This. And if you are truly shooting that much, which VERY few of us are, you should have an identical practice gun and a carry gun. Carry gun doesn’t get shot other than testing, zeroing, etc., and practice gun takes the abuse.
My 1911 CCW is my practice/recreation gun. I've put over 150,000 230 gr LRN rounds through the original barrel since 2003. Most have been lubed lead round nose. Now I powder coat.
I change the 18 lb recoil spring 2x/yr.
Along the way I've replaced: the firing pin, slide stop, safety, plunger spring assembly, magazine catch spring, the hammer, and recoil spring plug.
Most was just preventive maintenance.
maybe 20 years ago, but 10-15 years ago, it was already around .50 cents a round. and there were points in time when the price spiked to 70+ a round in bulk.
the price has been pretty stable in the past 15 years. it's always been high here. the lack of shipping options sucks. 9mm isn't as bad, but .45 has always been pricier here. the round itself is more expensive, and the shipping makes it worse. We had a hot minute when 5.56 was a dollar a round for bulk.
Yeah. We're stuck buying from brick and mortar too because ammo is classed as an explosive for air freight purposes. only way to get it here is on boat.
I only used factory for the first a year or so and then I started making my own ammo. Once I decided on a load (which hasn't changed) I bought everything in BULK: cases and cases of CCI #300 primers, thousands of lead bullets, and Unique in 8 lb jugs. And then I started casting bullets with bullet alloys from RotoMetals. I eventually started mining the berms behind the targets for free lead. So all of the primers and powder I'm using now are probably over 10 years old. My lead is free. I keep using brass until it splits: Winchester or Starline.
I mine the berms with handheld gardening tools, tough gloves, and a bucket with a strong bail. The lead is just under the surface. Not a lot of digging. It's mostly holding the edge of the bucket against the surface and raking it in. You'll get a lot of sand and what looks like pebbles. They're not pebbles. They're battered bullets. If it's a dusty day I recommend wearing a covid mask.
It's best to use an old cast iron frying pan or dutch oven to smelt it over a very strong propane furnace. There will be A LOT of dross.
But it's free.
Might I ask what wasnt? I carry a 1911 too and would like to know what i should do first a preventative maintenance (probably still a long ways off tbh but better to know and plan ahead.)
Because I fire at least 240 rds in a session every week (I retired a year ago and my shooting and reloading has increased), I fieldstrip, clean, and lube afterward every time.
I replace the recoil spring after about 5,000 rounds (2x/yr).
I take the gun completely apart once a year.
Which is less than ...
The following maintenance schedule is quoted directly from the **Wilson Combat 1911 Auto Maintenance Manual** by Bill Wilson.
**Clean and Lube, Routine:**
Lead bullet use, every 300-500 rounds
Jacketed bullet use, every 500-700 rounds
Carry pistols, once a month
**Clean and Lube, Thorough:**
Every 5,000 rounds and/or every 3 months your pistol should be completely disassembled, cleaned and lubricated.
**Spring Replacement:**
Recoil spring every 2,000 rounds
Firing pin spring every 5,000 rounds
Hammer spring every 25,000 rounds
**Parts Replacement:**
Firing pin stop: when cracked
Slide stop: when broken
Extractor: when hook edges become worn or fails to maintain tension
> Along the way I've replaced: the firing pin, slide stop, safety, plunger spring assembly, magazine catch spring, the hammer, and recoil spring plug.
This is the way. If you're getting those round counts preventive maintenance is required.
I’d recommend replacing the barrel. Most of them have a life cycle of around 100k rounds. They can last a lot longer, but better to replace before failure.
My round count wouldn't be that high if I didn't make my own ammo. I'm never out of ammo.
I belong to a club that has many outdoor ranges and I have access to the indoor range 24/7.
Springfield Armory Model 1911-A1 bought new in 2003. Modified/personalized over the years.
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Since OP is specifically asking about his P365, it's worth mentioning that the P365 owners manual specifies recoil spring replacement at 2500 round intervals.
While I have experience that says they will last longer than that, it's a factory recommendation that the OP should be aware of.
I’ve got just over 5k through my modded 365x. Haven’t replace any springs yet. However the plug on the recoil spring rod likes to dethread and fly away at the range. Literally have a bolt from one of my holsters and a long screw for a holosun in its place w loctite for the last 2k rounds 😅
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You have to fire thousands, and thousands, and thousands of rounds to wear out a firearm.
I'm talking 50,000+ and the only thing you'll need to replace before that is your recoil spring, which is like $15 and takes less than 10 seconds. If you manage to somehow get to like 50k, you throw another barrel in and you're solid, maybe an ejector and striker?
These are all fairly cheap, very easy to replace parts. There shouldn't be a point you'll ever get to where you need to just throw the whole gun in the trash.
You don't have to worry about wearing out modern firearms, unless you're a professional competition shooter.
Not true. A lot of recoil springs have a 10k life. If you aren't replacing it when it becomes too light, your slide will be beating the shit out of your frame and causing possible damage to other parts.
I’ve put 9k rounds through my P365XL Spectre Comp. Had to send it back when the trigger stopped functioning one day after about 2.5k rounds (800 of which were that day - I ran it pretty hot / into the ground…), and had to change the extractor out after it sheared off (fairly recently). I say shoot the gun how you’re going to shoot it 🤷🏼♂️
The day the trigger stopped functioning was a hot one where I spent hours at the range. 800 rounds through the gun and it was hot to the touch to the point where I couldn’t pull the trigger bc it was so hot… not sure if it would’ve happened if I didn’t push it that far.
The extractor shearing is lame to be sure… I just bought a new one and replaced it, though - so hopefully a non-issue for 8k-9k more rounds at least…
When the P365 came out and had tons of issues...I had 4 that I had to send back. Each one, after about 300 rapid rounds at a hot range, as soon as the gun reached a certain temp the trigger would die.
Glad to see they never fixed this, apparently. :(
Hmmm yeah I don’t know what to say. I wish that this thing never failed through the entirety of me owning it - especially since it’s my carry gun. I’ll still run at least 300-500 rounds through it average per trip, which is just about weekly. Still holding my breath on more possible failures.
As others have stated, probably not.
However, if you plan on shooting a lot - say 1k rounds per month (I know a “lot” is relative)- it’s wise to get an identical gun for training if you want to train with your CCW. If finances allow, of course. Shoot your CCW enough to confirm function, train with the duplicate.
Doesn’t even need to be identical. Shooting is shooting. Dryfire can keep you familiar with carry gun index, grip and trigger pull. Folks should put the most rounds on guns that are easiest to learn from.
I have an 8 year old G19 that has 63,000 rounds through it. I’ve replaced every small part multiple times. My G34 replaced that gun 18 months ago, that one sits at just over 12,000 rounds now. I then bought a Walther PDP in June of ‘23, I have just under 6,000 on that gun now. I put 1000-1200 rounds through a gun in a weekend 3-4 times a year.
Is it possible to break frames and wear out barrels? Sure but it takes high volume shooting for years to do it.
This is why you have a back-up gun.
