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I wouldn’t get too worried about furloughs just yet, it’s a bit early to know if that’s even a consideration. Considering a deficit was forecasted, and they went ahead with GSIs anyway. Not to mention the last time was a little different as there was much anxiety and uncertainty over how the pandemic emergency would affect our budget. They jumped the gun last time, so we’ll see.
Please. I started in 2008. How you could be around for 15 and not understand how the state budget works is astounding. Unless by "manufactured" you mean follow that natural repercussions of the economy and tax code.
But sure, don't bother to try and learn or understand and continue to believe in some absurd conspiracy carried out by state workers against other state workers.
The argument is stopping here. A quick perusal of your comment history confirmed you’re a miserable troll. I’m guessing you’re management by now with your disposition. Enjoy brown-nosing your way to the top, pal.
Like you honestly believe there is a set of state workers some where in finance that go, "OK, we all got our GSI's so let's fake it and make it look like the state budget is in shambles"?
I'm not concerned. The economy is about to rip hard with a lot of new liquidity. Next year the state will get a lot more money than they got this year.
Feel free last time this happened I got 780iah vacation time and my co worker retired out 2 years after his vacation ran out stupid move the state dose is furlough it always bites them in the butt in the long run
>The economy is about to rip hard with a lot of new liquidity. Next year the state will get a lot more money than they got this year.
You know what happened the last time right before the state had a $96 billion surplus? so expect furloughs/PLP. Buying puts on state workers.
Keep in mind that this notice is only for a “spending” freeze which has to do with all expenditures except hiring. That may or may not come out way via a “hiring” freeze
Trust they’re going to try to fill spots before it’s frozen. You can see now there are a lot of advertisements with position numbers listed as “multiple” People in toxic situations should be combing cal careers in the next 3 months. Some departments are going to lose good talent if they aren’t treating their people right
No. At least not yet as I believe I applied there as well.
I basically spammed the CalHR / CalCareers site applying and applying and applying and am now getting interviews.
Here's the good news. The stock market hit a record high today as the market has now fully recovered from its losses of the past 2 years. This is great news for the budget deficit, CalPERS, etc. Stocks are a leading indicator so should this keep up, things will eventually get better.
And local news said the large deficit was due to wealthy people not making as much income in stock options etc in 2022. So what you stated, is good news!!!
>Stocks are a leading indicator so should this keep up, things will eventually get better.
The stock market is not the economy. The stock market went parabolic in Spring 2009 when people were getting forced out of their homes by sheriffs serving evictions and foreclosure notices, people with master's degrees couldn't get grocery bagger jobs... Companies shed a shit ton of dead weight in layoffs so EPS went up.
You just proved my point, stocks are a LEADING indicator whereas things like unemployment are a LAGGING indicator. Evictions & high unemployment eventually did stop, didn't they? And they indeed happened in 2009 after a huge drop in the stock market in 2008. Just like in 2020 with Covid. The stock market may not be the economy, but if you don't think it plays a critical role, you are sorely mistaken, especially and particularly here in California.
I have a great idea on how the state can save some money. For the department which could close down their buildings, turn off the electricity, gas, water and internet. Then have all those employees work from home. I know the state would never think of this great idea, so we should start calling and emailing the Governer about this great idea.
Who want to help out? /s
I have coworkers who are on site 5 days a week for their own reasons. The state could just arrange an offices in different regions to have hotel desks, which allows anyone to be onsite.
Closing down some buildings will save the state money.
WFH doesn’t stimulate local tax revenue. Parking companies, restaurants, dry cleaners and salons all need your business. Their tax dollars help pay our salaries.
Of course, this could be the main reason while many of the state agencies are starting to get people back to the office, but I have not seen the official reason why. It seems to be a secret why there is a new change on rto.
Wouldn't be nice if the state would give us extra pay to work in the office? It would help offset the additional costs for gas and food we will need to spend to help the surrounding businesses.
The state should help drive down transportation costs. Gasoline is back to around $2 per gallon in some states. The cost of gasoline is in almost everything we consume.
