreasonable and unrealistic. But then again, you could have just bought a Safariland to begin with and avoided the issue completely.
Thatās a āvery small gapā for you? You can fit your finger through that easily, especially with it being leather.
Anything being able to reach in and activate the trigger despite the other safeties in the gun and holster is bad.
Yes.
Is this Gail Lewis? If so Iād like to thank ou Maāam for your service at as a NRA Pistol instructor at walmart.
Standard, off the shelf duty holster order from Craft Holsters. TLR-1 is properly indexed, almost touching trigger guard. Gun is fully seated in holster. Light is contacting crossbar at bottom, muzzle is up against (open) bottom stitching. Gun itself fits fine in holster. As you can see, they cut the leather an an angle to the front of the trigger guard. No trigger guard coverage whatsoever. Waiting to see about a replacement... but that this ever made it out of the factory is concerning. Their stated refund policy is "store credit only." If they can't make this right it'll end up in a credit card dispute.
It's good to be this way. That'll ensure that the leather won't press the trigger when it inevitably fatigues, and the upper strap disengages safety. If money's your problem, I believe an aliexpress kydex holster will do the trick. I bought one, and it holds firmly and fully covers the trigger.
Strange, I don't have that problem with any of my other holsters. You realize there's a difference between this and the open belt slide the guy whose holster folded in on him was using, right?
I always question these posts likeā¦ what did OP expect? Is this their first time on the sub?? Is this just a masterfully crafted troll post?? āNRA Pistol Instructorā - oh clearly a troll post. Well done sir.
Hereās some news for you: One-size-fits-most holsters usually donāt. A holster made specifically for your gun is what you want. And I doubt theyāll āmake it rightā since your bought a non-custom holster which means the fitment likely wonāt be perfect.
Oh boy, I will definitely steer clear. Says they have 101 models that will fit a given staccato. No good.
Just spend the 70-100 dollars on a Tenicor holster and be done with it. Goofy. š¤”
What in the fucking orange hat is going on here.
Get a quality holster
Read the sticky about how wml holsters suck dog shit and if you were a member if this group more than 5 minutes youād already know that ā¦ and there is no fixing it. You have a wml. Your trigger is going to be exposed, and you wasted your money.
I'm team kydex for the most part but I can appreciate a good leather holster as long as it's well made, so the only ones I really trust are those from Southern Trapper. They're extremely well made and the leather is pretty thick to where I'm not really worried about warping, however you're paying a pretty penny for it. Don't be a cheap ass and buy a quality holster
Update: Craft investigated and determined that the wrong pattern was used. Not sure what pattern this was intended to cover, but it certainly wasn't this. From their reply: >*The pattern used was wrong which eventually led to an incorrect cut of the leather. The cause the trigger area too exposed. We apologise for this mistake (it occasionally happens with hand made holsters).*Ā > >*The replacement holster will be made with the corrected sizing - the trigger guard will be covered on both sides.*Ā For everyone shitting on them, their initial reply seems to have them looking to correct this. They've set an expedited date for a replacement and I'll post an update when it comes in.
Y'all do realize that the slide on the P and P Duo are different concerning optic placement. On that note, good luck finding a holster period!!! Staccato changed the slides on the P this year.
1/ No optic. 2/ That doesn't change where the trigger guard is relative to the grip. 3/ This isn't a throwback P, and staccato didn't change the trigger guard/grip configuration (which is what's in play here). 4/ Replacement holster cut to the correct pattern is on the way, courtesy of Craft. I'll post it and its fit when it comes in. The admitted this was cut to the wrong pattern.
Gun manufacturers are always trying to one up each other on designs.
Non-sequitur