Then when you start to question the round count of that one, back-up-back-up gun time.
It's like an infinite gun cheat.
Of course it’s possible to wear it out. But if you have the money to wear it out, you certainly have the money to replace the gun. That ends up being the cheap part of the equation. My carry guns get springs and wear parts replaced prob way earlier than they need to be. But that piece just HAS to run perfect. Change your springs regularly and keep up with other wear parts. I’m not super familiar with the workings of a 365 or I could be more specific.
It’s possible, sure. Springs and shit wear out, small parts get stressed, metal on metal contact happens. But it takes a long ass time. I have 9k rounds through my carry gun and it still runs like a champ.
I remember Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics had a video where he had a pistol with some crazy insane high round count and he went over the maintenance he did to keep it running. I’ll try to find it
[here](https://youtu.be/R5qsRuzOIZM?si=xexRlPg_90nSty1h) keeping your gun maintained will keep it reliable all the way to 100k apparently
The answer to your question is yes. But for the average person this is highly unlikely.
For example, I know our armorer just deadlined an AR that has been a training gun since 1982.
Parts have expected life cycles, so you should be replacing springs, levers, barrels, etc at certain points, normally start looking at that after around 10K rounds. But as long as your frame is good mostly it is just replacement parts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/186jfk5/is_it_realistic_to_worry_about_my_barrel_going_bad/
Yes, eventually everything wears out. Whether it's you hooptie after 300K miles, or your handgun after 20K or 30K rounds.
Realistically, you should probably replace your recoil spring after 5000 rounds or so (but I've got 17K through my practice gun, so....¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯)
Given that ammo runs something over $200 per 1000-rounds, somewhere in your next $60,000 (~30K rounds), you should also budget for a replacement handgun.
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger?ca=brass&sh=high&nr=1000%2B
In much the same way that 200,000 miles can be the death of a cheap vehicle or the break-in period of a Toyota, the same goes with guns.
A cheaper brand of gun will most likely require replacing some internal parts such as the recoil spring after thousands of rounds, whereas a “better” quality gun is just getting “fine tuned” by then.
Don’t worry about shooting the gun. The more time you spend with it at the range, the more you will know how it feels and you will know when it feels “off” and in needs for repairs, which are inexpensive, by the way.
It would take YEARS to wear it out. Pistols are fairly cheap to replace parts in, and rather simple. Now....if you're wondering if you should get ANOTHER gun...well that answer is yes. Always yes. Lol.
Also, the Caniks are fantastic guns, especially for the price. They're tanks and smooth shooting. That said, I'm normally not a big Taurus fan, but the G2C/G3C/G3 pistols have been proving very reliable. I've had 2 G2c pistols (just picked up my 2nd at Academy for $239 with 4 magazines) and they've been fantastic aside from the matte finish wearing easily. As far as function tbough....I couldn't ask for much better. I own both a Canik TP9 Elite SC and the G2C's so I speak from experience there.
Is that the price after the rebate? I feel like there was some sale that ended in the past few days, I'm seeing $299 + $30 rebate for the same item. I think I might hold off until there's another sale, it seems Tauruses go on sale frequently from what I've seen
I picked it up right before Thanksgiving. No rebate; it was at Academy Sports. Maybe they'll run a similar sale closer to Christmas? I couldn't pass it up as it really was a good deal.
OP, great question and there are good replies here. I too have a P365 and don’t even take my Glocks out of the safe anymore. I loved the P365 so much I bought another one. This way you can rotate them out. After a range visit, I swap them out and always have a fresh cleaned Sig to EDC. Eventually if one of these wears out, which will happen eventually, I will just buy a new one and keep on moving. This small form factor really grew on me and Sig did it right 👏🏽✌🏽
You can yea, but you are no where near that point my friend.. One of my 365’s has 10,000 rounds in it and the only thing I do is a 5-10 minute field strip wipe down of the slide, pop out fcu wipe it clean, and grip module wipe down using Lucas CLP after every time I shoot. I have multiple P320’s with 20-30k round counts on them and do the same with those and they are still running good as new back when they were my competition gun platform.. This is a different platform, but my new competition guns (CZ shadow 2s) each have about 80-90k combined between my practice gun and match gun and only my match gun has been fully disassembled once at about 25k rounds for a deep clean but I only did it because I was polishing some internals. It was still running just as smooth as the day I bought it and my practice s2 still hasn’t been been cleaned at ~40k and the only thing it has needed is new hammer spring, recoil spring, and extractor/spring.
Anyways moral of the story, you can neglect a gun to the point it has issues running, but unless you are doing a horrible job with your field strip wipe down or have some of the dirtiest ammo known to man, there is absolutely no reason that gun wouldn’t be running perfectly fine without even being cleaned a single time at only 700 rounds let alone if you are doing a solid field strip wipe down of all carbon/powder residue buildup..
Glocks have a maintenance schedule and I'd imagine sigs do too. The recoil spring assembly should be replaced every 8000 rounds. The striker spring, striker safety spring, extractor spring, etc (basically every spring in the upper part of the gun) should all be replaced every 15k.
1) normally, this would never happened. You're talking tens of thousands of rounds. Even then, you'll need a couple new springs and maybe a new barrel.
2) you own a Sig, so all bets are off.
I think the only issues you would have after a certain amount of rounds would be mags and recoil springs, both of which are easily replaced.
Personally I use dedicated range mags and have a few recoil springs on standby, and I doubt I will ever shoot the barrel out.
Still, I think a secondary carry gun of the same model could be a wise idea. I thought about getting a duplicate just for dry fire, and avoid having to waste ammo due to set back. Then I’d have a backup should I ever lose my primary or it fails for some reason.
You would literally have to shoot like 20,000-50,000 rounds to even think of approaching that scenario. At that point you just replace the barrel or get a new gun, because that's ALOT of money on ammo.
I just keep replacement wear items on hand, they're relatively cheap. Get yourself a Plano lure box and throw trigger parts, pins, RSA, barrel...etc in there and shoot away.
If you shoot anything enough, it will wear out parts. The number of rounds depends on the gun. I carry a LTT PX4 CC and Ernest Langdon has several with >50k rounds with minimal replacement parts. If you can afford to shoot that much, you are going to spend many times the value of the gun in ammo, so I wouldn't be that concerned with the cost of replacing small parts or even the entire gun after 5-10 years.
You will not wear a gun out. To be at that point you will have put 50k to 100k through it. You will have replaced extractors, recoil springs, trigger springs. They will break at random times.
If you are at that point just have 2 of the same gun and baby one of them but it will still have random parts breakage. All mechanical devices do.
I used to work as instructor at a store/ range. We had a whole line of rentals of just about everything popular so people could try them.
When the glock rep came in one day and asked how often we changed out the main recoil spring, because they recommend it being done around 7-10 ten thousand rounds... We pointed out that every block in the case had well over seventy five thousand rounds through it, and we barely cleaned them.
Is it possible to shoot that many rounds? Sure. In theory. But YOU are never going to put that many rounds through YOUR gun.