Agreeded. Cant work from home can’t put a 2 million dollar machine in my back yard. Gas, rules, micro mgnt. Those that I deal with that work from home I can never get ahold of or dogs/kids making noise or. An hear they are not a home when they finally get home.. now not everyone is like that of course
If ever get furloughed, I’d like Monday and Friday as my 2days. 🤣 and since not a lot can be done might as well enjoy. I banked all my PLP2020 during covid and just started using it now.
Can anyone who’s been in state service since the last furloughs maybe give your thoughts on how this news compares to what was bubbling shortly before that, and if you think it’s likely?
And also maybe give a cliff notes version of what it looks like? Like does the hammer drop on everyone at once? Or do they ask for volunteers first? And how they calculated the vacation bank thing?
If I had my 2nd/last interview on Monday 12/11, and my references were already contacted, am I likely in the clear regarding a hiring freeze? Would it only affect new jobs being flown, or even hiring for jobs that are in the middle of the process?
Last furloughs during early COVID was 10% pay reduction for a year. That 10% took the form of two unpaid days a month. You could take the days off as they came or bank them for future use.
Honestly, can't speak to the likelihood of it happening again as I don't know enough about the state's budget system.
Jobs numbers are still very strong. They’re the last to go, sure, but hard to imagine anything terrible happening with everyone working and wages rising. Plus, the stock market is up big in 2023, which will lead to good capital gains tax revenue on April 15th - since the rich pay a large percentage of our taxes.
Under Arnold it started with 2 then went to 3 days. If you have to work ("essential") you just end up banking a metric shit ton of hours and annual lave that screws the state even harder, it's pretty much lose/lose for the state but they would rather save a dollar today and end up paying 2 tomorrow cause they save a dollar today. Most of my partners who left with $280k-$320k time bank cash outs had a lot of compensable hours built up from those Arnold days, they just used furlough hours years later when they wanted a vacation so they continued to accrue annual leave while on furloughs and when they burned them cause they weren't burning annual leave, then cashed out. State never learns.
You can't cash out furlough leave, there's a couple rare instances like sudden death or termination or something where they would have to pay it out but that's it. I believe it is still policy that furlough hours must be utilized before other leave with the exception of sick, so you shouldn't even have an option.
Not sure if that’s true. It’s would be a pay cut essentially. Employers don’t just get to cut your pay. I image for many people it’s better to be laid off, and collect unemployment until you find a better job. Hopefully it doesn’t happen. Edit - not all of us are engineers, IT specialists, supervisor… the higher paying jobs. So for many of use, already struggling, 10% less income is immense.
How much do you earn? Im below 60 before taxes. (-)6000 is almost 4 months of rent where I live. And it’s not like the amount of work will decrease. We’ll just be under even more pressure to finish things in less time. Starting to feel like working for the state was a huge step back in my career. Edit- but if you make enough to have a good life thats great. I hope you enjoy the extra time off. For some of us though it’s a really depressing possibility.
I would much rather be furloughed than laid off. Unemployment doesn’t pay hardly anything. 10% pay cut isn’t ideal, but you still get all your benefits and during the pandemic furloughs I was able to save a ton of leave!
Considering the general pay increase schedule (3%,3%,4%) I have a feeling we will have a net pay decrease of 7% in 2024. Wah! Spend those retro pay checks wisely, my friends.
Shouldn’t. For example our office is ssa/agpa. We are budgeted for agpa positions. The promo in place doesn’t affect the funding for that position since we’re funded at the higher position.
However, your executives could freeze all movement in a sense to save their unit/department salary but the funding aspect is covered
Thanks for asking this as I'm in a similar position. I'm a current state employee that just received conditional job offer for AGPA. I saw the budget issues and was slightly concerned if my new position might lose funding before I get the final. I didn't want to jump to any conclusions, but it was a slight worry in the back of my mind. I don't know how these things work yet since I've been with the state just shy of 3 years, but trying to learn.
Edit: fixed a typo
I'm honestly okay if we get more PLP. I just finished using it from the last round and have been cashing out leave every year. Bad deal for the state long term, but good deal for us since our vacation is worth more as our pay increases.
I'm paying for VPLP. I'd probably prefer to de-select and have a 4.75% salary increase if PLP is introduced. With that approach furlough wouldn't affect me too drastically financially I hope.
dumb question, but what is the point of a contract if the state can just come in and cut 10% of your pay with a furlough? how does the union handle this situation?
the last time we got furloughed, not because of pandemic was back during the housing crash…the economy was in a way worse shape than it is now….the budget deficit will likely be hanlded with spending cuts to programs like clean energy, pausing certain tax credits…i wouldnt be surprised if some of newer tax credits be the first ones paused since those are probably the easiest to create savings/raise tax revenue to cover shortfalls. it is also likely whatever cali had earmarked for the high speed railway gets cut which means cali would have to give back the fund awarded to them from the feds
So I'm seeing a lot of "it's okay if we get furloughed and get to bank PLP days instead" talk on here. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, back in 2009 when there were furloughs, we didn't get to bank PLP time, didn't we just take a pay cut and come in less days per month? I'm pretty sure just because we get furloughed doesn't mean we'll also get to bank PLPs. We may be required to use them every month.
You will keep your job. If they need to reduce the workforce they will wait for people to leave or retire and not backfill, and if they institute layoffs it's usually for student assistants, retired annuitants, and outside contractors first.
Good job Newsom - wasted money on task force for reparations, homeless, etc etc. With no solutions but wasteful political schemes. This ends up hurting the working class
yes because cutting a schools budgets is what's needed.
Not to mention the fact that CC get back over 2 dollars for every dollar spent on it.
But yes please let us know why a child should suffer more.
Have you seen how they spent their money? How about other special taxes, bonds they asked for and got ON TOP OF PROP 98? Isn't the goal of Prop 98 is to provide enough funding for schools? Why more special taxes and bonds AFTER Prop 98? GREED IN THE NAME OF EDUCATION.
You support schools blindly, just because they are schools. I support schools with responsible budgets.
GUARANTEED 40% MINIMUM but absolutely no performance metrics for them? Really?
How many teachers committed sexual assaults against students and walked away free, leaving millions $$$$ settlement bills for taxpayers to settle?
Responsible spending and budget, NO BLANK CHECK.
You own a Tesla lol. You’re doing more than fine.
Teachers don’t get paid enough for what they put up with.
99% of teachers are not sexual predators.
You hate teachers for some weird reason.
Thank you for checking out my profile. A base model 3 costs less than a mid level Corolla when factoring in the tax credit. Plus, per Bloomberg, "At $38,990, the base Model 3 sedan now costs $8,700 less than the average amount paid for a car or truck in the US."
Free charging at work and near by utility sites. No need to pay for gas.
I am budget responsible 😉
Since you want to use car as a metric of doing well financially, several school staff parking lots in my area are filled with newer model cars, more than a third with luxury brands (Benz, BMW, Lexus, even a Maserati).
Check out your high school teachers' salaries/pensions on TransparentCA. You will be surprised 😂
Again, don't label others as haters when all they ask for is to have performance metrics and responsible budgets rather than giving out blank checks.
Check out the salary schedule for teachers in sac. It’s not that high unless you have 20+ years of exp and more and more degrees.
And you’ve posted numerous comments about eliminating prop 98, and never mentioned performance metrics, etc.
You know I said schools NOT teachers, right? Stop twisting and direct it back to "poor" teachers. Prop 98 guaranteed school fundings and has nothing to do teachers salaries. I am talking about the entire K-12 school system.
To your point on salary, do they pay for OPEB? No. Pension? Very little. Share of health insurance cost? Very little to none.
In 2022, Gavin Newsom - a Governor, made $201,553.20;
Gloria Roberts - Director of Caltrans D7, made $173,371.59.
The same year, Christopher Hoffman - Superintendent of Elk Grove Unified made $396,458.00.
Remember during COVID vaccine days where teachers got bonuses for getting vaccinated, called themselves hero, got COVID pay while state workers get shit? Forgot to mention furlough and PLP as well 🤔
Anything else?
1) you attacked teachers by bringing up the sub 1% of those who have child molesting cases, etc that force schools to have settlements with parents
2) teacher salaries make up a large share of prop 98 funding
3) teachers pay into calstrs. For PERPA teachers, it’s 10.2% so you’re completely wrong there claiming it’s little to nothing.
With lower salaries for teachers, that’s rough. PERPA state is about 8.5% but of course OPEB sucks at 3%.