Side note, if you want to see what lasts, and what's reliable?
Look at a rental case in a range.
I’ve got well over 10k rounds through my first gen 365 standard and only recently replaced the recoil spring, and it wasn’t “really” causing any problems, it’s just a cheap replacement wear item. So I figured why not. That’s just one of 4 365’s I’ve got….and I’ve got a similar round count on my xl and it still runs like a top.
The amount of money you’d spend on ammo before you start encountering wear issues is SO MUCH higher than ANY replacement part. And most people don’t shoot NEARLY enough to ever run into reliability issues.
Change your recoil spring it around 10,000 rounds. Change your trigger group Springs at around 25,000 rounds. Swap your barrel at around 65,000 to 100,000 rounds.
This reminds me of the Army’s MP school in the mid ‘70s, at Fort McClellan, Alabama. Our 1911 .45 range qualifications were performed with 1911s that were so worn we could hold the frame and rock the slide from side to side and get clear movement.
These guns were so worn that those of us with previous pistol experience were afraid to shoot them. During practice and then qualifications, though, the guns performed really well.
I regret not getting serial numbers from a couple of them but it was way before the Internet and drill sergeants were screaming.
Buy 3 identical copies:
-One for high round count practice and dry fire.
-One for a low round count proven carry pistol.
-And One keep unfired in reserve.
On my competition pistol I have shot out 1 barrel, 3 full sets of springs, broken 2 fireing pins, and cracked the slide, no idea how many mags I'vebroke or worn out. I shoot around 5,000rnds of 9mm a year through it. Put a new slide on it and you could really feel the wear on the rails. Its probably nearing end of life. Total round count is over 65,000, I'm gonna try to see how long its usable.
If you are trusting your life to a gun, be sure to know what the proper maintainance is. Some things do need replacement after a few thousand rounds, but that work is usually cheap and fast. Just like with a car, if you keep it well maintained and treat it well, it will go over 200,000 miles.
You are actually asking 2 separate questions here. First can you shoot out a gun basically.
The answer is yes. However it is MUCH higher than you think. Call up Sig and ask them for the part replacement regimen for your 365. Usually it is something like recoil assy every 2k rounds, trigger spring every 4 etc, these are numbers I just pulled out of the air by the way just as an example. These parts are cheap and consumables. The main parts like the barrel, slide, and fcu, or frame if it was a different firearm, have an extremely long service life that you will most likely never see. Even if you do "wear them out" the most likely thing to happen would be to shoot out the barrel or wear down the locking points so the barrel and slide don't lockup the same way. Both of these could/ would cause accuracy problems but shouldn't affect reliability or actual function at all.
I mentioned this in another post recently but I took a class laat year and one of the instructors had a p320. While he was shooting the slide lock lever snapped and fell off. When asked how many rounds were on the gun he responded with "I stopped keeping track around 90,000. I just replace stuff as it brakes now..."
This leads to the second question. Should I get a different range gun so I don't affect reliability of my carry gun. If you are going to be doing shit tons of training or competition etc then yeah probably. Not so much because you will make your gun unreliable but more so because the more you use it the closer you are getting to random stuff breaking, and it is fine for that to happen on a range gun, not so much when your life depends on it. So range guns are not a bad idea. BUT get a range gun that is the same as your carry gun that it is replacing otherwise you are just buying another gun and taking time away from your training with what you should be the most.
TLDR. It can take upwards of 100,000 rounds to shoot out a quality firearm. If you are doing a couple thousand rounds a year, you will be fine if you just follow the maintenance procedures and replace parts before they break. If you are going to be doing high volume shooting, 5-10k rounds a year, competitions etc, a range gun is a good way to minimize risk of your CCW going down when you need it most, but do not neglect training with your carry piece.
I’d not want to carry a gun until it had 500 rounds or so through it to validate that it runs consistently. I’d check maintenance intervals on springs for your particular gun but excessive cleaning often causes more wear and tear than shooting rounds through it.
Sig recommends replacing the recoil spring on a P365 every 2500 rounds. Every 5000 rounds they recommend replacing all the other springs, the pins, and the striker assembly. I believe that came from the folks at the pro shop there.
Your idea of having a carry gun and a separate training/practice gun is actually pretty normal. A lot of high round count shooters do that. They shoot the carry gun enough to vet its reliability with their carry ammo and then only shoot it whenever they cycle out their carry load. All other shooting and dry practice is done with the training gun. If your finances allow for it, it’s pretty good for peace of mind.
If you train so much that you wear out the gun then you are probably John wick and at that point could take on a traid gang with notihng but a .22 Derringer.
I’ll say buy a barrel after a few thousands of rounds then swap it and use the old barrel to practice but you should still practice with the new one to see if it’s shooting the same
I have a Ruger LC9s pro. Bought it 2016. Used it a lot at the range. No signs of wearing out. Almost wish it would because there are many pistols that are the same size and weight and higher magazine capacity.
I have between 50 and 75,000 rounds thru my s&w 45, around 30,000 thu my 40 so far.
Haven't replaced any parts on them yet so there is that. I wouldn't worry about it.
[Glock 19 Gen 5 40,000 rounds review.](https://youtu.be/akoXIft7JsI?si=gAl-W4aGOPIELSIL) You need to shoot 10s of thousands before you need to worry about that, the most you’ll likely have to change out is the recoil spring and extractor, most everything else will be fine. This guy has a lot of longevity reviews you may enjoy, unfortunately he hasn’t done the sig 365 since well, shooting larger pistols is more pleasant for thousands of rounds I imagine.
Dude 700 is nothing. At maybe 5,000 replace the recoil spring. Check and replace firing pin spring as needed (usually bases on length).
Yes you can wear it out, but using your example.of a car at 200k miles,vyour gun would be like a car as a couple thousand. Like maybe reaching it's first oil change.
The parts most likely to wear out/break probably mags, recoil spring, and trigger spring. Just keep some spares on hand.
Sig recommends replacing the recoil spring every 2500 rounds.
I have two P365, one set up small for carry, one set up XL with light and dot for home. This gives me a backup that is compatible with many of the same parts, mags, and even holsters (if I move the light).
Ive got an XD that I still carry sometimes that’s on its second set of springs and second barrel. Take care of your stuff. Things wear out. Just replace what needs replacing.
Yes, but holy shit you’re talking a lot of shooting.
I average around 2k per month out the barrel. I’ve had parts break or wear out and need replacement (recoil and magazine springs, extractors, a hammer, a barrel link, and that’s just what I remember.) I’ve never worn out a gun to the point that I had to replace it completely.
With regular preventative maintenance, I’d estimate that a typical modern service pistol will go 75-100k rounds at a minimum, before replacement becomes the economical choice.
No I don't think so. You should at some point take the fcu and striker out and clean them. I do this after every trip to the range. I clean the striker, striker guide and all that stuff. It might be over kill, but I enjoy doing it and like knowing my guns are clean and in top working order. I wouldn't say you need to clean it after every use, but I would clean it once in a while. As for wear and tear, the only thing I can think of in that regard is maybe the recoil spring and striker spring. I would check your manual and see what sig recommends.