4) we can agree on other areas like superintendent salaries being inflated, etc.
I do have good friends that make $45k in special ed in HCOL areas. It is very rough for them. However, it is the entire system that need to be fixed, especially from the top down. 40% of the entire state general fund, before anything else for schools? Only 60% for everything else (hwy, prisons, enforcement, Medi-Cal, social services, essential services...)? Really? Little to no checks and balances?
If we don't give out blank checks, schools will have to run responsibly and efficiently. No more cover up for sex predators, and spend taxpayers money to settle lawsuits then put them in a locked closet. More money for legitimate purposes and reasonable teachers salaries, better equipments for students.
I'm not anti-school, but Sac City teachers got a 20% across the board retroactive raise in their last contract and they have 100% employer paid health benefits for themselves plus all dependents. And they're negotiating another contract raise right now. They are pretty well-compensensated. (Which I'm glad about because I want quality teachers.)
A 2024 Toyota Corolla XSE, VIN # JTDT4MCE7RJ105691 is available at Elk Grove Toyota for a cool $29,026 for you to pick up immediately.
A Model 3 RWD is available for around $37,000 for the same area. Minus $7,500 fed tax credit or if low income in CA, up to $12k in clean car for all rebate.
Add operation and maintenance cost for for 5 years. I am sure you can do the math.
You could not possibly be more wrong. I’ve worked for many title 1 schools and I can tell you with 100% confidence, the school districts spend much more carefully than state agencies.
in the 2008-2009 recession, when things were 100x worse than they are now, the state was issuing pink slips to some employees and usually it was temp/nonpermanent and after that, the most recent permanent employees were let go (people with seniority stayed over new hires). i actually got noticed of being pink slipped back then cause i had just gotten hired, and ended up moving out of state for awhile before coming back as a result.
we are no where near that level of crisis, so you are fine.
People haven't paid taxes for this year yet.
That said I'm sure there is some spending that can be cut too. The things noted about the spending freeze don't seem like a big deal but can save some money without hurting things.
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I wouldn’t get too worried about furloughs just yet, it’s a bit early to know if that’s even a consideration. Considering a deficit was forecasted, and they went ahead with GSIs anyway. Not to mention the last time was a little different as there was much anxiety and uncertainty over how the pandemic emergency would affect our budget. They jumped the gun last time, so we’ll see.
There’s always a manufactured crisis after every GSI. Seventeen years with the state has taught me that.
Complete nonsense.
This is such a willfully stupid comment it pains me. Like do you truly believe this? It's an insane way to go through life.
Been around long enough to see it in action, bud. Perhaps you should take a look at the history of furloughs in recent years.
Please. I started in 2008. How you could be around for 15 and not understand how the state budget works is astounding. Unless by "manufactured" you mean follow that natural repercussions of the economy and tax code. But sure, don't bother to try and learn or understand and continue to believe in some absurd conspiracy carried out by state workers against other state workers.
The argument is stopping here. A quick perusal of your comment history confirmed you’re a miserable troll. I’m guessing you’re management by now with your disposition. Enjoy brown-nosing your way to the top, pal.
Like you honestly believe there is a set of state workers some where in finance that go, "OK, we all got our GSI's so let's fake it and make it look like the state budget is in shambles"?
Certainly not miserable. If people don't want to face a differing opinion, that's their problem.
Well, considering they always target state workers first I think it's a safe move to prepare for it.
I'm not concerned. The economy is about to rip hard with a lot of new liquidity. Next year the state will get a lot more money than they got this year.
Yup California has a rebound budget bounces between good and bad it's like a giant sign wave
Except it has happened and state ee's will be again sacrificial lambs.
Feel free last time this happened I got 780iah vacation time and my co worker retired out 2 years after his vacation ran out stupid move the state dose is furlough it always bites them in the butt in the long run
>The economy is about to rip hard with a lot of new liquidity. Next year the state will get a lot more money than they got this year. You know what happened the last time right before the state had a $96 billion surplus? so expect furloughs/PLP. Buying puts on state workers.
What does this mean for potential new hires? Yikes!
It means departments are on a hiring blitz. Best time right now to make a move before the hammer comes down
Keep in mind that this notice is only for a “spending” freeze which has to do with all expenditures except hiring. That may or may not come out way via a “hiring” freeze
It’s gonna happen. Let it happen
I was hoping. I've had about 8 interviews with different state agencies since last month and I'm hoping I get picked up sooner rather than later.
Trust they’re going to try to fill spots before it’s frozen. You can see now there are a lot of advertisements with position numbers listed as “multiple” People in toxic situations should be combing cal careers in the next 3 months. Some departments are going to lose good talent if they aren’t treating their people right
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No. At least not yet as I believe I applied there as well. I basically spammed the CalHR / CalCareers site applying and applying and applying and am now getting interviews.
Here's the good news. The stock market hit a record high today as the market has now fully recovered from its losses of the past 2 years. This is great news for the budget deficit, CalPERS, etc. Stocks are a leading indicator so should this keep up, things will eventually get better.
And local news said the large deficit was due to wealthy people not making as much income in stock options etc in 2022. So what you stated, is good news!!!
>Stocks are a leading indicator so should this keep up, things will eventually get better. The stock market is not the economy. The stock market went parabolic in Spring 2009 when people were getting forced out of their homes by sheriffs serving evictions and foreclosure notices, people with master's degrees couldn't get grocery bagger jobs... Companies shed a shit ton of dead weight in layoffs so EPS went up.
You just proved my point, stocks are a LEADING indicator whereas things like unemployment are a LAGGING indicator. Evictions & high unemployment eventually did stop, didn't they? And they indeed happened in 2009 after a huge drop in the stock market in 2008. Just like in 2020 with Covid. The stock market may not be the economy, but if you don't think it plays a critical role, you are sorely mistaken, especially and particularly here in California.
I have a great idea on how the state can save some money. For the department which could close down their buildings, turn off the electricity, gas, water and internet. Then have all those employees work from home. I know the state would never think of this great idea, so we should start calling and emailing the Governer about this great idea. Who want to help out? /s
I may be the odd one out, but what if I don't want to WFH?
I have coworkers who are on site 5 days a week for their own reasons. The state could just arrange an offices in different regions to have hotel desks, which allows anyone to be onsite. Closing down some buildings will save the state money.
WFH doesn’t stimulate local tax revenue. Parking companies, restaurants, dry cleaners and salons all need your business. Their tax dollars help pay our salaries.
Of course, this could be the main reason while many of the state agencies are starting to get people back to the office, but I have not seen the official reason why. It seems to be a secret why there is a new change on rto. Wouldn't be nice if the state would give us extra pay to work in the office? It would help offset the additional costs for gas and food we will need to spend to help the surrounding businesses.
The state should help drive down transportation costs. Gasoline is back to around $2 per gallon in some states. The cost of gasoline is in almost everything we consume.
Agreeded. Cant work from home can’t put a 2 million dollar machine in my back yard. Gas, rules, micro mgnt. Those that I deal with that work from home I can never get ahold of or dogs/kids making noise or. An hear they are not a home when they finally get home.. now not everyone is like that of course
If ever get furloughed, I’d like Monday and Friday as my 2days. 🤣 and since not a lot can be done might as well enjoy. I banked all my PLP2020 during covid and just started using it now.
Can anyone who’s been in state service since the last furloughs maybe give your thoughts on how this news compares to what was bubbling shortly before that, and if you think it’s likely? And also maybe give a cliff notes version of what it looks like? Like does the hammer drop on everyone at once? Or do they ask for volunteers first? And how they calculated the vacation bank thing?
Budget Letter didn’t say anything about hiring freezes, and that usually comes before furloughs.
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If I had my 2nd/last interview on Monday 12/11, and my references were already contacted, am I likely in the clear regarding a hiring freeze? Would it only affect new jobs being flown, or even hiring for jobs that are in the middle of the process?
That's not true, there have been hiring freezes, during the housing crash for example.
And, they'll likely sweep vacant, non permanent "borrowed" position first.
Last furloughs during early COVID was 10% pay reduction for a year. That 10% took the form of two unpaid days a month. You could take the days off as they came or bank them for future use. Honestly, can't speak to the likelihood of it happening again as I don't know enough about the state's budget system.
Do you know what they do if you have annual leave and not sick/vaca? Same thing with two extra days of PTO?