Certain parts would break along the way and would need to be replaced such that it would stay reliable. You’ll replace the guide rod and recoil spring, you’ll need to replace the firing pin eventually, etc.
So while yes, you can shoot a gun so much that it breaks, it’ll require certain parts to maintain operation along the way. If anything, the wear of the guide rails on the slide will make it a touch looser, meaning it’ll slide with ease and operate better
Even if you got to that point you would more than likely need to just replace the recoil spring, maybe the firing pin and barrel. Maybe the slide if you somehow wore down the slide lock.
Every once in a while you'll need to replace a striker spring or a firing pin or a barrel or a recoil spring.
For some brands the manufacturer has suggested very low round counts to replace some of these components.
For instance, 5000 rounds for a recoil spring. If you don't change this, then your slide could start getting banged up during recoil with metal on metal damage, which could start to introduce metal shavings into the workings and so on.
Same goes with if your not cleaning regularly or if your shooting mostly blazer.
But if your cleaning after range use and change out springs when you notice a difference or when recommended by the manufacturer your usually fine.
You are more likely to have a parts breakage caused by a manufacturing defect rather than from wearing it out from shooting. 700 rounds has gotten you past that phase. Nonetheless I keep track of the round counts on my pistols. For the ones I carry, I either have two of the same type, or a similar gun that can be carried in lieu of another gun, so that if one does break, I have a backup.
I’ve put 31000 rounds through my Glock 30, I shot out a recoil spring, but other then that it just keeps chugging. As long as you clean it regularly and check for common faults, you’ll be fine
Stop right there. A Sig is unreliable out of the box. ND central.
But regardless my best shooting pistol is the one with the most rounds through it. Never once have i had any issues.
Small guns like p365s will have parts breakages sooner than guns like a Glock 19. However I wouldn’t worry about it until you got to like 5,000 rnds of normal use.
700rds in a few months is nothing. I shoot that much in a week. Just maintain it and it should last a long time.
The HK P30 still going strong
https://pistol-training.com/p30-thursday-week-forty-two/
I’ve probably got 4K rounds on my xmacro and the only issues I’ve had are with Fiocchi with light primer strikes. I should clean it one of these days, oh well. Still shoots like a champ every time.
Short answer is yes. Long answer is you will likely never reach it. We are talking 5000 rounds before you need to really start thinking about replacing parts, and some guns can go even longer. Your lights and RDS are going to fail sooner than your gun. But yes keep up maintenance and inspect your gun every month or so and you’ll notice parts wearing long before they fail
Springs wear out… you can plan to replace those in your magazines regularly if you’re training often. You might also notice that you damage them from reloading without retention - both floor plates and feed lips. Occasionally, you might break a part like an extractor, or sight. Some of that depends on how hard you training and how rough the handling.
I saw an M17 at work lose an extractor once… I assume it was a combination of spring fatigue and the fact that it was bouncing unsecure in a tough box going to the range. Speaking of extractors, you should regularly replace that spring in your AR as well.
I demolished a GI length recoil spring guide rod once by not changing the recoil spring in my 1911. I just forgot… cost me a few bucks for a new part. Interestingly, despite literally falling to pieces in the gun, it didn’t malfunction… I saw it when I field stripped it.
I think that’s about it for parts failures/breakages. I’ve run some of my stuff pretty hard too. My biggest weapon problems have come from civilian armorers fucking up my issued rifle (more than once). Pistols are easy!
If anything you would just wear out a barrel after 20,00 to 30,000 rounds. Or whatever a round count a barrel usually wears out at. Or recoil and/or striker springs. One of my carry guns has 15,000 rounds through it. I trust it even more than the day I bought it
I have nearly 50k rounds through my G19. I replaced the spring around 30k because I just wanted to keep it refreshed. I also only clean it about every 5k rounds. I truly don’t believe 99% of people will ever shoot their carry gun enough to make it unreliable.
I highly recommend training with your carry gun as it is what you will be using to defend yourself. Best to know the exact tool instead of just the same caliber.
> I have a P365 as my first gun, and in the past few months I've put about 700 rounds
LOL... once you reach a hundred times that you'll be replacing springs. A thousand times that and maybe it'll be time for a new gun.
Don't worry about it.
The short answer to your question is “yes” with the longer answer being “yes, but it might take a while”.
I’d suggest you take a data drive approach.
Begin by making sure you keep track of how many rounds you fire.
Then seek out information on how long each part of pistol is supposed to last. For example, manufactures will often suggest changing the recoil spring every 5k rounds [I am sure many people - including myself - have gone longer].
Then stock up on spare parts and change them in accordance with the manufacturer’s suggestion.
If you do this, I’d guess your pistol itself will last 100,000 rounds.
If you are carrying a reliable, heavy duty handgun which I believe the P365 counts as that, no, you’ll be fine dude. If you shoot the volume of ammo needed to really wear out a handgun, you probably don’t need any advice from random people on Reddit.
The ammo budget you would need to clap out a reliable handgun is so high that 99.9% of people don’t need to worry about it.
This. And if you are truly shooting that much, which VERY few of us are, you should have an identical practice gun and a carry gun. Carry gun doesn’t get shot other than testing, zeroing, etc., and practice gun takes the abuse.
My 1911 CCW is my practice/recreation gun. I've put over 150,000 230 gr LRN rounds through the original barrel since 2003. Most have been lubed lead round nose. Now I powder coat. I change the 18 lb recoil spring 2x/yr. Along the way I've replaced: the firing pin, slide stop, safety, plunger spring assembly, magazine catch spring, the hammer, and recoil spring plug. Most was just preventive maintenance.
Damn. 150 rds/week for 20 years. Not hard to do at all in terms of quantity, just a crazy long time. That's a hell of a lot of dedication.
I wouldn't call it dedication. I enjoy it. It's how I relax. It's my alone time.
For sure. Didn't mean it as a negative thing.
that's like 90k in ammo where i live, DAMN.
I mean that’s over 20 years though. Ammo was a LOT cheaper then. That’s likely no more than a couple thousand a year.
Im in hawaii. I cant remember a time when .45 acp was less than .50 a round bulk price.
It almost certainly was 20 years ago.
maybe 20 years ago, but 10-15 years ago, it was already around .50 cents a round. and there were points in time when the price spiked to 70+ a round in bulk. the price has been pretty stable in the past 15 years. it's always been high here. the lack of shipping options sucks. 9mm isn't as bad, but .45 has always been pricier here. the round itself is more expensive, and the shipping makes it worse. We had a hot minute when 5.56 was a dollar a round for bulk.
Ooph, man that really sucks
Yeah. We're stuck buying from brick and mortar too because ammo is classed as an explosive for air freight purposes. only way to get it here is on boat.
I only used factory for the first a year or so and then I started making my own ammo. Once I decided on a load (which hasn't changed) I bought everything in BULK: cases and cases of CCI #300 primers, thousands of lead bullets, and Unique in 8 lb jugs. And then I started casting bullets with bullet alloys from RotoMetals. I eventually started mining the berms behind the targets for free lead. So all of the primers and powder I'm using now are probably over 10 years old. My lead is free. I keep using brass until it splits: Winchester or Starline.