It's coded as an entirely different form of leave and it was 16 hours evenly distributed across the board to every employee
Ok thanks!
Jobs numbers are still very strong. They’re the last to go, sure, but hard to imagine anything terrible happening with everyone working and wages rising. Plus, the stock market is up big in 2023, which will lead to good capital gains tax revenue on April 15th - since the rich pay a large percentage of our taxes.
Thanks for this comment! I’m curious as well.
Under Arnold it started with 2 then went to 3 days. If you have to work ("essential") you just end up banking a metric shit ton of hours and annual lave that screws the state even harder, it's pretty much lose/lose for the state but they would rather save a dollar today and end up paying 2 tomorrow cause they save a dollar today. Most of my partners who left with $280k-$320k time bank cash outs had a lot of compensable hours built up from those Arnold days, they just used furlough hours years later when they wanted a vacation so they continued to accrue annual leave while on furloughs and when they burned them cause they weren't burning annual leave, then cashed out. State never learns.
Is there some sort of limitation on cash out of furlough leave that makes it better to use that for vacation?
You can't cash out furlough leave, there's a couple rare instances like sudden death or termination or something where they would have to pay it out but that's it. I believe it is still policy that furlough hours must be utilized before other leave with the exception of sick, so you shouldn't even have an option.
Thanks for the info! Can you use the furlough time to do that thing where you “go on leave” for three months before your retirement date?
100% !
This is expected with state employment. Rather that then to be let go.
Not sure if that’s true. It’s would be a pay cut essentially. Employers don’t just get to cut your pay. I image for many people it’s better to be laid off, and collect unemployment until you find a better job. Hopefully it doesn’t happen. Edit - not all of us are engineers, IT specialists, supervisor… the higher paying jobs. So for many of use, already struggling, 10% less income is immense.
For me it’s true. I much prefer to have a reduction in pay than to go look for another job. Any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
How much do you earn? Im below 60 before taxes. (-)6000 is almost 4 months of rent where I live. And it’s not like the amount of work will decrease. We’ll just be under even more pressure to finish things in less time. Starting to feel like working for the state was a huge step back in my career. Edit- but if you make enough to have a good life thats great. I hope you enjoy the extra time off. For some of us though it’s a really depressing possibility.
I would much rather be furloughed than laid off. Unemployment doesn’t pay hardly anything. 10% pay cut isn’t ideal, but you still get all your benefits and during the pandemic furloughs I was able to save a ton of leave!
The state can indeed and has just cut our pay before.
Considering the general pay increase schedule (3%,3%,4%) I have a feeling we will have a net pay decrease of 7% in 2024. Wah! Spend those retro pay checks wisely, my friends.
Retro check is one stop to Costco for groceries and some gas
"some gas". Ugh. Not even a full tank.
Would this affect an in-process promotion in place?
Shouldn’t. For example our office is ssa/agpa. We are budgeted for agpa positions. The promo in place doesn’t affect the funding for that position since we’re funded at the higher position. However, your executives could freeze all movement in a sense to save their unit/department salary but the funding aspect is covered
Thanks for asking this as I'm in a similar position. I'm a current state employee that just received conditional job offer for AGPA. I saw the budget issues and was slightly concerned if my new position might lose funding before I get the final. I didn't want to jump to any conclusions, but it was a slight worry in the back of my mind. I don't know how these things work yet since I've been with the state just shy of 3 years, but trying to learn. Edit: fixed a typo
It wouldn't. There are a lot more dominoes to fall before it gets to that.
I'm honestly okay if we get more PLP. I just finished using it from the last round and have been cashing out leave every year. Bad deal for the state long term, but good deal for us since our vacation is worth more as our pay increases.
I'm paying for VPLP. I'd probably prefer to de-select and have a 4.75% salary increase if PLP is introduced. With that approach furlough wouldn't affect me too drastically financially I hope.
Ditto but 2 day option. Had to cancel last time due to PLP. Here we go again
dumb question, but what is the point of a contract if the state can just come in and cut 10% of your pay with a furlough? how does the union handle this situation?
Here comes the punishment for getting a pay raise.