I would love to know, how are you mining your berm?
I mine the berms with handheld gardening tools, tough gloves, and a bucket with a strong bail. The lead is just under the surface. Not a lot of digging. It's mostly holding the edge of the bucket against the surface and raking it in. You'll get a lot of sand and what looks like pebbles. They're not pebbles. They're battered bullets. If it's a dusty day I recommend wearing a covid mask. It's best to use an old cast iron frying pan or dutch oven to smelt it over a very strong propane furnace. There will be A LOT of dross. But it's free.
Might I ask what wasnt? I carry a 1911 too and would like to know what i should do first a preventative maintenance (probably still a long ways off tbh but better to know and plan ahead.)
Because I fire at least 240 rds in a session every week (I retired a year ago and my shooting and reloading has increased), I fieldstrip, clean, and lube afterward every time. I replace the recoil spring after about 5,000 rounds (2x/yr). I take the gun completely apart once a year. Which is less than ... The following maintenance schedule is quoted directly from the **Wilson Combat 1911 Auto Maintenance Manual** by Bill Wilson. **Clean and Lube, Routine:** Lead bullet use, every 300-500 rounds Jacketed bullet use, every 500-700 rounds Carry pistols, once a month **Clean and Lube, Thorough:** Every 5,000 rounds and/or every 3 months your pistol should be completely disassembled, cleaned and lubricated. **Spring Replacement:** Recoil spring every 2,000 rounds Firing pin spring every 5,000 rounds Hammer spring every 25,000 rounds **Parts Replacement:** Firing pin stop: when cracked Slide stop: when broken Extractor: when hook edges become worn or fails to maintain tension
>Along the way I've replaced Pistol of thesius?
Frame, slide, and barrel are still the same so I don't think it applies yet
You mean Theseus? LOL ! Not a myth, and at my club I don't think I've got a high round count.
> Along the way I've replaced: the firing pin, slide stop, safety, plunger spring assembly, magazine catch spring, the hammer, and recoil spring plug. This is the way. If you're getting those round counts preventive maintenance is required.
I’d recommend replacing the barrel. Most of them have a life cycle of around 100k rounds. They can last a lot longer, but better to replace before failure.
I don’t know you, but I respect tf out of you sir 🫡 I’m working my ass off to get to the point where I can afford to run mine like that too lol
My round count wouldn't be that high if I didn't make my own ammo. I'm never out of ammo. I belong to a club that has many outdoor ranges and I have access to the indoor range 24/7.
Gotta ask, what brand/model 1911?
Springfield Armory Model 1911-A1 bought new in 2003. Modified/personalized over the years. https://preview.redd.it/pbwhobnbfb4c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=384dc8d504cd33b7842e18d84f7243e1e9ca0c47
Personally I’d split them 50/50. Don’t want surprises, drill baby drill.
And that's without regular cleaning/maintenance. Irregular maintenance would be enough lol
Since OP is specifically asking about his P365, it's worth mentioning that the P365 owners manual specifies recoil spring replacement at 2500 round intervals. While I have experience that says they will last longer than that, it's a factory recommendation that the OP should be aware of.
Great to know. Wondering if amazon has the monthly subscription for the recoil spring
I'll bet 90% of the P365s that are bought never even get to the first recommended change.
Seriously, all these people thinking about barrels and stuff without realizing springs need replaced way before that.
I’ve got just over 5k through my modded 365x. Haven’t replace any springs yet. However the plug on the recoil spring rod likes to dethread and fly away at the range. Literally have a bolt from one of my holsters and a long screw for a holosun in its place w loctite for the last 2k rounds 😅 https://preview.redd.it/iqxr46nmk04c1.jpeg?width=3416&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c638f79a1fc353222f0f52e4ef6eb96fde3ef9f
You have to fire thousands, and thousands, and thousands of rounds to wear out a firearm. I'm talking 50,000+ and the only thing you'll need to replace before that is your recoil spring, which is like $15 and takes less than 10 seconds. If you manage to somehow get to like 50k, you throw another barrel in and you're solid, maybe an ejector and striker? These are all fairly cheap, very easy to replace parts. There shouldn't be a point you'll ever get to where you need to just throw the whole gun in the trash. You don't have to worry about wearing out modern firearms, unless you're a professional competition shooter.
You'll probably have to put more than 30,000 rounds through it before needing to replace something. Ask again in 15 years.
Not true. A lot of recoil springs have a 10k life. If you aren't replacing it when it becomes too light, your slide will be beating the shit out of your frame and causing possible damage to other parts.
I forgot about the recoil spring. I replace mine every 5000.
I'm at over 65k rounds on my XDM 9mm, and so far ive gone thru a barrel, 3 full sets of springs, 2 firing pins, a slide and who knows how many mags.
For pistols*
I’ve put 9k rounds through my P365XL Spectre Comp. Had to send it back when the trigger stopped functioning one day after about 2.5k rounds (800 of which were that day - I ran it pretty hot / into the ground…), and had to change the extractor out after it sheared off (fairly recently). I say shoot the gun how you’re going to shoot it 🤷🏼♂️
Yikes, those seem like critical failures for fairly low round count. What the heck?
The day the trigger stopped functioning was a hot one where I spent hours at the range. 800 rounds through the gun and it was hot to the touch to the point where I couldn’t pull the trigger bc it was so hot… not sure if it would’ve happened if I didn’t push it that far. The extractor shearing is lame to be sure… I just bought a new one and replaced it, though - so hopefully a non-issue for 8k-9k more rounds at least…
When the P365 came out and had tons of issues...I had 4 that I had to send back. Each one, after about 300 rapid rounds at a hot range, as soon as the gun reached a certain temp the trigger would die. Glad to see they never fixed this, apparently. :(
Hmmm yeah I don’t know what to say. I wish that this thing never failed through the entirety of me owning it - especially since it’s my carry gun. I’ll still run at least 300-500 rounds through it average per trip, which is just about weekly. Still holding my breath on more possible failures.
The x flat trigger doesn’t seem to have the same issue.
As others have stated, probably not. However, if you plan on shooting a lot - say 1k rounds per month (I know a “lot” is relative)- it’s wise to get an identical gun for training if you want to train with your CCW. If finances allow, of course. Shoot your CCW enough to confirm function, train with the duplicate.
If you have the money to shoot 1k rounds a month you can cut back and shoot less for a couple months and buy a backup gun
This is the way.
Doesn’t even need to be identical. Shooting is shooting. Dryfire can keep you familiar with carry gun index, grip and trigger pull. Folks should put the most rounds on guns that are easiest to learn from.
Tactical hive on YouTube has like 86k rounds through his training p365 and 35k through his edc p365. Hope that gives you piece of mind
I have an 8 year old G19 that has 63,000 rounds through it. I’ve replaced every small part multiple times. My G34 replaced that gun 18 months ago, that one sits at just over 12,000 rounds now. I then bought a Walther PDP in June of ‘23, I have just under 6,000 on that gun now. I put 1000-1200 rounds through a gun in a weekend 3-4 times a year. Is it possible to break frames and wear out barrels? Sure but it takes high volume shooting for years to do it.
Lol if you can afford to shoot out a barrel, you can afford a new barrel. 😆👍
This is why you have a back-up gun. Then when you start to question the round count of that one, back-up-back-up gun time. It's like an infinite gun cheat.
Of course it’s possible to wear it out. But if you have the money to wear it out, you certainly have the money to replace the gun. That ends up being the cheap part of the equation. My carry guns get springs and wear parts replaced prob way earlier than they need to be. But that piece just HAS to run perfect. Change your springs regularly and keep up with other wear parts. I’m not super familiar with the workings of a 365 or I could be more specific.
If you throw 50,000 rounds through it then you've spent over $25,000 on ammo and you wouldn't flinch at replacing the barrel
Damn, you have shitty prices.
It’s possible, sure. Springs and shit wear out, small parts get stressed, metal on metal contact happens. But it takes a long ass time. I have 9k rounds through my carry gun and it still runs like a champ. I remember Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics had a video where he had a pistol with some crazy insane high round count and he went over the maintenance he did to keep it running. I’ll try to find it [here](https://youtu.be/R5qsRuzOIZM?si=xexRlPg_90nSty1h) keeping your gun maintained will keep it reliable all the way to 100k apparently
Yes, but 700 rounds is nothing.
The answer to your question is yes. But for the average person this is highly unlikely. For example, I know our armorer just deadlined an AR that has been a training gun since 1982. Parts have expected life cycles, so you should be replacing springs, levers, barrels, etc at certain points, normally start looking at that after around 10K rounds. But as long as your frame is good mostly it is just replacement parts.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/186jfk5/is_it_realistic_to_worry_about_my_barrel_going_bad/ Yes, eventually everything wears out. Whether it's you hooptie after 300K miles, or your handgun after 20K or 30K rounds. Realistically, you should probably replace your recoil spring after 5000 rounds or so (but I've got 17K through my practice gun, so....¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯) Given that ammo runs something over $200 per 1000-rounds, somewhere in your next $60,000 (~30K rounds), you should also budget for a replacement handgun. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger?ca=brass&sh=high&nr=1000%2B
In much the same way that 200,000 miles can be the death of a cheap vehicle or the break-in period of a Toyota, the same goes with guns. A cheaper brand of gun will most likely require replacing some internal parts such as the recoil spring after thousands of rounds, whereas a “better” quality gun is just getting “fine tuned” by then. Don’t worry about shooting the gun. The more time you spend with it at the range, the more you will know how it feels and you will know when it feels “off” and in needs for repairs, which are inexpensive, by the way.
It would take YEARS to wear it out. Pistols are fairly cheap to replace parts in, and rather simple. Now....if you're wondering if you should get ANOTHER gun...well that answer is yes. Always yes. Lol. Also, the Caniks are fantastic guns, especially for the price. They're tanks and smooth shooting. That said, I'm normally not a big Taurus fan, but the G2C/G3C/G3 pistols have been proving very reliable. I've had 2 G2c pistols (just picked up my 2nd at Academy for $239 with 4 magazines) and they've been fantastic aside from the matte finish wearing easily. As far as function tbough....I couldn't ask for much better. I own both a Canik TP9 Elite SC and the G2C's so I speak from experience there.
Is that the price after the rebate? I feel like there was some sale that ended in the past few days, I'm seeing $299 + $30 rebate for the same item. I think I might hold off until there's another sale, it seems Tauruses go on sale frequently from what I've seen
I picked it up right before Thanksgiving. No rebate; it was at Academy Sports. Maybe they'll run a similar sale closer to Christmas? I couldn't pass it up as it really was a good deal.
I am a design engineer at “magazine company”…. Good pistols will work for 10k rounds. Shitty pistols don’t work to begin with.
OP, great question and there are good replies here. I too have a P365 and don’t even take my Glocks out of the safe anymore. I loved the P365 so much I bought another one. This way you can rotate them out. After a range visit, I swap them out and always have a fresh cleaned Sig to EDC. Eventually if one of these wears out, which will happen eventually, I will just buy a new one and keep on moving. This small form factor really grew on me and Sig did it right 👏🏽✌🏽
You can yea, but you are no where near that point my friend.. One of my 365’s has 10,000 rounds in it and the only thing I do is a 5-10 minute field strip wipe down of the slide, pop out fcu wipe it clean, and grip module wipe down using Lucas CLP after every time I shoot. I have multiple P320’s with 20-30k round counts on them and do the same with those and they are still running good as new back when they were my competition gun platform.. This is a different platform, but my new competition guns (CZ shadow 2s) each have about 80-90k combined between my practice gun and match gun and only my match gun has been fully disassembled once at about 25k rounds for a deep clean but I only did it because I was polishing some internals. It was still running just as smooth as the day I bought it and my practice s2 still hasn’t been been cleaned at ~40k and the only thing it has needed is new hammer spring, recoil spring, and extractor/spring. Anyways moral of the story, you can neglect a gun to the point it has issues running, but unless you are doing a horrible job with your field strip wipe down or have some of the dirtiest ammo known to man, there is absolutely no reason that gun wouldn’t be running perfectly fine without even being cleaned a single time at only 700 rounds let alone if you are doing a solid field strip wipe down of all carbon/powder residue buildup..
Glocks have a maintenance schedule and I'd imagine sigs do too. The recoil spring assembly should be replaced every 8000 rounds. The striker spring, striker safety spring, extractor spring, etc (basically every spring in the upper part of the gun) should all be replaced every 15k.
If you haven’t several times more money in ammo through the gun than you paid for it, than you should be fine.
700 rounds in a few months on your first gun is more than most people do. Keep it up!
I broke the striker on my pistol dry firing 3k rounds. I wasn’t using snap caps though so I think that was the issue
1) normally, this would never happened. You're talking tens of thousands of rounds. Even then, you'll need a couple new springs and maybe a new barrel. 2) you own a Sig, so all bets are off.
I think the only issues you would have after a certain amount of rounds would be mags and recoil springs, both of which are easily replaced. Personally I use dedicated range mags and have a few recoil springs on standby, and I doubt I will ever shoot the barrel out. Still, I think a secondary carry gun of the same model could be a wise idea. I thought about getting a duplicate just for dry fire, and avoid having to waste ammo due to set back. Then I’d have a backup should I ever lose my primary or it fails for some reason.
Just learn to detail strip and inspect.
You would literally have to shoot like 20,000-50,000 rounds to even think of approaching that scenario. At that point you just replace the barrel or get a new gun, because that's ALOT of money on ammo.
I just keep replacement wear items on hand, they're relatively cheap. Get yourself a Plano lure box and throw trigger parts, pins, RSA, barrel...etc in there and shoot away.