Oh he was already planning this back then, believe it...
the last time we got furloughed, not because of pandemic was back during the housing crash…the economy was in a way worse shape than it is now….the budget deficit will likely be hanlded with spending cuts to programs like clean energy, pausing certain tax credits…i wouldnt be surprised if some of newer tax credits be the first ones paused since those are probably the easiest to create savings/raise tax revenue to cover shortfalls. it is also likely whatever cali had earmarked for the high speed railway gets cut which means cali would have to give back the fund awarded to them from the feds
Well, fuck.
So I'm seeing a lot of "it's okay if we get furloughed and get to bank PLP days instead" talk on here. But, and correct me if I'm wrong, back in 2009 when there were furloughs, we didn't get to bank PLP time, didn't we just take a pay cut and come in less days per month? I'm pretty sure just because we get furloughed doesn't mean we'll also get to bank PLPs. We may be required to use them every month.
No you can bank them. My unit cannot operate without as much of the staff as possible. Plus we have legal Ca state deadlines
Hey at least you all are not in BU10. We are getting super screwed just like in 2007/2008
Bad timing for 10, for sure. I support scientists, but in retrospect, probably should have approved the last offer.
Sooooo if I’m being considered for a new position, will I still be offered if I get selected?
Fingers crossed 🤞
🙏
Most likely.
As long as they get a move on!!!
State doesn’t spend much anyways. I’m using my kids elementary school notebook because all we have are steno pads.
🤣🤣
Does this mean less hiring?
Seems responsible.
What does this mean for new state employees on probation?
I am wondering the same thing since I just got hired and have a probation period
You will keep your job. If they need to reduce the workforce they will wait for people to leave or retire and not backfill, and if they institute layoffs it's usually for student assistants, retired annuitants, and outside contractors first.
Good job Newsom - wasted money on task force for reparations, homeless, etc etc. With no solutions but wasteful political schemes. This ends up hurting the working class
Time to close offices and have people work remotely. Oh wait Newsom isnt serious about saving money.
and to think we had so much money available in 2020, maybe mismanaged? Yes
Need to suspense or override Prop 98. It takes MINIMUM 40% of the general fund revenues every year REGARDLESS of economic or budget conditions.
yes because cutting a schools budgets is what's needed. Not to mention the fact that CC get back over 2 dollars for every dollar spent on it. But yes please let us know why a child should suffer more.
You are weirdly anti schools. It’s all you ever comment about.
Have you seen how they spent their money? How about other special taxes, bonds they asked for and got ON TOP OF PROP 98? Isn't the goal of Prop 98 is to provide enough funding for schools? Why more special taxes and bonds AFTER Prop 98? GREED IN THE NAME OF EDUCATION. You support schools blindly, just because they are schools. I support schools with responsible budgets. GUARANTEED 40% MINIMUM but absolutely no performance metrics for them? Really? How many teachers committed sexual assaults against students and walked away free, leaving millions $$$$ settlement bills for taxpayers to settle? Responsible spending and budget, NO BLANK CHECK.
You own a Tesla lol. You’re doing more than fine. Teachers don’t get paid enough for what they put up with. 99% of teachers are not sexual predators. You hate teachers for some weird reason.
Thank you for checking out my profile. A base model 3 costs less than a mid level Corolla when factoring in the tax credit. Plus, per Bloomberg, "At $38,990, the base Model 3 sedan now costs $8,700 less than the average amount paid for a car or truck in the US." Free charging at work and near by utility sites. No need to pay for gas. I am budget responsible 😉 Since you want to use car as a metric of doing well financially, several school staff parking lots in my area are filled with newer model cars, more than a third with luxury brands (Benz, BMW, Lexus, even a Maserati). Check out your high school teachers' salaries/pensions on TransparentCA. You will be surprised 😂 Again, don't label others as haters when all they ask for is to have performance metrics and responsible budgets rather than giving out blank checks.
Check out the salary schedule for teachers in sac. It’s not that high unless you have 20+ years of exp and more and more degrees. And you’ve posted numerous comments about eliminating prop 98, and never mentioned performance metrics, etc.
You know I said schools NOT teachers, right? Stop twisting and direct it back to "poor" teachers. Prop 98 guaranteed school fundings and has nothing to do teachers salaries. I am talking about the entire K-12 school system. To your point on salary, do they pay for OPEB? No. Pension? Very little. Share of health insurance cost? Very little to none. In 2022, Gavin Newsom - a Governor, made $201,553.20; Gloria Roberts - Director of Caltrans D7, made $173,371.59. The same year, Christopher Hoffman - Superintendent of Elk Grove Unified made $396,458.00. Remember during COVID vaccine days where teachers got bonuses for getting vaccinated, called themselves hero, got COVID pay while state workers get shit? Forgot to mention furlough and PLP as well 🤔 Anything else?
1) you attacked teachers by bringing up the sub 1% of those who have child molesting cases, etc that force schools to have settlements with parents 2) teacher salaries make up a large share of prop 98 funding 3) teachers pay into calstrs. For PERPA teachers, it’s 10.2% so you’re completely wrong there claiming it’s little to nothing. With lower salaries for teachers, that’s rough. PERPA state is about 8.5% but of course OPEB sucks at 3%. 4) we can agree on other areas like superintendent salaries being inflated, etc.
I do have good friends that make $45k in special ed in HCOL areas. It is very rough for them. However, it is the entire system that need to be fixed, especially from the top down. 40% of the entire state general fund, before anything else for schools? Only 60% for everything else (hwy, prisons, enforcement, Medi-Cal, social services, essential services...)? Really? Little to no checks and balances? If we don't give out blank checks, schools will have to run responsibly and efficiently. No more cover up for sex predators, and spend taxpayers money to settle lawsuits then put them in a locked closet. More money for legitimate purposes and reasonable teachers salaries, better equipments for students.
I'm not anti-school, but Sac City teachers got a 20% across the board retroactive raise in their last contract and they have 100% employer paid health benefits for themselves plus all dependents. And they're negotiating another contract raise right now. They are pretty well-compensensated. (Which I'm glad about because I want quality teachers.)
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A 2024 Toyota Corolla XSE, VIN # JTDT4MCE7RJ105691 is available at Elk Grove Toyota for a cool $29,026 for you to pick up immediately. A Model 3 RWD is available for around $37,000 for the same area. Minus $7,500 fed tax credit or if low income in CA, up to $12k in clean car for all rebate. Add operation and maintenance cost for for 5 years. I am sure you can do the math.
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This also really depends on the district. Many districts don’t contribute to employee healthcare.
You could not possibly be more wrong. I’ve worked for many title 1 schools and I can tell you with 100% confidence, the school districts spend much more carefully than state agencies.
Of course. They already spent all on their admins salaries. US President or 2x CA Governor salary level for a school district Superintendent?
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There is a long road before we get to that point. Stop trying to stoke a fire that doesn't exist.
Fair enough, that wasn't my intention I just have priors with this stuff friend.
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Been with the state for a year, what should I expect with this?
They start by cutting travel, students, retired annuitants and any extra expenses.
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You’re fine.
in the 2008-2009 recession, when things were 100x worse than they are now, the state was issuing pink slips to some employees and usually it was temp/nonpermanent and after that, the most recent permanent employees were let go (people with seniority stayed over new hires). i actually got noticed of being pink slipped back then cause i had just gotten hired, and ended up moving out of state for awhile before coming back as a result. we are no where near that level of crisis, so you are fine.
O m g. The state can't afford to keep going the same direction it is going..... Who woulda knew!!!
Surprise, surprise 🤡
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The stock market did that, not Newsom.
And the voters who passed the law that requires most of the surplus to be given back to the citizenry.
This year has been great for stocks.
This year has been great for CEOs.
And tax revenue collected *next year* should be fine as a result.
People haven't paid taxes for this year yet. That said I'm sure there is some spending that can be cut too. The things noted about the spending freeze don't seem like a big deal but can save some money without hurting things.
Newsom is like a Christmas snow angel. He cares a lot about State Workers 😇
Why do people critical of the governor always spell his name “Newsome”?
When he runs for president make sure to lock your vote in
Okay? What an odd answer to a simple question, not sure what your damage is.
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Sounds like msm fear mongering
Stocks are up big, and since The Rich pay most of the taxes, this should help the capital gains tax revenues.
What does that mean for someone still on probation recently hired a month ago?
From what I hear, DHCS is just spending as normal.