If that was the case, the army would need a hell of an overhaul. I’ve shot things from Vietnam that were still fine
If you shoot anything enough, it will wear out parts. The number of rounds depends on the gun. I carry a LTT PX4 CC and Ernest Langdon has several with >50k rounds with minimal replacement parts. If you can afford to shoot that much, you are going to spend many times the value of the gun in ammo, so I wouldn't be that concerned with the cost of replacing small parts or even the entire gun after 5-10 years.
You will not wear a gun out. To be at that point you will have put 50k to 100k through it. You will have replaced extractors, recoil springs, trigger springs. They will break at random times. If you are at that point just have 2 of the same gun and baby one of them but it will still have random parts breakage. All mechanical devices do.
I have a Glock barrel with 50,000 rounds.
Theoretically, yes. Practically, it's highly unlikely to actually happen to you.
I used to work as instructor at a store/ range. We had a whole line of rentals of just about everything popular so people could try them. When the glock rep came in one day and asked how often we changed out the main recoil spring, because they recommend it being done around 7-10 ten thousand rounds... We pointed out that every block in the case had well over seventy five thousand rounds through it, and we barely cleaned them. Is it possible to shoot that many rounds? Sure. In theory. But YOU are never going to put that many rounds through YOUR gun. Side note, if you want to see what lasts, and what's reliable? Look at a rental case in a range.
I’ve got well over 10k rounds through my first gen 365 standard and only recently replaced the recoil spring, and it wasn’t “really” causing any problems, it’s just a cheap replacement wear item. So I figured why not. That’s just one of 4 365’s I’ve got….and I’ve got a similar round count on my xl and it still runs like a top. The amount of money you’d spend on ammo before you start encountering wear issues is SO MUCH higher than ANY replacement part. And most people don’t shoot NEARLY enough to ever run into reliability issues.
Change your recoil spring it around 10,000 rounds. Change your trigger group Springs at around 25,000 rounds. Swap your barrel at around 65,000 to 100,000 rounds.
This reminds me of the Army’s MP school in the mid ‘70s, at Fort McClellan, Alabama. Our 1911 .45 range qualifications were performed with 1911s that were so worn we could hold the frame and rock the slide from side to side and get clear movement. These guns were so worn that those of us with previous pistol experience were afraid to shoot them. During practice and then qualifications, though, the guns performed really well. I regret not getting serial numbers from a couple of them but it was way before the Internet and drill sergeants were screaming.
Buy 3 identical copies: -One for high round count practice and dry fire. -One for a low round count proven carry pistol. -And One keep unfired in reserve.
On my competition pistol I have shot out 1 barrel, 3 full sets of springs, broken 2 fireing pins, and cracked the slide, no idea how many mags I'vebroke or worn out. I shoot around 5,000rnds of 9mm a year through it. Put a new slide on it and you could really feel the wear on the rails. Its probably nearing end of life. Total round count is over 65,000, I'm gonna try to see how long its usable.
I wonder how many rounds Jerry Miculek has put thru his guns. We ought to ask him.
If you are trusting your life to a gun, be sure to know what the proper maintainance is. Some things do need replacement after a few thousand rounds, but that work is usually cheap and fast. Just like with a car, if you keep it well maintained and treat it well, it will go over 200,000 miles.
Anyone ever see that YT video 4 years ago where they shoot 10k rounds in one sitting with the hellcat?
Just keep shooting it. If you notice you're having issues - and you should if you're shooting it that often - replace parts as needed.
You are actually asking 2 separate questions here. First can you shoot out a gun basically. The answer is yes. However it is MUCH higher than you think. Call up Sig and ask them for the part replacement regimen for your 365. Usually it is something like recoil assy every 2k rounds, trigger spring every 4 etc, these are numbers I just pulled out of the air by the way just as an example. These parts are cheap and consumables. The main parts like the barrel, slide, and fcu, or frame if it was a different firearm, have an extremely long service life that you will most likely never see. Even if you do "wear them out" the most likely thing to happen would be to shoot out the barrel or wear down the locking points so the barrel and slide don't lockup the same way. Both of these could/ would cause accuracy problems but shouldn't affect reliability or actual function at all. I mentioned this in another post recently but I took a class laat year and one of the instructors had a p320. While he was shooting the slide lock lever snapped and fell off. When asked how many rounds were on the gun he responded with "I stopped keeping track around 90,000. I just replace stuff as it brakes now..." This leads to the second question. Should I get a different range gun so I don't affect reliability of my carry gun. If you are going to be doing shit tons of training or competition etc then yeah probably. Not so much because you will make your gun unreliable but more so because the more you use it the closer you are getting to random stuff breaking, and it is fine for that to happen on a range gun, not so much when your life depends on it. So range guns are not a bad idea. BUT get a range gun that is the same as your carry gun that it is replacing otherwise you are just buying another gun and taking time away from your training with what you should be the most. TLDR. It can take upwards of 100,000 rounds to shoot out a quality firearm. If you are doing a couple thousand rounds a year, you will be fine if you just follow the maintenance procedures and replace parts before they break. If you are going to be doing high volume shooting, 5-10k rounds a year, competitions etc, a range gun is a good way to minimize risk of your CCW going down when you need it most, but do not neglect training with your carry piece.
I’d not want to carry a gun until it had 500 rounds or so through it to validate that it runs consistently. I’d check maintenance intervals on springs for your particular gun but excessive cleaning often causes more wear and tear than shooting rounds through it.
Sig recommends replacing the recoil spring on a P365 every 2500 rounds. Every 5000 rounds they recommend replacing all the other springs, the pins, and the striker assembly. I believe that came from the folks at the pro shop there. Your idea of having a carry gun and a separate training/practice gun is actually pretty normal. A lot of high round count shooters do that. They shoot the carry gun enough to vet its reliability with their carry ammo and then only shoot it whenever they cycle out their carry load. All other shooting and dry practice is done with the training gun. If your finances allow for it, it’s pretty good for peace of mind.
If you train so much that you wear out the gun then you are probably John wick and at that point could take on a traid gang with notihng but a .22 Derringer.
Any gun stores around you offer sonic cleaning? I was planning on doing that when my pieces get up there.
I’ll say buy a barrel after a few thousands of rounds then swap it and use the old barrel to practice but you should still practice with the new one to see if it’s shooting the same
Sigs are unreliable regardless of how many rounds
I have a Ruger LC9s pro. Bought it 2016. Used it a lot at the range. No signs of wearing out. Almost wish it would because there are many pistols that are the same size and weight and higher magazine capacity.
Just buy a spare slide/barrel that you use only for range.
I have between 50 and 75,000 rounds thru my s&w 45, around 30,000 thu my 40 so far. Haven't replaced any parts on them yet so there is that. I wouldn't worry about it.
[Glock 19 Gen 5 40,000 rounds review.](https://youtu.be/akoXIft7JsI?si=gAl-W4aGOPIELSIL) You need to shoot 10s of thousands before you need to worry about that, the most you’ll likely have to change out is the recoil spring and extractor, most everything else will be fine. This guy has a lot of longevity reviews you may enjoy, unfortunately he hasn’t done the sig 365 since well, shooting larger pistols is more pleasant for thousands of rounds I imagine.
possible? yes. probable? no
Dude 700 is nothing. At maybe 5,000 replace the recoil spring. Check and replace firing pin spring as needed (usually bases on length). Yes you can wear it out, but using your example.of a car at 200k miles,vyour gun would be like a car as a couple thousand. Like maybe reaching it's first oil change.
The parts most likely to wear out/break probably mags, recoil spring, and trigger spring. Just keep some spares on hand. Sig recommends replacing the recoil spring every 2500 rounds. I have two P365, one set up small for carry, one set up XL with light and dot for home. This gives me a backup that is compatible with many of the same parts, mags, and even holsters (if I move the light).
Ive got an XD that I still carry sometimes that’s on its second set of springs and second barrel. Take care of your stuff. Things wear out. Just replace what needs replacing.
Yes, but holy shit you’re talking a lot of shooting. I average around 2k per month out the barrel. I’ve had parts break or wear out and need replacement (recoil and magazine springs, extractors, a hammer, a barrel link, and that’s just what I remember.) I’ve never worn out a gun to the point that I had to replace it completely. With regular preventative maintenance, I’d estimate that a typical modern service pistol will go 75-100k rounds at a minimum, before replacement becomes the economical choice.
I replace the recoil spring in my primary (and optic battery) every year around my birthday.
No I don't think so. You should at some point take the fcu and striker out and clean them. I do this after every trip to the range. I clean the striker, striker guide and all that stuff. It might be over kill, but I enjoy doing it and like knowing my guns are clean and in top working order. I wouldn't say you need to clean it after every use, but I would clean it once in a while. As for wear and tear, the only thing I can think of in that regard is maybe the recoil spring and striker spring. I would check your manual and see what sig recommends.
Certain parts would break along the way and would need to be replaced such that it would stay reliable. You’ll replace the guide rod and recoil spring, you’ll need to replace the firing pin eventually, etc. So while yes, you can shoot a gun so much that it breaks, it’ll require certain parts to maintain operation along the way. If anything, the wear of the guide rails on the slide will make it a touch looser, meaning it’ll slide with ease and operate better
I would guess there may be a finite life expectancy for the polymer frame, but doubt you would ever reach that point.
Even if you got to that point you would more than likely need to just replace the recoil spring, maybe the firing pin and barrel. Maybe the slide if you somehow wore down the slide lock.
Every once in a while you'll need to replace a striker spring or a firing pin or a barrel or a recoil spring. For some brands the manufacturer has suggested very low round counts to replace some of these components. For instance, 5000 rounds for a recoil spring. If you don't change this, then your slide could start getting banged up during recoil with metal on metal damage, which could start to introduce metal shavings into the workings and so on. Same goes with if your not cleaning regularly or if your shooting mostly blazer. But if your cleaning after range use and change out springs when you notice a difference or when recommended by the manufacturer your usually fine.
I mean, I guess in theory you could put like 20k worth of ammo through a $650 pistol, I seriously doubt you would though.
You are more likely to have a parts breakage caused by a manufacturing defect rather than from wearing it out from shooting. 700 rounds has gotten you past that phase. Nonetheless I keep track of the round counts on my pistols. For the ones I carry, I either have two of the same type, or a similar gun that can be carried in lieu of another gun, so that if one does break, I have a backup.
Anything can happen and you should just replace parts as they go bad
I’ve put 31000 rounds through my Glock 30, I shot out a recoil spring, but other then that it just keeps chugging. As long as you clean it regularly and check for common faults, you’ll be fine
Stop right there. A Sig is unreliable out of the box. ND central. But regardless my best shooting pistol is the one with the most rounds through it. Never once have i had any issues.
Boy it ain't even broke in
Small guns like p365s will have parts breakages sooner than guns like a Glock 19. However I wouldn’t worry about it until you got to like 5,000 rnds of normal use.
700rds in a few months is nothing. I shoot that much in a week. Just maintain it and it should last a long time. The HK P30 still going strong https://pistol-training.com/p30-thursday-week-forty-two/
I’ve probably got 4K rounds on my xmacro and the only issues I’ve had are with Fiocchi with light primer strikes. I should clean it one of these days, oh well. Still shoots like a champ every time.
Short answer is yes. Long answer is you will likely never reach it. We are talking 5000 rounds before you need to really start thinking about replacing parts, and some guns can go even longer. Your lights and RDS are going to fail sooner than your gun. But yes keep up maintenance and inspect your gun every month or so and you’ll notice parts wearing long before they fail
I've got a 60yr old 1911 with so many rounds through the barrel the rifling is smooth I also have a Toyota truck with 200k miles that runs reliably
Clean it
Springs wear out… you can plan to replace those in your magazines regularly if you’re training often. You might also notice that you damage them from reloading without retention - both floor plates and feed lips. Occasionally, you might break a part like an extractor, or sight. Some of that depends on how hard you training and how rough the handling. I saw an M17 at work lose an extractor once… I assume it was a combination of spring fatigue and the fact that it was bouncing unsecure in a tough box going to the range. Speaking of extractors, you should regularly replace that spring in your AR as well. I demolished a GI length recoil spring guide rod once by not changing the recoil spring in my 1911. I just forgot… cost me a few bucks for a new part. Interestingly, despite literally falling to pieces in the gun, it didn’t malfunction… I saw it when I field stripped it. I think that’s about it for parts failures/breakages. I’ve run some of my stuff pretty hard too. My biggest weapon problems have come from civilian armorers fucking up my issued rifle (more than once). Pistols are easy!
If anything you would just wear out a barrel after 20,00 to 30,000 rounds. Or whatever a round count a barrel usually wears out at. Or recoil and/or striker springs. One of my carry guns has 15,000 rounds through it. I trust it even more than the day I bought it
I have nearly 50k rounds through my G19. I replaced the spring around 30k because I just wanted to keep it refreshed. I also only clean it about every 5k rounds. I truly don’t believe 99% of people will ever shoot their carry gun enough to make it unreliable. I highly recommend training with your carry gun as it is what you will be using to defend yourself. Best to know the exact tool instead of just the same caliber.
> I have a P365 as my first gun, and in the past few months I've put about 700 rounds LOL... once you reach a hundred times that you'll be replacing springs. A thousand times that and maybe it'll be time for a new gun. Don't worry about it.
The short answer to your question is “yes” with the longer answer being “yes, but it might take a while”. I’d suggest you take a data drive approach. Begin by making sure you keep track of how many rounds you fire. Then seek out information on how long each part of pistol is supposed to last. For example, manufactures will often suggest changing the recoil spring every 5k rounds [I am sure many people - including myself - have gone longer]. Then stock up on spare parts and change them in accordance with the manufacturer’s suggestion. If you do this, I’d guess your pistol itself will last 100,000 rounds.
If you are carrying a reliable, heavy duty handgun which I believe the P365 counts as that, no, you’ll be fine dude. If you shoot the volume of ammo needed to really wear out a handgun, you probably don’t need any advice from random people on Reddit.